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00:01:55,040\n那我們現在有點迷糊啊就是這到底是哪些到底難不難寫是不是事先準備好了你怎麼看這個解讀這個字樣呢大概有幾件事情跟委員報告第一個就是說今年的預算畢竟在3月份才送出來的確比平常晚很多那另外就是說今年的這個凍結案數量之高也是前所未有在去年我們18案在今年我們有來到了40案我先打斷您一下我解釋一下\n\n6\n00:01:55,640 --> 00:02:17,260\n其實這個跟協商沒有效率有關協商沒有效率是執政黨的黨團造成的同時沒有足夠的溝通也會造成這個刪減的問題不太有效所以您可以繼續這個整體的成果整體的結果當然就是不管是立法院或者行政部門我們大家就是共同來面對跟解決那所以在這一次的解凍報告裡面的書面報告跟過往非常不同\n\n7\n00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:32,810\n他在勾基的項目上跟需要勾基的內容上其實會多很多那包括有很多例外的情況像過去也不會出現委員會跟院會的凍結數有這麼大的落差也不會變成說需要並列也不會說有對不起次長我打斷你你沒有在回答這個問題啊\n\n8\n00:02:35,071 --> 00:02:54,209\n我的意思是說正因為這樣所以我們的解宗報告是陸陸續續完成的但是我們要一起送那所以的確會有我們在47個案件裡面有的可能已經準備好了但是他必須的還沒有準備好奇怪喔所以真的有案件已經準備好不送對不起市長我要問你過去的慣例都是有弄好的就送現在從來沒有發生過1584個案子一次送\n\n9\n00:02:59,474 --> 00:03:04,899\n市長您的意見是什麼那文化部呢過去都是一次送全部議員會的委員會的全部一起送對我們就是一次全部送出因為我們希望也一次全部解決我們也不希望造成立法院困擾所以我們來給你送一個所以你們沒有遇到這個問題你們不需要修改資料嘛對不對我們需要啊那你們如果都已經準備好了\n\n10\n00:03:23,217 --> 00:03:40,215\n因為你在不同的時間點譬如說我上次跟委員的報告是寫在二月底那現在已經待到四月我就必須把我的數字更新到三月底啊一定會有這一類的挑戰我想你說不同的部會沒有辦法處理那沒關係啊我們就以教員為主啦那也希望文化部這裡趕快送件\n\n11\n00:03:40,615 --> 00:03:55,617\n那我们可以来赶快排案那我相信赵伟也不会反对那我们教文也都希望一起来努力很期待委员的支持好那我们再来看一下这个今年的4月1号新北市三重区有发生死亡车祸那疑似疲劳驾驶\n\n12\n00:03:56,118 --> 00:04:12,534\n那事後這個肇事男子被起底說是某電視台劇組的美術組的工作人員那我覺得這是一場不幸事件那過去其實也有劇組的員工因為趕工過勞出車禍撞死人還遭逃被捕的狀況那其實我們有發現近期來看這個影視業\n\n13\n00:04:17,719 --> 00:04:22,462\n可能還是有低薪爆肝的問題劇組預算不足無法再額外請助理低於市價的預算開拍製作公司為了省錢預算挖東牆補西牆降低成本結果卻把各種的結果轉嫁到工作人員身上\n\n14\n00:04:33,829 --> 00:04:47,945\n那令很多人很寒心就是說大家知道過勞卻沒有人敢講那甚至有一個說法說影視圈很小誰敢講誰就被封殺市長據你所知藝文工作者超時過勞的情況在整個藝文界是不是很常見\n\n15\n00:04:48,866 --> 00:05:02,999\n要跟委員報告這一件事情其實我們影視局在之前就已經一再的跟這些影視從業人員在座溝通那包括我們的補助要點也都有特別放進去就是要遵守這些勞動法規要進行現場的這個風險評估也要增加這個負擔的規定等等那但是還是會偶爾會出現這樣非常至少現在工作現況裡到底有沒有藝文工作者超時過勞的情況是不是很常見啊\n\n16\n00:05:15,878 --> 00:05:43,608\n應該說我們在比例上面我沒有辦法這邊斷言但是在劇組的工作狀態的確是一個跟我們一般定時上下班不同的狀態那這個狀態需要特別的勞動法規去支援那現在勞動法規都完備了嗎?你們有照顧到這些權益嗎?