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00:00:45,269\n好部長我還是延續上次我的質詢在關稅談判如何要兼顧產業升級尤其在紅色產品的洗產地這件事情導入GS1兼顧產業升級那在這個您上次也講到說我們這個洗產地當中你們有四個策略監測貿易量及高風險廠商第二個加嚴裁罰違規行為第三配合財政部加速調查反傾銷案件第四個加強對業者的宣傳\n\n3\n00:00:47,490 --> 00:01:10,704\n本席認為這個叫做態度積極但缺乏具體性所以經濟部提出的這四項方針本席認為是宣示意義是大於實質可執行力所以如何搭配可執行的產業方案若是解決了關稅談判的稀產地跟國安疑慮又可以兼顧產業升級我相信這是一個將危機\n\n4\n00:01:12,745 --> 00:01:39,293\n化為轉機的一個很重要的一個典範好這個GS1我不曉得部長在上次質詢之後您這邊有沒有去做了解這GS1呢其實您上次說這是只有全球是只有美國在推動這個從這個BARcode到QRcode還是有其他的國家那本席在確認全世界就只有他在推動\n\n5\n00:01:39,813 --> 00:01:43,117\n也只有他從我們的條碼到現在的QRcode這樣的一個組織那這個是一個1973年由美國統一代碼委員會建立的組織該系統擁有全球跨行業任何行業農業或者是我們的製造業等\n\n6\n00:01:59,276 --> 00:02:04,881\n跨行業的產品運輸單元資產及位置和服務的標示標準體系和資料交換標準的體系讓產品在全世界都能夠被掃描好試讀好這個組織它發動了2027年的時候它有一個計畫叫GS1Sunrise2027簡單的講也就是過往的時候我們是用這樣的一個這個八扣的\n\n7\n00:02:26,578 --> 00:02:31,162\n那現在呢我們進化到到QRcode那但是呢這兩件事情我的產品的產出到我要貼上這個Barcode或QRcode是兩道不同的程序未來這個Sumrise2027就是你的產品一出廠你的QRcode你的2D條碼已經進化到2D條碼全部烙印在上頭了\n\n8\n00:02:51,519 --> 00:03:11,979\n不會是兩道程序不會說產品出來我再貼產品出來是貼一個代碼然後出來之後我再貼另外一個代碼不會有這個事情所以洗產地這件事情在這個SUMMARY2027也就後年的時候他要全面啟動那在美國有幾個廠商也已經導入了不管是可口可熱我本期所了解的包括這個PNG寶橋\n\n9\n00:03:14,241 --> 00:03:21,327\n包括國內也有業者他們已審慎的評估他們要不要開始提早導入這樣的一個Summit2027所有的產品一出廠就烙印了這樣的QRCode而這QRCode當中裡面可以包含4000項的項目\n\n10\n00:03:31,815 --> 00:03:40,642\n清清楚楚那所以呢製造商務必要轉移傳統的條碼做好準備這不僅僅是技術更新它是一項重大的營運變更也會影響產品在整個生命周期的組成追蹤跟驗證這對於我們去談判當中如何去去確認我們的產品從台灣出去到美國的產品絕對沒有起產地的疑慮這個是一個很重要的一個\n\n11\n00:04:02,399 --> 00:04:17,800\n所以GS1他下面有一個叫做可追溯性的標準協助經濟組織和行業的設計者實施可追溯性他的可追溯性有三個第一個材料和零件的來源他可以預防洗產地\n\n12\n00:04:18,581 --> 00:04:32,604\n我剛才講了以前的材料和零件的來源跟你要貼上你的QRCode跟Barcode其實兩個程序的兩道工序的現在直接就烙印在上面了所以當然是可以預防稀產地第二個製造加工及運輸的過程歷史生產履歷運輸跟品質的訊息也都在這裡面第三個交付後的產品或服務的分配和位置不管你售後的追蹤包括招回\n\n13\n00:04:45,326 --> 00:04:48,447\n區域銷售等比如說好我們現在某某個車廠品牌發生了一個什麼事件我要召回你以前是要用人工現在你因為你這個廠商我從國外進口或我出口我出口1000輛我進口1000輛我所有的這些輛的八扣我全部出廠的時候都已經導應在上面了如果真要召回我全部主動通知給這些消費者\n\n14\n00:05:10,094 --> 00:05:29,490\n所以以民眾最有感的但是這些訊息我剛剛講這三個這些訊息包括售後追蹤招回區域銷售等這些資料等等目前在1D的條碼現行的機制是無法揭露的所以以民眾最有感的食安現行食品的1D的標示當中它只有賞味期\n\n15\n00:05:32,893 --> 00:05:40,277\n沒有製造日期製造日期要另外再打上去那另外需要冷藏的食品藥品的運輸的冷鏈過程的資料它是沒有被標示的這個我現在講的因為今天沒有農業部來我是講給國發會聽上次國發會的主委來的時候我說你要去做整合的\n\n16\n00:05:49,923 --> 