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00:01:46,567\n很重要但是不是最重要那國發會知道嗎國發會知道你們等的嗎我有很多的同仁會把這件事情處理好我現在呢就是要面對這個關係的問題今天在討論的這個問題今天在討論的這個問題副主委副主委也來講一下今天在討論的這個問題副主委也講一下就是說副主委知道說投發會有多少金額被凍結嗎不是把動長的是送來這個委員會這邊討論嗎你知道嗎\n\n6\n00:01:51,684 --> 00:02:17,249\n你們有4億多被凍結有多少案知道嗎我們有統計案件有都有所以你也不知道我知道我手上好沒關係其實呢哪一些我想要再問部長那你知道說有哪一些政策因為預算被凍結哪一些具體的項目或工作因為被凍結出現延宕或者暫停執行嗎\n\n7\n00:02:18,109 --> 00:02:21,772\n報告委員我講過了啦哪些事情有輕重緩急嗎沒有那有沒有計畫沒有等一下我也會繼續問你剛才你想要回答的這一題有沒有計畫延後啟動或者有沒有補助暫停或縮減規模有沒有對民間業者或是民眾造成實質影響的個案呢\n\n8\n00:02:42,813 --> 00:03:04,645\n有嗎沒有所以我必須講昨天卓院長宣布主計總署將所有的凍結案都送進立法院之後很多委員都看到了這個信件所以從文化部主計處內部的信件交代公務人員說再一次確認不要有早早寫好現在才中的文字\n\n9\n00:03:05,425 --> 00:03:23,821\n部長這個雖然是文化部但是本席想要請問一下您覺得這樣子的內部信件內容合理嗎這不就代表說其實是你們真的是一直壓著不送嗎企圖營造預算被凍結無法做事的假象嗎這個是文化部經濟部有這個狀況嗎\n\n10\n00:03:26,384 --> 00:03:45,574\n經濟部關心的是民生經濟啦我們當然對文化也非常的這個崇敬那您剛才在說的這個問題是不是我們內部會產生到目前為止我沒有收到這樣的資訊是所以呢本行要舉一個具體引發社會不安的例子今年二月經濟部對媒體說因為立法院凍結節能預算兩成所以呢經濟部恐減少\n\n11\n00:03:52,678 --> 00:03:58,539\n60萬台家電補助影響50萬戶的家庭這樣的訊息很快就在社會上引起誤解很多民眾就詢問是不是節能不辦了是不是新家電要搶快時間買甚至錯誤的訊息一直在社群中來轉傳本席在這裡要明確的講這樣的訊息既不準確也不負責預算凍結不是刪除\n\n12\n00:04:18,163 --> 00:04:39,561\n不能夠向外貿然的釋出說補助會減少民眾會受損的訊息這個你同不同意報告委員你剛所垂詢的都是一個事實但是現在還沒有解凍所以還是存在這個情況之下是那你送了嗎解凍案你也送了嗎我們要送啊就今天\n\n13\n00:04:40,402 --> 00:04:44,464\n我們今天會趕快送啊所以你們今天會送你剛才在問這個是說所以這個鐵農家電的補助是會照原計劃進行的意思囉我們也在陳述的是事實嘛那你再問的是事實呢預算凍結跟它執行你還是可以例行你還只凍兩層欸只凍兩層欸\n\n14\n00:05:05,211 --> 00:05:07,154\n欸凍結不是刪除欸也不是否定你的政策是尚未完全解凍程序前欸也就是說兩層算出來的就是這個樣子\n\n15\n00:05:15,878 --> 00:05:37,582\n問題是你照著這樣執行你是一整年度的怎麼會在年頭就已經受到影響了呢不是我們是在講說會影響是不是是講全年喔你怎麼會講全年你是在恐嚇民眾啊你就在勤勒他嘛所以呢好回到今天的報告委員這個每一個人的對文字解讀的能力不太一樣啦齁你不能講開口就是講勤勒哇這個太嚴重了好不好\n\n16\n00:05:42,183 --> 00:05:54,186\n這個部分我是覺得說絕對不要去釋放假訊息應該是要積極來說明積極來競逐的那我想你對文字的認知跟我的認知也不一樣你認為說這個五十萬戶六十萬戶是目前\n\n17\n00:06:03,869 --> 