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00:03:18,729\n那麼調查完之後我們是不是在談判桌上可以拿到我們優勢的部分我們可以有競爭力就像部長所說的今天如果大家都起頭是OK可是如果沒有呢\n\n11\n00:03:20,024 --> 00:03:42,109\n這才是我們現在希望跟我們的產業界變成來打一支強大的國家隊非常重要的一個關鍵部長你要回應是報告委員我想這個這一部分我想你也非常清楚我們會根據這個四個四大項裡面大概電子資訊這個產品是最多的\n\n12\n00:03:42,969 --> 00:04:08,761\n這大概佔了百分之八十了那這一部分其實台灣都是優勢商品是都優勢商品我們也都問過了大概因啊遭受到的問題不會很大反而是剛才你在講汽車零組件升級醫藥這一部分呢受到的衝擊會比較大一點所以我們會根據每一個廠商譬如說我們現在面臨問題是90天內我們怎麼幫助他\n\n13\n00:04:09,701 --> 00:04:36,747\n所以90天以後的確定的關稅以後我們怎麼幫助他第二階段第一階段就像我第一時間拿那個圖表其實說真的現在是急診期急診期因為突然之間收到這個訊息這90天是因為他剛好又有一個緩衝90天所以這90天的我們的急診期那這個急診期大家在急診的時間要怎麼做第二階段確定了\n\n14\n00:04:37,287 --> 00:04:54,055\n好我們要怎麼協助產業所以部長這就是我要再問你的我們880億那卓院長有說了不一定是880億只要產業別有需要我們的特別條例過了特別預算有可能再增加所以因為\n\n15\n00:04:55,316 --> 00:05:13,150\n我們看到川普總統不斷的在改變他的策略所以我們要不斷的調整並不是像第一時間好我們說在14號我們要提出這個第一波的我們的所有產業的一個補助跟所有的一個支持方案\n\n16\n00:05:14,091 --> 00:05:37,914\n可是問題是在14號以前川普總統一天好幾遍啊所以我們當然就要依照他的一個變化去做不斷的調整我們要做的是讓人民有感的而不是說好像當時候第一時間川普總統說了我們完全毫無變通的方式就照那個做那出來就沒什麼了\n\n17\n00:05:39,099 --> 00:05:59,650\n所以我認為說今天在整個支持方案我們的原則要兼顧到包括金融的支持行政成本的支持產業競爭力的提升支持還有如何開拓多元市場的支持甚至是租稅優惠因為現在\n\n18\n00:06:03,346 --> 00:06:29,882\n我們怎麼讓他更有競爭力租稅也很重要再來安定就業這個是關鍵你不能一下子再爭取政府的預算一下子再裁員一下子再放無薪假這樣跟我們的出發點是完全不同所以部長這幾個原則我們要兼顧住可是只要產業像你所說的我們個別\n\n19\n00:06:31,515 --> 00:06:59,729\n單向去依照每個產業每個企業的需求他們可能回報回來預算會更多沒有問題我覺得現在大家是要變國家隊啦台灣隊啦去誰要做出來啦去誰要做出來你們要怎麼去擔保所以部長這個部分再麻煩你們已經有方向了嗎是確實是如這個委員所關注的我們都有確定的方向\n\n20\n00:07:00,689 --> 00:07:30,049\n包括這一次可能受到衝擊比較大的我們的評估說比較衝擊比較大就是還是傳統產業那比較弱勢的包括扣件包括這個螺絲包括工具機包括手工具或者水五金等等機械這個工具機等等這一些可能遭受到衝擊的我們會針對這個衝擊的方面給予一些調適那幾個措施剛才委員也有指教了\n\n21\n00:07:31,609 --> 00:07:50,614\n目標是確定的啦但是我們會落實經濟部底下的機構法人機構我們有20個法人機構作為平台平台來實施教他們AI來轉型第二個透過ASCO讓他節能減淡我們ASCO另外有費用\n\n22\n00:07:51,334 --> 