在法規上其實已經要求納入了其實在法規上面包括勞基法也納入了八四條支對不起市長我打斷你唸稿好不好我打斷您唸稿因為我們有數字要提供給您啦\n\n17\n00:05:44,868 --> 00:06:03,924\n條文需要確認我們時間有限好不好我覺得市長你不要這樣用念稿的方式我沒有念稿我剛剛是因為八四條之一這件事我需要看一下我沒有念稿我沒有那個稿我們本於事實謝謝早在2019年的時候文化基本法訂定其實裡面就有一條\n\n18\n00:06:04,665 --> 00:06:16,649\n文化與藝術工作者的生存權跟工作權應予以保障但是呢我們其實也看到民間有統計啦就是說每週工作時間高達52小時遠超過正常工作時間的40小時2022年你有剛剛可能有部分提到有這個勞動法規的指引說每日不得超過8小時每週不得超過40小時\n\n19\n00:06:28,012 --> 00:06:51,628\n但從數據上來看我們甚至也看到很多受訪者調查報告都說超時嚴重高達39.4%的受訪者表示每日工時9到12小時那調查結果也顯示甚至公部門喔就可能公部門自己的館啊院啊或各式各樣的單位每日平均工時10小時兼職的人也是9.2小時您剛剛說有在依據這些東西來調整可是現況還是這樣\n\n20\n00:06:58,172 --> 00:07:13,673\n你們有帶頭遵守您剛剛所念的這些行政命令嗎如果你們公部門的藝文工作者都超時那市部門更何況是如此對吧那你們有沒有去了解同時有沒有協助他們去遵守有沒有讓政府部門自己來遵守指引\n\n21\n00:07:14,485 --> 00:07:36,666\n跟委員報告我想委員應該非常理解委員應該一天工作也不止八小時吧那站在我們各自的工作崗位上為了想把工作做好會出現這樣的情況我們希望它不要發生也希望台灣可以進入低工時的時代但現在的確還在努力的過程我很謝謝次長您剛剛脫口而出啦其實您剛剛的話翻譯起來就是吃苦當成吃補啦\n\n22\n00:07:37,907 --> 00:08:03,107\n我們的工作類型不同藝文工作者特別需要保障已經有文化基本法我剛剛已經唸給您聽了我希望這一段話您回去自己細細品味我覺得這樣對藝文工作者真的不公平同時文化部也應該要有責任的去調查藝文工作者的勞動情況其實我們這些數據全部都是外部的組織做的文化部有沒有自己調查的有沒有\n\n23\n00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:15,065\n看來看去就是市長你可不可以直接就講有還是沒有我們一直有掌握這樣的調查有調查我們沒拿到啊我們有掌握大家的調查數據我是說\n\n24\n00:08:18,030 --> 00:08:36,151\n有調查大家的調查數據沒有調查有蒐集大家的調查數據沒有關係我們解決問題文化部如何具體改善藝文工作者超時過勞的狀況可不可以一個月內提供本席書面報告不要是調查別人的調查我們希望文化部自己來調查可以嗎可以我們可以提供書面報告\n\n25\n00:08:37,352 --> 00:08:54,540\n再來雖然我時間已經到了但是因為馬上要開始了這件事情國人會陸續關心起來啦我先講我非常喜歡今天次長您的這個標題樂為世界人我覺得這真的很棒但是呢我們現在有一個世界性的活動大阪萬博台灣館TechWorld文化部是不是缺席啦\n\n26\n00:08:56,088 --> 00:09:09,799\n不好意思我不太確定這一場有沒有邀請這個是台灣的發表會你們沒有發現自己沒有被邀請喔因為可能邀請的不是我啊所以我不太確定對很好請問文化部有出席嗎有沒有任何人出席\n\n27\n00:09:12,776 --> 00:09:28,106\n之後民間機構有出席他有邀請我奇怪囉這個是文化結合科技這是作為我們要做世界人啊為什麼文化部沒有出席啊還是要跟委員說明在孟州裡面的這個參加大阪世博的\n\n28\n00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:51,331\n這個行活動從頭到尾都是經濟部那文化部我們在做的這個文化勢博是我們自己為了響應大阪勢博來做的那所以在這個館本身其實我們文化部也沒有出什麼例我們有出800萬就是給他們去做展演裡面有經濟部國貿署有故宮副院長很多人出席\n\n29\n00:09:52,531 --> 00:10:06,763\n欸你們出錢出力去弄展他們有邀請你們我是替文化部打抱不平啦謝謝委員可能要問一下經濟部為什麼不邀請我因為有邀請我們應該一定會有人出席不管什麼成績都一定會有人代表所以不是你們我本來還替你們擔心說你們是artandculture\n\n30\n00:10:09,045 --> 00:10:29,790\n是不是他用tag你們生氣了顯然不是嘛我們沒有用小心眼啦而且對啊我們有很多科技藝術啊台灣超棒的啊對啊沒錯在此喊話經濟部經濟部不要再露腰文化部了拜託這個我們文化部文化人藝術人都要大家一起努力作為世界人不要在台灣裡面去分來分去沒有我們絕對沒有我們非常熱愛經濟部對\n\n31\n00:10:32,630 --> 00:10:58,059\n最後因為我們現在在弄AI基本法我偷渡一下就是這個AI基本法有公聽會那也謝謝文化部有送相關的這個資訊過來那其實有非常多人其實不分黨派所有人邀來的都有專家提到應該要建立國家層級的AI訓練資料庫我還是要問一下市長雖然部長今天不在但我相信你們立場一致你們支不支持這樣的事情\n\n32\n00:10:58,619 --> 