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--> 00:00:15,622\n謝謝主席財政部理事長是不是請理事長\n\n2\n00:00:20,602 --> 00:00:46,672\n好請次長市長早我請問你因為針對今天會議修法的內容財政部說因為近來美國正與各國來進行對等關稅的談判內容可能涉及非關稅壁壘建議是後續的談判的狀況再擬定整個汽車貨物稅率的調整方向以免減損台灣可能的談判籌碼\n\n3\n00:00:50,614 --> 00:01:09,873\n那我請問哪些非關稅壁壘是雙方會觸及的條件各位報告就是涉及到本部的部分可能就是剛才提到的汽車貨物稅還有就是美方也關切那個就是酒稅的部分本部業務的部分對\n\n4\n00:01:11,445 --> 00:01:34,724\n那個次長非關稅壁壘的貿易保護恐怕還比關稅壁壘更針對性那保護會更強烈那我請問你認為像我們中華民國這個台灣啦算是也是小國啦有機會採取非關稅壁壘條件當作美台關稅談判的籌碼嗎\n\n5\n00:01:37,932 --> 00:01:54,321\n這個就是當然基本上目前就是我們跟美國美方在對等關稅的談判方面我們也會去就這個美方所提出來的他認為是非關稅壁壘的部分我們會研議相關的這個處理方式還是美國掌握更多非關稅壁壘的籌碼讓台灣\n\n6\n00:02:00,865 --> 00:02:07,213\n國內的貨物稅有可能發生不調降反而調升的可能會不會這樣子\n\n7\n00:02:09,657 --> 00:02:36,546\n基本上應該是跟委員報告調升的可能性應該是不太可能發生調升的可能性因為因為目前我們的貨物稅相對來講是因為貨物稅的課徵是針對國內外的汽車產車都一樣會課稅那基本上目前我們的貨物稅來看的話是相對美國來講他如果加上關稅的話我們的進口的這個成本是\n\n8\n00:02:37,406 --> 00:02:54,391\n稅負是比較稍微評估起來是稍微有點略高的那個次長因為今天會議討論貨物稅條例尤其是汽車貨物稅的問題更是許多人想了解的不過台灣進口車還有關稅17.5%那本席認為恐怕也是電高國內進口車\n\n9\n00:03:01,553 --> 00:03:16,945\n這個售價的關鍵因為我國進口車關稅甚至於比其他國家還要高那我請問次長進口車稅制問題你認為政府是不是應該要通盤的檢討有沒有必要\n\n10\n00:03:17,725 --> 00:03:23,287\n是報告委員其實當然這次我們也會並同關稅還有貨物稅部分有關汽車的稅負部分我們會一併來做考量那在這邊也跟委員報告因為汽車的關稅是我們加入WTO的入會承諾那一開始的時候我們是29%的稅率那分10年逐年調降到現在17.5%那稅率已經維持到現在那因為調降這個關稅呢會要考量到國內產業的政策\n\n11\n00:03:45,336 --> 00:03:49,739\n那我國車輛產業目前也是正考慮燃油車轉型電動車的關鍵時刻所以如果是調降或者是取消的話可能會有國產車廠或者是零組件廠商這個生計是不是有車廠的問題也會影響我們的產值還有相關從業人員的生計所以這部分我們產業主管機關目前也在做審慎的評估\n\n12\n00:04:11,272 --> 00:04:32,676\n那為了要希望能夠讓我們的國產車的競爭力跟研發技術能量能夠維持市長為了增加台灣民眾對美國汽車的購買美國極可能施壓我們政府要調降整個汽車的關稅那我請問市長台美關稅談判時如果涉及國內進口車關稅你認為稅率有沒有調降的空間\n\n13\n00:04:38,618 --> 00:04:51,714\n這個部分其實我們目前財政部的立場就是我們提供所有的這些我們目前課徵關稅的一些數據還有就是從美國進口車的這些數量我們提供給我們行政院經貿談判辦公室來一併作為談判的考量\n\n14\n00:04:55,457 --> 00:05:13,146\n市長對於是我調降汽車關稅貨物稅財政部在上個禮拜行政院院會後記者會中表示關稅調降涉及相關產業政策與產業發展需和經濟部來做通盤檢討那我請問部長請問市長汽車貨物稅調降是不是也要和經濟部來做通盤的考量\n\n15\n00:05:24,519 --> 00:05:30,492\n是的委員因為這個部分都涉及到我們對於國內產業的發展所以我們一定會配合產業主管機關一併來做審慎的評估\n\n16\n00:05:32,694 --> 00:05:57,243\n那財政部有沒有主導來決定就可以有沒有必要一定非得跟經濟部來做一些通盤的考量包委因為我們目前貨物稅的政策很多都是除了財政收入之外很多都配合產業主管機關的政策還有環保以及節能的政策所以當貨物稅的稅率要不要調整的時候我們都會跟這些產業主管機關來做詳細的評估跟討論的\n\n17\n00:06:00,087 --> 00:06:22,725\n還是要等待政府跟美國關稅談判後才能夠做最後的決定當然這也是必要的那個次長如果根據去年底經濟部提交立法院的小客車進口關稅稅率調降稅市支出的評估報告調降小客車啊\n\n18\n00:06:24,247 --> 00:06:30,174\n關稅是零那如果關稅不調降那麼進口汽車貨物稅\n\n19\n00:06:32,319 --> 00:07:00,794\n調降於火財政部是不是也是鐵板一塊沒得談是不是這樣子跟委員報告其實我們今天在我們的報告裡面已經有提到就是說因為這次剛好碰到那個美國對等關稅的問題所以這可能就是我們會列為就是談判過程當中一個重要的研議方案那我們只是覺得暫時這個部分希望能夠等到後續談判的狀況我們再來做看看要怎麼樣調整再來跟主管機關來配合調整\n\n20\n00:07:02,595 --> 00:07:22,966\n知名的半導體分析師表示從川普政府的動作看起來以後有機會買便宜的美國各種產品以及美國電動車他更好奇歐盟跟日本會不會看到美國這樣也學著來要求台灣關稅來對等一下\n\n21\n00:07:25,928 --> 00:07:50,996\n那讓我們有機會可以買便宜的歐洲日本的國民車你認為可不可能因為關稅的談判他基本上可以就是採用國對國之間的談判但是貨物稅的部分就比較有發生這種可能性因為我們貨物稅的課程是不論是來自哪個國家如果我們調降就是所有的來自進口的不管哪個國家的貨物稅都是同樣的調降\n\n22\n00:07:53,397 --> 00:08:10,667\n你認為川普關稅政策的演變有沒有造成其他外國來仿效整個關稅談判的可能性你認為有沒有可能這個當然是要看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣發展是不是有這個必要性可能我們要再\n\n23\n00:08:11,627 --> 00:08:25,763\n那你認為這個關稅談判的結果帶來的會是消費者受益的價格實惠還是消費者受害的產業壟斷下的價格這個托拉斯化\n\n24\n00:08:27,083 --> 00:08:37,529\n我覺得這個可能要看就是真正的結果的影響還有就是它調整的幅度那因為不僅是對消費者的影響也對我們國內的產業會造成影響所以它應該是要整體來做一個評估跟觀察的\n\n25\n00:08:43,598 --> 00:09:04,135\n李市長是隨著台紐經濟合作的協定全面生效從2025年起台灣全面開放紐西蘭牛奶零關稅進口那市長以目前紐西蘭進口牛奶市價這個售啊一公升的每瓶還要價格120元喔\n\n26\n00:09:05,896 --> 00:09:24,064\n那業務通路價格也沒有調降那如果以紐西蘭鮮奶當地售價一公升只有38元來看請問你認為國內進口商通路商銷售商誰可能賺走中間的差價\n\n27\n00:09:26,045 --> 00:09:42,259\n關於這個紐西蘭牛奶這個目前的價格的問題因為其實當然這個部分不是我們財政部主政業務但是我們也是在那個行政院他已經有成立一個穩定物價小組那我們也是跟經濟部農業部法務部公平會還有國發會我們會一起來盤點檢視這個相關物資變動的情形那這個部分我們也會密切的來做相關的監控\n\n28\n00:09:53,228 --> 00:10:11,561\n市長那些物價穩定小組幾乎是零沒有用的小組為什麼因為站在消費者立場那個市長你會不會好奇便宜的紐西蘭的牛奶在哪裡嗎對不對因為他裡面其實他只有進口來的只有38\n\n29\n00:10:13,102 --> 00:10:27,370\n元一公升喔但是來到這裡120元這個中間層層的剝削根本沒有到消費者身上那個乳業協會表示進口紐西蘭主要市場為業務通路啊\n\n30\n00:10:27,910 --> 