00:06:08,818\n但是我們表達的是說在這個預算的年度裡面會影響50萬到60萬度嘛問題是你如果積極說明你送出來的話你難道覺得說我們不會給你解凍嗎\n\n18\n00:06:16,007 --> 00:06:23,693\n是不是不知道啊不知道啊是啊那你怎麼會馬上就釋出這種訊息呢好來我回到我們今天的主題因為我不想要像張祺凱委員那樣overtime那麼久我們是回到今天的這個主題上週白宮就引用這個232條宣布說針對半導體展開這個國安調查\n\n19\n00:06:38,604 --> 00:07:06,042\n那根據這個條款只要美方認定進口的產品對其國家安全造成威脅總統就能夠直接提高關稅限制配額那這件事情的嚴重性呢我想部長比誰都清楚因為台灣現在面對的是對等關稅跟232條款的雙重壓力那您上週已經說有這個模擬的情形可以透露一下目前最好跟最壞的情形分別是什麼嗎\n\n20\n00:07:07,096 --> 00:07:21,541\n包括現在是進行中很抱歉沒有辦法透露都沒有辦法講那你覺得最好的情形會是怎樣不變透露啦因為我要打什麼牌講出去到時候對不對他又拿來用我就就很難應用啦\n\n21\n00:07:22,261 --> 00:07:28,963\n那前面幾個委員跟本席的憂慮跟其他幾個委員都是一樣的因為川普政府的意圖就非常明顯了他想要把半跑體排除在對等關稅清單之外另立談判軌道嘛\n\n22\n00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:46,990\n那由於這個關稅的壓力促使生產基地往美國遷移啊然後進而實現他供應鏈內部化從奪這個產業的主導權部長您知道半導體產業佔台灣GDP的幾成嗎\n\n23\n00:07:56,649 --> 00:08:13,283\n半導體是定義在哪一個部分就半導體佔台灣GDP你不知道我告訴你18%那如果美國真的把這個產業都帶到美國去這個供應鏈內部化之後這樣子你有評估過會衝擊台灣GDP多少嗎\n\n24\n00:08:17,762 --> 00:08:40,391\n沒有那我建議你是不是可以指揮一下你們部裡面去評估一下因為本席真的很擔憂因為半導體產業不用我說大家都知道連路邊阿伯都知道說是我們台灣產業的重中之重影響數以萬計的工作機會真希望說部長你要趕快有一個應對方案不能被動等待\n\n25\n00:08:41,431 --> 00:09:00,636\n看了今天的這個業務報告說實在我也有一點遺憾因為經濟部到目前沒有任何具體的規劃這整份報告能停留在貿易數據還有既有的補助方案其實呢稍顯籠統啦所以部長您覺得今天的報告您滿意嗎你覺得這有符合產業的期待這有符合民眾的期待嗎\n\n26\n00:09:08,755 --> 00:09:32,668\n我現在呼籲部長啊這個232條款最大的不同就是說他有270天的調查程序那這個調查程序非常的細是不是也提供了我們很多溝通澄清的機會那這個時間長程序系的調查流程希望部長要指揮你的部會們你的這些員工們大家真的要趕快\n\n27\n00:09:34,010 --> 00:09:39,101\n立起來趕快積極的在每一個階段都發揮影響力啊好不好\n\n28\n00:09:41,018 --> 00:09:56,084\n可以嗎可以吧那我在這裡最後說一句就是說整個戰略論述上我們必須明顯明白的對外去說清楚說台灣跟美國的半導體產業結構其實不是競爭而是一個互補美國設計台灣製造美國品牌在銷售如果這個供應列製造端被刻以這個高額的關稅最終失去競爭力的不只是台灣\n\n29\n00:10:08,949 --> 00:10:27,866\n還有美國自己的品牌商跟他的消費者部長所以這個部分是不是也可以在我們談判的說帖裡面在我們的分析裡面我相信我們的談判專家應該會更仔細的把這個說明白那我也希望說包括去年我們6月跟美國簽署的這個台美21世紀的貿易倡議\n\n30\n00:10:30,848 --> 