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00:00:30,109\n好謝謝趙偉有請次長好有請王次長委員好好次長好次長先跟你請教一個比較輕鬆的一個問題你知道最近是哪一位升職人星我們稱她為女神這樣的宗教文化人物生日\n\n2\n00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:50,107\n媽祖不好意思想說女神很多OK媽祖不好意思媽祖媽祖就是媽祖神本人我剛剛一直在想是人被叫成女神很多耶\n\n3\n00:00:51,044 --> 00:01:10,923\n我有講說是宗教文化無誤的聲音那我想升職明星的媽祖啊大甲媽鬧進剛圓滿落幕那白沙屯媽祖也即將啟程喔這是全台灣規模最大的參與度最高的一個民間信仰的一個活動之一那雖然媽祖的文化呢脈絡源自於福建\n\n4\n00:01:11,624 --> 00:01:33,721\n但它在台灣深耕數百年早已經內化成台灣人共同的一個信仰跟生活的文化這提醒我們文化的本質不是在於它的起源地而是在於人們如何在生活中實踐跟傳承那文化更不是冷冰冰的一個分類也不該只是一個標籤跟定義而是人們的情感連結的一個載體\n\n5\n00:01:35,302 --> 00:01:55,527\n是日常生活中的一個自然流動的一個記憶從潔淨的儀式廟口的市集到家族的傳統這些都是台灣文化一個很重要的一環但是呢也有部分的創作者跟民間團體跟我們反映現行的文化補助制度在評選跟推動上似乎還是有過度的集中在價值的偏好\n\n6\n00:01:56,387 --> 00:02:09,235\n讓部分的一個地方生活緊鑼密鼓但是不具話語能鑒度的一個文化實踐難以被看見或者是被支持那市長我曾經遇到一個\n\n7\n00:02:11,736 --> 00:02:39,381\n他是歌仔戲的一個表演者他一直不斷的在抱怨說並沒有獲得支持其實我是很納悶啦因為我有看到文化部有在支持這個歌仔戲相關的一些演出那當然他所提到的是對那個是大型的歌仔戲的一個劇團他們有被支持他們這種小型的劇團是沒有機會能夠發展的甚至是拿不到補助甚至是不被關愛的\n\n8\n00:02:40,481 --> 00:03:04,270\n我也曾經想要幫這個書法甚至是我們現階段看到的這個布袋戲能夠來幫他們發聲但是想請問次長文化部在推動政策跟資源分配的時候是否有進一步的機制來確保整個多元的內容讓整個各種背景類型風格相關的文化表現都有機會被公平的對待\n\n9\n00:03:05,165 --> 00:03:31,574\n那個跟委員做報告我在想委員說的狀況會不會是地方政府補助的問題因為是這樣我們在這些團體裡面當然會有分演出的場次這個團的成熟度大小等等但是我們每年其實還是會有很多是直接到地方政府由地方政府在補助那在做地方團體的尤其是地方傑出演出團體那在我們文化部主導的這些計畫裡面可能\n\n10\n00:03:33,174 --> 00:03:58,230\n委員才會有委員剛剛說的這個感受那其實如果是跟地方政府有比較好的連帶的話按理來說這些即使是中小型的也都會有對應的文化做對應的計畫做支持才對我想就算是地方政府目前這樣子的一個問題那作為文化部主管機關有沒有相關的機制去確保各個各縣市政府在於評選的時候能夠給予更多的這個\n\n11\n00:04:00,591 --> 00:04:21,580\n評鑑上一個建議或者是這樣的機制去建議各機關我現在講的這件事情是保護文化的傳承不分中央跟地方大家一起來努力可是我剛剛講到的就是評鑑的機制是不是不要有過度的集中或者是這些能鑑度不一定有話語權的部分上能夠被看到\n\n12\n00:04:21,940 --> 