00:10:57,074\n那銷往坊間手搖飲飲料咖啡或飯店等業者那零售市場則持續走高價的路線所以說商家能用約差不多60元價格買進紐西蘭的鮮乳那民眾去市售買紐西蘭卻要花上百元站在業者的角度如果消費者願意買單為何要降價那政府監督機制自然也就\n\n31\n00:10:58,773 --> 00:11:25,483\n不會有反應所以說那個請問市長你認為紐西蘭牛奶零關稅會不會打擊國內整個本土的一些乳酪的這些農業如果會的話你認為政府應該要怎麼做因為目前掌握進口牛奶價格的決定權創造出離譜價格的進口商和通路商決定權在他們財政部是不是要主動\n\n32\n00:11:26,623 --> 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請次長市長早我請問你因為針對今天會議修法的內容財政部說因為近來美國正與各國來進行對等關稅的談判內容可能涉及非關稅壁壘建議是後續的談判的狀況再擬定整個汽車貨物稅率的調整方向以免減損台灣可能的談判籌碼\n50614\t69873\t那我請問哪些非關稅壁壘是雙方會觸及的條件各位報告就是涉及到本部的部分可能就是剛才提到的汽車貨物稅還有就是美方也關切那個就是酒稅的部分本部業務的部分對\n71445\t94724\t那個次長非關稅壁壘的貿易保護恐怕還比關稅壁壘更針對性那保護會更強烈那我請問你認為像我們中華民國這個台灣啦算是也是小國啦有機會採取非關稅壁壘條件當作美台關稅談判的籌碼嗎\n97932\t114321\t這個就是當然基本上目前就是我們跟美國美方在對等關稅的談判方面我們也會去就這個美方所提出來的他認為是非關稅壁壘的部分我們會研議相關的這個處理方式還是美國掌握更多非關稅壁壘的籌碼讓台灣\n120865\t127213\t國內的貨物稅有可能發生不調降反而調升的可能會不會這樣子\n129657\t156546\t基本上應該是跟委員報告調升的可能性應該是不太可能發生調升的可能性因為因為目前我們的貨物稅相對來講是因為貨物稅的課徵是針對國內外的汽車產車都一樣會課稅那基本上目前我們的貨物稅來看的話是相對美國來講他如果加上關稅的話我們的進口的這個成本是\n157406\t174391\t稅負是比較稍微評估起來是稍微有點略高的那個次長因為今天會議討論貨物稅條例尤其是汽車貨物稅的問題更是許多人想了解的不過台灣進口車還有關稅17.5%那本席認為恐怕也是電高國內進口車\n181553\t196945\t這個售價的關鍵因為我國進口車關稅甚至於比其他國家還要高那我請問次長進口車稅制問題你認為政府是不是應該要通盤的檢討有沒有必要\n197725\t203287\t是報告委員其實當然這次我們也會並同關稅還有貨物稅部分有關汽車的稅負部分我們會一併來做考量那在這邊也跟委員報告因為汽車的關稅是我們加入WTO的入會承諾那一開始的時候我們是29%的稅率那分10年逐年調降到現在17.5%那稅率已經維持到現在那因為調降這個關稅呢會要考量到國內產業的政策\n225336\t229739\t那我國車輛產業目前也是正考慮燃油車轉型電動車的關鍵時刻所以如果是調降或者是取消的話可能會有國產車廠或者是零組件廠商這個生計是不是有車廠的問題也會影響我們的產值還有相關從業人員的生計所以這部分我們產業主管機關目前也在做審慎的評估\n251272\t272676\t那為了要希望能夠讓我們的國產車的競爭力跟研發技術能量能夠維持市長為了增加台灣民眾對美國汽車的購買美國極可能施壓我們政府要調降整個汽車的關稅那我請問市長台美關稅談判時如果涉及國內進口車關稅你認為稅率有沒有調降的空間\n278618\t291714\t這個部分其實我們目前財政部的立場就是我們提供所有的這些我們目前課徵關稅的一些數據還有就是從美國進口車的這些數量我們提供給我們行政院經貿談判辦公室來一併作為談判的考量\n295457\t313146\t市長對於是我調降汽車關稅貨物稅財政部在上個禮拜行政院院會後記者會中表示關稅調降涉及相關產業政策與產業發展需和經濟部來做通盤檢討那我請問部長 