00:10:45,896\n本來是去年就已經要正式生效了結果這一次關稅風波爆發之後完全看不出這個倡議那時候行政院還很高興的在宣布結果這個倡議現階段就沒有任何實質角色啊是不是\n\n31\n00:10:46,636 --> 00:10:48,056\n部長也趁這個機會把台美21世紀的貿易倡議的後續條款盡快的把它談得更細緻為我們國家的產業爭取一個長期穩定的合作框架\n\n32\n00:11:03,050 --> 00:11:09,656\n報告委員我們跟美國是策略夥伴你剛才說的一樣羅賓阿博都知道所以你說我們的談判小組根本不知道這件事所以剛才所關切的問題\n\n33\n00:11:18,163 --> 00:11:47,122\n我們都在我們談判的內容之內只是我們現在在談判不便跟委員報告進度或者內容是什麼但是你所關心的事情我們會放的我們放在心裡我們在談判的時候會去用這一部分好不好因為連羅賓阿伯都知道怎麼可能加油阿部長部長你現在在寫歷史幫你加油大家都知道問題啦我想委員你一再的陳述我們大家都很清楚好加油加油謝謝\n\n34\n00:11:48,164 --> 00:11:48,184\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6034\t23501\t主席我想請郭部長那在我諮詢之前我想要提醒一下這個郭部長跟張委員我們三年只長了四次還沒有長第五次你們講的好像第五次已經長了他希望長啊嚇我一跳想說明明就只有長四次長來的第五次啊那部長我想上個禮拜在本委員會中\n29488\t42706\t就是您有接受質詢的時候您有表示說尚未掌握被凍結多少案多少金額那如今主計處已經將114年中央政府總預算遭這個立法院凍結\n46229\t62362\t1584項然後總共1380億元的這個預算案全數都送到立法院的那所以呢本席想要問說經濟部目前被凍結的預算到底有幾項那總金額是多少你這邊是否已經掌握了呢上個禮拜你說你不知道這個禮拜他已經都送出來了你們有實際的這個數字嗎\n70717\t83313\t我們就盡快送出來了被凍結的部分我想我們的相關的單位應該就會趕快送出來所以目前您還是沒有掌握說到底幾項也不知道說總金額是多少是嗎這個對我來講\n86394\t106567\t很重要 但是不是最重要那國發會知道嗎 國發會知道你們等的嗎我有很多的同仁會把這件事情處理好我現在呢 就是要面對這個關係的問題今天在討論的這個問題 今天在討論的這個問題 副主委 副主委也來講一下今天在討論的這個問題 副主委也講一下就是說副主委知道說 投發會有多少金額被凍結嗎不是把動長的是送來這個委員會這邊討論嗎你知道嗎\n111684\t137249\t你們有4億多被凍結 有多少案知道嗎我們有統計案件有 都有 所以你也不知道我知道 我手上好 沒關係 其實呢哪一些 我想要再問部長那你知道說有哪一些政策因為預算被凍結哪一些具體的項目或工作因為被凍結出現延宕或者暫停執行嗎\n138109\t141772\t報告委員我講過了啦哪些事情有輕重緩急嗎沒有那有沒有計畫沒有等一下我也會繼續問你剛才你想要回答的這一題有沒有計畫延後啟動或者有沒有補助暫停或縮減規模有沒有對民間業者或是民眾造成實質影響的個案呢\n162813\t184645\t有嗎 沒有所以我必須講昨天卓院長宣布主計總署將所有的凍結案都送進立法院之後很多委員都看到了這個信件所以從文化部主計處內部的信件交代公務人員說再一次確認不要有早早寫好現在才中的文字\n185425\t203821\t部長這個雖然是文化部但是本席想要請問一下您覺得這樣子的內部信件內容合理嗎這不就代表說其實是你們真的是一直壓著不送嗎企圖營造預算被凍結無法做事的假象嗎這個是文化部經濟部有這個狀況嗎\n206384\t225574\t經濟部關心的是民生經濟啦我們當然對文化也非常的這個崇敬那您剛才在說的這個問題是不是我們內部會產生到目前為止我沒有收到這樣的資訊是所以呢本行要舉一個具體引發社會不安的例子今年二月經濟部對媒體說因為立法院凍結節能預算兩成所以呢經濟部恐減少\n232678\t238539\t60萬台家電補助影響50萬戶的家庭這樣的訊息很快就在社會上引起誤解很多民眾就詢問是不是節能不辦了是不是新家電要搶快時間買甚至錯誤的訊息一直在社群中來轉傳本席在這裡要明確的講這樣的訊息既不準確也不負責預算凍結不是刪除\n258163\t279561\t不能夠向外貿然的釋出說補助會減少民眾會受損的訊息 