00:06:15,056\n包括農業部經濟部等各部會所以呢包括廠商宣稱的非基改的這個黃豆但是他沒有完整的揭露這個是以民眾好我再上次呢在農業部當中講我講農業但是也是在講這個製造業同樣的理論我發給以吳國瑜來講如何避免稀產地我除了發給生產者的標章之外農產品本身的身份識別\n\n17\n00:06:15,876 --> 00:06:27,967\n才是最重要的防堵息產地我如果用農業經濟的角度我們累積種源所發展的生物資源也就是所謂的品種權你如果把這個品種權透過資訊的轉換成為有價值的生物資產所以好我這個上次農業部長一直講說我們面對這個中國的面對這個美國的關稅我說我台灣\n\n18\n00:06:42,020 --> 00:06:47,624\n要注意什麼我高雄要注意什麼我們就講到吳郭魚我們高雄在出口吳郭魚跟鱸魚的部分是大宗好那這個農業部長說我們這個要高端那你怎麼高端養殖所以你就是把你的品種權要導入你的品種權包括你的這個GS1的導入包括你的基因的定序整個成體出來之後你的DNA的巴扣出來之後你的魚\n\n19\n00:07:11,443 --> 00:07:31,099\n你燒到美國的時候好你看吳國瑜這邊左下角的基因好了這個海南安定Found3那個請我們請停止一下吧那個國發會請國發會起來好不好因為今天農業部沒有來那你就要代表來請高副主委GS1這東西這個副主委您聽過嗎\n\n20\n00:07:35,471 --> 00:07:51,160\n對我知道好那假設這個海南安定是中國的他又跟台灣的Farm3這個漁場基因是一樣的相似的但是台灣真的在做的是什麼台灣全聯系統的魚片全部都是基因Farm1245\n\n21\n00:07:52,541 --> 00:08:17,049\n所以我只要一出口我只要在這樣的一個GS1的體制之下我的DNA的八口一印出來這個基因是放1245根本不是放3就是表示這根本就是台灣MIT的馬上洗產地的疑慮馬上沒有所以解決洗產地這件事情可以要怎麼樣又可以達到產業價創\n\n22\n00:08:19,370 --> 00:08:43,683\n推這個GS1當中對製造業者來講我如何在現有的機制當中我的低碳節能我的良率提高我自然就是我的這個耗品就會減少那在這當中我透過我的這個GS1當中整個產銷履歷的建置運輸等等我就是在建置降低減碳了\n\n23\n00:08:44,764 --> 00:09:07,441\n不管是對經濟部或對農業部來講所以我現在就特別講農產品因為農產品很難做出架創工業的部分比較容易服務業也許但是就是在農產品的部分很少能夠做出架創所以我生產履歷跟GS1結合的結果將可以追溯從農產的生產者盤山運輸能力最終到民眾的\n\n24\n00:09:12,785 --> 00:09:19,410\n餐桌的新鮮食品完整的資訊共享可以提供整個供應鏈所以除了對等關稅的正正需求更可以證明食品安全而且透過這樣的國際組織的推動我們可以確保產業申請達到價值的產業價創\n\n25\n00:09:29,378 --> 00:09:43,831\n好新鮮食品的供應鏈當中的可追溯性會有這些也可以再增加這些訊息是目前現在的食品當中沒有辦法提供的譬如說我食品當中的新鮮食品的分類洗涤清潔冷凍保存以及產品的轉換這可以導入第二個義輔產品的標示跟過程的管理第三個每個產品列別的特定法規品質要求和認證以及最後廢棄物的處理\n\n26\n00:09:55,302 --> 00:09:59,644\n都在這裡面一個GS1當中有事件項目當中的導入之後完全的呈現所以我們可以提供我們自己農產品的MIT的品牌所以在這邊請經濟部\n\n27\n00:10:11,872 --> 00:10:15,015\n跟農業部農業部這邊你就請國發會你就代答因為你要去協調評估對美關稅貿易談判是否與GES-1Sunrise計畫他也叫後年全世界就來啟動了作為但是我們可以提早的來做這樣的準備\n\n28\n00:10:28,348 --> 00:10:52,533\n那作為這個稀產地的防範只要這個一導入全國一導入的話我們就完全沒有稀產地的問題了即使從中國到他的所謂中國到東南亞的國家東南亞國家再到美國你光是從中國出來的東西到東南亞任何國家他的產品鋼鐵來講好了或者是說任何一個產品出來他就要烙印在上頭了\n\n29\n00:10:53,633 --> 00:11:20,515\n所以海關的關稅單也都會看得到或者就叫佐施所以這個整個在稀產地的部分的整個就會我們在台灣就不會成為稀產地的一個被管制的國家所以經濟部評估結合GS1的Sumrise計畫結合你的產創平台低碳化及節能減排的方案推動產業升級這個郭部長這邊我要講的是你有沒有多花錢你沒有\n\n30\n00:11:21,817 --> 00:11:30,866\n這些全部都是你既有的你們針對中小企業以及中小微企業你們現有就在推低碳跟節能減排喔你們也要創創平台喔都在現有的計畫當中如果是跟低碳節能當中導入的這個GS1的\n\n31\n00:11:39,253 --> 