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00:03:14,633\n在這一部分我們現在在處理當然是先處理我們台灣跟美國之間的這個關稅跟這個金融的問題但是在所謂東南亞的台商或者在中國大陸的這個台商來講我們當然也是我們的國人那我們也關切他們的這個未來的這個發展的狀況所以我們都建議如果說\n\n8\n00:03:15,513 --> 00:03:34,207\n他不是看那個local當地的這個市場的時候那麼他去那個地方投資到底他重視的是那個當地的資源還是當地的市場我們會幫助他如果他需要移轉如果說他生產的東西都是銷售到美國的\n\n9\n00:03:35,067 --> 00:03:58,313\n這就是重點不用等到美國關稅對我們做的什麼決定就是對台商的話有可能他要回流到台灣來我們對於水電土地這方面我們給予協助如果他要依準到其他國家去投資的話我們也要盡力的全力來協助好不好我們現在就是幫助他們第一個如果他們願意回來台灣的我們當然要幫他就像您剛剛說的土地水\n\n10\n00:04:00,693 --> 00:04:16,560\n對不對如果他到其他的國家我們會建議他因為我們剛剛在我在去年的12月在這個歐洲在捷克我成立一個這個貿易服務中心台灣貿易服務中心我在前天在日本\n\n11\n00:04:16,840 --> 00:04:28,704\n也成立了台灣貿易服務中心我很快的在美國也要成立台灣貿易服務中心所以對台商也要關心對就是讓台商在不在台灣的這些台商能夠移動在國際間的移動讓透過我們這個經濟部的服務可以在國際中順利的移動\n\n12\n00:04:35,706 --> 00:04:53,072\n那接下來本席要請教部長就是因為去年四月的時候美國跟日本菲律賓有共同宣布了旅送的經濟走廊在這個時候部長也特別提到這個境外關內的能夠順著這個美國跟日本去投資的時候我們台灣也可以加入這個這一項的\n\n13\n00:04:58,634 --> 00:05:13,342\n所以我們有沒有評估看看如果說菲律賓你看看他的外交政策一下親中一下親美那萬一有這種情況發生的話我們有沒有評估說萬一有大陸的這個干擾到\n\n14\n00:05:14,246 --> 00:05:30,489\n沒有辦法去投資的時候我們該怎麼辦我們當然有很多的這個因應的方法那當然這是我們評估的選項之一選項之一但在風險上面我們會考慮很多那在這個所謂的\n\n15\n00:05:31,030 --> 00:05:52,024\n旅送經濟走廊確定會繼續在執行的過程裡面我們會來參加透過美日之間大家的交流我們可以取得一個更安全的投資環境這樣的時候我們才會引導其他在東南亞的台商進入到\n\n16\n00:05:53,365 --> 00:06:15,875\n那還有就是說因為這項政策這個計畫我們希望要爭取能夠加入這個計畫但這項計畫是在當時是在拜登的時候提出來的那現在換成川普了川普的話他在之前他上任的時候他就有針對TPP這個跨太平洋這個夥伴他就退出了那這項\n\n17\n00:06:18,238 --> 00:06:25,960\n據部長跟我們經濟部的了解他有沒有繼續會執行這個計畫以我們現在了解的這個狀況他對這個呂宋經濟走廊這個計畫並沒有反對那如果說他就算我們沒有辦法爭取到進入這個呂宋經濟走廊的話\n\n18\n00:06:42,813 --> 00:07:01,444\n因為菲律賓也是歡迎國外來投資嘛不管是這個太陽能或者風電或者地的都有都歡迎我們來投資所以如果說我們去投資的話部長也有提到了我們可能就投資這個太陽能的部分但是在於長期來講的話我們都做用電纜線那電纜線的技術上還沒有去突破的話還有它的困難的話我們可能在短期方面我們就用電磁船來做一個運輸嘛\n\n19\n00:07:12,290 --> 00:07:37,745\n那電子船的運輸初步本來評估出來的費用是每一度要5.5元後來部長有澄清大概是1.25元那就算是1.25元加上我們發電成本的話大概要4、5塊錢可是部長你要知道這個針對如果說有去投資的這個產業它本身就是要有利潤這個成本就要4、5塊加上它的利潤可能就要8、9塊了那8、9塊的話台電去購買這個\n\n20\n00:07:42,308 --> 00:07:56,054\n電的話那就是買越多虧越大那這個不在我們考慮的命題裡面我曾經多次在講我們未來所有買電的價格不會超過4塊錢那是他家的事\n\n21\n00:08:03,557 --> 00:08:21,602\n那所以是台電要吸收不是我們不是叫台電去做成本要四五塊沒有說他家的事如果說是產業去投資的話投資就要有利潤他不是做善事他有利潤所以他不會賣給我那賣給誰那你說賣給當地的產業也可以運送回來台灣是這樣子嗎當然運送回來台灣誰買\n\n22\n00:08:29,977 --> 00:08:33,562\n沒有人買也是產業買台電不會買部長在這邊保證台電不會買我跟委員在這裡報告我們台電台電不會去做這種事情讓自己成本墊高的事情\n\n23\n00:08:43,712 --> 00:08:51,599\n部長,那你不曉得台電購電的成本在哪裡嗎?風電買多少?太陽能買多少?都是超過4塊喔我已經講過很多次了,我不會買超過4塊錢麻煩你記住這個,4塊錢好不好?超過4塊錢我不會買風電跟太陽能買多少錢?台電有人嗎?\n\n24\n00:09:05,025 --> 00:09:14,293\n這個都有數據耶報告委員我是說今後過去不是我在當經濟部長好不好我當經濟部長以後我這個電廠的話再生能源發電的話回來了電台電不會買當然啦超過4塊就不會買那一定會超過4塊了嘛那是你說的啊好那現在我們這邊都有記錄啦超過4塊台電就不能買\n\n25\n00:09:32,226 --> 00:09:37,932\n是這樣子嗎是那所以說我後來講回來那所有去投資的產業他們要不要利潤\n\n26\n00:09:40,629 --> 00:10:02,908\n那你要問去投資的產業嘛所以部長怎麼會問我呢那所以說你的意思說當下他們其他的產業賣給產業的話也會超過這個價格他們自己去買報告委員我講過了我買是4塊錢所以他的投資的人他會去算嘛他算如果他的成本高於4塊錢他就不用去投資了啊\n\n27\n00:10:04,470 --> 00:10:18,119\n所以才這邊提醒部長我們計算下來的成本照你講的運輸成本一塊錢在當地在菲律賓發電的話成本三塊錢好了就要四塊錢超過四塊你就不要買那未來投資這麼大超過四塊你不買這電未來就是給產業產業會買這麼高的電嗎\n\n28\n00:10:23,903 --> 00:10:39,532\n好那這是提醒部長如果說產業沒有去投資的話呢沒有產業要去投資的話呢因為產業不可能做善事嘛它要利潤產業給你報告的人絕對不是產業的人啦好不好所以它才會估出這個錯誤的價格4塊錢是部長你估的啊\n\n29\n00:10:47,674 --> 00:10:51,557\n那部長在這邊承諾超過4塊你不會買我們也相信產業能夠照部長的境外觀內能夠去菲律賓順利投資這個再生能源發電好不好是謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12829\t15230\t謝謝主席 請郭部長美國對等關稅雖然是已經暫緩了讓各國有時間來做一個貿易的談判但是在4月16號的時候他們也特別對半導體跟藥品啟動了國家的安全調查\n42279\t62178\t那所以說未來會針對這個調查來決定這兩項的這個關稅的這個稅率喔那未來的發展我們經濟部是都要好好的來掌握喔尤其是各這樣的這個因應的這個政策的話也應該要用滾動式的來做一個調整喔那尤其是這個政府有\n63579\t91446\t准备要880亿的这个经费来协助这个产业的这个复兴在工业方面的话不管是全支持我们的金融还有让我们提升的这个产业的竞争力开拓我们多元市场还有另外再增加了这个外销的贷款的这个加码跟中小企业这个多元发展的加码跟我们研发转型的这个补助这些都是针对我们国内的产业\n91926\t110179\t但是我們在作為我們產業的後盾的當下部長台商他們也是非常重要的而台商在國外的這個製造跟他們的一個生產都有在國外而且我們針對這個我根據我們投審會的統計在2024年他們在大陸的投資將近了2000億的美元\n120146\t139744\t所有台商在海外的投資50%總額那在東南亞的部分的話也有642億的美元在整個投資的話海外的投資的話也佔了16%但是並沒有看到我們經濟部對於我們台商要如何協助他們這代表著什麼我們看到這些因為\n140865\t167665\t美國對於大陸的這個高關稅採取的也是一種報復性的高關稅將近的百分之兩百四十五趴在這兩百四十五趴裡面我們看到台商他們面對的是什麼就是會血本無歸的下場在這種情形之下我們經濟部應該拿出一個實質的政策來幫助我們台商那有什麼實質政策呢是 