00:08:17,379\n然後可以讓他這個設備老舊的設備趁這一波可以來以舊換新等等這一些根據每一家廠商的需求不一樣但是我們有很多的籌碼都可以整合成一次來協助他們這一點呢也謝謝委員的關心我們會有方法的對那個急救的部分而不是說只給他錢沒有我們是教他\n\n23\n00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,814\n怎么样子能够钓到鱼捕到鱼然后告诉他我们的法人机构\n\n24\n00:08:24,833 --> 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藥品關鍵礦物等等這幾樣那這裡面有部分其實我們台南都占到蠻大宗的尤其在汽車的零組件這個部分\n51204\t58702\t我想請問我們怎麼來協助他們如果在美國受到美國國安調查的部分這怎麼辦\n60294\t80314\t我們現在大概對美國汽車的部分我們有幾個措施就是說我們會對成立這個計畫推動國際品牌車廠跟國內整車代工廠的合作我們會通盤考量關稅貨物稅等因素作為對美關稅談判的籌碼\n83657\t109687\t政府一定会基于政策发展消费者权益跟台湾经贸考量进行全盘性的这些评估以后再根据未来的跟美方谈判的状况来决定相关的方案但是对业者业者他实际的碰到的状况可能每一家都不一样跟我们报告经济部的立场就透过座谈\n110592\t127013\t然後一家一家的去看他們需要我們各別盤整因為確實部長你講了一個很重要的就是每一個企業雖然他可能都是汽車零組件可是他遇到的問題不一樣\n128675\t142071\t他遇到的問題形形色色所以我們一定要盤點我們直接一對一單向了解他的需求這才是重要所以包括我們鋼鐵跟旅財\n145454\t151117\t這個當中我們輸美的金額是76億美元汽車領主金額這是台南而已是53億美元喔電子資訊產品是792億美元生技醫藥是10億美元這是我們台南的在地生產\n162441\t181973\t所以在這個部分我們如何依照各個單項了解才能夠讓他們有感尤其這一波是突然發生的大家可能都沒預期到而且他又一直不斷地強調要去做所謂的一個國安調查\n182953\t198729\t那麼調查完之後我們是不是在談判桌上可以拿到我們優勢的部分我們可以有競爭力就像部長所說的今天如果大家都起頭是OK可是如果沒有呢\n200024\t222109\t這才是我們現在希望跟我們的產業界變成來打一支強大的國家隊非常重要的一個關鍵部長你要回應是 報告委員我想這個這一部分我想你也非常清楚我們會根據這個四個四大項裡面大概電子資訊這個產品是最多的\n222969\t248761\t這大概佔了百分之八十了那這一部分其實台灣都是優勢商品是都優勢商品我們也都問過了大概因啊遭受到的問題不會很大反而是剛才你在講汽車零組件升級醫藥這一部分呢受到的衝擊會比較大一點所以我們會根據每一個廠商譬如說我們現在面臨問題是90天內我們怎麼幫助他\n249701\t276747\t所以90天以後的確定的關稅以後我們怎麼幫助他第二階段第一階段就像我第一時間拿那個圖表其實說真的現在是急診期急診期因為突然之間收到這個訊息這90天是因為他剛好又有一個緩衝90天所以這90天的我們的急診期那這個急診期大家在急診的時間要怎麼做第二階段確定了\n277287\t294055\t好我們要怎麼協助產業所以部長這就是我要再問你的我們880億那卓院長有說了不一定是880億只要產業別有需要我們的特別條例過了特別預算有可能再增加所以因為\n295316\t313150\t我們看到川普總統不斷的在改變他的策略所以我們要不斷的調整並不是像第一時間好我們說在14號我們要提出這個第一波的我們的所有產業的一個補助跟所有的一個支持方案\n314091\t337914\t可是問題是在14號以前 川普總統一天好幾遍啊所以我們當然就要依照他的一個變化 去做不斷的調整我們要做的是讓人民有感的而不是說好像當時候第一時間 川普總統說了我們完全毫無變通的方式 就照那個做 那出來就沒什麼了\n339099\t359650\t所以我認為說今天在整個支持方案我們的原則要兼顧到包括金融的支持行政成本的支持產業競爭力的提升支持還有如何開拓多元市場的支持甚至是租稅優惠因為現在\n363346\t389882\t我們怎麼讓他更有競爭力 