00:04:50,587\n大概兩個部分第一個就是委員如果特別提到的是像這個歌仔系、布袋系的部分在傳譯中心它基本上有對應的計畫可以做特定的支持就是說即使它是所謂比較小型的研究團體那第二類就是委員提到這個比較普遍性的就是對於地方政府的提醒就是他們對於這一類的多元性的選擇盡量避免重複這個部分我想我們會透過業務的往來跟每年這個固定的這個地方跟地方的文化會議裡面來不斷的提醒大家在做這些\n\n13\n00:04:52,257 --> 00:05:16,693\n團體的補助的時候要有更專業的標準然後更普及的這個更開放性的觀點啦這個部分是我們可以做到的好市長剛剛您說是業務的往來會做提醒喔我是希望說還是盤點過去一下啦那這些各縣市政府是不是有這樣子的一個狀況甚至是文化部有沒有這樣的狀況我們北京地方政府我們比較難進行盤點就是了可能要對對對但是我要講的是說機制上是不是能夠不管是中央地方大家一起來檢視啊\n\n14\n00:05:17,814 --> 00:05:35,801\n那當然你先做好文化部內部嘛好不好那當然地方上我想地方的議員也很關心但是有機會文化部有這樣子的一個提醒我覺得有效於這個所謂我剛剛說的公平對待這個部分要特別拜託那第二個要跟你探討的一個問題是文化部在政策上有一個這個文化幣\n\n15\n00:05:37,242 --> 00:05:50,284\n112年開始推動今年更進一步擴大到13到15歲的一個青年總使用的金額已經超過6.6億元看起來的成效是非常可觀實際上我們還是有看到一些問題您目前有掌握嗎\n\n16\n00:05:51,773 --> 00:06:16,216\n如果委員指的是在這個文化幣的就是不合法的使用或者販售上有這個我們一直都在解決這個問題我想文化幣的初衷是希望讓年輕世代能夠接觸到多元的一個藝文活動培養文化的一個相關素養消費習慣然而實際上在文化幣的使用通路上卻明顯集中在大城市大型通路\n\n17\n00:06:16,756 --> 00:06:38,992\n例如連鎖的這個書局電影院影城的平台真正基層的一個劇團小書店在地的藝文空間反而看得到卻用不到不會我們獨立書店的數字是非常漂亮的那為什麼會這樣說本席就有接到民眾陳情的反應今年文化幣適用的範圍改變了在文創的工藝店部分\n\n18\n00:06:40,494 --> 00:07:02,052\n在非文化場域的消費點僅限創作體驗的一個活動使用那其他的就是限定在文化場域內才能夠使用那我想之前有文化幣之亂現在限縮起來難免會有一些民怨因為導致很多地方藝文的店家沒辦法參與學生也反映實際的使用啊\n\n19\n00:07:02,412 --> 00:07:18,090\n有一點不太方便那當然我知道是因為可能會有一些前面的文化幣之亂我們會去做一些調整但是請問次長在這個兼顧使用的秩序我看得出來你們願意去下一點力道但是能不能多一點彈性這個部分呢\n\n20\n00:07:18,430 --> 00:07:43,411\n我想這部分我們還是會盡量用溝通的方式來解決因為文化幣的目的畢竟是為了文化的體驗為了提升這個青年們對於文化的這個使用的機會消費的習慣等等那所以對於文化以外的事項我們的確會做限縮那但是剛剛委員提到了譬如說它是針對文化體驗的內容或者是在獨立書店裡面或者在小型的書店裡面這些會小型的譯文的\n\n21\n00:07:44,512 --> 00:08:01,549\n這些中心設施裡面這都是我們樂於見到的事情這些我們反而是會非常的鼓勵那至於限制性的使用應該都是針對它的違規使用或者它的消費的項目並不是文化項目當然那如果消費項目並不是文化項目的話我們也是希望是真的一定要制止是\n\n22\n00:08:01,929 --> 00:08:17,410\n那我另外想跟您請問文化部有沒有統計過整個文化幣使用的金額佔雙北的佔比有多少在偏鄉非都會區的使用率又是多少這個部分你們有沒有去瞭解過委員說明它有兩種方式一種是就它\n\n23\n00:08:18,371 --> 00:08:45,389\n消費的場所點進行統計一種是針對它所在的戶籍去進行統計那這兩種其實我們的看到的結果就是說它的消費動能就是每個不管它是在偏鄉或者是在都市地區它的消費的動能跟機會是類似的那但是委員說它比較大型的消費比較多的消費集中在都市地區這一點是的確是的因為畢竟在都市的文化消費點的機會多\n\n24\n00:08:48,992 --> 00:09:16,394\n其他的這個非都地區的人往來進行文化消費還是我們可以鼓勵的所以你要鼓勵嘛你也看到我剛剛所提的的確在都會區可能方便可能比較多這個點來使用這個文化幣但是我希望說我們目前有看到這個整個資源明顯有失衡的一個情況的時候要不要進行檢討那甚至是不是有機會可以比照所謂的社福券農遊券的一個方式來做\n\n25\n00:09:17,515 --> 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很多耶\n51044\t70923\t我有講說是宗教文化無誤的聲音那我想升職明星的媽祖啊大甲媽鬧進剛圓滿落幕那白沙屯媽祖也即將啟程喔這是全台灣規模最大的參與度最高的一個民間信仰的一個活動之一那雖然媽祖的文化呢脈絡源自於福建\n71624\t93721\t但它在台灣深耕數百年早已經內化成台灣人共同的一個信仰跟生活的文化這提醒我們文化的本質不是在於它的起源地而是在於人們如何在生活中實踐跟傳承那文化更不是冷冰冰的一個分類也不該只是一個標籤跟定義而是人們的情感連結的一個載體\n95302\t115527\t是日常生活中的一個自然流動的一個記憶從潔淨的儀式廟口的市集到家族的傳統這些都是台灣文化一個很重要的一環但是呢也有部分的創作者跟民間團體跟我們反映現行的文化補助制度在評選跟推動上似乎還是有過度的集中在價值的偏好\n116387\t129235\t讓部分的一個地方生活緊鑼密鼓但是不具話語能鑒度的一個文化實踐難以被看見或者是被支持那市長我曾經遇到一個\n131736\t159381\t他是歌仔戲的一個表演者他一直不斷的在抱怨說並沒有獲得支持其實我是很納悶啦因為我有看到文化部有在支持這個歌仔戲相關的一些演出那當然他所提到的是對 那個是大型的歌仔戲的一個劇團他們有被支持他們這種小型的劇團是沒有機會能夠發展的甚至是拿不到補助 甚至是不被關愛的\n160481\t184270\t我也曾經想要幫這個書法甚至是我們現階段看到的這個布袋戲能夠來幫他們發聲但是想請問次長文化部在推動政策跟資源分配的時候是否有進一步的機制來確保整個多元的內容讓整個各種背景類型風格相關的文化表現都有機會被公平的對待\n185165\t211574\t那個跟委員做報告我在想委員說的狀況會不會是地方政府補助的問題因為是這樣我們在這些團體裡面當然會有分演出的場次這個團的成熟度大小等等但是我們每年其實還是會有很多是直接到地方政府由地方政府在補助那在做地方團體的尤其是地方傑出演出團體那在我們文化部主導的這些計畫裡面可能\n213174\t238230\t委員才會有委員剛剛說的這個感受那其實如果是跟地方政府有比較好的連帶的話按理來說這些即使是中小型的也都會有對應的文化做對應的計畫做支持才對我想就算是地方政府目前這樣子的一個問題那作為文化部主管機關有沒有相關的機制去確保各個各縣市政府在於評選的時候能夠給予更多的這個\n240591\t261580\t評鑑上一個建議或者是這樣的機制去建議各機關我現在講的這件事情是保護文化的傳承不分中央跟地方大家一起來努力可是我剛剛講到的就是評鑑的機制是不是不要有過度的集中或者是這些能鑑度不一定有話語權的部分上能夠被看到\n261940\t290587\t大概兩個部分第一個就是委員如果特別提到的是像這個歌仔系、布袋系的部分在傳譯中心它基本上有對應的計畫可以做特定的支持就是說即使它是所謂比較小型的研究團體那第二類就是委員提到這個比較普遍性的就是對於地方政府的提醒就是他們對於這一類的多元性的選擇盡量避免重複這個部分我想我們會透過業務的往來跟每年這個固定的這個地方跟地方的文化會議裡面來不斷的提醒大家在做這些\n292257\t316693\t團體的補助的時候要有更專業的標準然後更普及的這個更開放性的觀點啦這個部分是我們可以做到的好 