請問市長汽車貨物稅調降是不是也要和經濟部來做通盤的考量\n324519\t330492\t是的委員因為這個部分都涉及到我們對於國內產業的發展所以我們一定會配合產業主管機關一併來做審慎的評估\n332694\t357243\t那財政部有沒有主導來決定就可以有沒有必要一定非得跟經濟部來做一些通盤的考量包委因為我們目前貨物稅的政策很多都是除了財政收入之外很多都配合產業主管機關的政策還有環保以及節能的政策所以當貨物稅的稅率要不要調整的時候我們都會跟這些產業主管機關來做詳細的評估跟討論的\n360087\t382725\t還是要等待政府跟美國關稅談判後才能夠做最後的決定當然這也是必要的那個次長如果根據去年底經濟部提交立法院的小客車進口關稅稅率調降稅市支出的評估報告調降小客車啊\n384247\t390174\t關稅是零那如果關稅不調降那麼進口汽車貨物稅\n392319\t420794\t調降於火財政部是不是也是鐵板一塊沒得談是不是這樣子跟委員報告其實我們今天在我們的報告裡面已經有提到就是說因為這次剛好碰到那個美國對等關稅的問題所以這可能就是我們會列為就是談判過程當中一個重要的研議方案那我們只是覺得暫時這個部分希望能夠等到後續談判的狀況我們再來做看看要怎麼樣調整再來跟主管機關來配合調整\n422595\t442966\t知名的半導體分析師表示從川普政府的動作看起來以後有機會買便宜的美國各種產品以及美國電動車他更好奇歐盟跟日本會不會看到美國這樣也學著來要求台灣關稅來對等一下\n445928\t470996\t那讓我們有機會可以買便宜的歐洲日本的國民車你認為可不可能因為關稅的談判他基本上可以就是採用國對國之間的談判但是貨物稅的部分就比較有發生這種可能性因為我們貨物稅的課程是不論是來自哪個國家如果我們調降就是所有的來自進口的不管哪個國家的貨物稅都是同樣的調降\n473397\t490667\t你認為川普關稅政策的演變有沒有造成其他外國來仿效整個關稅談判的可能性你認為有沒有可能這個當然是要看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣發展是不是有這個必要性可能我們要再\n491627\t505763\t那你認為這個關稅談判的結果帶來的會是消費者受益的價格實惠還是消費者受害的產業壟斷下的價格這個托拉斯化\n507083\t517529\t我覺得這個可能要看就是真正的結果的影響還有就是它調整的幅度那因為不僅是對消費者的影響也對我們國內的產業會造成影響所以它應該是要整體來做一個評估跟觀察的\n523598\t544135\t李市長 是隨著台紐經濟合作的協定全面生效從2025年起台灣全面開放紐西蘭牛奶零關稅進口那市長以目前紐西蘭進口牛奶市價這個售啊一公升的每瓶還要價格120元喔\n545896\t564064\t那業務通路價格也沒有調降那如果以紐西蘭鮮奶當地售價一公升只有38元來看請問你認為國內進口商 通路商 銷售商誰可能賺走中間的差價\n566045\t582259\t關於這個紐西蘭牛奶這個目前的價格的問題因為其實當然這個部分不是我們財政部主政業務但是我們也是在那個行政院他已經有成立一個穩定物價小組那我們也是跟經濟部農業部法務部公平會還有國發會我們會一起來盤點檢視這個相關物資變動的情形那這個部分我們也會密切的來做相關的監控\n593228\t611561\t市長那些物價穩定小組幾乎是零沒有用的小組為什麼因為站在消費者立場那個市長你會不會好奇便宜的紐西蘭的牛奶在哪裡嗎對不對因為他裡面其實他只有進口來的只有38\n613102\t627370\t元一公升喔但是來到這裡120元這個中間層層的剝削根本沒有到消費者身上那個乳業協會表示進口紐西蘭主要市場為業務通路啊\n627910\t657074\t那銷往坊間手搖飲飲料咖啡或飯店等業者那零售市場則持續走高價的路線所以說商家能用約差不多60元價格買進紐西蘭的鮮乳那民眾去市售買紐西蘭卻要花上百元站在業者的角度如果消費者願意買單為何要降價那政府監督機制自然也就\n658773\t685483\t不會有反應所以說那個請問市長你認為紐西蘭牛奶零關稅會不會打擊國內整個本土的一些乳酪的這些農業如果會的話你認為政府應該要怎麼做因為目前掌握進口牛奶價格的決定權創造出離譜價格的進口商和通路商決定權在他們財政部是不是要主動\n686623\t708840\t來用稅務的方面來稽查因為紐西蘭牛奶的主要市場是業務通路包括手搖飲、咖啡、換店換句話說民間商家使用牛奶的商品成本降低那你認為消費者有可能享受到這些降低的成果嗎沒有啊 