00:11:49,196\n你就是現有的規劃你沒有增加預算那你農業部這邊那就要更細緻了你需要將產銷履歷經濟物種我本席一直強調的基因定序基因定序當中導入我的農產品當中結合了DNA的巴扣建立台灣農產農業生產品牌只要農業也可以有個MIT的品牌行銷全球實現農業升級價創部長跟這個副主委你們怎麼看\n\n32\n00:12:09,814 --> 00:12:21,501\n我們會深入評估深入評估那部長你可以講更清楚一點嗎因為上次您是對GS1商人你是說你們想內部了解那我不曉得你們了解的狀態是怎麼樣\n\n33\n00:12:24,668 --> 00:12:38,665\n這個對我們來講就是一個標準是不是因為這裡面要整個的推動當然我們要考慮很多時間、成本各方都是而且這個我們所了解是非常大的一個\n\n34\n00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:59,875\n架構就垂直跟水平都非常大所以這個來推短暫的期間是不是可以看到後年人家就要全部推動了後年他是全球的Sumrise2027就開始推動所以你要預先做準備因為未來對這本來就是要開始而且對於洗產地這邊你們在做談判我們會評估\n\n35\n00:13:01,854 --> 00:13:27,101\n好那這個國發會對於農業部的部分你們是不是要做個協調評估將這個產銷履歷本來就有但是還不夠在GS1跟經濟物種的這個DNA當中的導入變成我們自己的DNABarcode建立台灣農業生產品牌自己NIT的農業的生產品牌呢好我想我們國發會扮演跨部會協調的角色我們就這個部分我們會參考委員的意見好OK好謝謝好謝謝戴華\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t8679\t熊英委員之後休息10分鐘好有請部長\n18154\t45269\t好 部長我還是延續上次我的質詢在關稅談判如何要兼顧產業升級尤其在紅色產品的洗產地這件事情導入GS1兼顧產業升級那在這個您上次也講到說我們這個洗產地當中你們有四個策略監測貿易量及高風險廠商第二個加嚴裁罰違規行為第三配合財政部加速調查反傾銷案件第四個加強對業者的宣傳\n47490\t70704\t本席認為這個叫做態度積極但缺乏具體性所以經濟部提出的這四項方針本席認為是宣示意義是大於實質可執行力所以如何搭配可執行的產業方案若是解決了關稅談判的稀產地跟國安疑慮又可以兼顧產業升級我相信這是一個將危機\n72745\t99293\t化為轉機的一個很重要的一個典範好這個GS1我不曉得部長在上次質詢之後您這邊有沒有去做了解這GS1呢其實您上次說這是只有全球是只有美國在推動這個從這個BAR code到QR code還是有其他的國家那本席在確認全世界就只有他在推動\n99813\t103117\t也只有他從我們的條碼到現在的QR code這樣的一個組織那這個是一個1973年由美國統一代碼委員會建立的組織該系統擁有全球跨行業任何行業 農業或者是我們的製造業等\n119276\t124881\t跨行業的產品運輸單元資產及位置和服務的標示標準體系和資料交換標準的體系讓產品在全世界都能夠被掃描好 試讀好 這個組織它發動了2027年的時候它有一個計畫叫GS1 Sunrise 2027簡單的講也就是過往的時候我們是用這樣的一個這個八扣的\n146578\t151162\t那現在呢我們進化到到QR code那但是呢這兩件事情我的產品的產出到我要貼上這個Bar code或QR code是兩道不同的程序未來這個Sumrise 2027就是你的產品一出廠你的QR code你的2D條碼已經進化到2D條碼全部烙印在上頭了\n171519\t191979\t不會是兩道程序不會說產品出來我再貼產品出來是貼一個代碼然後出來之後我再貼另外一個代碼不會有這個事情所以洗產地這件事情在這個SUMMARY2027也就後年的時候他要全面啟動那在美國有幾個廠商也已經導入了不管是可口可熱我本期所了解的包括這個PNG寶橋\n194241\t201327\t包括國內也有業者他們已審慎的評估他們要不要開始提早導入這樣的一個Summit 2027所有的產品一出廠就烙印了這樣的QR Code而這QR Code當中裡面可以包含4000項的項目\n211815\t220642\t清清楚楚那所以呢製造商務必要轉移傳統的條碼做好準備這不僅僅是技術更新它是一項重大的營運變更也會影響產品在整個生命周期的組成追蹤跟驗證這對於我們去談判當中如何去去確認我們的產品從台灣出去到美國的產品絕對沒有起產地的疑慮這個是一個很重要的一個\n242399\t257800\t所以GS1他下面有一個叫做可追溯性的標準協助經濟組織和行業的設計者實施可追溯性他的可追溯性有三個第一個材料和零件的來源他可以預防洗產地\n258581\t272604\t我剛才講了 以前的材料和零件的來源 跟你要貼上你的QR Code跟Barcode其實兩個程序的 兩道工序的 現在直接就烙印在上面了所以當然是可以預防稀產地第二個 製造加工及運輸的過程歷史生產履歷 