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--> 00:02:10,262\n是要求說以這個不持續性或不易測量可是會妨礙他人生活安寧的這個用色違法可是對環境部而言他是認為持續性連續兩分鐘以上的才是環境部來去做處理所以這樣子讓人民會覺得無所適從\n\n7\n00:02:11,724 --> 00:02:26,218\n就是一般人民比如說遇到噪音的時候他是先打電話報警可是打電話報警的時候他可能沒有找環境部來做處理所以變成說環境部也沒有來處理造成民眾這個有一點點不知道要怎麼去做所以我想要請教部長的\n\n8\n00:02:26,958 --> 00:02:55,716\n環境部的報告裡面有寫說他是只管不持續性的他是寫說不持續性的他就不罰導致很多的生活噪音是由警方來處理就是說這樣的法規設計是否會有點本末倒置那你其實在你在你的這個整個報告裡面最後一頁其實你有寫說你們現在已經對社維法要進行相關的處理所以本席是不是想要請教你們現在針對相關的法律你們是要其實民眾他們所擔心的就噪音的問題到底警察單位跟\n\n9\n00:02:56,756 --> 00:03:18,729\n環保單位他們是要怎麼來通力來協助然後去解決人民的問題是有關噪音管制法的部分當然主管機關是環境部那環境部有代表過來我想是不是可以請他們一起來回應剛剛委員所垂詢的問題但是有關於這個社福法社維法它社維法是管的是就是不持續性的所以民眾\n\n10\n00:03:19,389 --> 00:03:26,831\n不是我要跟委員報告不持續性的部分的話它的定義確實很困擾譬如說家裡面養的狗大吠了兩聲然後你就要打電話找警察警察到了時候狗就沒有再吠了\n\n11\n00:03:34,974 --> 00:03:38,538\n那我們要罰誰所以事實上所謂的不持續噪音裡面的定義所謂的不持續的部分就是說它已經發生過一次然後兩次三次然後大家造成非常大的困擾\n\n12\n00:03:50,251 --> 00:04:08,921\n譬如說半夜三更有人唱歌那這個部分一般公益大廈的管委會他也必須要來做這個有效的協調那如果你都要動用到警察的話因為警察真正的一個業務其實就是在有關於刑事上面的部分\n\n13\n00:04:09,381 --> 00:04:35,320\n跟社委法有關的話我們就是盡量有些非常熱心的這個警員願意來處理所謂的不持續噪音因為它已經造成人民生活上面的安寧上很大的困擾但是如果每一件都需要來警察來出門來處理這個事情的話我是覺得說確實是有很大的困擾這個要跟委員報告一下所以我的意思是說因為這個規定是在這個內政部警政署它處理辦法裡面它所寫的啦\n\n14\n00:04:36,621 --> 00:05:00,340\n就是說不持續性或不易測量的部分因為我們警政機關也沒有測量的意思對所以就是說這樣的話人民就會覺得無所適從所以是不是請環境部這邊跟警政署環境部今天有派人來嗎是不是來解釋一下其實我這邊有個解答啦就是說一般民眾來講遇到噪音問題的時候其實要打也不是要報警也不是打環境部要打1999所以兩個部門可以同理合作我們是不是請環境部來講一下\n\n15\n00:05:01,641 --> 00:05:22,976\n是委員好那就確實就誠如委員所說針對這個噪音部分實際上我們有跟警政署還有還有內政部營建署有合作就針對可以量測的部分好持續性然後這部分由我們來處理那人和動物噪音這部分我們有分工在1999那邊有做一個分工人和動物部分會請警察\n\n16\n00:05:23,416 --> 00:05:35,955\n那可以量測的部分全部有我們環保單位那我們實際上我們環保單位跟警政單位我們實際上有在跨部會合作這邊我們有持續在在精進這些相關的一些可以處理的部分只要可以量測的部分全部都是由我們環保機關來做一個處理\n\n17\n00:05:38,581 --> 