00:11:16,425\n當然而且據我所知數位部已經建立了他正在做AI有料庫訓練的建制規劃那文化部會負責提供一些資料嗎當然我們會全力大量的資料好不好拜託盡可能的提供而且當然我們也講啦就是我們也希望有價值的資料\n\n33\n00:11:17,205 --> 00:11:42,972\n文化部也可以記錄起來我們也希望有一天在AI世界裡面價值的傳遞鏈也還是存在的不然這種吉普利啦或者台灣我們台灣也有吉普利啊大家都做得很棒我們也希望資料要公開但是呢有價值的東西我們也要記錄起來最後這是我自己的呼籲啦文化部有非常多的專案提供出去做了很棒的劇本做了很棒的內容做了很棒的文化很多的指引\n\n34\n00:11:44,284 --> 00:11:56,017\n如果能開放的拜託文化部早一點開始準備Publicmoney,publicknowledge有更多的繁中的資料更多的文化的內容世界的AI更認識台灣我們才能讓台灣人樂為世界人\n\n35\n00:12:00,663 --> 00:12:19,268\n讓AI熱為台灣人好不好這個真的不做不行喔我再次感謝部長當時有幫我們爭取那個YouTube的那個繁中現在大家都看得很開心所以這個次長可不可以呼應一下當然我想我們會盡全力做到讓在世界的文化裡面有台灣的文化基因好謝謝謝謝謝謝趙偉謝謝次長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3956\t29662\t委員好次長好昨天晚間在PTC八卦版上面有一張圖片引起網友的熱議文化部的主計單位有某位職員發信給業務單位要求大家再次瀏覽解凍報告的內容確認沒有會被解讀成早早寫好卻現在才送的字眼請問次長你有掌握到這件事嗎\n30492\t48624\t有我想這位同仁就是做一個內部工作提醒就是為了避免外界的誤解尤其現在已經有很多這樣的誤解所以就跟你提醒大家要小心所以這個職員確有其人這是真的是我想委員都已經有這個email本人了所以應該是是真的\n50200\t63013\t當然我覺得真的有點可惜我覺得這個希望大家都不要對個人做這種處理但是我先講這個請教次長這個字眼有點奇怪就是說\n64814\t88693\t之前部長也有講說很多報告都準備好了那現在這個既然都準備好了沒有卡那就應該要趕快送啊行政院長又說沒有卡現在要全部送又說這個要改資料要來改數據那之前部長又有講說有一些案子很難寫寫不出來\n89594\t115040\t那我們現在有點迷糊啊就是這到底是哪些到底難不難寫是不是事先準備好了你怎麼看這個解讀這個字樣呢大概有幾件事情跟委員報告第一個就是說今年的預算畢竟在3月份才送出來的確比平常晚很多那另外就是說今年的這個凍結案數量之高也是前所未有在去年我們18案在今年我們有來到了40案我先打斷您一下我解釋一下\n115640\t137260\t其實這個跟協商沒有效率有關協商沒有效率是執政黨的黨團造成的同時沒有足夠的溝通也會造成這個刪減的問題不太有效所以您可以繼續這個整體的成果整體的結果當然就是不管是立法院或者行政部門我們大家就是共同來面對跟解決那所以在這一次的解凍報告裡面的書面報告跟過往非常不同\n137760\t152810\t他在勾基的項目上跟需要勾基的內容上其實會多很多那包括有很多例外的情況像過去也不會出現委員會跟院會的凍結數有這麼大的落差也不會變成說需要並列也不會說有對不起 次長我打斷你你沒有在回答這個問題啊\n155071\t174209\t我的意思是說正因為這樣所以我們的解宗報告是陸陸續續完成的但是我們要一起送那所以的確會有我們在47個案件裡面有的可能已經準備好了但是他必須的還沒有準備好奇怪喔所以真的有案件已經準備好不送對不起市長我要問你過去的慣例都是有弄好的就送現在從來沒有發生過1584個案子一次送\n179474\t184899\t市長您的意見是什麼那文化部呢 過去都是一次送全部 議員會的 委員會的 全部一起送對 我們就是一次全部送出因為我們希望也一次全部解決我們也不希望造成立法院困擾 所以我們來給你送一個所以你們沒有遇到這個問題 你們不需要修改資料嘛 對不對我們需要啊那你們如果都已經準備好了\n203217\t220215\t因為你在不同的時間點譬如說我上次跟委員的報告是寫在二月底那現在已經待到四月我就必須把我的數字更新到三月底啊一定會有這一類的挑戰我想你說不同的部會沒有辦法處理那沒關係啊我們就以教員為主啦那也希望文化部這裡趕快送件\n220615\t235617\t那我们可以来赶快排案那我相信赵伟也不会反对那我们教文也都希望一起来努力很期待委员的支持好 