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00:01:59,605\n所以他才提到說他才提到說那如果平台的主控權都是在外國人手上那當然我們就被動嘛所以如果我們有自己的大平台的話就比較好推廣嘛當初他的講法是這樣所以你的意思是說其實跟什麼平台都無關啦反正我們是另外爭取到100億\n\n6\n00:02:00,846 --> 00:02:18,385\n讓我們的文化創業產業可以更優質然後推廣出去是這個意思嗎跟平台沒什麼關係嗎對跟委員說明就是平台第一個就是當然平台不是就算是串流平台也不是國際串流平台也不是只有Netflix一家那第二就是我們強化自己的平台不管是台灣大哥大不管是中華電信他們的平台怎麼強化就是讓他們\n\n7\n00:02:21,989 --> 00:02:39,057\n直接讓他們願意購買更多的台灣內容這個也是一個方式那也讓他們包括我們也投資這個跟中華電信的平台讓他具有國際的競爭力所以你現在你還要幫忙重建一個大平台所以你現在意思是說你還要幫忙中華電信或台灣大哥他們走到國際是不是\n\n8\n00:02:40,478 --> 00:02:59,324\n因為你現在重點是要讓國際的人來看我們的節目跟三大電信基本上我們都有組成的共投基金那這個共投基金會投資台灣內容那這些台灣內容如果他們也能夠上架這些平台這些平台如果也能夠在海外尤其像中華電信它可能具有海外落地的實力主要就是我們現在講的就是主要是國際這一塊對所以你如果今天他們那些三大平台等一下市長不要一直插話\n\n9\n00:03:05,766 --> 00:03:32,646\n那這三大平台如果說他們買了這些版權他只是對國內行銷也沒有用嘛所以你要去跟他們溝通說是不是要行銷到國際去嘛你的意思是這樣嗎其實這個也會去溝通OK好謝謝然後再來喔另外我提一個建議喔因為我們現在我們今天的題目是要讓台灣的文化走向國際啦其實應該就是要讓台灣走向國際觀光也非常重要其實你可以參考一下日本的觀光他們把很多台灣的IP跟觀光做結合\n\n10\n00:03:33,266 --> 00:03:50,515\n比如說最近就要推出一個侏羅紀世界的公園嘛那還有就平常他們會把什麼灌籃高手的一些街道啊然後一些漫畫裡面的場景啊把它包裝成景點或者是像他們的幕府時代會把它變成觀光的故事\n\n11\n00:03:51,135 --> 00:04:18,015\n如果我覺得文化部如果說你打造台流你有一個好的台灣的IP應該去跟觀光署討論一下怎麼把這個IP變成一個景點去國際做宣傳讓他們覺得來台灣願意一來再來不然像很多日本觀光客來台灣來一次就不會再來所以文化走到國際其實有很多方式不是說好像都是在國外花錢然後讓我們的表演其實你讓人家進來看也是一種模式\n\n12\n00:04:19,116 --> 00:04:22,237\n委員說這個IP的事情其實也是我們現在在進行的我們也有做一個計畫就是讓台灣的這些IP去發展它的世界觀那因為像日本的IP為什麼能成功是因為它已經有完整的世界觀所以我們可以知道比如蠟筆小新的個性是怎麼樣他家庭是誰我們也知道這個現在不叫哆啦A夢了叫\n\n13\n00:04:38,583 --> 00:05:03,850\n他們的整個故事的架構跟內容這是為什麼日本的IP能夠順利的帶動這個產業不管是文化產業或者是觀光產業所以我們也希望台灣的IP也具有這樣的價值所以我們的確有在這方面進行投資跟輔導跟補助我說你可以跟觀光結合一下大家不要各做各的跟觀光結合一下在行政院有一支文化觀光又有一支跨部會的觀光推展的任務小組文化部也在裡面\n\n14\n00:05:04,090 --> 00:05:29,704\n我們希望說台灣有一個景點是結合我們的IP然後國際的人士很喜歡來的我們也希望有成功的案例希望有一個案例好不好然後再來跟你請教一下有一個之前文化部有一個針對博碩式論文的一個補助的作業要點它叫做文化部獎勵文化藝術政策博碩式論文作業要點那在今年的2月17號就說即日起\n\n15\n00:05:31,768 --> 00:05:49,000\n廢紙廢紙那我問一下為什麼要廢紙根文說明因為這個計畫是針對博碩士的講述那因為文化藝術政策的範圍比較過於廣泛它比較難集中那文化部在文化政策上面基本上\n\n16\n00:05:49,680 --> 00:06:16,553\n為了因應現在的發展大概都會針對性的做委辦性的計畫所以呢我們就把我們的這些碩博士的論文講座呢集中在主題性的所以包括傳譯包括公益文資博物館還有台灣文學這一類我們都有主題性的博士論文的補助因為這個當初你們也你們這個案子也是你們起的嘛那幾年之後又覺得不OK又把它廢掉\n\n17\n00:06:17,193 --> 00:06:38,828\n那代表當時是不是有點思慮不周啦這個是你們回我的理由啦就是說你檢視了這幾年的獲獎的論文結果發現深度可行性待檢驗然後論文主題廣泛然後不乏鑽研某學派什麼創作理念真的講了一大堆啦實務性的參考價值但是實際上第一這個主題的選擇實際上也是你們成立評選委員會挑選的嘛\n\n18\n00:06:45,613 --> 00:07:05,288\n對你們評論會挑選的主題進行檢討對主題挑選完之後然後結果後來自己又打點自己之前的挑選說這個太廣泛了沒有用那你那時候就不要挑就好了啊怎麼會你那個時候挑然後簽不住了不是嘛這個是技術性的問題嘛就是說你們在前端\n\n19\n00:07:06,189 --> 00:07:33,510\n你們在前端在選擇的時候你如果認為他的主題不符合你補助的要點你就可以把他踢掉啊然後說你先補助了然後事後就整個廢掉就說啊同意都不OK因為我們有其他的主題性的可以支撐沒有沒有這樣等一下實際上你可以針對你有你認為有符合你要點你在做補助嘛而不是說你前面比較隨便補助隨便補助之後事後又說因為我們前面補助的太廣泛所以呢我整個要點要廢掉\n\n20\n00:07:34,631 --> 00:07:37,854\n因為有其他的主題性的可以支撐我覺得你們這有點陰噎沸石你應該怎樣要點繼續留著那你在前端的論文補助的篩選上面做嚴格的篩選\n\n21\n00:07:49,764 --> 00:08:08,581\n你還是可以達到一方面讓我們的研究生得到一部分的補助然後獎勵學術的研究另外一方面也可以從這些主題裡面挑選到對我們文化政策有幫助的這些論文嘛而不是說你們前面的篩選太腐爛就說我整個要你要廢掉\n\n22\n00:08:09,381 --> 00:08:13,326\n主要是執行的檢討因為每年我們也是被要求預算歸零重新就政策檢討所以我們覺得在施行的成效上好像有重複跟其他的主題有重疊我的意思是說你不是整個廢掉你應該針對執行細節部分做檢討我覺得這個你們再考慮一下\n\n23\n00:08:28,784 --> 00:08:43,015\n然後我們辦公室在跟你們溝通的時候第一時間他其實也不是提到主題他又去扯到什麼預算凍結的問題但是你看你們這個碩博士做論文的作業要點其實在112年的時候當時已經曾經被凍結過了那我現在秀出來的這個是112年的凍資報告\n\n24\n00:08:48,991 --> 00:09:04,299\n所以那個時候有凍結然後報告送來的就解凍啊所以沒有什麼凍結不能解凍的問題嗎這一題應該跟凍結沒有關係啦可能你們那時候一開始的時候你們文化部跟我們回應說是凍結啊那凍結的不是這一題所以是沒問題沒問題那一開始不要什麼每次問到什麼問題一開始都扯那個預算凍結凍結是對團體的補助對於這個政策的補助\n\n25\n00:09:11,883 --> 