市長剛剛您說是業務的往來會做提醒喔我是希望說還是盤點過去一下啦那這些各縣市政府是不是有這樣子的一個狀況甚至是文化部有沒有這樣的狀況我們北京地方政府我們比較難進行盤點就是了可能要 對對對但是我要講的是說機制上是不是能夠不管是中央地方大家一起來檢視啊\n317814\t335801\t那當然你先做好文化部內部嘛好不好那當然地方上我想地方的議員也很關心但是有機會文化部有這樣子的一個提醒我覺得有效於這個所謂我剛剛說的公平對待這個部分要特別拜託那第二個要跟你探討的一個問題是文化部在政策上有一個這個文化幣\n337242\t350284\t112年開始推動今年更進一步擴大到13到15歲的一個青年總使用的金額已經超過6.6億元看起來的成效是非常可觀實際上我們還是有看到一些問題您目前有掌握嗎\n351773\t376216\t如果委員指的是在這個文化幣的就是不合法的使用或者販售上有這個我們一直都在解決這個問題我想文化幣的初衷是希望讓年輕世代能夠接觸到多元的一個藝文活動培養文化的一個相關素養消費習慣然而實際上在文化幣的使用通路上卻明顯集中在大城市大型通路\n376756\t398992\t例如連鎖的這個書局電影院影城的平台真正基層的一個劇團小書店在地的藝文空間反而看得到卻用不到不會我們獨立書店的數字是非常漂亮的那為什麼會這樣說本席就有接到民眾陳情的反應今年文化幣適用的範圍改變了在文創的工藝店部分\n400494\t422052\t在非文化場域的消費點僅限創作體驗的一個活動使用那其他的就是限定在文化場域內才能夠使用那我想之前有文化幣之亂現在限縮起來難免會有一些民怨因為導致很多地方藝文的店家沒辦法參與學生也反映實際的使用啊\n422412\t438090\t有一點不太方便那當然我知道是因為可能會有一些前面的文化幣之亂我們會去做一些調整但是請問次長在這個兼顧使用的秩序我看得出來你們願意去下一點力道但是能不能多一點彈性這個部分呢\n438430\t463411\t我想這部分我們還是會盡量用溝通的方式來解決因為文化幣的目的畢竟是為了文化的體驗為了提升這個青年們對於文化的這個使用的機會消費的習慣等等那所以對於文化以外的事項我們的確會做限縮那但是剛剛委員提到了譬如說它是針對文化體驗的內容或者是在獨立書店裡面或者在小型的書店裡面這些會小型的譯文的\n464512\t481549\t這些中心設施裡面這都是我們樂於見到的事情這些我們反而是會非常的鼓勵那至於限制性的使用應該都是針對它的違規使用或者它的消費的項目並不是文化項目當然那如果消費項目並不是文化項目的話我們也是希望是真的一定要制止是\n481929\t497410\t那我另外想跟您請問文化部有沒有統計過整個文化幣使用的金額佔雙北的佔比有多少在偏鄉非都會區的使用率又是多少這個部分你們有沒有去瞭解過委員說明它有兩種方式一種是就它\n498371\t525389\t消費的場所點進行統計一種是針對它所在的戶籍去進行統計那這兩種其實我們的看到的結果就是說它的消費動能就是每個不管它是在偏鄉或者是在都市地區它的消費的動能跟機會是類似的那但是委員說它比較大型的消費比較多的消費集中在都市地區這一點是的確是的因為畢竟在都市的文化消費點的機會多\n528992\t556394\t其他的這個非都地區的人往來進行文化消費還是我們可以鼓勵的所以你要鼓勵嘛你也看到我剛剛所提的的確在都會區可能方便可能比較