00:06:00,697\n好謝謝所以我的拜託就是說現在我認為社會法的部分就噪音防治的這個部分其實就是兩邊的標準是不一樣的可是民眾最想要得到的就是說他可以有個很快速比如說我已經被炒了三天睡不著了如果再找環境部來撤的時候其實有時候民眾跟民眾之間就會發生爭執所以這才是社會法會出動的情況先請警察先去做一個勸說的情況\n\n18\n00:06:01,878 --> 00:06:29,055\n所以就是說要拜託這個不管是警政單位或環境單位大家要通力合作才能解決民眾的問題那以現在的現行的這個法規來看處理辦法來講的話就變成說許多的責任都會因為講白的就是說民眾也不知道如何測量那警政單位也沒有相關的測量的儀器就會通通都會到這個處理辦法由警察單位來去做相關的處理可是它又沒有相關的其實講白的就是說它真正能裁罰的\n\n19\n00:06:30,055 --> 00:06:51,603\n用社會法來裁罰的案例用非常的少結果變成說到最後就是民眾苦不堪言或者是造成民眾整個長期之間因為它是一個不連續性不持續性的一個噪音造成這樣的問題我覺得這還是民眾所擔心的問題好謝謝那最後再請教一個問題就是說有關於今天大家討論到很多的這個黃牛票的問題\n\n20\n00:06:52,523 --> 00:07:21,347\n其實黃牛票的問題其實現在就警政單位來講其實現在還是用社委法來去做一個這個處理所以為什麼今天那麼多委員會提到黃牛票的取締範圍要加重因為如果沒有加重的話其實現在本席所擔心的是因為現在大家比如說看演唱會的時候外面很多警察單位的人員會去抓黃牛票這個動作其實我是不是可以請部長解釋一下他是依照什麼樣的法令去抓這些在販賣黃牛票的人\n\n21\n00:07:21,748 --> 00:07:24,544\n我是不是可以請我們警政署來跟好可以謝謝\n\n22\n00:07:27,323 --> 00:07:38,426\n現在黃牛票已經有定有專法了比方像藝文的部分演唱會就是由文化部來做中了已經沒有再適用設置法了這個適用比如講像那個運動賽事啦像這些那個職棒的這些這個運動產業這一次專法那這個都分別在112年跟113年這兩個法都已經有這個立法的專法\n\n23\n00:07:53,909 --> 00:08:05,256\n現在我們現在現在看現在看到長江的朋友都已經應用到這個專法已經排除這個設置設置法的應用了所以沒有沒有用沒有適用這個設置法了沒有沒有用這個\n\n24\n00:08:08,225 --> 00:08:27,812\n因為涉事法這個處罰大概就是比較輕那這一個包括文創法或者是那個運動產業的這個專法那它的處罰行政法跟刑事法我請教署長那現在比如說很多人在這個小巨蛋或大巨蛋外面賣黃牛票那警察單位執法的部分他是用什麼\n\n25\n00:08:28,032 --> 00:08:49,862\n是協助的一個角度那現在就是現在現在的主管之間是文化部那如果再到這個到各縣市的話就是文化局那如果說文化局他們有派人到縣市是請警察單位去來做稽查還是文化部文化部會提供這些他們掃的到這些資料提供我們來做查集\n\n26\n00:08:50,382 --> 00:09:06,579\n沒錯所以意思就是說當然我們是需要覺得是說當然警察人員都非常的辛苦可是如果沒有相關應的法令去應對比如說現在非常多型態的比如說演唱會或是是一些車票或是現在更進一步的\n\n27\n00:09:07,119 --> 00:09:30,769\n譬如說現在代排醫院、代排隊的這些問題沒有用社會法的部分增加它的整個實用範圍讓警察同仁有一個執勤的動作的時候就變成說警察單位同仁是不是就我自己的猜想是他們只能去收集這樣的資訊然後交給相關單位的人員他沒有辦法現場就做一個制止的行為那這是我認為說就像我剛剛跟部長請教的就是民眾一開始\n\n28\n00:09:31,209 --> 