00:09:26,454\n然後最後跟那個市長求證一下這個主計處這個稅計科這個廖家軍是你們的同事嗎不好意思我還是要請委員保護一下我們基層工作同仁這是一個內部的工作提醒因為他在網路上已經都傳開了啊\n\n26\n00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:47,523\n我想對於個人的隱私還是要拜託委員協助因為畢竟是基層同仁對他來說發生這樣的事情他是比誰都難過他其實目的只是要提醒大家謹慎不要被誤解那結果被做這樣的解讀我想他個人承受非常大的壓力市長那我跟你請教一下有沒有說早早寫好\n\n27\n00:09:51,104 --> 00:10:07,002\n就是解冻报告有没有早早写好他是说不要被解读成这样因为外界有这样的质疑我们更要谨慎不要变成让外界以为说我们是早早写好因为我刚刚一开始就有解释我们的解冻报告因为有47案所以它前前后后都有\n\n28\n00:10:07,663 --> 00:10:23,114\n需要去核對跟勾結的地方那我們希望一次送出所以我們一定要等到47案都準備好了才會送進立法院那在這個過程裡面就會你們有沒有曾經有中央單位跟你們講說結論報告寫好之後先不要送有沒有\n\n29\n00:10:23,254 --> 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有沒有\n623254\t646279\t我們不是得到這樣的指示 那你們是得到什麼指示我們就是盡可能的 盡速的送出我們的解凍報告所以我們是在做內部的查核跟勾結因為之前教育部部長在這邊接受備詢的時候 有委員問他他說好像有行政院的指示就是說等到什麼事情沒有釐清了 暫時都不要送解凍報告你們文化部有得到這樣的因為我的層級是沒有啦\n646539\t674907\t你文化部有沒有得到這樣的一個指示因為我的成績是沒有收到那之前網路上也有一些中央中央的基層人員講說解凍報告早就已經寫好了但是上面一直說不要送可能他的那一份寫好了吧你文化部有出現這個狀況嗎應該是這樣47份有的會已經寫好有的還沒有寫好但因為要同時送出所以的確會有已經寫好的同仁然後被要求不要送沒有被要求不要送他可能就誤會他覺得我寫好為什麼不能送他一直不能理解說我們就是要一起送這件事情\n675447\t675468\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩請那個次長 謝謝好 有請次長委員好這樣喔 去年的時候文化部長李遠他說他要再跟國發基金爭取100億打造台灣的大串流平台讓我們的台聚可以走上國際那後來他又解釋他說其實這100億不是要打造平台而是要投資內容\n那為什麼他要這樣解釋呢是因為那時候我認為如果這個錢花在平台的打造單純是打造平台其實很燒錢就像Disney Plus一樣他們其實每一年都在虧本那可是當時李遠他其實是他的講法是說他說因為台灣的串流平台都控制在國外的手上所以台聚會真的出不去所以我們才要打造平台那我想問一下因為也過了半年了這100億應該已經要到了吧\n國發會已經有承諾提供下一個100億了那準備要怎麼用我們會在文化內容上面做投資那所謂的大平台是要怎麼弄\n我們應該不是所謂的大平台應該是提供更多的內容讓串流平台上可以有台灣的內容那讓這些國際的平台也願意來採購台灣的內容這才是現在努力的目標對 可是那你的講法跟當初那個文化部長的說法就不一樣了部長應該沒有說有 他就說要一百億要打造一個大串流平台因為當時是有委員質疑啦說那個Netflix好像一年購買台劇的版權只有四部啦\n所以他才提到說他才提到說那如果平台的主控權都是在外國人手上那當然我們就被動嘛所以如果我們有自己的大平台的話就比較好推廣嘛當初他的講法是這樣所以你的意思是說其實跟什麼平台都無關啦反正我們是另外爭取到100億\n讓我們的文化創業產業可以更優質然後推廣出去是這個意思嗎跟平台沒什麼關係嗎對 