多這個點來使用這個文化幣但是我希望說我們目前有看到這個整個資源明顯有失衡的一個情況的時候要不要進行檢討那甚至是不是有機會可以比照所謂的社福券農遊券的一個方式來做\n557515\t580251\t那如果文化幣最後只是在大城市來做大量的消費偏鄉拿到了卻沒有地方用那這樣的政策看似補給一番而卻擴大了文化的落差文化的一個平權我想這個絕對不是只是數字而已文化幣的一個政策必須真正落實在空間的分配公平的接觸還有弱勢的參與這個部分我希望市長應該要正視這個問題啦我覺得我並不是說要刁難\n585214\t602353\t我瞭解我們正希望倒過來就因為這樣所以在所謂的偏鄉有更多的店家或小型的藝文場所或者像我們現在選擇像文化百大基地去提供這些文化體驗他其實才會倒過來鼓勵偏鄉有更多文化體驗的機會這是我們文化幣的推動的目標\n603629\t631758\t好 那我想文化幣這些事情因為本席非常的關注那也接到許多的網友的在提醒各式各樣的一個狀況我們都希望會診之後跟部會來做一個溝通目的都是希望整個文化幣在落實整個政策上能夠更加的公平公正並且能夠幫助到真正幫助的文化團體或者是店家我們一起來努力 好嗎我們很樂意這個剛剛我所提到的還是要有適度的一個檢討 好不好好的 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝趙偉 有請次長好 有請王次長委員好好 次長好 次長先跟你請教一個比較輕鬆的一個問題你知道最近是哪一位升職人星我們稱她為女神這樣的宗教文化人物生日\n媽祖 不好意思 想說女神很多OK 媽祖 不好意思 媽祖媽祖 就是媽祖神本人 我剛剛一直在想是人被叫成女神 很多耶\n我有講說是宗教文化無誤的聲音那我想升職明星的媽祖啊大甲媽鬧進剛圓滿落幕那白沙屯媽祖也即將啟程喔這是全台灣規模最大的參與度最高的一個民間信仰的一個活動之一那雖然媽祖的文化呢脈絡源自於福建\n但它在台灣深耕數百年早已經內化成台灣人共同的一個信仰跟生活的文化這提醒我們文化的本質不是在於它的起源地而是在於人們如何在生活中實踐跟傳承那文化更不是冷冰冰的一個分類也不該只是一個標籤跟定義而是人們的情感連結的一個載體\n是日常生活中的一個自然流動的一個記憶從潔淨的儀式廟口的市集到家族的傳統這些都是台灣文化一個很重要的一環但是呢也有部分的創作者跟民間團體跟我們反映現行的文化補助制度在評選跟推動上似乎還是有過度的集中在價值的偏好\n讓部分的一個地方生活緊鑼密鼓但是不具話語能鑒度的一個文化實踐難以被看見或者是被支持那市長我曾經遇到一個\n他是歌仔戲的一個表演者他一直不斷的在抱怨說並沒有獲得支持其實我是很納悶啦因為我有看到文化部有在支持這個歌仔戲相關的一些演出那當然他所提到的是對 那個是大型的歌仔戲的一個劇團他們有被支持他們這種小型的劇團是沒有機會能夠發展的甚至是拿不到補助 甚至是不被關愛的\n我也曾經想要幫這個書法甚至是我們現階段看到的這個布袋戲能夠來幫他們發聲但是想請問次長文化部在推動政策跟資源分配的時候是否有進一步的機制來確保整個多元的內容讓整個各種背景類型風格相關的文化表現都有機會被公平的對待\n那個跟委員做報告我在想委員說的狀況會不會是地方政府補助的問題因為是這樣我們在這些團體裡面當然會有分演出的場次這個團的成熟度大小等等但是我們每年其實還是會有很多是直接到地方政府由地方政府在補助那在做地方團體的尤其是地方傑出演出團體那在我們文化部主導的這些計畫裡面可能\n委員才會有委員剛剛說的這個感受那其實如果是跟地方政府有比較好的連帶的話按理來說這些即使是中小型的也都會有對應的文化做對應的計畫做支持才對我想就算是地方政府目前這樣子的一個問題那作為文化部主管機關有沒有相關的機制去確保各個各縣市政府在於評選的時候能夠給予更多的這個\n評鑑上一個建議或者是這樣的機制去建議各機關我現在講的這件事情是保護文化的傳承不