這個你同不同意報告委員 你剛所垂詢的都是一個事實但是現在還沒有解凍所以還是存在這個情況之下是 那你送了嗎 解凍案你也送了嗎我們要送啊 就今天\n280402\t284464\t我們今天會趕快送啊所以你們今天會送你剛才在問這個是說所以這個鐵農家電的補助是會照原計劃進行的意思囉我們也在陳述的是事實嘛那你再問的是事實呢預算凍結跟它執行你還是可以例行你還只凍兩層欸只凍兩層欸\n305211\t307154\t欸 凍結不是刪除欸也不是否定你的政策是尚未完全解凍程序前欸也就是說兩層算出來的就是這個樣子\n315878\t337582\t問題是你照著這樣執行 你是一整年度的怎麼會在年頭就已經受到影響了呢不是 我們是在講說會影響 是不是是講全年喔你怎麼會講全年 你是在恐嚇民眾啊你就在勤勒他嘛所以呢 好 回到今天的報告委員 這個每一個人的對文字解讀的能力不太一樣啦齁你不能講 開口就是講勤勒哇 這個太嚴重了好不好\n342183\t354186\t這個部分我是覺得說 絕對不要去釋放假訊息應該是要積極來說明 積極來競逐的那我想你對文字的認知跟我的認知也不一樣你認為說這個五十萬戶 六十萬戶是目前\n363869\t368818\t但是我們表達的是說在這個預算的年度裡面會影響50萬到60萬度嘛問題是你如果積極說明你送出來的話你難道覺得說我們不會給你解凍嗎\n376007\t383693\t是不是 不知道啊 不知道啊是啊 那你怎麼會馬上就釋出這種訊息呢好 來 我回到我們今天的主題因為我不想要像張祺凱委員那樣 overtime那麼久我們是回到今天的這個主題上週白宮就引用這個232條宣布說針對半導體展開這個國安調查\n398604\t426042\t那根據這個條款只要美方認定進口的產品對其國家安全造成威脅總統就能夠直接提高關稅限制配額那這件事情的嚴重性呢我想部長比誰都清楚因為台灣現在面對的是對等關稅跟232條款的雙重壓力那您上週已經說有這個模擬的情形可以透露一下目前最好跟最壞的情形分別是什麼嗎\n427096\t441541\t包括現在是進行中很抱歉沒有辦法透露都沒有辦法講那你覺得最好的情形會是怎樣不變透露啦因為我要打什麼牌講出去到時候對不對他又拿來用我就就很難應用啦\n442261\t448963\t那前面幾個委員跟本席的憂慮跟其他幾個委員都是一樣的因為川普政府的意圖就非常明顯了他想要把半跑體排除在對等關稅清單之外另立談判軌道嘛\n460427\t466990\t那由於這個關稅的壓力促使生產基地往美國遷移啊然後進而實現他供應鏈內部化從奪這個產業的主導權部長您知道半導體產業佔台灣GDP的幾成嗎\n476649\t493283\t半導體是定義在哪一個部分就半導體佔台灣GDP你不知道我告訴你18%那如果美國真的把這個產業都帶到美國去這個供應鏈內部化之後這樣子你有評估過會衝擊台灣GDP多少嗎\n497762\t520391\t沒有那我建議你是不是可以指揮一下你們部裡面去評估一下因為本席真的很擔憂因為半導體產業不用我說大家都知道連路邊阿伯都知道說是我們台灣產業的重中之重影響數以萬計的工作機會真希望說部長你要趕快有一個應對方案不能被動等待\n521431\t540636\t看了今天的這個業務報告說實在我也有一點遺憾因為經濟部到目前沒有任何具體的規劃這整份報告能停留在貿易數據還有既有的補助方案其實呢稍顯籠統啦所以部長您覺得今天的報告您滿意嗎你覺得這有符合產業的期待這有符合民眾的期待嗎\n548755\t572668\t我現在呼籲部長啊這個232條款最大的不同就是說他有270天的調查程序那這個調查程序非常的細是不是也提供了我們很多溝通澄清的機會那這個時間長程序系的調查流程希望部長要指揮你的部會們你的這些員工們大家真的要趕快\n574010\t579101\t立起來趕快積極的在每一個階段都發揮影響力啊 