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就是讓台商在不在台灣的這些台商能夠移動在國際間的移動讓透過我們這個經濟部的服務可以在國際中順利的移動\n275706\t293072\t那接下來本席要請教部長就是因為去年四月的時候美國跟日本菲律賓有共同宣布了旅送的經濟走廊在這個時候部長也特別提到這個境外關內的能夠順著這個美國跟日本去投資的時候我們台灣也可以加入這個這一項的\n298634\t313342\t所以我們有沒有評估看看如果說菲律賓你看看他的外交政策一下親中一下親美那萬一有這種情況發生的話我們有沒有評估說萬一有大陸的這個干擾到\n314246\t330489\t沒有辦法去投資的時候我們該怎麼辦我們當然有很多的這個因應的方法那當然這是我們評估的選項之一選項之一但在風險上面我們會考慮很多那在這個所謂的\n331030\t352024\t旅送經濟走廊確定會繼續在執行的過程裡面我們會來參加透過美日之間大家的交流我們可以取得一個更安全的投資環境這樣的時候我們才會引導其他在東南亞的台商進入到\n353365\t375875\t那還有就是說因為這項政策這個計畫我們希望要爭取能夠加入這個計畫但這項計畫是在當時是在拜登的時候提出來的那現在換成川普了川普的話他在之前他上任的時候他就有針對TPP這個跨太平洋這個夥伴他就退出了那這項\n378238\t385960\t據部長跟我們經濟部的了解他有沒有繼續會執行這個計畫以我們現在了解的這個狀況他對這個呂宋經濟走廊這個計畫並沒有反對那如果說他就算我們沒有辦法爭取到進入這個呂宋經濟走廊的話\n402813\t421444\t因為菲律賓也是歡迎國外來投資嘛不管是這個太陽能或者風電或者地的都有都歡迎我們來投資所以如果說我們去投資的話部長也有提到了我們可能就投資這個太陽能的部分但是在於長期來講的話我們都做用電纜線那電纜線的技術上還沒有去突破的話還有它的困難的話我們可能在短期方面我們就用電磁船來做一個運輸嘛\n432290\t457745\t那電子船的運輸初步本來評估出來的費用是每一度要5.5元後來部長有澄清大概是1.25元那就算是1.25元加上我們發電成本的話大概要4、5塊錢可是部長你要知道這個針對如果說有去投資的這個產業它本身就是要有利潤這個成本就要4、5塊加上它的利潤可能就要8、9塊了那8、9塊的話台電去購買這個\n462308\t476054\t電的話那就是買越多虧越大那這個不在我們考慮的命題裡面我曾經多次在講我們未來所有買電的價格不會超過4塊錢那是他家的事\n483557\t501602\t那所以是台電要吸收不是 我們不是叫台電去做成本要四五塊 沒有說他家的事如果說是產業去投資的話投資就要有利潤他不是做善事 他有利潤所以他不會賣給我那賣給誰那你說賣給當地的產業也可以運送回來台灣是這樣子嗎當然運送回來台灣 誰買\n509977\t513562\t沒有人買 也是產業買 台電不會買部長在這邊保證台電不會買我跟委員在這裡報告我們台電台電不會去做這種事情讓自己成本墊高的事情\n523712\t531599\t部長,那你不曉得台電購電的成本在哪裡嗎?風電買多少?太陽能買多少?都是超過4塊喔我已經講過很多次了,我不會買超過4塊錢麻煩你記住這個,4塊錢好不好?超過4塊錢我不會買風電跟太陽能買多少錢?台電有人嗎?