對不對還是要變成商家的差價利潤\n709901\t712645\t這個部分我們其實真的會跟行政院所成立的這個跨部會的聯合稽查小組我們一起來做相關的查核而且有關於這個主政的機關農業部他們也會在這個部分對於國內的產業看提供什麼樣的輔助\n726624\t740839\t那個真的沒有落實啊你看38塊一公升到那個消費者身上120塊啊你說零關稅 零關稅在哪裡我認為這個要好好的去查中間商剝削太嚴重 以上好 謝謝林德烏委員的資訊下一位請吳秉內委員資訊\n","txt":"謝謝主席財政部理事長是不是請理事長\n好 請次長市長早我請問你因為針對今天會議修法的內容財政部說因為近來美國正與各國來進行對等關稅的談判內容可能涉及非關稅壁壘建議是後續的談判的狀況再擬定整個汽車貨物稅率的調整方向以免減損台灣可能的談判籌碼\n那我請問哪些非關稅壁壘是雙方會觸及的條件各位報告就是涉及到本部的部分可能就是剛才提到的汽車貨物稅還有就是美方也關切那個就是酒稅的部分本部業務的部分對\n那個次長非關稅壁壘的貿易保護恐怕還比關稅壁壘更針對性那保護會更強烈那我請問你認為像我們中華民國這個台灣啦算是也是小國啦有機會採取非關稅壁壘條件當作美台關稅談判的籌碼嗎\n這個就是當然基本上目前就是我們跟美國美方在對等關稅的談判方面我們也會去就這個美方所提出來的他認為是非關稅壁壘的部分我們會研議相關的這個處理方式還是美國掌握更多非關稅壁壘的籌碼讓台灣\n國內的貨物稅有可能發生不調降反而調升的可能會不會這樣子\n基本上應該是跟委員報告調升的可能性應該是不太可能發生調升的可能性因為因為目前我們的貨物稅相對來講是因為貨物稅的課徵是針對國內外的汽車產車都一樣會課稅那基本上目前我們的貨物稅來看的話是相對美國來講他如果加上關稅的話我們的進口的這個成本是\n稅負是比較稍微評估起來是稍微有點略高的那個次長因為今天會議討論貨物稅條例尤其是汽車貨物稅的問題更是許多人想了解的不過台灣進口車還有關稅17.5%那本席認為恐怕也是電高國內進口車\n這個售價的關鍵因為我國進口車關稅甚至於比其他國家還要高那我請問次長進口車稅制問題你認為政府是不是應該要通盤的檢討有沒有必要\n是報告委員其實當然這次我們也會並同關稅還有貨物稅部分有關汽車的稅負部分我們會一併來做考量那在這邊也跟委員報告因為汽車的關稅是我們加入WTO的入會承諾那一開始的時候我們是29%的稅率那分10年逐年調降到現在17.5%那稅率已經維持到現在那因為調降這個關稅呢會要考量到國內產業的政策\n那我國車輛產業目前也是正考慮燃油車轉型電動車的關鍵時刻所以如果是調降或者是取消的話可能會有國產車廠或者是零組件廠商這個生計是不是有車廠的問題也會影響我們的產值還有相關從業人員的生計所以這部分我們產業主管機關目前也在做審慎的評估\n那為了要希望能夠讓我們的國產車的競爭力跟研發技術能量能夠維持市長為了增加台灣民眾對美國汽車的購買美國極可能施壓我們政府要調降整個汽車的關稅那我請問市長台美關稅談判時如果涉及國內進口車關稅你認為稅率有沒有調降的空間\n這個部分其實我們目前財政部的立場就是我們提供所有的這些我們目前課徵關稅的一些數據還有就是從美國進口車的這些數量我們提供給我們行政院經貿談判辦公室來一併作為談判的考量\n市長對於是我調降汽車關稅貨物稅財政部在上個禮拜行政院院會後記者會中表示關稅調降涉及相關產業政策與產業發展需和經濟部來做通盤檢討那我請問部長 請問市長汽車貨物稅調降是不是也要和經濟部來做通盤的考量\n是的委員因為這個部分都涉及到我們對於國內產業的發展所以我們一定會配合產業主管機關一併來做審慎的評估\n那財政部有沒有主導來決定就可以有沒有必要一定非得跟經濟部來做一些通盤的考量包委因為我們目前貨物稅的政策很多都是除了財政收入之外很多都配合產業主管機關的政策還有環保以及節能的政策所以當貨物稅的稅率要不要調整的時候我們都會跟這些產業主管機關來做詳細的評估跟討論的\n還是要等待政府跟美國關稅談判後才能夠做最後的決定當然這也是必要的那個次長如果根據去年底經濟部提交立法院的小客車進口關稅稅率調降稅市支出的評估報告調降小客車啊\n關稅是零那如果關稅不調降那麼進口汽車貨物稅\n調降於火財政部是不是也是鐵板一塊沒得談是不是這樣子跟委員報告其實我們今天在我們的報告裡面已經有提到就是說因為這次剛好碰到那個美國對等關稅的問題所以這可能就是我們會列為就是談判過程當中一個重要的研議方案那我們只是覺得暫時這個部分希望能夠等到後續談判的狀況我們再來做看看要怎麼樣調整再來跟主管機關來配合調整\n知名的半導體分析師表示從川普政府的動作看起來以後有機會買