租稅也很重要再來安定就業 這個是關鍵你不能一下子再爭取政府的預算一下子再裁員一下子再放無薪假這樣跟我們的出發點是完全不同所以部長這幾個原則我們要兼顧住可是只要產業像你所說的我們個別\n391515\t419729\t單向去依照每個產業 每個企業的需求他們可能回報回來 預算會更多沒有問題 我覺得現在大家是要變國家隊啦台灣隊啦 去誰要做出來啦去誰要做出來 你們要怎麼去擔保所以部長這個部分 再麻煩你們已經有方向了嗎是 確實是 如這個委員所關注的我們都有確定的方向\n420689\t450049\t包括這一次可能受到衝擊比較大的我們的評估說比較衝擊比較大就是還是傳統產業那比較弱勢的包括扣件包括這個螺絲包括工具機包括手工具或者水五金等等機械這個工具機等等這一些可能遭受到衝擊的我們會針對這個衝擊的方面給予一些調適那幾個措施剛才委員也有指教了\n451609\t470614\t目標是確定的啦但是我們會落實經濟部底下的機構法人機構我們有20個法人機構作為平台平台來實施教他們AI來轉型第二個透過ASCO讓他節能減淡我們ASCO另外有費用\n471334\t497379\t然後可以讓他這個設備老舊的設備趁這一波可以來以舊換新等等這一些根據每一家廠商的需求不一樣但是我們有很多的籌碼都可以整合成一次來協助他們這一點呢也謝謝委員的關心我們會有方法的對那個急救的部分而不是說只給他錢沒有我們是教他\n498040\t503814\t怎么样子能够钓到鱼捕到鱼然后告诉他我们的法人机构\n504833\t532728\t要有耐心不是只有去給人家丟個東西不不不 這都有記點的喔不會 沒錯很重要20個法人不要只是去哇 你怎麼怎麼走啊拍拍屁股就走了不不不 報告委員他們要到我們法人機構來實作來實施 來做那請律師就要在我們的工廠裡面請阿嘎跟阿鄉所以我們的棒餅都要給他去做\n533715\t554346\t部長目標確定這是我們的特別條例預算我們要盤整針對每個企業每個產業別他們的需求然後做最能夠到位的預算最有管的預算好這個部分拜託大家都在看大家都在期待謝謝部長好謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝 謝謝主席我們是不是請我們的部長\n委員長我先請教一下我們台南在地產業在第一線的這些這個產業別有受到美國國安調查的衝擊包括鋼鋁 汽車 半導體 藥品關鍵礦物等等這幾樣那這裡面有部分其實我們台南都占到蠻大宗的尤其在汽車的零組件這個部分\n我想請問我們怎麼來協助他們如果在美國受到美國國安調查的部分這怎麼辦\n我們現在大概對美國汽車的部分我們有幾個措施就是說我們會對成立這個計畫推動國際品牌車廠跟國內整車代工廠的合作我們會通盤考量關稅貨物稅等因素作為對美關稅談判的籌碼\n政府一定会基于政策发展消费者权益跟台湾经贸考量进行全盘性的这些评估以后再根据未来的跟美方谈判的状况来决定相关的方案但是对业者业者他实际的碰到的状况可能每一家都不一样跟我们报告经济部的立场就透过座谈\n然後一家一家的去看他們需要我們各別盤整因為確實部長你講了一個很重要的就是每一個企業雖然他可能都是汽車零組件可是他遇到的問題不一樣\n他遇到的問題形形色色所以我們一定要盤點我們直接一對一單向了解他的需求這才是重要所以包括我們鋼鐵跟旅財\n這個當中我們輸美的金額是76億美元汽車領主金額這是台南而已是53億美元喔電子資訊產品是792億美元生技醫藥是10億美元這是我們台南的在地生產\n所以在這個部分我們如何依照各個單項了解才能夠讓他們有感尤其這一波是突然發生的大家可能都沒預期到而且他又一直不斷地強調要去做所謂的一個國安調查\n那麼調查完之後我們是不是在談判桌上可以拿到我們優勢的部分我們可以有競爭力就像部長所說的今天如果大家都起頭是OK可是如果沒有呢\n這才是我們現在希望跟我們的產業界變成來打一支強大的國家隊非常重要的一個關鍵部長你要回應是 