\n545025\t554293\t這個都有數據耶報告委員我是說今後過去不是我在當經濟部長好不好我當經濟部長以後我這個電廠的話再生能源發電的話回來了電台電不會買當然啦 超過4塊就不會買那一定會超過4塊了嘛那是你說的啊好 那現在我們這邊都有記錄啦超過4塊台電就不能買\n572226\t577932\t是這樣子嗎是那所以說我後來講回來那所有去投資的產業他們要不要利潤\n580629\t602908\t那你要問去投資的產業嘛所以部長怎麼會問我呢那所以說你的意思說當下他們其他的產業賣給產業的話也會超過這個價格他們自己去買報告委員我講過了我買是4塊錢所以他的投資的人他會去算嘛他算如果他的成本高於4塊錢他就不用去投資了啊\n604470\t618119\t所以才這邊提醒部長我們計算下來的成本照你講的運輸成本一塊錢在當地在菲律賓發電的話成本三塊錢好了就要四塊錢超過四塊你就不要買那未來投資這麼大超過四塊你不買這電未來就是給產業產業會買這麼高的電嗎\n623903\t639532\t好 那這是提醒部長 如果說產業沒有去投資的話呢沒有產業要去投資的話呢因為產業不可能做善事嘛 它要利潤產業給你報告的人絕對不是產業的人啦好不好 所以它才會估出這個錯誤的價格4塊錢是部長你估的啊\n647674\t651557\t那部長在這邊承諾 超過4塊你不會買我們也相信產業能夠照部長的境外觀內能夠去菲律賓順利投資這個再生能源發電 好不好是 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請郭部長美國對等關稅雖然是已經暫緩了讓各國有時間來做一個貿易的談判但是在4月16號的時候他們也特別對半導體跟藥品啟動了國家的安全調查\n那所以說未來會針對這個調查來決定這兩項的這個關稅的這個稅率喔那未來的發展我們經濟部是都要好好的來掌握喔尤其是各這樣的這個因應的這個政策的話也應該要用滾動式的來做一個調整喔那尤其是這個政府有\n准备要880亿的这个经费来协助这个产业的这个复兴在工业方面的话不管是全支持我们的金融还有让我们提升的这个产业的竞争力开拓我们多元市场还有另外再增加了这个外销的贷款的这个加码跟中小企业这个多元发展的加码跟我们研发转型的这个补助这些都是针对我们国内的产业\n但是我們在作為我們產業的後盾的當下部長台商他們也是非常重要的而台商在國外的這個製造跟他們的一個生產都有在國外而且我們針對這個我根據我們投審會的統計在2024年他們在大陸的投資將近了2000億的美元\n所有台商在海外的投資50%總額那在東南亞的部分的話也有642億的美元在整個投資的話海外的投資的話也佔了16%但是並沒有看到我們經濟部對於我們台商要如何協助他們這代表著什麼我們看到這些因為\n美國對於大陸的這個高關稅採取的也是一種報復性的高關稅將近的百分之兩百四十五趴在這兩百四十五趴裡面我們看到台商他們面對的是什麼就是會血本無歸的下場在這種情形之下我們經濟部應該拿出一個實質的政策來幫助我們台商那有什麼實質政策呢是 謝謝委員的這個指教\n在這一部分我們現在在處理當然是先處理我們台灣跟美國之間的這個關稅跟這個金融的問題但是在所謂東南亞的台商或者在中國大陸的這個台商來講我們當然也是我們的國人那我們也關切他們的這個未來的這個發展的狀況所以我們都建議如果說\n他不是看那個local當地的這個市場的時候那麼他去那個地方投資到底他重視的是那個當地的資源還是當地的市場我們會幫助他如果他需要移轉如果說他生產的東西都是銷售到美國的\n這就是重點不用等到美國關稅對我們做的什麼決定就是對台商的話有可能他要回流到台灣來我們對於水電土地這方面我們給予協助如果他要依準到其他國家去投資的話我們也要盡力的全力來協助好不好我們現在就是幫助他們第一個如果他們願意回來台灣的我們當然要幫他就像您剛剛說的土地水\n對不對如果他到其他的國家我們會建議他因為我們剛剛在我在去年的12月在這個歐洲在捷克我成立一個這個貿易服務中心台灣貿易服務中心我在前天在日本\n也成立了台灣貿易服務中心我很快的在美國也要成立台灣貿易服務中心所以對台商也要關心對 