分中央跟地方大家一起來努力可是我剛剛講到的就是評鑑的機制是不是不要有過度的集中或者是這些能鑑度不一定有話語權的部分上能夠被看到\n大概兩個部分第一個就是委員如果特別提到的是像這個歌仔系、布袋系的部分在傳譯中心它基本上有對應的計畫可以做特定的支持就是說即使它是所謂比較小型的研究團體那第二類就是委員提到這個比較普遍性的就是對於地方政府的提醒就是他們對於這一類的多元性的選擇盡量避免重複這個部分我想我們會透過業務的往來跟每年這個固定的這個地方跟地方的文化會議裡面來不斷的提醒大家在做這些\n團體的補助的時候要有更專業的標準然後更普及的這個更開放性的觀點啦這個部分是我們可以做到的好 市長剛剛您說是業務的往來會做提醒喔我是希望說還是盤點過去一下啦那這些各縣市政府是不是有這樣子的一個狀況甚至是文化部有沒有這樣的狀況我們北京地方政府我們比較難進行盤點就是了可能要 對對對但是我要講的是說機制上是不是能夠不管是中央地方大家一起來檢視啊\n那當然你先做好文化部內部嘛好不好那當然地方上我想地方的議員也很關心但是有機會文化部有這樣子的一個提醒我覺得有效於這個所謂我剛剛說的公平對待這個部分要特別拜託那第二個要跟你探討的一個問題是文化部在政策上有一個這個文化幣\n112年開始推動今年更進一步擴大到13到15歲的一個青年總使用的金額已經超過6.6億元看起來的成效是非常可觀實際上我們還是有看到一些問題您目前有掌握嗎\n如果委員指的是在這個文化幣的就是不合法的使用或者販售上有這個我們一直都在解決這個問題我想文化幣的初衷是希望讓年輕世代能夠接觸到多元的一個藝文活動培養文化的一個相關素養消費習慣然而實際上在文化幣的使用通路上卻明顯集中在大城市大型通路\n例如連鎖的這個書局電影院影城的平台真正基層的一個劇團小書店在地的藝文空間反而看得到卻用不到不會我們獨立書店的數字是非常漂亮的那為什麼會這樣說本席就有接到民眾陳情的反應今年文化幣適用的範圍改變了在文創的工藝店部分\n在非文化場域的消費點僅限創作體驗的一個活動使用那其他的就是限定在文化場域內才能夠使用那我想之前有文化幣之亂現在限縮起來難免會有一些民怨因為導致很多地方藝文的店家沒辦法參與學生也反映實際的使用啊\n有一點不太方便那當然我知道是因為可能會有一些前面的文化幣之亂我們會去做一些調整但是請問次長在這個兼顧使用的秩序我看得出來你們願意去下一點力道但是能不能多一點彈性這個部分呢\n我想這部分我們還是會盡量用溝通的方式來解決因為文化幣的目的畢竟是為了文化的體驗為了提升這個青年們對於文化的這個使用的機會消費的習慣等等那所以對於文化以外的事項我們的確會做限縮那但是剛剛委員提到了譬如說它是針對文化體驗的內容或者是在獨立書店裡面或者在小型的書店裡面這些會小型的譯文的\n這些中心設施裡面這都是我們樂於見到的事情這些我們反而是會非常的鼓勵那至於限制性的使用應該都是針對它的違規使用或者它的消費的項目並不是文化項目當然那如果消費項目並不是文化項目的話我們也是希望是真的一定要制止是\n那我另外想跟您請問文化部有沒有統計過整個文化幣使用的金額佔雙北的佔比有多少在偏鄉非都會區的使用率又是多少這個部分你們有沒有去瞭解過委員說明它有兩種方式一種是就它\n消費的場所點進行統計一種是針對它所在的戶籍去進行統計那這兩種其實我們的看到的結果就是說它的消費動能就是每個不管它是在偏鄉或者是在都市地區它的消費的動能跟機會是類似的那但是委員說它比較大型的消費比較多的消費集中在都市地區這一點是的確是的因為畢竟在都市的文化消費點的機會多\n其他的這個非都地區的人往來進行文化消費還是我們可以鼓勵的所以你要鼓勵嘛你也看到我剛剛所提的的確在都會區可能方便可能比較多這個點來使用這個文化幣但是我希望說我們目前有看到這個整個資源明顯有失衡的一個情況的時候要不要進行檢討那甚至是不是有機會可以比照所謂的社福券農遊券的一個方式來