跟委員說明就是平台第一個就是當然平台不是就算是串流平台也不是國際串流平台也不是只有Netflix一家那第二就是我們強化自己的平台不管是台灣大哥大不管是中華電信他們的平台怎麼強化就是讓他們\n直接讓他們願意購買更多的台灣內容這個也是一個方式那也讓他們包括我們也投資這個跟中華電信的平台讓他具有國際的競爭力所以你現在你還要幫忙重建一個大平台所以你現在意思是說你還要幫忙中華電信或台灣大哥他們走到國際是不是\n因為你現在重點是要讓國際的人來看我們的節目跟三大電信基本上我們都有組成的共投基金那這個共投基金會投資台灣內容那這些台灣內容如果他們也能夠上架這些平台這些平台如果也能夠在海外尤其像中華電信它可能具有海外落地的實力主要就是我們現在講的就是主要是國際這一塊對所以你如果今天他們那些三大平台等一下市長不要一直插話\n那這三大平台如果說他們買了這些版權他只是對國內行銷也沒有用嘛所以你要去跟他們溝通說是不是要行銷到國際去嘛你的意思是這樣嗎其實這個也會去溝通OK好謝謝然後再來喔另外我提一個建議喔因為我們現在我們今天的題目是要讓台灣的文化走向國際啦其實應該就是要讓台灣走向國際觀光也非常重要其實你可以參考一下日本的觀光他們把很多台灣的IP跟觀光做結合\n比如說最近就要推出一個侏羅紀世界的公園嘛那還有就平常他們會把什麼灌籃高手的一些街道啊然後一些漫畫裡面的場景啊把它包裝成景點或者是像他們的幕府時代會把它變成觀光的故事\n如果我覺得文化部如果說你打造台流你有一個好的台灣的IP應該去跟觀光署討論一下怎麼把這個IP變成一個景點去國際做宣傳讓他們覺得來台灣願意一來再來不然像很多日本觀光客來台灣來一次就不會再來所以文化走到國際其實有很多方式不是說好像都是在國外花錢然後讓我們的表演其實你讓人家進來看也是一種模式\n委員說這個IP的事情其實也是我們現在在進行的我們也有做一個計畫就是讓台灣的這些IP去發展它的世界觀那因為像日本的IP為什麼能成功是因為它已經有完整的世界觀所以我們可以知道比如蠟筆小新的個性是怎麼樣他家庭是誰我們也知道這個現在不叫哆啦A夢了叫\n他們的整個故事的架構跟內容這是為什麼日本的IP能夠順利的帶動這個產業不管是文化產業或者是觀光產業所以我們也希望台灣的IP也具有這樣的價值所以我們的確有在這方面進行投資跟輔導跟補助我說你可以跟觀光結合一下大家不要各做各的跟觀光結合一下在行政院有一支文化觀光又有一支跨部會的觀光推展的任務小組文化部也在裡面\n我們希望說台灣有一個景點是結合我們的IP然後國際的人士很喜歡來的我們也希望有成功的案例希望有一個案例好不好然後再來跟你請教一下有一個之前文化部有一個針對博碩式論文的一個補助的作業要點它叫做文化部獎勵文化藝術政策博碩式論文作業要點那在今年的2月17號就說即日起\n廢紙廢紙那我問一下為什麼要廢紙根文說明因為這個計畫是針對博碩士的講述那因為文化藝術政策的範圍比較過於廣泛它比較難集中那文化部在文化政策上面基本上\n為了因應現在的發展大概都會針對性的做委辦性的計畫所以呢我們就把我們的這些碩博士的論文講座呢集中在主題性的所以包括傳譯包括公益文資博物館還有台灣文學這一類我們都有主題性的博士論文的補助因為這個當初你們也你們這個案子也是你們起的嘛那幾年之後又覺得不OK又把它廢掉\n那代表當時是不是有點思慮不周啦這個是你們回我的理由啦就是說你檢視了這幾年的獲獎的論文結果發現深度可行性待檢驗然後論文主題廣泛然後不乏鑽研某學派什麼創作理念真的講了一大堆啦實務性的參考價值但是實際上第一這個主題的選擇實際上也是你們成立評選委員會挑選的嘛\n對你們評論會挑選的主題進行檢討對主題挑選完之後然後結果後來自己又打點自己之前的挑選說這個太廣泛了沒有用那你那時候就不要挑就好了啊怎麼會你那個時候挑然後簽不住了不是嘛這個是技術性的問題嘛就是說你們在前端\n你們在前端在選擇的時候你如果認為他的主題不符合你補助的要點你就可以把他踢掉啊然後說你先補助了然後事後就整個廢掉就說啊同意都不OK因為我們有其他的主題性的可以支撐沒有沒有這樣等一下實際上你可以針對你有你認為有符合你要點你在做補助嘛而不是說你前面比較隨便補助隨便補助之後事後又說因為我們前面補助的太廣泛所以呢我整個要點要廢掉\n因為有其他的主題性的可以支撐我覺得你們這有點陰噎沸石 