就是讓台商在不在台灣的這些台商能夠移動在國際間的移動讓透過我們這個經濟部的服務可以在國際中順利的移動\n那接下來本席要請教部長就是因為去年四月的時候美國跟日本菲律賓有共同宣布了旅送的經濟走廊在這個時候部長也特別提到這個境外關內的能夠順著這個美國跟日本去投資的時候我們台灣也可以加入這個這一項的\n所以我們有沒有評估看看如果說菲律賓你看看他的外交政策一下親中一下親美那萬一有這種情況發生的話我們有沒有評估說萬一有大陸的這個干擾到\n沒有辦法去投資的時候我們該怎麼辦我們當然有很多的這個因應的方法那當然這是我們評估的選項之一選項之一但在風險上面我們會考慮很多那在這個所謂的\n旅送經濟走廊確定會繼續在執行的過程裡面我們會來參加透過美日之間大家的交流我們可以取得一個更安全的投資環境這樣的時候我們才會引導其他在東南亞的台商進入到\n那還有就是說因為這項政策這個計畫我們希望要爭取能夠加入這個計畫但這項計畫是在當時是在拜登的時候提出來的那現在換成川普了川普的話他在之前他上任的時候他就有針對TPP這個跨太平洋這個夥伴他就退出了那這項\n據部長跟我們經濟部的了解他有沒有繼續會執行這個計畫以我們現在了解的這個狀況他對這個呂宋經濟走廊這個計畫並沒有反對那如果說他就算我們沒有辦法爭取到進入這個呂宋經濟走廊的話\n因為菲律賓也是歡迎國外來投資嘛不管是這個太陽能或者風電或者地的都有都歡迎我們來投資所以如果說我們去投資的話部長也有提到了我們可能就投資這個太陽能的部分但是在於長期來講的話我們都做用電纜線那電纜線的技術上還沒有去突破的話還有它的困難的話我們可能在短期方面我們就用電磁船來做一個運輸嘛\n那電子船的運輸初步本來評估出來的費用是每一度要5.5元後來部長有澄清大概是1.25元那就算是1.25元加上我們發電成本的話大概要4、5塊錢可是部長你要知道這個針對如果說有去投資的這個產業它本身就是要有利潤這個成本就要4、5塊加上它的利潤可能就要8、9塊了那8、9塊的話台電去購買這個\n電的話那就是買越多虧越大那這個不在我們考慮的命題裡面我曾經多次在講我們未來所有買電的價格不會超過4塊錢那是他家的事\n那所以是台電要吸收不是 我們不是叫台電去做成本要四五塊 沒有說他家的事如果說是產業去投資的話投資就要有利潤他不是做善事 他有利潤所以他不會賣給我那賣給誰那你說賣給當地的產業也可以運送回來台灣是這樣子嗎當然運送回來台灣 誰買\n沒有人買 也是產業買 台電不會買部長在這邊保證台電不會買我跟委員在這裡報告我們台電台電不會去做這種事情讓自己成本墊高的事情\n部長,那你不曉得台電購電的成本在哪裡嗎?風電買多少?太陽能買多少?都是超過4塊喔我已經講過很多次了,我不會買超過4塊錢麻煩你記住這個,4塊錢好不好?超過4塊錢我不會買風電跟太陽能買多少錢?台電有人嗎?\n這個都有數據耶報告委員我是說今後過去不是我在當經濟部長好不好我當經濟部長以後我這個電廠的話再生能源發電的話回來了電台電不會買當然啦 超過4塊就不會買那一定會超過4塊了嘛那是你說的啊好 那現在我們這邊都有記錄啦超過4塊台電就不能買\n是這樣子嗎是那所以說我後來講回來那所有去投資的產業他們要不要利潤\n那你要問去投資的產業嘛所以部長怎麼會問我呢那所以說你的意思說當下他們其他的產業賣給產業的話也會超過這個價格他們自己去買報告委員我講過了我買是4塊錢所以他的投資的人他會去算嘛他算如果他的成本高於4塊錢他就不用去投資了啊\n所以才這邊提醒部長我們計算下來的成本照你講的運輸成本一塊錢在當地在菲律賓發電的話成本三塊錢好了就要四塊錢超過四塊你就不要買那未來投資這麼大超過四塊你不買這電未來就是給產業產業會買這麼高的電嗎\n好 那這是提醒部長 如果說產業沒有去投資的話呢沒有產業要去投資的話呢因為產業不可能做善事嘛 它要利潤產業給你報告的人絕對不是產業的人啦好不好 所以它才會估出這個錯誤的價格4塊錢是部長你估的啊\n那部長在這邊承諾 超過4塊你不會買我們也相信產業能夠照部長的境外觀內能夠去菲律賓順利投資這個再生能源發電 好不好是 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.829 --> 00:15.230\n謝謝主席請郭部長美國對等關稅雖然是已經暫緩了讓各國有時間來做一個貿易的談判但是在4月16號的時候他們也特別對半導體跟藥品啟動了國家的安全調查\n\n00:42.279 --> 