00:09:48,379\n他因為一些法律上的一些問題他沒有辦法及時的取得他解決問題的一個方式就變成說要長時間等待可是時間常常就過了以後這個事情的嚴重程度也下降了所以這邊要拜託署長這是我提出來的跟您的請教是好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t19344\t各位委員各位官員大家早我們是請劉部長劉部長有請好謝謝劉部長那今天討論的是有關於這個社委法的修法的部分那今天的面向也很多那本席這邊要跟部長請教的首先就是有關於社委法的一些重要的修法部分\n19684\t45613\t那其實要先跟部長報告社會法的修法其實對我們一般的老百姓非常重要尤其在很多小老百姓他們所重視的一些內容希望說可以得到及時而且快速的一個處理那首先我要先跟部長請教說裡面今天討論的部分有關於這個噪音的問題其實也是這次生活噪音的問題也是這次修法的一個內容\n47614\t70449\t那主要的原因就是說 現在大家知道嘛雖然現在有色違法跟現在的噪音防治法等等相關的一些法令可是民眾還是很多的受到一些困擾比如說居家噪音啊比如說樓上有時候晚上凌晨的時候有寵物在叫或喧嘩吵鬧或是有人在那邊敲敲敲或唱歌或有些洗衣機的運轉這些東西\n72350\t94139\t那其實這些都是應該都是屬於一種噪音而且造成這個民眾有時候苦不堪言那他們第一個想法都會覺得是說先報警要先報警可是報警的部分其實警察能做的方式相對於來講是比較少的那在您的那個我們內政部的報告裡面也寫說希望說未來這個\n96122\t114621\t內容應該由環境機關來負責那這邊我要請教就是說其實我認為是說其實環境相關機關應該跟這個內政警政機關相關一起來合作因為現在遇到的問題是說就這個社會法的部分它的有一個執法\n115422\t130262\t是要求說以這個不持續性或不易測量可是會妨礙他人生活安寧的這個用色違法可是對環境部而言他是認為持續性連續兩分鐘以上的才是環境部來去做處理所以這樣子讓人民會覺得無所適從\n131724\t146218\t就是一般人民比如說遇到噪音的時候他是先打電話報警可是打電話報警的時候他可能沒有找環境部來做處理所以變成說環境部也沒有來處理造成民眾這個有一點點不知道要怎麼去做所以我想要請教部長的\n146958\t175716\t環境部的報告裡面有寫說他是只管不持續性的他是寫說不持續性的他就不罰導致很多的生活噪音是由警方來處理就是說這樣的法規設計是否會有點本末倒置那你其實在你在你的這個整個報告裡面最後一頁其實你有寫說你們現在已經對社維法要進行相關的處理所以本席是不是想要請教你們現在針對相關的法律你們是要其實民眾他們所擔心的就噪音的問題到底警察單位跟\n176756\t198729\t環保單位他們是要怎麼來通力來協助然後去解決人民的問題是有關噪音管制法的部分當然主管機關是環境部那環境部有代表過來我想是不是可以請他們一起來回應剛剛委員所垂詢的問題但是有關於這個社福法社維法它社維法是管的是就是不持續性的所以民眾\n199389\t206831\t不是 我要跟委員報告不持續性的部分的話它的定義確實很困擾譬如說家裡面養的狗大吠了兩聲然後你就要打電話找警察警察到了時候狗就沒有再吠了\n214974\t218538\t那我們要罰誰所以事實上所謂的不持續噪音裡面的定義所謂的不持續的部分就是說它已經發生過一次然後兩次三次然後大家造成非常大的困擾\n230251\t248921\t譬如說半夜三更有人唱歌那這個部分一般公益大廈的管委會他也必須要來做這個有效的協調那如果你都要動用到警察的話因為警察真正的一個業務其實就是在有關於刑事上面的部分\n249381\t275320\t跟社委法有關的話我們就是盡量有些非常熱心的這個警員願意來處理所謂的不持續噪音因為它已經造成人民生活上面的安寧上很大的困擾但是如果每一件都需要來警察來出門來處理這個事情的話我是覺得說確實是有很大的困擾這個要跟委員報告一下所以我的意思是說因為這個規定是在這個內政部警政署它處理辦法裡面它所寫的啦\n276621\t300340\t就是說不持續性或不易測量的部分因為我們警政機關也沒有測量的意思對 