你應該怎樣要點繼續留著那你在前端的論文補助的篩選上面做嚴格的篩選\n你還是可以達到一方面讓我們的研究生得到一部分的補助然後獎勵學術的研究另外一方面也可以從這些主題裡面挑選到對我們文化政策有幫助的這些論文嘛而不是說你們前面的篩選太腐爛就說我整個要 你要廢掉\n主要是執行的檢討因為每年我們也是被要求預算歸零重新就政策檢討所以我們覺得在施行的成效上好像有重複跟其他的主題有重疊我的意思是說你不是整個廢掉你應該針對執行細節部分做檢討我覺得這個你們再考慮一下\n然後我們辦公室在跟你們溝通的時候第一時間他其實也不是提到主題他又去扯到什麼預算凍結的問題但是你看你們這個碩博士做論文的作業要點其實在112年的時候當時已經曾經被凍結過了那我現在秀出來的這個是112年的凍資報告\n所以那個時候有凍結然後報告送來的就解凍啊所以沒有什麼凍結不能解凍的問題嗎這一題應該跟凍結沒有關係啦可能你們那時候一開始的時候你們文化部跟我們回應說是凍結啊那凍結的不是這一題所以是沒問題沒問題那一開始不要什麼每次問到什麼問題一開始都扯那個預算凍結凍結是對團體的補助對於這個政策的補助\n然後最後跟那個市長求證一下這個主計處這個稅計科這個廖家軍是你們的同事嗎不好意思我還是要請委員保護一下我們基層工作同仁這是一個內部的工作提醒因為他在網路上已經都傳開了啊\n我想對於個人的隱私還是要拜託委員協助因為畢竟是基層同仁對他來說發生這樣的事情他是比誰都難過他其實目的只是要提醒大家謹慎不要被誤解那結果被做這樣的解讀我想他個人承受非常大的壓力市長那我跟你請教一下有沒有說早早寫好\n就是解冻报告有没有早早写好他是说不要被解读成这样因为外界有这样的质疑我们更要谨慎不要变成让外界以为说我们是早早写好因为我刚刚一开始就有解释我们的解冻报告因为有47案所以它前前后后都有\n需要去核對跟勾結的地方那我們希望一次送出所以我們一定要等到47案都準備好了才會送進立法院那在這個過程裡面就會你們有沒有曾經有中央單位跟你們講說結論報告寫好之後先不要送 有沒有\n我們不是得到這樣的指示 那你們是得到什麼指示我們就是盡可能的 盡速的送出我們的解凍報告所以我們是在做內部的查核跟勾結因為之前教育部部長在這邊接受備詢的時候 有委員問他他說好像有行政院的指示就是說等到什麼事情沒有釐清了 暫時都不要送解凍報告你們文化部有得到這樣的因為我的層級是沒有啦\n你文化部有沒有得到這樣的一個指示因為我的成績是沒有收到那之前網路上也有一些中央中央的基層人員講說解凍報告早就已經寫好了但是上面一直說不要送可能他的那一份寫好了吧你文化部有出現這個狀況嗎應該是這樣47份有的會已經寫好有的還沒有寫好但因為要同時送出所以的確會有已經寫好的同仁然後被要求不要送沒有被要求不要送他可能就誤會他覺得我寫好為什麼不能送他一直不能理解說我們就是要一起送這件事情\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.137 --> 00:34.703\n麻煩請那個次長謝謝好有請次長委員好這樣喔去年的時候文化部長李遠他說他要再跟國發基金爭取100億打造台灣的大串流平台讓我們的台聚可以走上國際那後來他又解釋他說其實這100億不是要打造平台而是要投資內容\n\n00:35.883 --> 01:03.866\n那為什麼他要這樣解釋呢是因為那時候我認為如果這個錢花在平台的打造單純是打造平台其實很燒錢就像DisneyPlus一樣他們其實每一年都在虧本那可是當時李遠他其實是他的講法是說他說因為台灣的串流平台都控制在國外的手上所以台聚會真的出不去所以我們才要打造平台那我想問一下因為也過了半年了這100億應該已經要到了吧\n\n01:06.449 --> 01:16.577\n國發會已經有承諾提供下一個100億了那準備要怎麼用我們會在文化內容上面做投資那所謂的大平台是要怎麼弄\n\n01:17.213 --> 01:43.392\n我們應該不是所謂的大平台應該是提供更多的內容讓串流平台上可以有台灣的內容那讓這些國際的平台也願意來採購台灣的內容這才是現在努力的目標對可是那你的講法跟當初那個文化部長的說法就不一樣了部長應該沒有說有他就說要一百億要打造一個大串流平台因為當時是有委員質疑啦說那個Netflix好像一年購買台劇的版權只有四部啦\n\n01:43.792 --> 01:59.605\n所以他才提到說他才提到說那如果平台的主控權都是在外國人手上那當然我們就被動嘛所以如果我們有自己的大平台的話就比較好推廣嘛當初他的講法是這樣所以你的意思是說其實跟什麼平台都無關啦反正我們是另外爭取到100億\n\n02:00.846 --> 02:18.385\n讓我們的文化創業產業可以更優質然後推廣出去是這個意思嗎跟平台沒什麼關係嗎對跟委員說明就是平台第一個就是當然平台不是就算是串流平台也不是國際串流平台也不是只有Netflix一家那第二就是我們強化自己的平台不管是台灣大哥大不管是中華電信他們的平台怎麼強化就是讓他們\n\n02:21.989 --> 02:39.057\n直接讓他們願意購買更多的台灣內容這個也是一個方式那也讓他們包括我們也投資這個跟中華電信的平台讓他具有國際的競爭力所以你現在你還要幫忙重建一個大平台所以你現在意思是說你還要幫忙中華電信或台灣大哥他們走到國際是不是\n\n02:40.478 --> 02:59.324\n因為你現在重點是要讓國際的人來看我們的節目跟三大電信基本上我們都有組成的共投基金那這個共投基金會投資台灣內容那這些台灣內容如果他們也能夠上架這些平台這些平台如果也能夠在海外尤其像中華電信它可能具有海外落地的實力主要就是我們現在講的就是主要是國際這一塊對所以你如果今天他們那些三大平台等一下市長不要一直插話\n\n03:05.766 --> 03:32.646\n那這三大平台如果說他們買了這些版權他只是對國內行銷也沒有用嘛所以你要去跟他們溝通說是不是要行銷到國際去嘛你的意思是這樣嗎其實這個也會去溝通OK好謝謝然後再來喔另外我提一個建議喔因為我們現在我們今天的題目是要讓台灣的文化走向國際啦其實應該就是要讓台灣走向國際觀光也非常重要其實你可以參考一下日本的觀光他們把很多台灣的IP跟觀光做結合\n\n03:33.266 --> 03:50.515\n比如說最近就要推出一個侏羅紀世界的公園嘛那還有就平常他們會把什麼灌籃高手的一些街道啊然後一些漫畫裡面的場景啊把它包裝成景點或者是像他們的幕府時代會把它變成觀光的故事\n\n03:51.135 --> 04:18.015\n如果我覺得文化部如果說你打造台流你有一個好的台灣的IP應該去跟觀光署討論一下怎麼把這個IP變成一個景點去國際做宣傳讓他們覺得來台灣願意一來再來不然像很多日本觀光客來台灣來一次就不會再來所以文化走到國際其實有很多方式不是說好像都是在國外花錢然後讓我們的表演其實你讓人家進來看也是一種模式\n\n04:19.116 --> 04:22.237\n委員說這個IP的事情其實也是我們現在在進行的我們也有做一個計畫就是讓台灣的這些IP去發展它的世界觀那因為像日本的IP為什麼能成功是因為它已經有完整的世界觀所以我們可以知道比如蠟筆小新的個性是怎麼樣他家庭是誰我們也知道這個現在不叫哆啦A夢了叫\n\n04:38.583 --> 05:03.850\n他們的整個故事的架構跟內容這是為什麼日本的IP能夠順利的帶動這個產業不管是文化產業或者是觀光產業所以我們也希望台灣的IP也具有這樣的價值所以我們的確有在這方面進行投資跟輔導跟補助我說你可以跟觀光結合一下大家不要各做各的跟觀光結合一下在行政院有一支文化觀光又有一支跨部會的觀光推展的任務小組文化部也在裡面\n\n05:04.090 --> 05:29.704\n我們希望說台灣有一個景點是結合我們的IP然後國際的人士很喜歡來的我們也希望有成功的案例希望有一個案例好不好然後再來跟你請教一下有一個之前文化部有一個針對博碩式論文的一個補助的作業要點它叫做文化部獎勵文化藝術政策博碩式論文作業要點那在今年的2月17號就說即日起\n\n05:31.768 --> 05:49.000\n廢紙廢紙那我問一下為什麼要廢紙根文說明因為這個計畫是針對博碩士的講述那因為文化藝術政策的範圍比較過於廣泛它比較難集中那文化部在文化政策上面基本上\n\n05:49.680 --> 06:16.553\n為了因應現在的發展大概都會針對性的做委辦性的計畫所以呢我們就把我們的這些碩博士的論文講座呢集中在主題性的所以包括傳譯包括公益文資博物館還有台灣文學這一類我們都有主題性的博士論文的補助因為這個當初你們也你們這個案子也是你們起的嘛那幾年之後又覺得不OK又把它廢掉\n\n06:17.193 --> 06:38.828\n那代表當時是不是有點思慮不周啦這個是你們回我的理由啦就是說你檢視了這幾年的獲獎的論文結果發現深度可行性待檢驗然後論文主題廣泛然後不乏鑽研某學派什麼創作理念真的講了一大堆啦實務性的參考價值但是實際上第一這個主題的選擇實際上也是你們成立評選委員會挑選的嘛\n\n06:45.613 --> 07:05.288\n對你們評論會挑選的主題進行檢討對主題挑選完之後然後結果後來自己又打點自己之前的挑選說這個太廣泛了沒有用那你那時候就不要挑就好了啊怎麼會你那個時候挑然後簽不住了不是嘛這個是技術性的問題嘛就是說你們在前端\n\n07:06.189 --> 07:33.510\n你們在前端在選擇的時候你如果認為他的主題不符合你補助的要點你就可以把他踢掉啊然後說你先補助了然後事後就整個廢掉就說啊同意都不OK因為我們有其他的主題性的可以支撐沒有沒有這樣等一下實際上你可以針對你有你認為有符合你要點你在做補助嘛而不是說你前面比較隨便補助隨便補助之後事後又說因為我們前面補助的太廣泛所以呢我整個要點要廢掉\n\n07:34.631 --> 07:37.854\n因為有其他的主題性的可以支撐我覺得你們這有點陰噎沸石你應該怎樣要點繼續留著那你在前端的論文補助的篩選上面做嚴格的篩選\n\n07:49.764 --> 08:08.581\n你還是可以達到一方面讓我們的研究生得到一部分的補助然後獎勵學術的研究另外一方面也可以從這些主題裡面挑選到對我們文化政策有幫助的這些論文嘛而不是說你們前面的篩選太腐爛就說我整個要你要廢掉\n\n08:09.381 --> 08:13.326\n主要是執行的檢討因為每年我們也是被要求預算歸零重新就政策檢討所以我們覺得在施行的成效上好像有重複跟其他的主題有重疊我的意思是說你不是整個廢掉你應該針對執行細節部分做檢討我覺得這個你們再考慮一下\n\n08:28.784 --> 08:43.015\n然後我們辦公室在跟你們溝通的時候第一時間他其實也不是提到主題他又去扯到什麼預算凍結的問題但是你看你們這個碩博士做論文的作業要點其實在112年的時候當時已經曾經被凍結過了那我現在秀出來的這個是112年的凍資報告\n\n08:48.991 --> 09:04.299\n所以那個時候有凍結然後報告送來的就解凍啊所以沒有什麼凍結不能解凍的問題嗎這一題應該跟凍結沒有關係啦可能你們那時候一開始的時候你們文化部跟我們回應說是凍結啊那凍結的不是這一題所以是沒問題沒問題那一開始不要什麼每次問到什麼問題一開始都扯那個預算凍結凍結是對團體的補助對於這個政策的補助\n\n09:11.883 --> 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