做\n那如果文化幣最後只是在大城市來做大量的消費偏鄉拿到了卻沒有地方用那這樣的政策看似補給一番而卻擴大了文化的落差文化的一個平權我想這個絕對不是只是數字而已文化幣的一個政策必須真正落實在空間的分配公平的接觸還有弱勢的參與這個部分我希望市長應該要正視這個問題啦我覺得我並不是說要刁難\n我瞭解我們正希望倒過來就因為這樣所以在所謂的偏鄉有更多的店家或小型的藝文場所或者像我們現在選擇像文化百大基地去提供這些文化體驗他其實才會倒過來鼓勵偏鄉有更多文化體驗的機會這是我們文化幣的推動的目標\n好 那我想文化幣這些事情因為本席非常的關注那也接到許多的網友的在提醒各式各樣的一個狀況我們都希望會診之後跟部會來做一個溝通目的都是希望整個文化幣在落實整個政策上能夠更加的公平公正並且能夠幫助到真正幫助的文化團體或者是店家我們一起來努力 好嗎我們很樂意這個剛剛我所提到的還是要有適度的一個檢討 好不好好的 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.729 --> 00:30.109\n好謝謝趙偉有請次長好有請王次長委員好好次長好次長先跟你請教一個比較輕鬆的一個問題你知道最近是哪一位升職人星我們稱她為女神這樣的宗教文化人物生日\n\n00:35.910 --> 00:50.107\n媽祖不好意思想說女神很多OK媽祖不好意思媽祖媽祖就是媽祖神本人我剛剛一直在想是人被叫成女神很多耶\n\n00:51.044 --> 01:10.923\n我有講說是宗教文化無誤的聲音那我想升職明星的媽祖啊大甲媽鬧進剛圓滿落幕那白沙屯媽祖也即將啟程喔這是全台灣規模最大的參與度最高的一個民間信仰的一個活動之一那雖然媽祖的文化呢脈絡源自於福建\n\n01:11.624 --> 01:33.721\n但它在台灣深耕數百年早已經內化成台灣人共同的一個信仰跟生活的文化這提醒我們文化的本質不是在於它的起源地而是在於人們如何在生活中實踐跟傳承那文化更不是冷冰冰的一個分類也不該只是一個標籤跟定義而是人們的情感連結的一個載體\n\n01:35.302 --> 01:55.527\n是日常生活中的一個自然流動的一個記憶從潔淨的儀式廟口的市集到家族的傳統這些都是台灣文化一個很重要的一環但是呢也有部分的創作者跟民間團體跟我們反映現行的文化補助制度在評選跟推動上似乎還是有過度的集中在價值的偏好\n\n01:56.387 --> 02:09.235\n讓部分的一個地方生活緊鑼密鼓但是不具話語能鑒度的一個文化實踐難以被看見或者是被支持那市長我曾經遇到一個\n\n02:11.736 --> 02:39.381\n他是歌仔戲的一個表演者他一直不斷的在抱怨說並沒有獲得支持其實我是很納悶啦因為我有看到文化部有在支持這個歌仔戲相關的一些演出那當然他所提到的是對那個是大型的歌仔戲的一個劇團他們有被支持他們這種小型的劇團是沒有機會能夠發展的甚至是拿不到補助甚至是不被關愛的\n\n02:40.481 --> 03:04.270\n我也曾經想要幫這個書法甚至是我們現階段看到的這個布袋戲能夠來幫他們發聲但是想請問次長文化部在推動政策跟資源分配的時候是否有進一步的機制來確保整個多元的內容讓整個各種背景類型風格相關的文化表現都有機會被公平的對待\n\n03:05.165 --> 03:31.574\n那個跟委員做報告我在想委員說的狀況會不會是地方政府補助的問題因為是這樣我們在這些團體裡面當然會有分演出的場次這個團的成熟度大小等等但是我們每年其實還是會有很多是直接到地方政府由地方政府在補助那在做地方團體的尤其是地方傑出演出團體那在我們文化部主導的這些計畫裡面可能\n\n03:33.174 --> 