所以就是說這樣的話人民就會覺得無所適從所以是不是請環境部這邊跟警政署環境部今天有派人來嗎是不是來解釋一下其實我這邊有個解答啦就是說一般民眾來講遇到噪音問題的時候其實要打也不是要報警也不是打環境部要打1999所以兩個部門可以同理合作我們是不是請環境部來講一下\n301641\t322976\t是委員好那就確實就誠如委員所說針對這個噪音部分實際上我們有跟警政署還有還有內政部營建署有合作就針對可以量測的部分好持續性然後這部分由我們來處理那人和動物噪音這部分我們有分工在1999那邊有做一個分工人和動物部分會請警察\n323416\t335955\t那可以量測的部分全部有我們環保單位那我們實際上我們環保單位跟警政單位我們實際上有在跨部會合作這邊我們有持續在在精進這些相關的一些可以處理的部分只要可以量測的部分全部都是由我們環保機關來做一個處理\n338581\t360697\t好 謝謝所以我的拜託就是說現在我認為社會法的部分就噪音防治的這個部分其實就是兩邊的標準是不一樣的可是民眾最想要得到的就是說他可以有個很快速比如說我已經被炒了三天睡不著了如果再找環境部來撤的時候其實有時候民眾跟民眾之間就會發生爭執所以這才是社會法會出動的情況先請警察先去做一個勸說的情況\n361878\t389055\t所以就是說要拜託這個不管是警政單位或環境單位大家要通力合作才能解決民眾的問題那以現在的現行的這個法規來看處理辦法來講的話就變成說許多的責任都會因為講白的就是說民眾也不知道如何測量那警政單位也沒有相關的測量的儀器就會通通都會到這個處理辦法由警察單位來去做相關的處理可是它又沒有相關的其實講白的就是說它真正能裁罰的\n390055\t411603\t用社會法來裁罰的案例用非常的少結果變成說到最後就是民眾苦不堪言或者是造成民眾整個長期之間因為它是一個不連續性不持續性的一個噪音造成這樣的問題我覺得這還是民眾所擔心的問題好 謝謝那最後再請教一個問題就是說有關於今天大家討論到很多的這個黃牛票的問題\n412523\t441347\t其實黃牛票的問題其實現在就警政單位來講其實現在還是用社委法來去做一個這個處理所以為什麼今天那麼多委員會提到黃牛票的取締範圍要加重因為如果沒有加重的話其實現在本席所擔心的是因為現在大家比如說看演唱會的時候外面很多警察單位的人員會去抓黃牛票這個動作其實我是不是可以請部長解釋一下他是依照什麼樣的法令去抓這些在販賣黃牛票的人\n441748\t444544\t我是不是可以請我們警政署來跟好 可以 謝謝\n447323\t458426\t現在黃牛票已經有定有專法了比方像藝文的部分演唱會就是由文化部來做中了已經沒有再適用設置法了這個適用比如講像那個運動賽事啦像這些那個職棒的這些這個運動產業這一次專法那這個都分別在112年跟113年這兩個法都已經有這個立法的專法\n473909\t485256\t現在我們現在現在看現在看到長江的朋友都已經應用到這個專法已經排除這個設置設置法的應用了所以沒有沒有用沒有適用這個設置法了沒有沒有用這個\n488225\t507812\t因為涉事法這個處罰大概就是比較輕那這一個包括文創法或者是那個運動產業的這個專法那它的處罰行政法跟刑事法我請教署長那現在比如說很多人在這個小巨蛋或大巨蛋外面賣黃牛票那警察單位執法的部分他是用什麼\n508032\t529862\t是協助的一個角度那現在就是現在現在的主管之間是文化部那如果再到這個到各縣市的話就是文化局那如果說文化局他們有派人到縣市是請警察單位去來做稽查還是文化部文化部會提供這些他們掃的到這些資料提供我們來做查集\n530382\t546579\t沒錯 