那我们再来看一下这个今年的4月1号新北市三重区有发生死亡车祸那疑似疲劳驾驶\n236118\t252534\t那事後這個肇事男子被起底說是某電視台劇組的美術組的工作人員那我覺得這是一場不幸事件那過去其實也有劇組的員工因為趕工過勞出車禍撞死人還遭逃被捕的狀況那其實我們有發現近期來看這個影視業\n257719\t262462\t可能還是有低薪爆肝的問題劇組預算不足無法再額外請助理低於市價的預算開拍製作公司為了省錢預算挖東牆補西牆降低成本結果卻把各種的結果轉嫁到工作人員身上\n273829\t287945\t那令很多人很寒心就是說大家知道過勞卻沒有人敢講那甚至有一個說法說影視圈很小誰敢講誰就被封殺市長據你所知藝文工作者超時過勞的情況在整個藝文界是不是很常見\n288866\t302999\t要跟委員報告這一件事情其實我們影視局在之前就已經一再的跟這些影視從業人員在座溝通那包括我們的補助要點也都有特別放進去就是要遵守這些勞動法規要進行現場的這個風險評估也要增加這個負擔的規定等等那但是還是會偶爾會出現這樣非常至少現在工作現況裡到底有沒有藝文工作者超時過勞的情況是不是很常見啊\n315878\t343608\t應該說我們在比例上面我沒有辦法這邊斷言但是在劇組的工作狀態的確是一個跟我們一般定時上下班不同的狀態那這個狀態需要特別的勞動法規去支援那現在勞動法規都完備了嗎?你們有照顧到這些權益嗎?在法規上其實已經要求納入了其實在法規上面包括勞基法也納入了八四條支對不起 市長我打斷你唸稿好不好我打斷您唸稿因為我們有數字要提供給您啦\n344868\t363924\t條文需要確認我們時間有限好不好我覺得市長你不要這樣用念稿的方式我沒有念稿我剛剛是因為八四條之一這件事我需要看一下我沒有念稿我沒有那個稿我們本於事實謝謝早在2019年的時候文化基本法訂定其實裡面就有一條\n364665\t376649\t文化與藝術工作者的生存權跟工作權應予以保障但是呢我們其實也看到民間有統計啦就是說每週工作時間高達52小時遠超過正常工作時間的40小時2022年你有剛剛可能有部分提到有這個勞動法規的指引說每日不得超過8小時每週不得超過40小時\n388012\t411628\t但從數據上來看我們甚至也看到很多受訪者調查報告都說超時嚴重高達39.4%的受訪者表示每日工時9到12小時那調查結果也顯示甚至公部門喔就可能公部門自己的館啊院啊或各式各樣的單位每日平均工時10小時兼職的人也是9.2小時您剛剛說有在依據這些東西來調整可是現況還是這樣\n418172\t433673\t你們有帶頭遵守您剛剛所念的這些行政命令嗎如果你們公部門的藝文工作者都超時那市部門更何況是如此 對吧那你們有沒有去了解同時有沒有協助他們去遵守有沒有讓政府部門自己來遵守指引\n434485\t456666\t跟委員報告 我想委員應該非常理解委員應該一天工作也不止八小時吧那站在我們各自的工作崗位上 為了想把工作做好會出現這樣的情況 我們希望它不要發生也希望台灣可以進入低工時的時代但現在的確還在努力的過程我很謝謝次長您剛剛脫口而出啦其實您剛剛的話翻譯起來 就是吃苦當成吃補啦\n457907\t483107\t我們的工作類型不同藝文工作者特別需要保障已經有文化基本法我剛剛已經唸給您聽了我希望這一段話您回去自己細細品味我覺得這樣對藝文工作者真的不公平同時文化部也應該要有責任的去調查藝文工作者的勞動情況其實我們這些數據全部都是外部的組織做的文化部有沒有自己調查的有沒有\n484468\t495065\t看來看去就是市長你可不可以直接就講有還是沒有我們一直有掌握這樣的調查有調查我們沒拿到啊我們有掌握大家的調查數據我是說\n498030\t516151\t有調查大家的調查數據沒有調查有蒐集大家的調查數據沒有關係我們解決問題文化部如何具體改善藝文工作者超時過勞的狀況可不可以一個月內提供本席書面報告不要是調查別人的調查我們希望文化部自己來調查可以嗎可以我們可以提供書面報告\n517352\t534540\t再來雖然我時間已經到了但是因為馬上要開始了這件事情國人會陸續關心起來啦我先講我非常喜歡今天次長您的這個標題樂為世界人我覺得這真的很棒但是呢我們現在有一個世界性的活動大阪萬博台灣館Tech World文化部是不是缺席啦\n536088\t549799\t不好意思 我不太確定這一場有沒有邀請這個是台灣的發表會你們沒有發現自己沒有被邀請喔因為可能邀請的不是我啊所以我不太確定對 很好請問文化部有出席嗎有沒有任何人出席\n552776\t568106\t之後民間機構有出席他有邀請我奇怪囉這個是文化結合科技這是作為我們要做世界人啊為什麼文化部沒有出席啊還是要跟委員說明在孟州裡面的這個參加大阪世博的\n569786\t591331\t這個行活動從頭到尾都是經濟部那文化部我們在做的這個文化勢博是我們自己為了響應大阪勢博來做的那所以在這個館本身其實我們文化部也沒有出什麼例我們有出800萬就是給他們去做展演裡面有經濟部國貿署有故宮副院長很多人出席\n592531\t606763\t欸你們出錢出力去弄展他們有邀請你們我是替文化部打抱不平啦謝謝委員可能要問一下經濟部為什麼不邀請我因為有邀請我們應該一定會有人出席不管什麼成績都一定會有人代表所以不是你們我本來還替你們擔心說你們是art and