好不好\n581018\t596084\t可以嗎可以吧那我在這裡最後說一句就是說整個戰略論述上我們必須明顯明白的對外去說清楚說台灣跟美國的半導體產業結構其實不是競爭而是一個互補美國設計台灣製造美國品牌在銷售如果這個供應列製造端被刻以這個高額的關稅最終失去競爭力的不只是台灣\n608949\t627866\t還有美國自己的品牌商跟他的消費者部長所以這個部分是不是也可以在我們談判的說帖裡面在我們的分析裡面我相信我們的談判專家應該會更仔細的把這個說明白那我也希望說包括去年我們6月跟美國簽署的這個台美21世紀的貿易倡議\n630848\t645896\t本來是去年就已經要正式生效了結果這一次關稅風波爆發之後完全看不出這個倡議那時候行政院還很高興的在宣布結果這個倡議現階段就沒有任何實質角色啊是不是\n646636\t648056\t部長也趁這個機會把台美21世紀的貿易倡議的後續條款盡快的把它談得更細緻為我們國家的產業爭取一個長期穩定的合作框架\n663050\t669656\t報告委員我們跟美國是策略夥伴你剛才說的一樣 羅賓阿博都知道所以你說我們的談判小組根本不知道這件事所以剛才所關切的問題\n678163\t707122\t我們都在我們談判的內容之內只是我們現在在談判不便跟委員報告進度或者內容是什麼但是你所關心的事情我們會放的我們放在心裡我們在談判的時候會去用這一部分好不好因為連羅賓阿伯都知道怎麼可能加油阿部長部長你現在在寫歷史幫你加油大家都知道問題啦我想委員你一再的陳述我們大家都很清楚好加油加油謝謝\n708164\t708184\t好 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沒有所以我必須講昨天卓院長宣布主計總署將所有的凍結案都送進立法院之後很多委員都看到了這個信件所以從文化部主計處內部的信件交代公務人員說再一次確認不要有早早寫好現在才中的文字\n部長這個雖然是文化部但是本席想要請問一下您覺得這樣子的內部信件內容合理嗎這不就代表說其實是你們真的是一直壓著不送嗎企圖營造預算被凍結無法做事的假象嗎這個是文化部經濟部有這個狀況嗎\n經濟部關心的是民生經濟啦我們當然對文化也非常的這個崇敬那您剛才在說的這個問題是不是我們內部會產生到目前為止我沒有收到這樣的資訊是所以呢本行要舉一個具體引發社會不安的例子今年二月經濟部對媒體說因為立法院凍結節能預算兩成所以呢經濟部恐減少\n60萬台家電補助影響50萬戶的家庭這樣的訊息很快就在社會上引起誤解很多民眾就詢問是不是節能不辦了是不是新家電要搶快時間買甚至錯誤的訊息一直在社群中來轉傳本席在這裡要明確的講這樣的訊息既不準確也不負責預算凍結不是刪除\n不能夠向外貿然的釋出說補助會減少民眾會受損的訊息 這個你同不同意報告委員 你剛所垂詢的都是一個事實但是現在還沒有解凍所以還是存在這個情況之下是 那你送了嗎 解凍案你也送了嗎我們要送啊 就今天\n我們今天會趕快送啊所以你們今天會送你剛才在問這個是說所以這個鐵農家電的補助是會照原計劃進行的意思囉我們也在陳述的是事實嘛那你再問的是事實呢預算凍結跟它執行你還是可以例行你還只凍兩層欸只凍兩層欸\n欸 凍結不是刪除欸也不是否定你的政策是尚未完全解凍程序前欸也就是說兩層算出來的就是這個樣子\n問題是你照著這樣執行 你是一整年度的怎麼會在年頭就已經受到影響了呢不是 我們是在講說會影響 是不是是講全年喔你怎麼會講全年 你是在恐嚇民眾啊你就在勤勒他嘛所以呢 好 回到今天的報告委員 這個每一個人的對文字解讀的能力不太一樣啦齁你不能講 開口就是講勤勒哇 這個太嚴重了好不好\n這個部分我是覺得說 絕對不要去釋放假訊息應該是要積極來說明 積極來競逐的那我想你對文字的認知跟我的認知也不一樣你認為說這個五十萬戶 六十萬戶是目前\n但是我們表達的是說在這個預算的年度裡面會影響50萬到60萬度嘛問題是你如果積極說明你送出來的話你難道覺得說我們不會給你解凍嗎\n是不是 