運輸跟品質的訊息也都在這裡面第三個 交付後的產品或服務的分配和位置不管你售後的追蹤 包括招回\n285326\t288447\t區域銷售等比如說好我們現在某某個車廠品牌發生了一個什麼事件我要召回你以前是要用人工現在你因為你這個廠商我從國外進口或我出口我出口1000輛我進口1000輛我所有的這些輛的八扣我全部出廠的時候都已經導應在上面了如果真要召回我全部主動通知給這些消費者\n310094\t329490\t所以以民眾最有感的 但是這些訊息 我剛剛講這三個這些訊息 包括售後追蹤 招回 區域銷售等這些資料等等目前在1D的條碼 現行的機制是無法揭露的所以以民眾最有感的食安現行食品的1D的標示當中 它只有賞味期\n332893\t340277\t沒有製造日期製造日期要另外再打上去那另外需要冷藏的食品藥品的運輸的冷鏈過程的資料它是沒有被標示的這個我現在講的因為今天沒有農業部來我是講給國發會聽上次國發會的主委來的時候我說你要去做整合的\n349923\t375056\t包括農業部經濟部等各部會所以呢包括廠商宣稱的非基改的這個黃豆但是他沒有完整的揭露這個是以民眾好我再上次呢在農業部當中講我講農業但是也是在講這個製造業同樣的理論我發給以吳國瑜來講如何避免稀產地我除了發給生產者的標章之外農產品本身的身份識別\n375876\t387967\t才是最重要的防堵息產地我如果用農業經濟的角度我們累積種源所發展的生物資源也就是所謂的品種權你如果把這個品種權透過資訊的轉換成為有價值的生物資產所以好我這個上次農業部長一直講說我們面對這個中國的面對這個美國的關稅我說我台灣\n402020\t407624\t要注意什麼我高雄要注意什麼我們就講到吳郭魚我們高雄在出口吳郭魚跟鱸魚的部分是大宗好那這個農業部長說我們這個要高端那你怎麼高端養殖所以你就是把你的品種權要導入你的品種權包括你的這個GS1的導入包括你的基因的定序整個成體出來之後你的DNA的巴扣出來之後你的魚\n431443\t451099\t你燒到美國的時候 好 你看吳國瑜這邊左下角的基因好了這個海南安定Found3那個請 我們請停止一下吧 那個國發會請國發會起來好不好因為今天農業部沒有來 那你就要代表來 請高副主委GS1這東西這個副主委您聽過嗎\n455471\t471160\t對我知道好那假設這個海南安定是中國的他又跟台灣的Farm3這個漁場基因是一樣的相似的但是台灣真的在做的是什麼台灣全聯系統的魚片全部都是基因Farm1 2 4 5\n472541\t497049\t所以我只要一出口我只要在這樣的一個GS1的體制之下我的DNA的八口一印出來這個基因是放1245根本不是放3就是表示這根本就是台灣MIT的馬上洗產地的疑慮馬上沒有所以解決洗產地這件事情可以要怎麼樣又可以達到產業價創\n499370\t523683\t推這個GS1當中對製造業者來講我如何在現有的機制當中我的低碳節能我的良率提高我自然就是我的這個耗品就會減少那在這當中我透過我的這個GS1當中整個產銷履歷的建置運輸等等我就是在建置降低減碳了\n524764\t547441\t不管是對經濟部或對農業部來講所以我現在就特別講農產品因為農產品很難做出架創工業的部分比較容易服務業也許但是就是在農產品的部分很少能夠做出架創所以我生產履歷跟GS1結合的結果將可以追溯從農產的生產者盤山運輸能力最終到民眾的\n552785\t559410\t餐桌的新鮮食品完整的資訊共享可以提供整個供應鏈所以除了對等關稅的正正需求更可以證明食品安全而且透過這樣的國際組織的推動我們可以確保產業申請達到價值的產業價創\n569378\t583831\t好新鮮食品的供應鏈當中的可追溯性會有這些也可以再增加這些訊息是目前現在的食品當中沒有辦法提供的譬如說我食品當中的新鮮食品的分類洗涤清潔冷凍保存以及產品的轉換這可以導入第二個義輔產品的標示跟過程的管理第三個每個產品列別的特定法規品質要求和認證以及最後廢棄物的處理\n595302\t599644\t都在這裡面一個GS1當中有事件項目當中的導入之後完全的呈現所以我們可以提供我們自己農產品的MIT的品牌所以在這邊請經濟部\n611872\t615015\t跟農業部 農業部這邊你就請國發會你就代答因為你要去協調評估對美關稅貿易談判是否與GES-1 Sunrise計畫他也叫後年全世界就來啟動了作為但是我們可以提早的來做這樣的準備\n628348\t652533\t那作為這個稀產地的防範只要這個一導入全國一導入的話我們就完全沒有稀產地的問題了即使從中國到他的所謂中國到東南亞的國家東南亞國家再到美國你光是從中國出來的東西到東南亞任何國家他的產品鋼鐵來講好了或者是說任何一個產品出來他就要烙印在上頭了\n653633\t680515\t所以海關的關稅單也都會看得到或者就叫佐施所以這個整個在稀產地的部分的整個就會我們在台灣就不會成為稀產地的一個被管制的國家所以經濟部評估結合GS1的Sumrise計畫結合你的產創平台低碳化及節能減排的方案推動產業升級這個郭部長這邊我要講的是 