便宜的美國各種產品以及美國電動車他更好奇歐盟跟日本會不會看到美國這樣也學著來要求台灣關稅來對等一下\n那讓我們有機會可以買便宜的歐洲日本的國民車你認為可不可能因為關稅的談判他基本上可以就是採用國對國之間的談判但是貨物稅的部分就比較有發生這種可能性因為我們貨物稅的課程是不論是來自哪個國家如果我們調降就是所有的來自進口的不管哪個國家的貨物稅都是同樣的調降\n你認為川普關稅政策的演變有沒有造成其他外國來仿效整個關稅談判的可能性你認為有沒有可能這個當然是要看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣發展是不是有這個必要性可能我們要再\n那你認為這個關稅談判的結果帶來的會是消費者受益的價格實惠還是消費者受害的產業壟斷下的價格這個托拉斯化\n我覺得這個可能要看就是真正的結果的影響還有就是它調整的幅度那因為不僅是對消費者的影響也對我們國內的產業會造成影響所以它應該是要整體來做一個評估跟觀察的\n李市長 是隨著台紐經濟合作的協定全面生效從2025年起台灣全面開放紐西蘭牛奶零關稅進口那市長以目前紐西蘭進口牛奶市價這個售啊一公升的每瓶還要價格120元喔\n那業務通路價格也沒有調降那如果以紐西蘭鮮奶當地售價一公升只有38元來看請問你認為國內進口商 通路商 銷售商誰可能賺走中間的差價\n關於這個紐西蘭牛奶這個目前的價格的問題因為其實當然這個部分不是我們財政部主政業務但是我們也是在那個行政院他已經有成立一個穩定物價小組那我們也是跟經濟部農業部法務部公平會還有國發會我們會一起來盤點檢視這個相關物資變動的情形那這個部分我們也會密切的來做相關的監控\n市長那些物價穩定小組幾乎是零沒有用的小組為什麼因為站在消費者立場那個市長你會不會好奇便宜的紐西蘭的牛奶在哪裡嗎對不對因為他裡面其實他只有進口來的只有38\n元一公升喔但是來到這裡120元這個中間層層的剝削根本沒有到消費者身上那個乳業協會表示進口紐西蘭主要市場為業務通路啊\n那銷往坊間手搖飲飲料咖啡或飯店等業者那零售市場則持續走高價的路線所以說商家能用約差不多60元價格買進紐西蘭的鮮乳那民眾去市售買紐西蘭卻要花上百元站在業者的角度如果消費者願意買單為何要降價那政府監督機制自然也就\n不會有反應所以說那個請問市長你認為紐西蘭牛奶零關稅會不會打擊國內整個本土的一些乳酪的這些農業如果會的話你認為政府應該要怎麼做因為目前掌握進口牛奶價格的決定權創造出離譜價格的進口商和通路商決定權在他們財政部是不是要主動\n來用稅務的方面來稽查因為紐西蘭牛奶的主要市場是業務通路包括手搖飲、咖啡、換店換句話說民間商家使用牛奶的商品成本降低那你認為消費者有可能享受到這些降低的成果嗎沒有啊 對不對還是要變成商家的差價利潤\n這個部分我們其實真的會跟行政院所成立的這個跨部會的聯合稽查小組我們一起來做相關的查核而且有關於這個主政的機關農業部他們也會在這個部分對於國內的產業看提供什麼樣的輔助\n那個真的沒有落實啊你看38塊一公升到那個消費者身上120塊啊你說零關稅 零關稅在哪裡我認為這個要好好的去查中間商剝削太嚴重 以上好 謝謝林德烏委員的資訊下一位請吳秉內委員資訊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.372 --> 00:15.622\n謝謝主席財政部理事長是不是請理事長\n\n00:20.602 --> 00:46.672\n好請次長市長早我請問你因為針對今天會議修法的內容財政部說因為近來美國正與各國來進行對等關稅的談判內容可能涉及非關稅壁壘建議是後續的談判的狀況再擬定整個汽車貨物稅率的調整方向以免減損台灣可能的談判籌碼\n\n00:50.614 --> 01:09.873\n那我請問哪些非關稅壁壘是雙方會觸及的條件各位報告就是涉及到本部的部分可能就是剛才提到的汽車貨物稅還有就是美方也關切那個就是酒稅的部分本部業務的部分對\n\n01:11.445 --> 01:34.724\n那個次長非關稅壁壘的貿易保護恐怕還比關稅壁壘更針對性那保護會更強烈那我請問你認為像我們中華民國這個台灣啦算是也是小國啦有機會採取非關稅壁壘條件當作美台關稅談判的籌碼嗎\n\n01:37.932 --> 01:54.321\n這個就是當然基本上目前就是我們跟美國美方在對等關稅的談判方面我們也會去就這個美方所提出來的他認為是非關稅壁壘的部分我們會研議相關的這個處理方式還是美國掌握更多非關稅壁壘的籌碼讓台灣\n\n02:00.865 --> 02:07.213\n國內的貨物稅有可能發生不調降反而調升的可能會不會這樣子\n\n02:09.657 --> 02:36.546\n基本上應該是跟委員報告調升的可能性應該是不太可能發生調升的可能性因為因為目前我們的貨物稅相對來講是因為貨物稅的課徵是針對國內外的汽車產車都一樣會課稅那基本上目前我們的貨物稅來看的話是相對美國來講他如果加上關稅的話我們的進口的這個成本是\n\n02:37.406 --> 02:54.391\n稅負是比較稍微評估起來是稍微有點略高的那個次長因為今天會議討論貨物稅條例尤其是汽車貨物稅的問題更是許多人想了解的不過台灣進口車還有關稅17.5%那本席認為恐怕也是電高國內進口車\n\n03:01.553 --> 03:16.945\n這個售價的關鍵因為我國進口車關稅甚至於比其他國家還要高那我請問次長進口車稅制問題你認為政府是不是應該要通盤的檢討有沒有必要\n\n03:17.725 --> 03:23.287\n是報告委員其實當然這次我們也會並同關稅還有貨物稅部分有關汽車的稅負部分我們會一併來做考量那在這邊也跟委員報告因為汽車的關稅是我們加入WTO的入會承諾那一開始的時候我們是29%的稅率那分10年逐年調降到現在17.5%那稅率已經維持到現在那因為調降這個關稅呢會要考量到國內產業的政策\n\n03:45.336 --> 03:49.739\n那我國車輛產業目前也是正考慮燃油車轉型電動車的關鍵時刻所以如果是調降或者是取消的話可能會有國產車廠或者是零組件廠商這個生計是不是有車廠的問題也會影響我們的產值還有相關從業人員的生計所以這部分我們產業主管機關目前也在做審慎的評估\n\n04:11.272 --> 04:32.676\n那為了要希望能夠讓我們的國產車的競爭力跟研發技術能量能夠維持市長為了增加台灣民眾對美國汽車的購買美國極可能施壓我們政府要調降整個汽車的關稅那我請問市長台美關稅談判時如果涉及國內進口車關稅你認為稅率有沒有調降的空間\n\n04:38.618 --> 04:51.714\n這個部分其實我們目前財政部的立場就是我們提供所有的這些我們目前課徵關稅的一些數據還有就是從美國進口車的這些數量我們提供給我們行政院經貿談判辦公室來一併作為談判的考量\n\n04:55.457 --> 05:13.146\n市長對於是我調降汽車關稅貨物稅財政部在上個禮拜行政院院會後記者會中表示關稅調降涉及相關產業政策與產業發展需和經濟部來做通盤檢討那我請問部長請問市長汽車貨物稅調降是不是也要和經濟部來做通盤的考量\n\n05:24.519 --> 05:30.492\n是的委員因為這個部分都涉及到我們對於國內產業的發展所以我們一定會配合產業主管機關一併來做審慎的評估\n\n05:32.694 --> 05:57.243\n那財政部有沒有主導來決定就可以有沒有必要一定非得跟經濟部來做一些通盤的考量包委因為我們目前貨物稅的政策很多都是除了財政收入之外很多都配合產業主管機關的政策還有環保以及節能的政策所以當貨物稅的稅率要不要調整的時候我們都會跟這些產業主管機關來做詳細的評估跟討論的\n\n06:00.087 --> 06:22.725\n還是要等待政府跟美國關稅談判後才能夠做最後的決定當然這也是必要的那個次長如果根據去年底經濟部提交立法院的小客車進口關稅稅率調降稅市支出的評估報告調降小客車啊\n\n06:24.247 --> 06:30.174\n關稅是零那如果關稅不調降那麼進口汽車貨物稅\n\n06:32.319 --> 07:00.794\n調降於火財政部是不是也是鐵板一塊沒得談是不是這樣子跟委員報告其實我們今天在我們的報告裡面已經有提到就是說因為這次剛好碰到那個美國對等關稅的問題所以這可能就是我們會列為就是談判過程當中一個重要的研議方案那我們只是覺得暫時這個部分希望能夠等到後續談判的狀況我們再來做看看要怎麼樣調整再來跟主管機關來配合調整\n\n07:02.595 --> 07:22.966\n知名的半導體分析師表示從川普政府的動作看起來以後有機會買便宜的美國各種產品以及美國電動車他更好奇歐盟跟日本會不會看到美國這樣也學著來要求台灣關稅來對等一下\n\n07:25.928 --> 