不知道啊 不知道啊是啊 那你怎麼會馬上就釋出這種訊息呢好 來 我回到我們今天的主題因為我不想要像張祺凱委員那樣 overtime那麼久我們是回到今天的這個主題上週白宮就引用這個232條宣布說針對半導體展開這個國安調查\n那根據這個條款只要美方認定進口的產品對其國家安全造成威脅總統就能夠直接提高關稅限制配額那這件事情的嚴重性呢我想部長比誰都清楚因為台灣現在面對的是對等關稅跟232條款的雙重壓力那您上週已經說有這個模擬的情形可以透露一下目前最好跟最壞的情形分別是什麼嗎\n包括現在是進行中很抱歉沒有辦法透露都沒有辦法講那你覺得最好的情形會是怎樣不變透露啦因為我要打什麼牌講出去到時候對不對他又拿來用我就就很難應用啦\n那前面幾個委員跟本席的憂慮跟其他幾個委員都是一樣的因為川普政府的意圖就非常明顯了他想要把半跑體排除在對等關稅清單之外另立談判軌道嘛\n那由於這個關稅的壓力促使生產基地往美國遷移啊然後進而實現他供應鏈內部化從奪這個產業的主導權部長您知道半導體產業佔台灣GDP的幾成嗎\n半導體是定義在哪一個部分就半導體佔台灣GDP你不知道我告訴你18%那如果美國真的把這個產業都帶到美國去這個供應鏈內部化之後這樣子你有評估過會衝擊台灣GDP多少嗎\n沒有那我建議你是不是可以指揮一下你們部裡面去評估一下因為本席真的很擔憂因為半導體產業不用我說大家都知道連路邊阿伯都知道說是我們台灣產業的重中之重影響數以萬計的工作機會真希望說部長你要趕快有一個應對方案不能被動等待\n看了今天的這個業務報告說實在我也有一點遺憾因為經濟部到目前沒有任何具體的規劃這整份報告能停留在貿易數據還有既有的補助方案其實呢稍顯籠統啦所以部長您覺得今天的報告您滿意嗎你覺得這有符合產業的期待這有符合民眾的期待嗎\n我現在呼籲部長啊這個232條款最大的不同就是說他有270天的調查程序那這個調查程序非常的細是不是也提供了我們很多溝通澄清的機會那這個時間長程序系的調查流程希望部長要指揮你的部會們你的這些員工們大家真的要趕快\n立起來趕快積極的在每一個階段都發揮影響力啊 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01:23.313\n我們就盡快送出來了被凍結的部分我想我們的相關的單位應該就會趕快送出來所以目前您還是沒有掌握說到底幾項也不知道說總金額是多少是嗎這個對我來講\n\n01:26.394 --> 01:46.567\n很重要但是不是最重要那國發會知道嗎國發會知道你們等的嗎我有很多的同仁會把這件事情處理好我現在呢就是要面對這個關係的問題今天在討論的這個問題今天在討論的這個問題副主委副主委也來講一下今天在討論的這個問題副主委也講一下就是說副主委知道說投發會有多少金額被凍結嗎不是把動長的是送來這個委員會這邊討論嗎你知道嗎\n\n01:51.684 --> 02:17.249\n你們有4億多被凍結有多少案知道嗎我們有統計案件有都有所以你也不知道我知道我手上好沒關係其實呢哪一些我想要再問部長那你知道說有哪一些政策因為預算被凍結哪一些具體的項目或工作因為被凍結出現延宕或者暫停執行嗎\n\n02:18.109 --> 02:21.772\n報告委員我講過了啦哪些事情有輕重緩急嗎沒有那有沒有計畫沒有等一下我也會繼續問你剛才你想要回答的這一題有沒有計畫延後啟動或者有沒有補助暫停或縮減規模有沒有對民間業者或是民眾造成實質影響的個案呢\n\n02:42.813 --> 03:04.645\n有嗎沒有所以我必須講昨天卓院長宣布主計總署將所有的凍結案都送進立法院之後很多委員都看到了這個信件所以從文化部主計處內部的信件交代公務人員說再一次確認不要有早早寫好現在才中的文字\n\n03:05.425 --> 03:23.821\n部長這個雖然是文化部但是本席想要請問一下您覺得這樣子的內部信件內容合理嗎這不就代表說其實是你們真的是一直壓著不送嗎企圖營造預算被凍結無法做事的假象嗎這個是文化部經濟部有這個狀況嗎\n\n03:26.384 --> 03:45.574\n經濟部關心的是民生經濟啦我們當然對文化也非常的這個崇敬那您剛才在說的這個問題是不是我們內部會產生到目前為止我沒有收到這樣的資訊是所以呢本行要舉一個具體引發社會不安的例子今年二月經濟部對媒體說因為立法院凍結節能預算兩成所以呢經濟部恐減少\n\n03:52.678 --> 03:58.539\n60萬台家電補助影響50萬戶的家庭這樣的訊息很快就在社會上引起誤解很多民眾就詢問是不是節能不辦了是不是新家電要搶快時間買甚至錯誤的訊息一直在社群中來轉傳本席在這裡要明確的講這樣的訊息既不準確也不負責預算凍結不是刪除\n\n04:18.163 --> 04:39.561\n不能夠向外貿然的釋出說補助會減少民眾會受損的訊息這個你同不同意報告委員你剛所垂詢的都是一個事實但是現在還沒有解凍所以還是存在這個情況之下是那你送了嗎解凍案你也送了嗎我們要送啊就今天\n\n04:40.402 --> 04:44.464\n我們今天會趕快送啊所以你們今天會送你剛才在問這個是說所以這個鐵農家電的補助是會照原計劃進行的意思囉我們也在陳述的是事實嘛那你再問的是事實呢預算凍結跟它執行你還是可以例行你還只凍兩層欸只凍兩層欸\n\n05:05.211 --> 05:07.154\n欸凍結不是刪除欸也不是否定你的政策是尚未完全解凍程序前欸也就是說兩層算出來的就是這個樣子\n\n05:15.878 --> 05:37.582\n問題是你照著這樣執行你是一整年度的怎麼會在年頭就已經受到影響了呢不是我們是在講說會影響是不是是講全年喔你怎麼會講全年你是在恐嚇民眾啊你就在勤勒他嘛所以呢好回到今天的報告委員這個每一個人的對文字解讀的能力不太一樣啦齁你不能講開口就是講勤勒哇這個太嚴重了好不好\n\n05:42.183 --> 05:54.186\n這個部分我是覺得說絕對不要去釋放假訊息應該是要積極來說明積極來競逐的那我想你對文字的認知跟我的認知也不一樣你認為說這個五十萬戶六十萬戶是目前\n\n06:03.869 --> 06:08.818\n但是我們表達的是說在這個預算的年度裡面會影響50萬到60萬度嘛問題是你如果積極說明你送出來的話你難道覺得說我們不會給你解凍嗎\n\n06:16.007 --> 06:23.693\n是不是不知道啊不知道啊是啊那你怎麼會馬上就釋出這種訊息呢好來我回到我們今天的主題因為我不想要像張祺凱委員那樣overtime那麼久我們是回到今天的這個主題上週白宮就引用這個232條宣布說針對半導體展開這個國安調查\n\n06:38.604 --> 07:06.042\n那根據這個條款只要美方認定進口的產品對其國家安全造成威脅總統就能夠直接提高關稅限制配額那這件事情的嚴重性呢我想部長比誰都清楚因為台灣現在面對的是對等關稅跟232條款的雙重壓力那您上週已經說有這個模擬的情形可以透露一下目前最好跟最壞的情形分別是什麼嗎\n\n07:07.096 --> 07:21.541\n包括現在是進行中很抱歉沒有辦法透露都沒有辦法講那你覺得最好的情形會是怎樣不變透露啦因為我要打什麼牌講出去到時候對不對他又拿來用我就就很難應用啦\n\n07:22.261 --> 07:28.963\n那前面幾個委員跟本席的憂慮跟其他幾個委員都是一樣的因為川普政府的意圖就非常明顯了他想要把半跑體排除在對等關稅清單之外另立談判軌道嘛\n\n07:40.427 --> 07:46.990\n那由於這個關稅的壓力促使生產基地往美國遷移啊然後進而實現他供應鏈內部化從奪這個產業的主導權部長您知道半導體產業佔台灣GDP的幾成嗎\n\n07:56.649 --> 08:13.283\n半導體是定義在哪一個部分就半導體佔台灣GDP你不知道我告訴你18%那如果美國真的把這個產業都帶到美國去這個供應鏈內部化之後這樣子你有評估過會衝擊台灣GDP多少嗎\n\n08:17.762 --> 