你有沒有多花錢 你沒有\n681817\t690866\t這些全部都是你既有的你們針對中小企業以及中小微企業你們現有就在推低碳跟節能減排喔你們也要創創平台喔都在現有的計畫當中如果是跟低碳節能當中導入的這個GS1的\n699253\t709196\t你就是現有的規劃你沒有增加預算那你農業部這邊那就要更細緻了你需要將產銷履歷 經濟物種我本席一直強調的基因定序基因定序當中導入我的農產品當中結合了DNA的巴扣建立台灣農產農業生產品牌只要農業也可以有個MIT的品牌行銷全球實現農業升級價創部長跟這個副主委你們怎麼看\n729814\t741501\t我們會深入評估深入評估那部長你可以講更清楚一點嗎因為上次您是對GS1商人你是說你們想內部了解那我不曉得你們了解的狀態是怎麼樣\n744668\t758665\t這個對我們來講就是一個標準是不是因為這裡面要整個的推動當然我們要考慮很多時間、成本各方都是而且這個我們所了解是非常大的一個\n760880\t779875\t架構就垂直跟水平都非常大所以這個來推短暫的期間是不是可以看到後年人家就要全部推動了後年他是全球的Sumrise2027就開始推動所以你要預先做準備因為未來對這本來就是要開始而且對於洗產地這邊你們在做談判我們會評估\n781854\t807101\t好 那這個國發會對於農業部的部分你們是不是要做個協調評估將這個產銷履歷本來就有但是還不夠在GS1跟經濟物種的這個DNA當中的導入變成我們自己的DNA Barcode建立台灣農業生產品牌自己NIT的農業的生產品牌呢好 我想我們國發會扮演跨部會協調的角色我們就這個部分我們會參考委員的意見好 OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝戴華\n","txt":"熊英委員之後休息10分鐘好有請部長\n好 部長我還是延續上次我的質詢在關稅談判如何要兼顧產業升級尤其在紅色產品的洗產地這件事情導入GS1兼顧產業升級那在這個您上次也講到說我們這個洗產地當中你們有四個策略監測貿易量及高風險廠商第二個加嚴裁罰違規行為第三配合財政部加速調查反傾銷案件第四個加強對業者的宣傳\n本席認為這個叫做態度積極但缺乏具體性所以經濟部提出的這四項方針本席認為是宣示意義是大於實質可執行力所以如何搭配可執行的產業方案若是解決了關稅談判的稀產地跟國安疑慮又可以兼顧產業升級我相信這是一個將危機\n化為轉機的一個很重要的一個典範好這個GS1我不曉得部長在上次質詢之後您這邊有沒有去做了解這GS1呢其實您上次說這是只有全球是只有美國在推動這個從這個BAR code到QR code還是有其他的國家那本席在確認全世界就只有他在推動\n也只有他從我們的條碼到現在的QR code這樣的一個組織那這個是一個1973年由美國統一代碼委員會建立的組織該系統擁有全球跨行業任何行業 農業或者是我們的製造業等\n跨行業的產品運輸單元資產及位置和服務的標示標準體系和資料交換標準的體系讓產品在全世界都能夠被掃描好 試讀好 這個組織它發動了2027年的時候它有一個計畫叫GS1 Sunrise 2027簡單的講也就是過往的時候我們是用這樣的一個這個八扣的\n那現在呢我們進化到到QR code那但是呢這兩件事情我的產品的產出到我要貼上這個Bar code或QR code是兩道不同的程序未來這個Sumrise 2027就是你的產品一出廠你的QR code你的2D條碼已經進化到2D條碼全部烙印在上頭了\n不會是兩道程序不會說產品出來我再貼產品出來是貼一個代碼然後出來之後我再貼另外一個代碼不會有這個事情所以洗產地這件事情在這個SUMMARY2027也就後年的時候他要全面啟動那在美國有幾個廠商也已經導入了不管是可口可熱我本期所了解的包括這個PNG寶橋\n包括國內也有業者他們已審慎的評估他們要不要開始提早導入這樣的一個Summit 2027所有的產品一出廠就烙印了這樣的QR Code而這QR Code當中裡面可以包含4000項的項目\n清清楚楚那所以呢製造商務必要轉移傳統的條碼做好準備這不僅僅是技術更新它是一項重大的營運變更也會影響產品在整個生命周期的組成追蹤跟驗證這對於我們去談判當中如何去去確認我們的產品從台灣出去到美國的產品絕對沒有起產地的疑慮這個是一個很重要的一個\n所以GS1他下面有一個叫做可追溯性的標準協助經濟組織和行業的設計者實施可追溯性他的可追溯性有三個第一個材料和零件的來源他可以預防洗產地\n我剛才講了 以前的材料和零件的來源 跟你要貼上你的QR Code跟Barcode其實兩個程序的 兩道工序的 現在直接就烙印在上面了所以當然是可以預防稀產地第二個 製造加工及運輸的過程歷史生產履歷 運輸跟品質的訊息也都在這裡面第三個 交付後的產品或服務的分配和位置不管你售後的追蹤 包括招回\n區域銷售等比如說好我們現在某某個車廠品牌發生了一個什麼事件我要召回你以前是要用人工現在你因為你這個廠商我從國外進口或我出口我出口1000輛我進口1000輛我所有的這些輛的八扣我全部出廠的時候都已經導應在上面了如果真要召回我全部主動通知給這些消費者\n所以以民眾最有感的 