所以意思就是說當然我們是需要覺得是說當然警察人員都非常的辛苦可是如果沒有相關應的法令去應對比如說現在非常多型態的比如說演唱會或是是一些車票或是現在更進一步的\n547119\t570769\t譬如說現在代排醫院、代排隊的這些問題沒有用社會法的部分增加它的整個實用範圍讓警察同仁有一個執勤的動作的時候就變成說警察單位同仁是不是就我自己的猜想是他們只能去收集這樣的資訊然後交給相關單位的人員他沒有辦法現場就做一個制止的行為那這是我認為說就像我剛剛跟部長請教的就是民眾一開始\n571209\t588379\t他因為一些法律上的一些問題他沒有辦法及時的取得他解決問題的一個方式就變成說要長時間等待可是時間常常就過了以後這個事情的嚴重程度也下降了所以這邊要拜託署長這是我提出來的跟您的請教是好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"各位委員各位官員大家早我們是請劉部長劉部長有請好謝謝劉部長那今天討論的是有關於這個社委法的修法的部分那今天的面向也很多那本席這邊要跟部長請教的首先就是有關於社委法的一些重要的修法部分\n那其實要先跟部長報告社會法的修法其實對我們一般的老百姓非常重要尤其在很多小老百姓他們所重視的一些內容希望說可以得到及時而且快速的一個處理那首先我要先跟部長請教說裡面今天討論的部分有關於這個噪音的問題其實也是這次生活噪音的問題也是這次修法的一個內容\n那主要的原因就是說 現在大家知道嘛雖然現在有色違法跟現在的噪音防治法等等相關的一些法令可是民眾還是很多的受到一些困擾比如說居家噪音啊比如說樓上有時候晚上凌晨的時候有寵物在叫或喧嘩吵鬧或是有人在那邊敲敲敲或唱歌或有些洗衣機的運轉這些東西\n那其實這些都是應該都是屬於一種噪音而且造成這個民眾有時候苦不堪言那他們第一個想法都會覺得是說先報警要先報警可是報警的部分其實警察能做的方式相對於來講是比較少的那在您的那個我們內政部的報告裡面也寫說希望說未來這個\n內容應該由環境機關來負責那這邊我要請教就是說其實我認為是說其實環境相關機關應該跟這個內政警政機關相關一起來合作因為現在遇到的問題是說就這個社會法的部分它的有一個執法\n是要求說以這個不持續性或不易測量可是會妨礙他人生活安寧的這個用色違法可是對環境部而言他是認為持續性連續兩分鐘以上的才是環境部來去做處理所以這樣子讓人民會覺得無所適從\n就是一般人民比如說遇到噪音的時候他是先打電話報警可是打電話報警的時候他可能沒有找環境部來做處理所以變成說環境部也沒有來處理造成民眾這個有一點點不知道要怎麼去做所以我想要請教部長的\n環境部的報告裡面有寫說他是只管不持續性的他是寫說不持續性的他就不罰導致很多的生活噪音是由警方來處理就是說這樣的法規設計是否會有點本末倒置那你其實在你在你的這個整個報告裡面最後一頁其實你有寫說你們現在已經對社維法要進行相關的處理所以本席是不是想要請教你們現在針對相關的法律你們是要其實民眾他們所擔心的就噪音的問題到底警察單位跟\n環保單位他們是要怎麼來通力來協助然後去解決人民的問題是有關噪音管制法的部分當然主管機關是環境部那環境部有代表過來我想是不是可以請他們一起來回應剛剛委員所垂詢的問題但是有關於這個社福法社維法它社維法是管的是就是不持續性的所以民眾\n不是 我要跟委員報告不持續性的部分的話它的定義確實很困擾譬如說家裡面養的狗大吠了兩聲然後你就要打電話找警察警察到了時候狗就沒有再吠了\n那我們要罰誰所以事實上所謂的不持續噪音裡面的定義所謂的不持續的部分就是說它已經發生過一次然後兩次三次然後大家造成非常大的困擾\n譬如說半夜三更有人唱歌那這個部分一般公益大廈的管委會他也必須要來做這個有效的協調那如果你都要動用到警察的話因為警察真正的一個業務其實就是在有關於刑事上面的部分\n跟社委法有關的話我們就是盡量有些非常熱心的這個警員願意來處理所謂的不持續噪音因為它已經造成人民生活上面的安寧上很大的困擾但是如果每一件都需要來警察來出門來處理這個事情的話我是覺得說確實是有很大的困擾這個要跟委員報告一下所以我的意思是說因為這個規定是在這個內政部警政署它處理辦法裡面它所寫的啦\n就是說不持續性或不易測量的部分因為我們警政機關也沒有測量的意思對 