08:40.391\n沒有那我建議你是不是可以指揮一下你們部裡面去評估一下因為本席真的很擔憂因為半導體產業不用我說大家都知道連路邊阿伯都知道說是我們台灣產業的重中之重影響數以萬計的工作機會真希望說部長你要趕快有一個應對方案不能被動等待\n\n08:41.431 --> 09:00.636\n看了今天的這個業務報告說實在我也有一點遺憾因為經濟部到目前沒有任何具體的規劃這整份報告能停留在貿易數據還有既有的補助方案其實呢稍顯籠統啦所以部長您覺得今天的報告您滿意嗎你覺得這有符合產業的期待這有符合民眾的期待嗎\n\n09:08.755 --> 09:32.668\n我現在呼籲部長啊這個232條款最大的不同就是說他有270天的調查程序那這個調查程序非常的細是不是也提供了我們很多溝通澄清的機會那這個時間長程序系的調查流程希望部長要指揮你的部會們你的這些員工們大家真的要趕快\n\n09:34.010 --> 09:39.101\n立起來趕快積極的在每一個階段都發揮影響力啊好不好\n\n09:41.018 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overtime那麼久我們是回到今天的這個主題上週白宮就引用這個232條宣布說針對半導體展開這個國安調查"},{"start":398.604,"end":426.042,"text":"那根據這個條款只要美方認定進口的產品對其國家安全造成威脅總統就能夠直接提高關稅限制配額那這件事情的嚴重性呢我想部長比誰都清楚因為台灣現在面對的是對等關稅跟232條款的雙重壓力那您上週已經說有這個模擬的情形可以透露一下目前最好跟最壞的情形分別是什麼嗎"},{"start":427.096,"end":441.541,"text":"包括現在是進行中很抱歉沒有辦法透露都沒有辦法講那你覺得最好的情形會是怎樣不變透露啦因為我要打什麼牌講出去到時候對不對他又拿來用我就就很難應用啦"},{"start":442.261,"end":448.963,"text":"那前面幾個委員跟本席的憂慮跟其他幾個委員都是一樣的因為川普政府的意圖就非常明顯了他想要把半跑體排除在對等關稅清單之外另立談判軌道嘛"},{"start":460.427,"end":466.99,"text":"那由於這個關稅的壓力促使生產基地往美國遷移啊然後進而實現他供應鏈內部化從奪這個產業的主導權部長您知道半導體產業佔台灣GDP的幾成嗎"},{"start":476.649,"end":493.283,"text":"半導體是定義在哪一個部分就半導體佔台灣GDP你不知道我告訴你18%那如果美國真的把這個產業都帶到美國去這個供應鏈內部化之後這樣子你有評估過會衝擊台灣GDP多少嗎"},{"start":497.762,"end":520.391,"text":"沒有那我建議你是不是可以指揮一下你們部裡面去評估一下因為本席真的很擔憂因為半導體產業不用我說大家都知道連路邊阿伯都知道說是我們台灣產業的重中之重影響數以萬計的工作機會真希望說部長你要趕快有一個應對方案不能被動等待"},{"start":521.431,"end":540.636,"text":"看了今天的這個業務報告說實在我也有一點遺憾因為經濟部到目前沒有任何具體的規劃這整份報告能停留在貿易數據還有既有的補助方案其實呢稍顯籠統啦所以部長您覺得今天的報告您滿意嗎你覺得這有符合產業的期待這有符合民眾的期待嗎"},{"start":548.755,"end":572.668,"text":"我現在呼籲部長啊這個232條款最大的不同就是說他有270天的調查程序那這個調查程序非常的細是不是也提供了我們很多溝通澄清的機會那這個時間長程序系的調查流程希望部長要指揮你的部會們你的這些員工們大家真的要趕快"},{"start":574.01,"end":579.101,"text":"立起來趕快積極的在每一個階段都發揮影響力啊 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