但是這些訊息 我剛剛講這三個這些訊息 包括售後追蹤 招回 區域銷售等這些資料等等目前在1D的條碼 現行的機制是無法揭露的所以以民眾最有感的食安現行食品的1D的標示當中 它只有賞味期\n沒有製造日期製造日期要另外再打上去那另外需要冷藏的食品藥品的運輸的冷鏈過程的資料它是沒有被標示的這個我現在講的因為今天沒有農業部來我是講給國發會聽上次國發會的主委來的時候我說你要去做整合的\n包括農業部經濟部等各部會所以呢包括廠商宣稱的非基改的這個黃豆但是他沒有完整的揭露這個是以民眾好我再上次呢在農業部當中講我講農業但是也是在講這個製造業同樣的理論我發給以吳國瑜來講如何避免稀產地我除了發給生產者的標章之外農產品本身的身份識別\n才是最重要的防堵息產地我如果用農業經濟的角度我們累積種源所發展的生物資源也就是所謂的品種權你如果把這個品種權透過資訊的轉換成為有價值的生物資產所以好我這個上次農業部長一直講說我們面對這個中國的面對這個美國的關稅我說我台灣\n要注意什麼我高雄要注意什麼我們就講到吳郭魚我們高雄在出口吳郭魚跟鱸魚的部分是大宗好那這個農業部長說我們這個要高端那你怎麼高端養殖所以你就是把你的品種權要導入你的品種權包括你的這個GS1的導入包括你的基因的定序整個成體出來之後你的DNA的巴扣出來之後你的魚\n你燒到美國的時候 好 你看吳國瑜這邊左下角的基因好了這個海南安定Found3那個請 我們請停止一下吧 那個國發會請國發會起來好不好因為今天農業部沒有來 那你就要代表來 請高副主委GS1這東西這個副主委您聽過嗎\n對我知道好那假設這個海南安定是中國的他又跟台灣的Farm3這個漁場基因是一樣的相似的但是台灣真的在做的是什麼台灣全聯系統的魚片全部都是基因Farm1 2 4 5\n所以我只要一出口我只要在這樣的一個GS1的體制之下我的DNA的八口一印出來這個基因是放1245根本不是放3就是表示這根本就是台灣MIT的馬上洗產地的疑慮馬上沒有所以解決洗產地這件事情可以要怎麼樣又可以達到產業價創\n推這個GS1當中對製造業者來講我如何在現有的機制當中我的低碳節能我的良率提高我自然就是我的這個耗品就會減少那在這當中我透過我的這個GS1當中整個產銷履歷的建置運輸等等我就是在建置降低減碳了\n不管是對經濟部或對農業部來講所以我現在就特別講農產品因為農產品很難做出架創工業的部分比較容易服務業也許但是就是在農產品的部分很少能夠做出架創所以我生產履歷跟GS1結合的結果將可以追溯從農產的生產者盤山運輸能力最終到民眾的\n餐桌的新鮮食品完整的資訊共享可以提供整個供應鏈所以除了對等關稅的正正需求更可以證明食品安全而且透過這樣的國際組織的推動我們可以確保產業申請達到價值的產業價創\n好新鮮食品的供應鏈當中的可追溯性會有這些也可以再增加這些訊息是目前現在的食品當中沒有辦法提供的譬如說我食品當中的新鮮食品的分類洗涤清潔冷凍保存以及產品的轉換這可以導入第二個義輔產品的標示跟過程的管理第三個每個產品列別的特定法規品質要求和認證以及最後廢棄物的處理\n都在這裡面一個GS1當中有事件項目當中的導入之後完全的呈現所以我們可以提供我們自己農產品的MIT的品牌所以在這邊請經濟部\n跟農業部 農業部這邊你就請國發會你就代答因為你要去協調評估對美關稅貿易談判是否與GES-1 Sunrise計畫他也叫後年全世界就來啟動了作為但是我們可以提早的來做這樣的準備\n那作為這個稀產地的防範只要這個一導入全國一導入的話我們就完全沒有稀產地的問題了即使從中國到他的所謂中國到東南亞的國家東南亞國家再到美國你光是從中國出來的東西到東南亞任何國家他的產品鋼鐵來講好了或者是說任何一個產品出來他就要烙印在上頭了\n所以海關的關稅單也都會看得到或者就叫佐施所以這個整個在稀產地的部分的整個就會我們在台灣就不會成為稀產地的一個被管制的國家所以經濟部評估結合GS1的Sumrise計畫結合你的產創平台低碳化及節能減排的方案推動產業升級這個郭部長這邊我要講的是 你有沒有多花錢 你沒有\n這些全部都是你既有的你們針對中小企業以及中小微企業你們現有就在推低碳跟節能減排喔你們也要創創平台喔都在現有的計畫當中如果是跟低碳節能當中導入的這個GS1的\n你就是現有的規劃你沒有增加預算那你農業部這邊那就要更細緻了你需要將產銷履歷 經濟物種我本席一直強調的基因定序基因定序當中導入我的農產品當中結合了DNA的巴扣建立台灣農產農業生產品牌只要農業也可以有個MIT的品牌行銷全球實現農業升級價創部長跟這個副主委你們怎麼看\n我們會深入評估深入評估那部長你可以講更清楚一點嗎因為上次您是對GS1商人你是說你們想內部了解那我不曉得你們了解的狀態是怎麼樣\n這個對我們來講就是一個標準是不是因為這裡面要整個的推動當然我們要考慮很多時間、成本各方都是而且這個我們所了解是非常大的一個\n架構就垂直跟水平都非常大所以這個來推短暫的期間是不是可以看到後年人家就要全部推動了後年他是全球的Sumrise2027就開始推動所以你要預先做準備因為未來對這本來就是要開始而且對於洗產地這邊你們在做談判我們會評估\n好 