所以就是說這樣的話人民就會覺得無所適從所以是不是請環境部這邊跟警政署環境部今天有派人來嗎是不是來解釋一下其實我這邊有個解答啦就是說一般民眾來講遇到噪音問題的時候其實要打也不是要報警也不是打環境部要打1999所以兩個部門可以同理合作我們是不是請環境部來講一下\n是委員好那就確實就誠如委員所說針對這個噪音部分實際上我們有跟警政署還有還有內政部營建署有合作就針對可以量測的部分好持續性然後這部分由我們來處理那人和動物噪音這部分我們有分工在1999那邊有做一個分工人和動物部分會請警察\n那可以量測的部分全部有我們環保單位那我們實際上我們環保單位跟警政單位我們實際上有在跨部會合作這邊我們有持續在在精進這些相關的一些可以處理的部分只要可以量測的部分全部都是由我們環保機關來做一個處理\n好 謝謝所以我的拜託就是說現在我認為社會法的部分就噪音防治的這個部分其實就是兩邊的標準是不一樣的可是民眾最想要得到的就是說他可以有個很快速比如說我已經被炒了三天睡不著了如果再找環境部來撤的時候其實有時候民眾跟民眾之間就會發生爭執所以這才是社會法會出動的情況先請警察先去做一個勸說的情況\n所以就是說要拜託這個不管是警政單位或環境單位大家要通力合作才能解決民眾的問題那以現在的現行的這個法規來看處理辦法來講的話就變成說許多的責任都會因為講白的就是說民眾也不知道如何測量那警政單位也沒有相關的測量的儀器就會通通都會到這個處理辦法由警察單位來去做相關的處理可是它又沒有相關的其實講白的就是說它真正能裁罰的\n用社會法來裁罰的案例用非常的少結果變成說到最後就是民眾苦不堪言或者是造成民眾整個長期之間因為它是一個不連續性不持續性的一個噪音造成這樣的問題我覺得這還是民眾所擔心的問題好 謝謝那最後再請教一個問題就是說有關於今天大家討論到很多的這個黃牛票的問題\n其實黃牛票的問題其實現在就警政單位來講其實現在還是用社委法來去做一個這個處理所以為什麼今天那麼多委員會提到黃牛票的取締範圍要加重因為如果沒有加重的話其實現在本席所擔心的是因為現在大家比如說看演唱會的時候外面很多警察單位的人員會去抓黃牛票這個動作其實我是不是可以請部長解釋一下他是依照什麼樣的法令去抓這些在販賣黃牛票的人\n我是不是可以請我們警政署來跟好 可以 謝謝\n現在黃牛票已經有定有專法了比方像藝文的部分演唱會就是由文化部來做中了已經沒有再適用設置法了這個適用比如講像那個運動賽事啦像這些那個職棒的這些這個運動產業這一次專法那這個都分別在112年跟113年這兩個法都已經有這個立法的專法\n現在我們現在現在看現在看到長江的朋友都已經應用到這個專法已經排除這個設置設置法的應用了所以沒有沒有用沒有適用這個設置法了沒有沒有用這個\n因為涉事法這個處罰大概就是比較輕那這一個包括文創法或者是那個運動產業的這個專法那它的處罰行政法跟刑事法我請教署長那現在比如說很多人在這個小巨蛋或大巨蛋外面賣黃牛票那警察單位執法的部分他是用什麼\n是協助的一個角度那現在就是現在現在的主管之間是文化部那如果再到這個到各縣市的話就是文化局那如果說文化局他們有派人到縣市是請警察單位去來做稽查還是文化部文化部會提供這些他們掃的到這些資料提供我們來做查集\n沒錯 所以意思就是說當然我們是需要覺得是說當然警察人員都非常的辛苦可是如果沒有相關應的法令去應對比如說現在非常多型態的比如說演唱會或是是一些車票或是現在更進一步的\n譬如說現在代排醫院、代排隊的這些問題沒有用社會法的部分增加它的整個實用範圍讓警察同仁有一個執勤的動作的時候就變成說警察單位同仁是不是就我自己的猜想是他們只能去收集這樣的資訊然後交給相關單位的人員他沒有辦法現場就做一個制止的行為那這是我認為說就像我剛剛跟部長請教的就是民眾一開始\n他因為一些法律上的一些問題他沒有辦法及時的取得他解決問題的一個方式就變成說要長時間等待可是時間常常就過了以後這個事情的嚴重程度也下降了所以這邊要拜託署長這是我提出來的跟您的請教是好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:19.344\n各位委員各位官員大家早我們是請劉部長劉部長有請好謝謝劉部長那今天討論的是有關於這個社委法的修法的部分那今天的面向也很多那本席這邊要跟部長請教的首先就是有關於社委法的一些重要的修法部分\n\n00:19.684 --> 