01:02.178\n那所以說未來會針對這個調查來決定這兩項的這個關稅的這個稅率喔那未來的發展我們經濟部是都要好好的來掌握喔尤其是各這樣的這個因應的這個政策的話也應該要用滾動式的來做一個調整喔那尤其是這個政府有\n\n01:03.579 --> 01:31.446\n准备要880亿的这个经费来协助这个产业的这个复兴在工业方面的话不管是全支持我们的金融还有让我们提升的这个产业的竞争力开拓我们多元市场还有另外再增加了这个外销的贷款的这个加码跟中小企业这个多元发展的加码跟我们研发转型的这个补助这些都是针对我们国内的产业\n\n01:31.926 --> 01:50.179\n但是我們在作為我們產業的後盾的當下部長台商他們也是非常重要的而台商在國外的這個製造跟他們的一個生產都有在國外而且我們針對這個我根據我們投審會的統計在2024年他們在大陸的投資將近了2000億的美元\n\n02:00.146 --> 02:19.744\n所有台商在海外的投資50%總額那在東南亞的部分的話也有642億的美元在整個投資的話海外的投資的話也佔了16%但是並沒有看到我們經濟部對於我們台商要如何協助他們這代表著什麼我們看到這些因為\n\n02:20.865 --> 02:47.665\n美國對於大陸的這個高關稅採取的也是一種報復性的高關稅將近的百分之兩百四十五趴在這兩百四十五趴裡面我們看到台商他們面對的是什麼就是會血本無歸的下場在這種情形之下我們經濟部應該拿出一個實質的政策來幫助我們台商那有什麼實質政策呢是謝謝委員的這個指教\n\n02:48.746 --> 03:14.633\n在這一部分我們現在在處理當然是先處理我們台灣跟美國之間的這個關稅跟這個金融的問題但是在所謂東南亞的台商或者在中國大陸的這個台商來講我們當然也是我們的國人那我們也關切他們的這個未來的這個發展的狀況所以我們都建議如果說\n\n03:15.513 --> 03:34.207\n他不是看那個local當地的這個市場的時候那麼他去那個地方投資到底他重視的是那個當地的資源還是當地的市場我們會幫助他如果他需要移轉如果說他生產的東西都是銷售到美國的\n\n03:35.067 --> 03:58.313\n這就是重點不用等到美國關稅對我們做的什麼決定就是對台商的話有可能他要回流到台灣來我們對於水電土地這方面我們給予協助如果他要依準到其他國家去投資的話我們也要盡力的全力來協助好不好我們現在就是幫助他們第一個如果他們願意回來台灣的我們當然要幫他就像您剛剛說的土地水\n\n04:00.693 --> 04:16.560\n對不對如果他到其他的國家我們會建議他因為我們剛剛在我在去年的12月在這個歐洲在捷克我成立一個這個貿易服務中心台灣貿易服務中心我在前天在日本\n\n04:16.840 --> 04:28.704\n也成立了台灣貿易服務中心我很快的在美國也要成立台灣貿易服務中心所以對台商也要關心對就是讓台商在不在台灣的這些台商能夠移動在國際間的移動讓透過我們這個經濟部的服務可以在國際中順利的移動\n\n04:35.706 --> 04:53.072\n那接下來本席要請教部長就是因為去年四月的時候美國跟日本菲律賓有共同宣布了旅送的經濟走廊在這個時候部長也特別提到這個境外關內的能夠順著這個美國跟日本去投資的時候我們台灣也可以加入這個這一項的\n\n04:58.634 --> 05:13.342\n所以我們有沒有評估看看如果說菲律賓你看看他的外交政策一下親中一下親美那萬一有這種情況發生的話我們有沒有評估說萬一有大陸的這個干擾到\n\n05:14.246 --> 05:30.489\n沒有辦法去投資的時候我們該怎麼辦我們當然有很多的這個因應的方法那當然這是我們評估的選項之一選項之一但在風險上面我們會考慮很多那在這個所謂的\n\n05:31.030 --> 05:52.024\n旅送經濟走廊確定會繼續在執行的過程裡面我們會來參加透過美日之間大家的交流我們可以取得一個更安全的投資環境這樣的時候我們才會引導其他在東南亞的台商進入到\n\n05:53.365 --> 06:15.875\n那還有就是說因為這項政策這個計畫我們希望要爭取能夠加入這個計畫但這項計畫是在當時是在拜登的時候提出來的那現在換成川普了川普的話他在之前他上任的時候他就有針對TPP這個跨太平洋這個夥伴他就退出了那這項\n\n06:18.238 --> 06:25.960\n據部長跟我們經濟部的了解他有沒有繼續會執行這個計畫以我們現在了解的這個狀況他對這個呂宋經濟走廊這個計畫並沒有反對那如果說他就算我們沒有辦法爭取到進入這個呂宋經濟走廊的話\n\n06:42.813 --> 07:01.444\n因為菲律賓也是歡迎國外來投資嘛不管是這個太陽能或者風電或者地的都有都歡迎我們來投資所以如果說我們去投資的話部長也有提到了我們可能就投資這個太陽能的部分但是在於長期來講的話我們都做用電纜線那電纜線的技術上還沒有去突破的話還有它的困難的話我們可能在短期方面我們就用電磁船來做一個運輸嘛\n\n07:12.290 --> 07:37.745\n那電子船的運輸初步本來評估出來的費用是每一度要5.5元後來部長有澄清大概是1.25元那就算是1.25元加上我們發電成本的話大概要4、5塊錢可是部長你要知道這個針對如果說有去投資的這個產業它本身就是要有利潤這個成本就要4、5塊加上它的利潤可能就要8、9塊了那8、9塊的話台電去購買這個\n\n07:42.308 --> 07:56.054\n電的話那就是買越多虧越大那這個不在我們考慮的命題裡面我曾經多次在講我們未來所有買電的價格不會超過4塊錢那是他家的事\n\n08:03.557 --> 08:21.602\n那所以是台電要吸收不是我們不是叫台電去做成本要四五塊沒有說他家的事如果說是產業去投資的話投資就要有利潤他不是做善事他有利潤所以他不會賣給我那賣給誰那你說賣給當地的產業也可以運送回來台灣是這樣子嗎當然運送回來台灣誰買\n\n08:29.977 --> 08:33.562\n沒有人買也是產業買台電不會買部長在這邊保證台電不會買我跟委員在這裡報告我們台電台電不會去做這種事情讓自己成本墊高的事情\n\n08:43.712 --> 08:51.599\n部長,那你不曉得台電購電的成本在哪裡嗎?風電買多少?太陽能買多少?都是超過4塊喔我已經講過很多次了,我不會買超過4塊錢麻煩你記住這個,4塊錢好不好?超過4塊錢我不會買風電跟太陽能買多少錢?台電有人嗎?\n\n09:05.025 --> 09:14.293\n這個都有數據耶報告委員我是說今後過去不是我在當經濟部長好不好我當經濟部長以後我這個電廠的話再生能源發電的話回來了電台電不會買當然啦超過4塊就不會買那一定會超過4塊了嘛那是你說的啊好那現在我們這邊都有記錄啦超過4塊台電就不能買\n\n09:32.226 --> 09:37.932\n是這樣子嗎是那所以說我後來講回來那所有去投資的產業他們要不要利潤\n\n09:40.629 --> 10:02.908\n那你要問去投資的產業嘛所以部長怎麼會問我呢那所以說你的意思說當下他們其他的產業賣給產業的話也會超過這個價格他們自己去買報告委員我講過了我買是4塊錢所以他的投資的人他會去算嘛他算如果他的成本高於4塊錢他就不用去投資了啊\n\n10:04.470 --> 10:18.119\n所以才這邊提醒部長我們計算下來的成本照你講的運輸成本一塊錢在當地在菲律賓發電的話成本三塊錢好了就要四塊錢超過四塊你就不要買那未來投資這麼大超過四塊你不買這電未來就是給產業產業會買這麼高的電嗎\n\n10:23.903 --> 10:39.532\n好那這是提醒部長如果說產業沒有去投資的話呢沒有產業要去投資的話呢因為產業不可能做善事嘛它要利潤產業給你報告的人絕對不是產業的人啦好不好所以它才會估出這個錯誤的價格4塊錢是部長你估的啊\n\n10:47.674 --> 10:51.557\n那部長在這邊承諾超過4塊你不會買我們也相信產業能夠照部長的境外觀內能夠去菲律賓順利投資這個再生能源發電好不好是謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":12.829,"end":15.23,"text":"謝謝主席 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