那這個國發會對於農業部的部分你們是不是要做個協調評估將這個產銷履歷本來就有但是還不夠在GS1跟經濟物種的這個DNA當中的導入變成我們自己的DNA Barcode建立台灣農業生產品牌自己NIT的農業的生產品牌呢好 我想我們國發會扮演跨部會協調的角色我們就這個部分我們會參考委員的意見好 OK 好 謝謝好 謝謝戴華\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:08.679\n熊英委員之後休息10分鐘好有請部長\n\n00:18.154 --> 00:45.269\n好部長我還是延續上次我的質詢在關稅談判如何要兼顧產業升級尤其在紅色產品的洗產地這件事情導入GS1兼顧產業升級那在這個您上次也講到說我們這個洗產地當中你們有四個策略監測貿易量及高風險廠商第二個加嚴裁罰違規行為第三配合財政部加速調查反傾銷案件第四個加強對業者的宣傳\n\n00:47.490 --> 01:10.704\n本席認為這個叫做態度積極但缺乏具體性所以經濟部提出的這四項方針本席認為是宣示意義是大於實質可執行力所以如何搭配可執行的產業方案若是解決了關稅談判的稀產地跟國安疑慮又可以兼顧產業升級我相信這是一個將危機\n\n01:12.745 --> 01:39.293\n化為轉機的一個很重要的一個典範好這個GS1我不曉得部長在上次質詢之後您這邊有沒有去做了解這GS1呢其實您上次說這是只有全球是只有美國在推動這個從這個BARcode到QRcode還是有其他的國家那本席在確認全世界就只有他在推動\n\n01:39.813 --> 01:43.117\n也只有他從我們的條碼到現在的QRcode這樣的一個組織那這個是一個1973年由美國統一代碼委員會建立的組織該系統擁有全球跨行業任何行業農業或者是我們的製造業等\n\n01:59.276 --> 02:04.881\n跨行業的產品運輸單元資產及位置和服務的標示標準體系和資料交換標準的體系讓產品在全世界都能夠被掃描好試讀好這個組織它發動了2027年的時候它有一個計畫叫GS1Sunrise2027簡單的講也就是過往的時候我們是用這樣的一個這個八扣的\n\n02:26.578 --> 02:31.162\n那現在呢我們進化到到QRcode那但是呢這兩件事情我的產品的產出到我要貼上這個Barcode或QRcode是兩道不同的程序未來這個Sumrise2027就是你的產品一出廠你的QRcode你的2D條碼已經進化到2D條碼全部烙印在上頭了\n\n02:51.519 --> 03:11.979\n不會是兩道程序不會說產品出來我再貼產品出來是貼一個代碼然後出來之後我再貼另外一個代碼不會有這個事情所以洗產地這件事情在這個SUMMARY2027也就後年的時候他要全面啟動那在美國有幾個廠商也已經導入了不管是可口可熱我本期所了解的包括這個PNG寶橋\n\n03:14.241 --> 03:21.327\n包括國內也有業者他們已審慎的評估他們要不要開始提早導入這樣的一個Summit2027所有的產品一出廠就烙印了這樣的QRCode而這QRCode當中裡面可以包含4000項的項目\n\n03:31.815 --> 03:40.642\n清清楚楚那所以呢製造商務必要轉移傳統的條碼做好準備這不僅僅是技術更新它是一項重大的營運變更也會影響產品在整個生命周期的組成追蹤跟驗證這對於我們去談判當中如何去去確認我們的產品從台灣出去到美國的產品絕對沒有起產地的疑慮這個是一個很重要的一個\n\n04:02.399 --> 04:17.800\n所以GS1他下面有一個叫做可追溯性的標準協助經濟組織和行業的設計者實施可追溯性他的可追溯性有三個第一個材料和零件的來源他可以預防洗產地\n\n04:18.581 --> 04:32.604\n我剛才講了以前的材料和零件的來源跟你要貼上你的QRCode跟Barcode其實兩個程序的兩道工序的現在直接就烙印在上面了所以當然是可以預防稀產地第二個製造加工及運輸的過程歷史生產履歷運輸跟品質的訊息也都在這裡面第三個交付後的產品或服務的分配和位置不管你售後的追蹤包括招回\n\n04:45.326 --> 04:48.447\n區域銷售等比如說好我們現在某某個車廠品牌發生了一個什麼事件我要召回你以前是要用人工現在你因為你這個廠商我從國外進口或我出口我出口1000輛我進口1000輛我所有的這些輛的八扣我全部出廠的時候都已經導應在上面了如果真要召回我全部主動通知給這些消費者\n\n05:10.094 --> 05:29.490\n所以以民眾最有感的但是這些訊息我剛剛講這三個這些訊息包括售後追蹤招回區域銷售等這些資料等等目前在1D的條碼現行的機制是無法揭露的所以以民眾最有感的食安現行食品的1D的標示當中它只有賞味期\n\n05:32.893 --> 