culture\n609045\t629790\t是不是他用tag你們生氣了顯然不是嘛我們沒有用小心眼啦而且對啊我們有很多科技藝術啊台灣超棒的啊對啊沒錯在此喊話經濟部經濟部不要再露腰文化部了拜託這個我們文化部文化人藝術人都要大家一起努力作為世界人不要在台灣裡面去分來分去沒有我們絕對沒有我們非常熱愛經濟部對\n632630\t658059\t最後因為我們現在在弄AI基本法我偷渡一下就是這個AI基本法有公聽會那也謝謝文化部有送相關的這個資訊過來那其實有非常多人其實不分黨派所有人邀來的都有專家提到應該要建立國家層級的AI訓練資料庫我還是要問一下市長雖然部長今天不在但我相信你們立場一致你們支不支持這樣的事情\n658619\t676425\t當然 而且據我所知數位部已經建立了他正在做AI有料庫訓練的建制規劃那文化部會負責提供一些資料嗎當然 我們會全力大量的資料好不好 拜託盡可能的提供而且當然我們也講啦就是我們也希望有價值的資料\n677205\t702972\t文化部也可以記錄起來我們也希望有一天在AI世界裡面價值的傳遞鏈也還是存在的不然這種吉普利啦或者台灣我們台灣也有吉普利啊大家都做得很棒我們也希望資料要公開但是呢有價值的東西我們也要記錄起來最後這是我自己的呼籲啦文化部有非常多的專案提供出去做了很棒的劇本做了很棒的內容做了很棒的文化很多的指引\n704284\t716017\t如果能開放的 拜託文化部 早一點開始準備Public money, public knowledge有更多的繁中的資料 更多的文化的內容世界的AI更認識台灣我們才能讓台灣人 樂為世界人\n720663\t739268\t讓AI熱為台灣人好不好這個真的不做不行喔我再次感謝部長當時有幫我們爭取那個YouTube的那個繁中現在大家都看得很開心所以這個次長可不可以呼應一下當然我想我們會盡全力做到讓在世界的文化裡面有台灣的文化基因好謝謝謝謝謝謝趙偉謝謝次長\n","txt":"委員好次長好昨天晚間在PTC八卦版上面有一張圖片引起網友的熱議文化部的主計單位有某位職員發信給業務單位要求大家再次瀏覽解凍報告的內容確認沒有會被解讀成早早寫好卻現在才送的字眼請問次長你有掌握到這件事嗎\n有我想這位同仁就是做一個內部工作提醒就是為了避免外界的誤解尤其現在已經有很多這樣的誤解所以就跟你提醒大家要小心所以這個職員確有其人這是真的是我想委員都已經有這個email本人了所以應該是是真的\n當然我覺得真的有點可惜我覺得這個希望大家都不要對個人做這種處理但是我先講這個請教次長這個字眼有點奇怪就是說\n之前部長也有講說很多報告都準備好了那現在這個既然都準備好了沒有卡那就應該要趕快送啊行政院長又說沒有卡現在要全部送又說這個要改資料要來改數據那之前部長又有講說有一些案子很難寫寫不出來\n那我們現在有點迷糊啊就是這到底是哪些到底難不難寫是不是事先準備好了你怎麼看這個解讀這個字樣呢大概有幾件事情跟委員報告第一個就是說今年的預算畢竟在3月份才送出來的確比平常晚很多那另外就是說今年的這個凍結案數量之高也是前所未有在去年我們18案在今年我們有來到了40案我先打斷您一下我解釋一下\n其實這個跟協商沒有效率有關協商沒有效率是執政黨的黨團造成的同時沒有足夠的溝通也會造成這個刪減的問題不太有效所以您可以繼續這個整體的成果整體的結果當然就是不管是立法院或者行政部門我們大家就是共同來面對跟解決那所以在這一次的解凍報告裡面的書面報告跟過往非常不同\n他在勾基的項目上跟需要勾基的內容上其實會多很多那包括有很多例外的情況像過去也不會出現委員會跟院會的凍結數有這麼大的落差也不會變成說需要並列也不會說有對不起 次長我打斷你你沒有在回答這個問題啊\n我的意思是說正因為這樣所以我們的解宗報告是陸陸續續完成的但是我們要一起送那所以的確會有我們在47個案件裡面有的可能已經準備好了但是他必須的還沒有準備好奇怪喔所以真的有案件已經準備好不送對不起市長我要問你過去的慣例都是有弄好的就送現在從來沒有發生過1584個案子一次送\n市長您的意見是什麼那文化部呢 過去都是一次送全部 議員會的 委員會的 全部一起送對 我們就是一次全部送出因為我們希望也一次全部解決我們也不希望造成立法院困擾 所以我們來給你送一個所以你們沒有遇到這個問題 你們不需要修改資料嘛 對不對我們需要啊那你們如果都已經準備好了\n因為你在不同的時間點譬如說我上次跟委員的報告是寫在二月底那現在已經待到四月我就必須把我的數字更新到三月底啊一定會有這一類的挑戰我想你說不同的部會沒有辦法處理那沒關係啊我們就以教員為主啦那也希望文化部這裡趕快送件\n那我们可以来赶快排案那我相信赵伟也不会反对那我们教文也都希望一起来努力很期待委员的支持好 