07:50.996\n那讓我們有機會可以買便宜的歐洲日本的國民車你認為可不可能因為關稅的談判他基本上可以就是採用國對國之間的談判但是貨物稅的部分就比較有發生這種可能性因為我們貨物稅的課程是不論是來自哪個國家如果我們調降就是所有的來自進口的不管哪個國家的貨物稅都是同樣的調降\n\n07:53.397 --> 08:10.667\n你認為川普關稅政策的演變有沒有造成其他外國來仿效整個關稅談判的可能性你認為有沒有可能這個當然是要看我們最後談判的結果是怎麼樣發展是不是有這個必要性可能我們要再\n\n08:11.627 --> 08:25.763\n那你認為這個關稅談判的結果帶來的會是消費者受益的價格實惠還是消費者受害的產業壟斷下的價格這個托拉斯化\n\n08:27.083 --> 08:37.529\n我覺得這個可能要看就是真正的結果的影響還有就是它調整的幅度那因為不僅是對消費者的影響也對我們國內的產業會造成影響所以它應該是要整體來做一個評估跟觀察的\n\n08:43.598 --> 09:04.135\n李市長是隨著台紐經濟合作的協定全面生效從2025年起台灣全面開放紐西蘭牛奶零關稅進口那市長以目前紐西蘭進口牛奶市價這個售啊一公升的每瓶還要價格120元喔\n\n09:05.896 --> 09:24.064\n那業務通路價格也沒有調降那如果以紐西蘭鮮奶當地售價一公升只有38元來看請問你認為國內進口商通路商銷售商誰可能賺走中間的差價\n\n09:26.045 --> 09:42.259\n關於這個紐西蘭牛奶這個目前的價格的問題因為其實當然這個部分不是我們財政部主政業務但是我們也是在那個行政院他已經有成立一個穩定物價小組那我們也是跟經濟部農業部法務部公平會還有國發會我們會一起來盤點檢視這個相關物資變動的情形那這個部分我們也會密切的來做相關的監控\n\n09:53.228 --> 10:11.561\n市長那些物價穩定小組幾乎是零沒有用的小組為什麼因為站在消費者立場那個市長你會不會好奇便宜的紐西蘭的牛奶在哪裡嗎對不對因為他裡面其實他只有進口來的只有38\n\n10:13.102 --> 10:27.370\n元一公升喔但是來到這裡120元這個中間層層的剝削根本沒有到消費者身上那個乳業協會表示進口紐西蘭主要市場為業務通路啊\n\n10:27.910 --> 10:57.074\n那銷往坊間手搖飲飲料咖啡或飯店等業者那零售市場則持續走高價的路線所以說商家能用約差不多60元價格買進紐西蘭的鮮乳那民眾去市售買紐西蘭卻要花上百元站在業者的角度如果消費者願意買單為何要降價那政府監督機制自然也就\n\n10:58.773 --> 11:25.483\n不會有反應所以說那個請問市長你認為紐西蘭牛奶零關稅會不會打擊國內整個本土的一些乳酪的這些農業如果會的話你認為政府應該要怎麼做因為目前掌握進口牛奶價格的決定權創造出離譜價格的進口商和通路商決定權在他們財政部是不是要主動\n\n11:26.623 --> 11:48.840\n來用稅務的方面來稽查因為紐西蘭牛奶的主要市場是業務通路包括手搖飲、咖啡、換店換句話說民間商家使用牛奶的商品成本降低那你認為消費者有可能享受到這些降低的成果嗎沒有啊對不對還是要變成商家的差價利潤\n\n11:49.901 --> 11:52.645\n這個部分我們其實真的會跟行政院所成立的這個跨部會的聯合稽查小組我們一起來做相關的查核而且有關於這個主政的機關農業部他們也會在這個部分對於國內的產業看提供什麼樣的輔助\n\n12:06.624 --> 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對不對還是要變成商家的差價利潤"},{"start":709.901,"end":712.645,"text":"這個部分我們其實真的會跟行政院所成立的這個跨部會的聯合稽查小組我們一起來做相關的查核而且有關於這個主政的機關農業部他們也會在這個部分對於國內的產業看提供什麼樣的輔助"},{"start":726.624,"end":740.839,"text":"那個真的沒有落實啊你看38塊一公升到那個消費者身上120塊啊你說零關稅 零關稅在哪裡我認為這個要好好的去查中間商剝削太嚴重 以上好 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