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00:01:56,272\n你可以Google一下你在Google上搜尋代掛號三個字你就發現一堆有的沒的的網站就連這個知名的網站上面都有而且直接明碼標示你要在哪一間醫院掛號要收多少錢那舉例來看有一個叫做KK代掛號的網站上什麼都有包括大型的醫院診所中醫國術館甚至連什麼動物醫院都可以代掛號\n\n6\n00:01:57,861 --> 00:02:23,989\n那因此我們希望在這我們64條的條文裡面現行的條文裡面將醫療行為也納入在裡面就是希望能夠減少黃牛的猖獗我們不想要看到真正有需要看病的病人被排擠那所以本席也會連署因為這樣連署我們邱委員的提案將醫療代過號的黃牛行為也納入罰則就是在同時也加重罰則維護我們國人公平就業的這個權益\n\n7\n00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:42,378\n那不過我們在內政部的抱怨看到就建議不修法了理由是因為要回歸各票卷主管機關依法管理查處那本席認為現在目前針對黃流票的樣態雖然是各機關都有他專業認定跟權責不過\n\n8\n00:02:45,612 --> 00:02:59,530\n部長我們現行的這個社會法64條裡面它就有針對運輸然後遊樂票券的黃牛行為進行裁罰那因此本來就有的社會法裡面的東西我們就希望能夠把醫療的這個醫療帶掛的這個行為能夠加強來防範喔那\n\n9\n00:03:04,016 --> 00:03:26,168\n目前我們衛福部裡面並沒有這個法則所以才希望在社會維護法裡面加進去然後至少先維護我們民眾的權益獲得保障所以本是希望內政部身為我們社會法的主管機關應該是要站在維護社會秩序的立法精神幫民眾來守護權益不是把這件事給他們保護希望這個部分內政部可以好好來檢視\n\n10\n00:03:27,569 --> 00:03:54,123\n那第二個部分我們就針對72條這也是很多委員提到72條的部分我們常常在社會新聞裡面看到的類似的情形就是酒醉鬧事、聲譽喧嘩、民眾受不了打電話報警然後警方到現場去規勸開罰然後這一次我們國民黨委員提出的修法裡面希望在這樣的行為上加重罰則讓我們員警執勤的時候力量能夠更強一點我們希望能夠在既有的法源上\n\n11\n00:03:55,239 --> 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謝謝主席 我們有請內政部 劉部長劉部長有請部長好 部長今天我們針對那個思維法的修法喔就是災黨立委有提出的修法的方向這樣除了針對原本的第九條條文有關這個嬰雅人的用詞應該予以修正外喔另外包括跟民生生活息息相關的一些面向的一些修正像是黃流票還有噪音這些都是移民用案被審才檢定的事情喔\n那我想這一黨立委也認為應該要修法納入違規的樣態並且要加重罰則讓我們執行單位能夠更有力道不過本席從內政部報告裡面看到只有好像只有同意修正英雅人的用詞其他像是什麼針對黃油票啊 噪音加重罰則啊\n內政部都是不建議修正那本席認為內政部這樣幾個說法其實跟民眾實際上的感受跟需求是有落差的那接下來就幾個例子跟部長來討論首先我們針對黃樓配套部分在2023年的時候我們通過這個叫文化創意產業發展法還有運動產業發展條例\n雖然都已經針對這個票券的販售進行規範保障民眾不管是參加演唱會或是看這個運動賽事的這個公平的權益減少黃牛的這個長訣但隨著高齡化社會的來臨醫療需求不斷的增加現在現在連醫療過後的黃牛票也越來越嚴重\n你可以Google一下你在Google上搜尋代掛號三個字你就發現一堆有的沒的的網站就連這個知名的網站上面都有而且直接明碼標示你要在哪一間醫院掛號要收多少錢那舉例來看有一個叫做KK代掛號的網站上什麼都有包括大型的醫院 診所 中醫 國術館甚至連什麼動物醫院都可以代掛號\n那因此我們希望在這我們64條的條文裡面現行的條文裡面將醫療行為也納入在裡面就是希望能夠減少黃牛的猖獗我們不想要看到真正有需要看病的病人被排擠那所以本席也會連署因為這樣連署我們邱委員的提案將醫療代過號的黃牛行為也納入罰則就是在同時也加重罰則維護我們國人公平就業的這個權益\n那不過我們在內政部的抱怨看到就建議不修法了理由是因為要回歸各票卷主管機關依法管理查處那本席認為現在目前針對黃流票的樣態雖然是各機關都有他專業認定跟權責不過\n部長我們現行的這個社會法64條裡面它就有針對運輸然後遊樂票券的黃牛行為進行裁罰那因此本來就有的社會法裡面的東西我們就希望能夠把醫療的這個醫療帶掛的這個行為能夠加強來防範喔那\n目前我們衛福部裡面並沒有這個法則所以才希望在社會維護法裡面加進去然後至少先維護我們民眾的權益獲得保障所以本是希望內政部身為我們社會法的主管機關應該是要站在維護社會秩序的立法精神幫民眾來守護權益不是把這件事給他們保護希望這個部分內政部可以好好來檢視\n那第二個部分我們就針對72條這也是很多委員提到72條的部分我們常常在社會新聞裡面看到的類似的情形就是酒醉鬧事、聲譽喧嘩、民眾受不了打電話報警然後警方到現場去規勸開罰然後這一次我們國民黨委員提出的修法裡面希望在這樣的行為上加重罰則讓我們員警執勤的時候力量能夠更強一點我們希望能夠在既有的法源上\n加強力道減少民眾破壞安寧的這個行為我們在報告裡面要看到就是一般民眾的檢舉照一旦見可以自行測量音量並記錄提供裁判機關作為證據那內政部自己也說環保機關認定標準必須\n時序不間斷兩分鐘以上才可以適用噪音管制法時序兩分鐘以上喔他如果沒在兩分鐘這就沒辦法喔你的那個噪音法就沒有辦法管理他喔那另外更重要的是說部長那個我不知道部長家裡面有沒有測量分配的這個機器沒有我們也沒有啊我們要怎麼檢查民眾要怎麼檢查\n而且最重要的是那個噪音一定是連續性的嗎它會固定一分鐘叫一次一分鐘叫一次或三十分鐘叫一次嗎這個也不容易認定啦那民眾真的會求助我們其實本席也會常常收到這樣民眾的電話我也知道這樣子其實對我們員警的期望真的會增加所以我們希望這些東西真的要加重\n這樣沒有辦法認定的時候民眾又求助無門那民眾遇到這種事該怎麼辦我想如果說\n如果說民眾要執行修正跟環保機關檢舉,這個一個晚上都不用睡了,在那裡插著就不用睡了所以作為我們72條的修正條文,我們內政部在這個回應上本是也不以為然我再次強調,針對喝酒鬧事、深切喧嘩的這種擾民的行為72條條文目前是第一線執行嚴謹很重要的依據\n那我們也在保護民眾的這個關鍵的法令現在修法的方向就是要加重加重他的法則希望能夠減少類似的情形發生而不是我們並沒有要增加新的法讓我們的員警增加的請勿我們只希望在現有的法令上能夠加重法則減少這些擾民的行為的發生這樣希望能夠讓我們百姓能夠\n不用再受這些噪音干擾那這部分我希望內政部也能夠好好的來檢討那以上的質詢謝謝部長也謝謝署長也希望能夠來檢討這樣的法令的方向好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.129 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