那我们再来看一下这个今年的4月1号新北市三重区有发生死亡车祸那疑似疲劳驾驶\n那事後這個肇事男子被起底說是某電視台劇組的美術組的工作人員那我覺得這是一場不幸事件那過去其實也有劇組的員工因為趕工過勞出車禍撞死人還遭逃被捕的狀況那其實我們有發現近期來看這個影視業\n可能還是有低薪爆肝的問題劇組預算不足無法再額外請助理低於市價的預算開拍製作公司為了省錢預算挖東牆補西牆降低成本結果卻把各種的結果轉嫁到工作人員身上\n那令很多人很寒心就是說大家知道過勞卻沒有人敢講那甚至有一個說法說影視圈很小誰敢講誰就被封殺市長據你所知藝文工作者超時過勞的情況在整個藝文界是不是很常見\n要跟委員報告這一件事情其實我們影視局在之前就已經一再的跟這些影視從業人員在座溝通那包括我們的補助要點也都有特別放進去就是要遵守這些勞動法規要進行現場的這個風險評估也要增加這個負擔的規定等等那但是還是會偶爾會出現這樣非常至少現在工作現況裡到底有沒有藝文工作者超時過勞的情況是不是很常見啊\n應該說我們在比例上面我沒有辦法這邊斷言但是在劇組的工作狀態的確是一個跟我們一般定時上下班不同的狀態那這個狀態需要特別的勞動法規去支援那現在勞動法規都完備了嗎?你們有照顧到這些權益嗎?在法規上其實已經要求納入了其實在法規上面包括勞基法也納入了八四條支對不起 市長我打斷你唸稿好不好我打斷您唸稿因為我們有數字要提供給您啦\n條文需要確認我們時間有限好不好我覺得市長你不要這樣用念稿的方式我沒有念稿我剛剛是因為八四條之一這件事我需要看一下我沒有念稿我沒有那個稿我們本於事實謝謝早在2019年的時候文化基本法訂定其實裡面就有一條\n文化與藝術工作者的生存權跟工作權應予以保障但是呢我們其實也看到民間有統計啦就是說每週工作時間高達52小時遠超過正常工作時間的40小時2022年你有剛剛可能有部分提到有這個勞動法規的指引說每日不得超過8小時每週不得超過40小時\n但從數據上來看我們甚至也看到很多受訪者調查報告都說超時嚴重高達39.4%的受訪者表示每日工時9到12小時那調查結果也顯示甚至公部門喔就可能公部門自己的館啊院啊或各式各樣的單位每日平均工時10小時兼職的人也是9.2小時您剛剛說有在依據這些東西來調整可是現況還是這樣\n你們有帶頭遵守您剛剛所念的這些行政命令嗎如果你們公部門的藝文工作者都超時那市部門更何況是如此 對吧那你們有沒有去了解同時有沒有協助他們去遵守有沒有讓政府部門自己來遵守指引\n跟委員報告 我想委員應該非常理解委員應該一天工作也不止八小時吧那站在我們各自的工作崗位上 為了想把工作做好會出現這樣的情況 我們希望它不要發生也希望台灣可以進入低工時的時代但現在的確還在努力的過程我很謝謝次長您剛剛脫口而出啦其實您剛剛的話翻譯起來 就是吃苦當成吃補啦\n我們的工作類型不同藝文工作者特別需要保障已經有文化基本法我剛剛已經唸給您聽了我希望這一段話您回去自己細細品味我覺得這樣對藝文工作者真的不公平同時文化部也應該要有責任的去調查藝文工作者的勞動情況其實我們這些數據全部都是外部的組織做的文化部有沒有自己調查的有沒有\n看來看去就是市長你可不可以直接就講有還是沒有我們一直有掌握這樣的調查有調查我們沒拿到啊我們有掌握大家的調查數據我是說\n有調查大家的調查數據沒有調查有蒐集大家的調查數據沒有關係我們解決問題文化部如何具體改善藝文工作者超時過勞的狀況可不可以一個月內提供本席書面報告不要是調查別人的調查我們希望文化部自己來調查可以嗎可以我們可以提供書面報告\n再來雖然我時間已經到了但是因為馬上要開始了這件事情國人會陸續關心起來啦我先講我非常喜歡今天次長您的這個標題樂為世界人我覺得這真的很棒但是呢我們現在有一個世界性的活動大阪萬博台灣館Tech World文化部是不是缺席啦\n不好意思 我不太確定這一場有沒有邀請這個是台灣的發表會你們沒有發現自己沒有被邀請喔因為可能邀請的不是我啊所以我不太確定對 很好請問文化部有出席嗎有沒有任何人出席\n之後民間機構有出席他有邀請我奇怪囉這個是文化結合科技這是作為我們要做世界人啊為什麼文化部沒有出席啊還是要跟委員說明在孟州裡面的這個參加大阪世博的\n這個行活動從頭到尾都是經濟部那文化部我們在做的這個文化勢博是我們自己為了響應大阪勢博來做的那所以在這個館本身其實我們文化部也沒有出什麼例我們有出800萬就是給他們去做展演裡面有經濟部國貿署有故宮副院長很多人出席\n欸你們出錢出力去弄展他們有邀請你們我是替文化部打抱不平啦謝謝委員可能要問一下經濟部為什麼不邀請我因為有邀請我們應該一定會有人出席不管什麼成績都一定會有人代表所以不是你們我本來還替你們擔心說你們是art and culture\n是不是他用tag你們生氣了顯然不是嘛我們沒有用小心眼啦而且對啊我們有很多科技藝術啊台灣超棒的啊對啊沒錯在此喊話經濟部經濟部不要再露腰文化部了拜託這個我們文化部文化人藝術人都要大家一起努力作為世界人不要在台灣裡面去分來分去沒有我們絕對沒有我們非常熱愛經濟部對\n最後因為我們現在在弄AI基本法我偷渡一下就是這個AI基本法有公聽會那也謝謝文化部有送相關的這個資訊過來那其實有非常多人其實不分黨派所有人邀來的都有專家提到應該要建立國家層級的AI訓練資料庫我還是要問一下市長雖然部長今天不在但我相信你們立場一致你們支不支持這樣的事情\n當然 