00:45.613\n那其實要先跟部長報告社會法的修法其實對我們一般的老百姓非常重要尤其在很多小老百姓他們所重視的一些內容希望說可以得到及時而且快速的一個處理那首先我要先跟部長請教說裡面今天討論的部分有關於這個噪音的問題其實也是這次生活噪音的問題也是這次修法的一個內容\n\n00:47.614 --> 01:10.449\n那主要的原因就是說現在大家知道嘛雖然現在有色違法跟現在的噪音防治法等等相關的一些法令可是民眾還是很多的受到一些困擾比如說居家噪音啊比如說樓上有時候晚上凌晨的時候有寵物在叫或喧嘩吵鬧或是有人在那邊敲敲敲或唱歌或有些洗衣機的運轉這些東西\n\n01:12.350 --> 01:34.139\n那其實這些都是應該都是屬於一種噪音而且造成這個民眾有時候苦不堪言那他們第一個想法都會覺得是說先報警要先報警可是報警的部分其實警察能做的方式相對於來講是比較少的那在您的那個我們內政部的報告裡面也寫說希望說未來這個\n\n01:36.122 --> 01:54.621\n內容應該由環境機關來負責那這邊我要請教就是說其實我認為是說其實環境相關機關應該跟這個內政警政機關相關一起來合作因為現在遇到的問題是說就這個社會法的部分它的有一個執法\n\n01:55.422 --> 02:10.262\n是要求說以這個不持續性或不易測量可是會妨礙他人生活安寧的這個用色違法可是對環境部而言他是認為持續性連續兩分鐘以上的才是環境部來去做處理所以這樣子讓人民會覺得無所適從\n\n02:11.724 --> 02:26.218\n就是一般人民比如說遇到噪音的時候他是先打電話報警可是打電話報警的時候他可能沒有找環境部來做處理所以變成說環境部也沒有來處理造成民眾這個有一點點不知道要怎麼去做所以我想要請教部長的\n\n02:26.958 --> 02:55.716\n環境部的報告裡面有寫說他是只管不持續性的他是寫說不持續性的他就不罰導致很多的生活噪音是由警方來處理就是說這樣的法規設計是否會有點本末倒置那你其實在你在你的這個整個報告裡面最後一頁其實你有寫說你們現在已經對社維法要進行相關的處理所以本席是不是想要請教你們現在針對相關的法律你們是要其實民眾他們所擔心的就噪音的問題到底警察單位跟\n\n02:56.756 --> 03:18.729\n環保單位他們是要怎麼來通力來協助然後去解決人民的問題是有關噪音管制法的部分當然主管機關是環境部那環境部有代表過來我想是不是可以請他們一起來回應剛剛委員所垂詢的問題但是有關於這個社福法社維法它社維法是管的是就是不持續性的所以民眾\n\n03:19.389 --> 03:26.831\n不是我要跟委員報告不持續性的部分的話它的定義確實很困擾譬如說家裡面養的狗大吠了兩聲然後你就要打電話找警察警察到了時候狗就沒有再吠了\n\n03:34.974 --> 03:38.538\n那我們要罰誰所以事實上所謂的不持續噪音裡面的定義所謂的不持續的部分就是說它已經發生過一次然後兩次三次然後大家造成非常大的困擾\n\n03:50.251 --> 04:08.921\n譬如說半夜三更有人唱歌那這個部分一般公益大廈的管委會他也必須要來做這個有效的協調那如果你都要動用到警察的話因為警察真正的一個業務其實就是在有關於刑事上面的部分\n\n04:09.381 --> 04:35.320\n跟社委法有關的話我們就是盡量有些非常熱心的這個警員願意來處理所謂的不持續噪音因為它已經造成人民生活上面的安寧上很大的困擾但是如果每一件都需要來警察來出門來處理這個事情的話我是覺得說確實是有很大的困擾這個要跟委員報告一下所以我的意思是說因為這個規定是在這個內政部警政署它處理辦法裡面它所寫的啦\n\n04:36.621 --> 05:00.340\n就是說不持續性或不易測量的部分因為我們警政機關也沒有測量的意思對所以就是說這樣的話人民就會覺得無所適從所以是不是請環境部這邊跟警政署環境部今天有派人來嗎是不是來解釋一下其實我這邊有個解答啦就是說一般民眾來講遇到噪音問題的時候其實要打也不是要報警也不是打環境部要打1999所以兩個部門可以同理合作我們是不是請環境部來講一下\n\n05:01.641 --> 05:22.976\n是委員好那就確實就誠如委員所說針對這個噪音部分實際上我們有跟警政署還有還有內政部營建署有合作就針對可以量測的部分好持續性然後這部分由我們來處理那人和動物噪音這部分我們有分工在1999那邊有做一個分工人和動物部分會請警察\n\n05:23.416 --> 05:35.955\n那可以量測的部分全部有我們環保單位那我們實際上我們環保單位跟警政單位我們實際上有在跨部會合作這邊我們有持續在在精進這些相關的一些可以處理的部分只要可以量測的部分全部都是由我們環保機關來做一個處理\n\n05:38.581 --> 06:00.697\n好謝謝所以我的拜託就是說現在我認為社會法的部分就噪音防治的這個部分其實就是兩邊的標準是不一樣的可是民眾最想要得到的就是說他可以有個很快速比如說我已經被炒了三天睡不著了如果再找環境部來撤的時候其實有時候民眾跟民眾之間就會發生爭執所以這才是社會法會出動的情況先請警察先去做一個勸說的情況\n\n06:01.878 --> 06:29.055\n所以就是說要拜託這個不管是警政單位或環境單位大家要通力合作才能解決民眾的問題那以現在的現行的這個法規來看處理辦法來講的話就變成說許多的責任都會因為講白的就是說民眾也不知道如何測量那警政單位也沒有相關的測量的儀器就會通通都會到這個處理辦法由警察單位來去做相關的處理可是它又沒有相關的其實講白的就是說它真正能裁罰的\n\n06:30.055 --> 06:51.603\n用社會法來裁罰的案例用非常的少結果變成說到最後就是民眾苦不堪言或者是造成民眾整個長期之間因為它是一個不連續性不持續性的一個噪音造成這樣的問題我覺得這還是民眾所擔心的問題好謝謝那最後再請教一個問題就是說有關於今天大家討論到很多的這個黃牛票的問題\n\n06:52.523 --> 07:21.347\n其實黃牛票的問題其實現在就警政單位來講其實現在還是用社委法來去做一個這個處理所以為什麼今天那麼多委員會提到黃牛票的取締範圍要加重因為如果沒有加重的話其實現在本席所擔心的是因為現在大家比如說看演唱會的時候外面很多警察單位的人員會去抓黃牛票這個動作其實我是不是可以請部長解釋一下他是依照什麼樣的法令去抓這些在販賣黃牛票的人\n\n07:21.748 --> 07:24.544\n我是不是可以請我們警政署來跟好可以謝謝\n\n07:27.323 --> 07:38.426\n現在黃牛票已經有定有專法了比方像藝文的部分演唱會就是由文化部來做中了已經沒有再適用設置法了這個適用比如講像那個運動賽事啦像這些那個職棒的這些這個運動產業這一次專法那這個都分別在112年跟113年這兩個法都已經有這個立法的專法\n\n07:53.909 --> 08:05.256\n現在我們現在現在看現在看到長江的朋友都已經應用到這個專法已經排除這個設置設置法的應用了所以沒有沒有用沒有適用這個設置法了沒有沒有用這個\n\n08:08.225 --> 08:27.812\n因為涉事法這個處罰大概就是比較輕那這一個包括文創法或者是那個運動產業的這個專法那它的處罰行政法跟刑事法我請教署長那現在比如說很多人在這個小巨蛋或大巨蛋外面賣黃牛票那警察單位執法的部分他是用什麼\n\n08:28.032 --> 08:49.862\n是協助的一個角度那現在就是現在現在的主管之間是文化部那如果再到這個到各縣市的話就是文化局那如果說文化局他們有派人到縣市是請警察單位去來做稽查還是文化部文化部會提供這些他們掃的到這些資料提供我們來做查集\n\n08:50.382 --> 09:06.579\n沒錯所以意思就是說當然我們是需要覺得是說當然警察人員都非常的辛苦可是如果沒有相關應的法令去應對比如說現在非常多型態的比如說演唱會或是是一些車票或是現在更進一步的\n\n09:07.119 --> 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