報告委員我想這個這一部分我想你也非常清楚我們會根據這個四個四大項裡面大概電子資訊這個產品是最多的\n這大概佔了百分之八十了那這一部分其實台灣都是優勢商品是都優勢商品我們也都問過了大概因啊遭受到的問題不會很大反而是剛才你在講汽車零組件升級醫藥這一部分呢受到的衝擊會比較大一點所以我們會根據每一個廠商譬如說我們現在面臨問題是90天內我們怎麼幫助他\n所以90天以後的確定的關稅以後我們怎麼幫助他第二階段第一階段就像我第一時間拿那個圖表其實說真的現在是急診期急診期因為突然之間收到這個訊息這90天是因為他剛好又有一個緩衝90天所以這90天的我們的急診期那這個急診期大家在急診的時間要怎麼做第二階段確定了\n好我們要怎麼協助產業所以部長這就是我要再問你的我們880億那卓院長有說了不一定是880億只要產業別有需要我們的特別條例過了特別預算有可能再增加所以因為\n我們看到川普總統不斷的在改變他的策略所以我們要不斷的調整並不是像第一時間好我們說在14號我們要提出這個第一波的我們的所有產業的一個補助跟所有的一個支持方案\n可是問題是在14號以前 川普總統一天好幾遍啊所以我們當然就要依照他的一個變化 去做不斷的調整我們要做的是讓人民有感的而不是說好像當時候第一時間 川普總統說了我們完全毫無變通的方式 就照那個做 那出來就沒什麼了\n所以我認為說今天在整個支持方案我們的原則要兼顧到包括金融的支持行政成本的支持產業競爭力的提升支持還有如何開拓多元市場的支持甚至是租稅優惠因為現在\n我們怎麼讓他更有競爭力 租稅也很重要再來安定就業 這個是關鍵你不能一下子再爭取政府的預算一下子再裁員一下子再放無薪假這樣跟我們的出發點是完全不同所以部長這幾個原則我們要兼顧住可是只要產業像你所說的我們個別\n單向去依照每個產業 每個企業的需求他們可能回報回來 預算會更多沒有問題 我覺得現在大家是要變國家隊啦台灣隊啦 去誰要做出來啦去誰要做出來 你們要怎麼去擔保所以部長這個部分 再麻煩你們已經有方向了嗎是 確實是 如這個委員所關注的我們都有確定的方向\n包括這一次可能受到衝擊比較大的我們的評估說比較衝擊比較大就是還是傳統產業那比較弱勢的包括扣件包括這個螺絲包括工具機包括手工具或者水五金等等機械這個工具機等等這一些可能遭受到衝擊的我們會針對這個衝擊的方面給予一些調適那幾個措施剛才委員也有指教了\n目標是確定的啦但是我們會落實經濟部底下的機構法人機構我們有20個法人機構作為平台平台來實施教他們AI來轉型第二個透過ASCO讓他節能減淡我們ASCO另外有費用\n然後可以讓他這個設備老舊的設備趁這一波可以來以舊換新等等這一些根據每一家廠商的需求不一樣但是我們有很多的籌碼都可以整合成一次來協助他們這一點呢也謝謝委員的關心我們會有方法的對那個急救的部分而不是說只給他錢沒有我們是教他\n怎么样子能够钓到鱼捕到鱼然后告诉他我们的法人机构\n要有耐心不是只有去給人家丟個東西不不不 這都有記點的喔不會 沒錯很重要20個法人不要只是去哇 你怎麼怎麼走啊拍拍屁股就走了不不不 報告委員他們要到我們法人機構來實作來實施 來做那請律師就要在我們的工廠裡面請阿嘎跟阿鄉所以我們的棒餅都要給他去做\n部長目標確定這是我們的特別條例預算我們要盤整針對每個企業每個產業別他們的需求然後做最能夠到位的預算最有管的預算好這個部分拜託大家都在看大家都在期待謝謝部長好謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.546 --> 00:10.913\n謝謝謝謝主席我們是不是請我們的部長\n\n00:23.007 --> 00:50.083\n委員長我先請教一下我們台南在地產業在第一線的這些這個產業別有受到美國國安調查的衝擊包括鋼鋁汽車半導體藥品關鍵礦物等等這幾樣那這裡面有部分其實我們台南都占到蠻大宗的尤其在汽車的零組件這個部分\n\n00:51.204 --> 00:58.702\n我想請問我們怎麼來協助他們如果在美國受到美國國安調查的部分這怎麼辦\n\n01:00.294 --> 01:20.314\n我們現在大概對美國汽車的部分我們有幾個措施就是說我們會對成立這個計畫推動國際品牌車廠跟國內整車代工廠的合作我們會通盤考量關稅貨物稅等因素作為對美關稅談判的籌碼\n\n01:23.657 --> 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