而且據我所知數位部已經建立了他正在做AI有料庫訓練的建制規劃那文化部會負責提供一些資料嗎當然 我們會全力大量的資料好不好 拜託盡可能的提供而且當然我們也講啦就是我們也希望有價值的資料\n文化部也可以記錄起來我們也希望有一天在AI世界裡面價值的傳遞鏈也還是存在的不然這種吉普利啦或者台灣我們台灣也有吉普利啊大家都做得很棒我們也希望資料要公開但是呢有價值的東西我們也要記錄起來最後這是我自己的呼籲啦文化部有非常多的專案提供出去做了很棒的劇本做了很棒的內容做了很棒的文化很多的指引\n如果能開放的 拜託文化部 早一點開始準備Public money, public knowledge有更多的繁中的資料 更多的文化的內容世界的AI更認識台灣我們才能讓台灣人 樂為世界人\n讓AI熱為台灣人好不好這個真的不做不行喔我再次感謝部長當時有幫我們爭取那個YouTube的那個繁中現在大家都看得很開心所以這個次長可不可以呼應一下當然我想我們會盡全力做到讓在世界的文化裡面有台灣的文化基因好謝謝謝謝謝謝趙偉謝謝次長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.956 --> 00:29.662\n委員好次長好昨天晚間在PTC八卦版上面有一張圖片引起網友的熱議文化部的主計單位有某位職員發信給業務單位要求大家再次瀏覽解凍報告的內容確認沒有會被解讀成早早寫好卻現在才送的字眼請問次長你有掌握到這件事嗎\n\n00:30.492 --> 00:48.624\n有我想這位同仁就是做一個內部工作提醒就是為了避免外界的誤解尤其現在已經有很多這樣的誤解所以就跟你提醒大家要小心所以這個職員確有其人這是真的是我想委員都已經有這個email本人了所以應該是是真的\n\n00:50.200 --> 01:03.013\n當然我覺得真的有點可惜我覺得這個希望大家都不要對個人做這種處理但是我先講這個請教次長這個字眼有點奇怪就是說\n\n01:04.814 --> 01:28.693\n之前部長也有講說很多報告都準備好了那現在這個既然都準備好了沒有卡那就應該要趕快送啊行政院長又說沒有卡現在要全部送又說這個要改資料要來改數據那之前部長又有講說有一些案子很難寫寫不出來\n\n01:29.594 --> 01:55.040\n那我們現在有點迷糊啊就是這到底是哪些到底難不難寫是不是事先準備好了你怎麼看這個解讀這個字樣呢大概有幾件事情跟委員報告第一個就是說今年的預算畢竟在3月份才送出來的確比平常晚很多那另外就是說今年的這個凍結案數量之高也是前所未有在去年我們18案在今年我們有來到了40案我先打斷您一下我解釋一下\n\n01:55.640 --> 02:17.260\n其實這個跟協商沒有效率有關協商沒有效率是執政黨的黨團造成的同時沒有足夠的溝通也會造成這個刪減的問題不太有效所以您可以繼續這個整體的成果整體的結果當然就是不管是立法院或者行政部門我們大家就是共同來面對跟解決那所以在這一次的解凍報告裡面的書面報告跟過往非常不同\n\n02:17.760 --> 02:32.810\n他在勾基的項目上跟需要勾基的內容上其實會多很多那包括有很多例外的情況像過去也不會出現委員會跟院會的凍結數有這麼大的落差也不會變成說需要並列也不會說有對不起次長我打斷你你沒有在回答這個問題啊\n\n02:35.071 --> 02:54.209\n我的意思是說正因為這樣所以我們的解宗報告是陸陸續續完成的但是我們要一起送那所以的確會有我們在47個案件裡面有的可能已經準備好了但是他必須的還沒有準備好奇怪喔所以真的有案件已經準備好不送對不起市長我要問你過去的慣例都是有弄好的就送現在從來沒有發生過1584個案子一次送\n\n02:59.474 --> 03:04.899\n市長您的意見是什麼那文化部呢過去都是一次送全部議員會的委員會的全部一起送對我們就是一次全部送出因為我們希望也一次全部解決我們也不希望造成立法院困擾所以我們來給你送一個所以你們沒有遇到這個問題你們不需要修改資料嘛對不對我們需要啊那你們如果都已經準備好了\n\n03:23.217 --> 03:40.215\n因為你在不同的時間點譬如說我上次跟委員的報告是寫在二月底那現在已經待到四月我就必須把我的數字更新到三月底啊一定會有這一類的挑戰我想你說不同的部會沒有辦法處理那沒關係啊我們就以教員為主啦那也希望文化部這裡趕快送件\n\n03:40.615 --> 03:55.617\n那我们可以来赶快排案那我相信赵伟也不会反对那我们教文也都希望一起来努力很期待委员的支持好那我们再来看一下这个今年的4月1号新北市三重区有发生死亡车祸那疑似疲劳驾驶\n\n03:56.118 --> 04:12.534\n那事後這個肇事男子被起底說是某電視台劇組的美術組的工作人員那我覺得這是一場不幸事件那過去其實也有劇組的員工因為趕工過勞出車禍撞死人還遭逃被捕的狀況那其實我們有發現近期來看這個影視業\n\n04:17.719 --> 04:22.462\n可能還是有低薪爆肝的問題劇組預算不足無法再額外請助理低於市價的預算開拍製作公司為了省錢預算挖東牆補西牆降低成本結果卻把各種的結果轉嫁到工作人員身上\n\n04:33.829 --> 04:47.945\n那令很多人很寒心就是說大家知道過勞卻沒有人敢講那甚至有一個說法說影視圈很小誰敢講誰就被封殺市長據你所知藝文工作者超時過勞的情況在整個藝文界是不是很常見\n\n04:48.866 --> 05:02.999\n要跟委員報告這一件事情其實我們影視局在之前就已經一再的跟這些影視從業人員在座溝通那包括我們的補助要點也都有特別放進去就是要遵守這些勞動法規要進行現場的這個風險評估也要增加這個負擔的規定等等那但是還是會偶爾會出現這樣非常至少現在工作現況裡到底有沒有藝文工作者超時過勞的情況是不是很常見啊\n\n05:15.878 --> 05:43.608\n應該說我們在比例上面我沒有辦法這邊斷言但是在劇組的工作狀態的確是一個跟我們一般定時上下班不同的狀態那這個狀態需要特別的勞動法規去支援那現在勞動法規都完備了嗎?你們有照顧到這些權益嗎?在法規上其實已經要求納入了其實在法規上面包括勞基法也納入了八四條支對不起市長我打斷你唸稿好不好我打斷您唸稿因為我們有數字要提供給您啦\n\n05:44.868 --> 06:03.924\n條文需要確認我們時間有限好不好我覺得市長你不要這樣用念稿的方式我沒有念稿我剛剛是因為八四條之一這件事我需要看一下我沒有念稿我沒有那個稿我們本於事實謝謝早在2019年的時候文化基本法訂定其實裡面就有一條\n\n06:04.665 --> 06:16.649\n文化與藝術工作者的生存權跟工作權應予以保障但是呢我們其實也看到民間有統計啦就是說每週工作時間高達52小時遠超過正常工作時間的40小時2022年你有剛剛可能有部分提到有這個勞動法規的指引說每日不得超過8小時每週不得超過40小時\n\n06:28.012 --> 06:51.628\n但從數據上來看我們甚至也看到很多受訪者調查報告都說超時嚴重高達39.4%的受訪者表示每日工時9到12小時那調查結果也顯示甚至公部門喔就可能公部門自己的館啊院啊或各式各樣的單位每日平均工時10小時兼職的人也是9.2小時您剛剛說有在依據這些東西來調整可是現況還是這樣\n\n06:58.172 --> 07:13.673\n你們有帶頭遵守您剛剛所念的這些行政命令嗎如果你們公部門的藝文工作者都超時那市部門更何況是如此對吧那你們有沒有去了解同時有沒有協助他們去遵守有沒有讓政府部門自己來遵守指引\n\n07:14.485 --> 07:36.666\n跟委員報告我想委員應該非常理解委員應該一天工作也不止八小時吧那站在我們各自的工作崗位上為了想把工作做好會出現這樣的情況我們希望它不要發生也希望台灣可以進入低工時的時代但現在的確還在努力的過程我很謝謝次長您剛剛脫口而出啦其實您剛剛的話翻譯起來就是吃苦當成吃補啦\n\n07:37.907 --> 08:03.107\n我們的工作類型不同藝文工作者特別需要保障已經有文化基本法我剛剛已經唸給您聽了我希望這一段話您回去自己細細品味我覺得這樣對藝文工作者真的不公平同時文化部也應該要有責任的去調查藝文工作者的勞動情況其實我們這些數據全部都是外部的組織做的文化部有沒有自己調查的有沒有\n\n08:04.468 --> 08:15.065\n看來看去就是市長你可不可以直接就講有還是沒有我們一直有掌握這樣的調查有調查我們沒拿到啊我們有掌握大家的調查數據我是說\n\n08:18.030 --> 08:36.151\n有調查大家的調查數據沒有調查有蒐集大家的調查數據沒有關係我們解決問題文化部如何具體改善藝文工作者超時過勞的狀況可不可以一個月內提供本席書面報告不要是調查別人的調查我們希望文化部自己來調查可以嗎可以我們可以提供書面報告\n\n08:37.352 --> 08:54.540\n再來雖然我時間已經到了但是因為馬上要開始了這件事情國人會陸續關心起來啦我先講我非常喜歡今天次長您的這個標題樂為世界人我覺得這真的很棒但是呢我們現在有一個世界性的活動大阪萬博台灣館TechWorld文化部是不是缺席啦\n\n08:56.088 --> 09:09.799\n不好意思我不太確定這一場有沒有邀請這個是台灣的發表會你們沒有發現自己沒有被邀請喔因為可能邀請的不是我啊所以我不太確定對很好請問文化部有出席嗎有沒有任何人出席\n\n09:12.776 --> 09:28.106\n之後民間機構有出席他有邀請我奇怪囉這個是文化結合科技這是作為我們要做世界人啊為什麼文化部沒有出席啊還是要跟委員說明在孟州裡面的這個參加大阪世博的\n\n09:29.786 --> 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