03:58.230\n委員才會有委員剛剛說的這個感受那其實如果是跟地方政府有比較好的連帶的話按理來說這些即使是中小型的也都會有對應的文化做對應的計畫做支持才對我想就算是地方政府目前這樣子的一個問題那作為文化部主管機關有沒有相關的機制去確保各個各縣市政府在於評選的時候能夠給予更多的這個\n\n04:00.591 --> 04:21.580\n評鑑上一個建議或者是這樣的機制去建議各機關我現在講的這件事情是保護文化的傳承不分中央跟地方大家一起來努力可是我剛剛講到的就是評鑑的機制是不是不要有過度的集中或者是這些能鑑度不一定有話語權的部分上能夠被看到\n\n04:21.940 --> 04:50.587\n大概兩個部分第一個就是委員如果特別提到的是像這個歌仔系、布袋系的部分在傳譯中心它基本上有對應的計畫可以做特定的支持就是說即使它是所謂比較小型的研究團體那第二類就是委員提到這個比較普遍性的就是對於地方政府的提醒就是他們對於這一類的多元性的選擇盡量避免重複這個部分我想我們會透過業務的往來跟每年這個固定的這個地方跟地方的文化會議裡面來不斷的提醒大家在做這些\n\n04:52.257 --> 05:16.693\n團體的補助的時候要有更專業的標準然後更普及的這個更開放性的觀點啦這個部分是我們可以做到的好市長剛剛您說是業務的往來會做提醒喔我是希望說還是盤點過去一下啦那這些各縣市政府是不是有這樣子的一個狀況甚至是文化部有沒有這樣的狀況我們北京地方政府我們比較難進行盤點就是了可能要對對對但是我要講的是說機制上是不是能夠不管是中央地方大家一起來檢視啊\n\n05:17.814 --> 05:35.801\n那當然你先做好文化部內部嘛好不好那當然地方上我想地方的議員也很關心但是有機會文化部有這樣子的一個提醒我覺得有效於這個所謂我剛剛說的公平對待這個部分要特別拜託那第二個要跟你探討的一個問題是文化部在政策上有一個這個文化幣\n\n05:37.242 --> 05:50.284\n112年開始推動今年更進一步擴大到13到15歲的一個青年總使用的金額已經超過6.6億元看起來的成效是非常可觀實際上我們還是有看到一些問題您目前有掌握嗎\n\n05:51.773 --> 06:16.216\n如果委員指的是在這個文化幣的就是不合法的使用或者販售上有這個我們一直都在解決這個問題我想文化幣的初衷是希望讓年輕世代能夠接觸到多元的一個藝文活動培養文化的一個相關素養消費習慣然而實際上在文化幣的使用通路上卻明顯集中在大城市大型通路\n\n06:16.756 --> 06:38.992\n例如連鎖的這個書局電影院影城的平台真正基層的一個劇團小書店在地的藝文空間反而看得到卻用不到不會我們獨立書店的數字是非常漂亮的那為什麼會這樣說本席就有接到民眾陳情的反應今年文化幣適用的範圍改變了在文創的工藝店部分\n\n06:40.494 --> 07:02.052\n在非文化場域的消費點僅限創作體驗的一個活動使用那其他的就是限定在文化場域內才能夠使用那我想之前有文化幣之亂現在限縮起來難免會有一些民怨因為導致很多地方藝文的店家沒辦法參與學生也反映實際的使用啊\n\n07:02.412 --> 07:18.090\n有一點不太方便那當然我知道是因為可能會有一些前面的文化幣之亂我們會去做一些調整但是請問次長在這個兼顧使用的秩序我看得出來你們願意去下一點力道但是能不能多一點彈性這個部分呢\n\n07:18.430 --> 07:43.411\n我想這部分我們還是會盡量用溝通的方式來解決因為文化幣的目的畢竟是為了文化的體驗為了提升這個青年們對於文化的這個使用的機會消費的習慣等等那所以對於文化以外的事項我們的確會做限縮那但是剛剛委員提到了譬如說它是針對文化體驗的內容或者是在獨立書店裡面或者在小型的書店裡面這些會小型的譯文的\n\n07:44.512 --> 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