05:40.277\n沒有製造日期製造日期要另外再打上去那另外需要冷藏的食品藥品的運輸的冷鏈過程的資料它是沒有被標示的這個我現在講的因為今天沒有農業部來我是講給國發會聽上次國發會的主委來的時候我說你要去做整合的\n\n05:49.923 --> 06:15.056\n包括農業部經濟部等各部會所以呢包括廠商宣稱的非基改的這個黃豆但是他沒有完整的揭露這個是以民眾好我再上次呢在農業部當中講我講農業但是也是在講這個製造業同樣的理論我發給以吳國瑜來講如何避免稀產地我除了發給生產者的標章之外農產品本身的身份識別\n\n06:15.876 --> 06:27.967\n才是最重要的防堵息產地我如果用農業經濟的角度我們累積種源所發展的生物資源也就是所謂的品種權你如果把這個品種權透過資訊的轉換成為有價值的生物資產所以好我這個上次農業部長一直講說我們面對這個中國的面對這個美國的關稅我說我台灣\n\n06:42.020 --> 06:47.624\n要注意什麼我高雄要注意什麼我們就講到吳郭魚我們高雄在出口吳郭魚跟鱸魚的部分是大宗好那這個農業部長說我們這個要高端那你怎麼高端養殖所以你就是把你的品種權要導入你的品種權包括你的這個GS1的導入包括你的基因的定序整個成體出來之後你的DNA的巴扣出來之後你的魚\n\n07:11.443 --> 07:31.099\n你燒到美國的時候好你看吳國瑜這邊左下角的基因好了這個海南安定Found3那個請我們請停止一下吧那個國發會請國發會起來好不好因為今天農業部沒有來那你就要代表來請高副主委GS1這東西這個副主委您聽過嗎\n\n07:35.471 --> 07:51.160\n對我知道好那假設這個海南安定是中國的他又跟台灣的Farm3這個漁場基因是一樣的相似的但是台灣真的在做的是什麼台灣全聯系統的魚片全部都是基因Farm1245\n\n07:52.541 --> 08:17.049\n所以我只要一出口我只要在這樣的一個GS1的體制之下我的DNA的八口一印出來這個基因是放1245根本不是放3就是表示這根本就是台灣MIT的馬上洗產地的疑慮馬上沒有所以解決洗產地這件事情可以要怎麼樣又可以達到產業價創\n\n08:19.370 --> 08:43.683\n推這個GS1當中對製造業者來講我如何在現有的機制當中我的低碳節能我的良率提高我自然就是我的這個耗品就會減少那在這當中我透過我的這個GS1當中整個產銷履歷的建置運輸等等我就是在建置降低減碳了\n\n08:44.764 --> 09:07.441\n不管是對經濟部或對農業部來講所以我現在就特別講農產品因為農產品很難做出架創工業的部分比較容易服務業也許但是就是在農產品的部分很少能夠做出架創所以我生產履歷跟GS1結合的結果將可以追溯從農產的生產者盤山運輸能力最終到民眾的\n\n09:12.785 --> 09:19.410\n餐桌的新鮮食品完整的資訊共享可以提供整個供應鏈所以除了對等關稅的正正需求更可以證明食品安全而且透過這樣的國際組織的推動我們可以確保產業申請達到價值的產業價創\n\n09:29.378 --> 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barcode，建立臺灣MIT的農業生產品牌。"],["高副主任委員仙桂：我想我們國發會扮演跨部會協調角色，我們就這個部分會參考委員的意見。"],["林委員岱樺：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝岱樺委員。","下一位請楊瓊瓔委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":332,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-10","speakers":["蔡易餘","賴瑞隆","邱議瑩","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","張嘉郡","林岱樺","楊瓊瓔","謝衣鳯","陳亭妃","呂玉玲","邱志偉","鍾佳濱","劉書彬","何欣純","徐欣瑩","陳培瑜","陳冠廷","黃捷"],"page_start":275,"meetingDate":["2025-04-23"],"gazette_id":"1144001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144001_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期經濟委員會第10次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員及衛生福利部首長就「美國實施進口產品國安調查對\n我國產業之影響及因應之道」進行報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1144001_00006"}}}