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00:02:18,535\n跟委員報告其實我們編列所謂的媒宣費很重要就是其實是要突破現在整個媒體的社群市場基本上等於是被演算法控制那演算法是一個相當唯利是圖的一個演算法就是他希望你透過\n\n8\n00:02:20,296 --> 00:02:35,603\n就是采购的方式才能够进行那所以我们现在的做法就会变成说如果我们失去了这个宣传的经费我们就没有办法我们原本两千万我们的规划是什么所以所有的投放跟采购就没有办法进行我们就只能办理活动\n\n9\n00:02:36,263 --> 00:02:59,278\n然後能夠進行合作然後拜託說我們合作的這些廠商或者是我們合作的這些夥伴利用他們的這些管道來進行宣傳那另外就是我們可以辦記者會雖然我們沒有進行媒體採購但是我們還是可以邀請媒體來那希望他們可以主動對我們做報導那但是在社群上或者在演算上那個部分大概就是沒有辦法防守那個部分大概就是完全要靠自主擴散\n\n10\n00:02:59,978 --> 00:03:27,401\n因為他可能是沒有辦法進行相關的採購的我想這個其實是非常吃力尤其在現代的社會所有的東西都非常需要行銷跟廣告的宣傳才能夠讓我們一個很好的活動更擴大嘛那剛剛有聽到就是次長說我們現在只能夠用非常應該說非常苦功的方式來宣傳那我覺得這對我們台灣是一個非常大的打擊也是一個非常可惜的一個機會那我也想再請教一下就是說我也知道我們國外旅費其實也刪了60%對不對對\n\n11\n00:03:29,062 --> 00:03:57,064\n那這個到底對我們的文化交流會產生什麼樣子的影響呢第一個就是有一些本來要計劃去譬如他要以一個團隊出國去談國際合作的比較是長期性的這一類計劃大概會暫時往後延那因為這種你很難說我減少人減少天就可以達到他還是需要一個比較嚴謹的籌備過程大概有兩個案子是因為這樣子大概會延期那另外就是說我們現在出國的人數天數\n\n12\n00:03:58,425 --> 00:04:18,902\n都降低就是說我們希望他快去快回不是說你去參加你可能就周邊的這些考察資訊交流大概就沒辦法發生就去就回來就這樣了解所以可能聽起來應該是說我們的一些交流的實質影響可能會受損會下降那好那我想這真的是希望就是說未來不要再發生這樣子的事情\n\n13\n00:04:20,263 --> 00:04:43,020\n接下來我們再來談一下國際交流就是說我們在3月10號的時候有看到一個報導就是說講土耳其的台灣中心的捐款的一個爭議報導那其實這個他們也有揭露說可能他們跟文化部申請的一些補助也有資料造假核銷資料造假的一個問題那當時新聞是這樣描述的就是說台灣動畫電影嘉年華的電影放映活動都只是百倍\n\n14\n00:04:43,600 --> 00:05:08,706\n像是收據顯示我們借了場地啊椅子啊設備啊但是台灣中心的椅子本來就有啊看電視也只有提供看電影也只有提供爆米花果汁台灣電影聽不懂字幕也看不懂所以當時這位先生這位仇先生呢是說我們就換等到影片拍完之後照片拍完之後我們就換成湯姆貓與傑利鼠的電影所以我想知道我也其實一直有在詢問就是文化部嘛\n\n15\n00:05:09,932 --> 00:05:33,110\n就是我們明明在2023年就爆發爭議也有委員來向台灣中心這個補助案進行質詢但是為什麼文化部在2024年還是補助了這個協會呢我們當時有請他來說明當時的爭議嗎跟委員說明主要是因為這個協會其實是跟外交部共同成立的所以他如果是合法來提出補助那我們也覺得他的計畫看起來是有助於交流的話\n\n16\n00:05:33,870 --> 00:05:53,810\n我們在評審的過程裡就會同意這個補助那在這個案子裡面我們的確有去查那目前我們查出來的包括單據跟放映的情況在台灣中心的部分不管土耳其的部分在台灣中心執行的部分看起來是沒有所謂的不實情況但這個部分我們仍然在調查中但是如果調查出來就是說因為我們本來就有規範這個\n\n17\n00:05:55,531 --> 00:06:19,849\n這個補助款是專案專用所以如果調查出來他的確是有問題的的確是造假的話我們基本上是會追回款項的只是說到目前為止我們沒有什麼證據顯示說他在這一場活動是造假他的電影的確也有播放然後他的這個場地租借也都有有合法的單據目前的我想請問一下市長我們是不是有清查他從2022年之後的一些相關的申請案的一些核銷單據我們在目前一共\n\n18\n00:06:20,569 --> 00:06:48,032\n在這幾年來一共捕捉他四個案子那這四個案子我們都會再做清查但我想請問一下就是說因為我也知道說他好像到現在都還沒有來做說明喔對因為我們有請他本人來做說明他有答應但他還沒有出現那這樣接下來我們怎麼辦呢下一步是什麼不好意思更正一下他上個禮拜已經來做說明那基本上他的說明到目前為止跟台灣中心的這個活動他認為是不相關的因為\n\n19\n00:06:50,682 --> 00:07:12,568\n對就是一個獨立的活動啦所以在目前為止是沒有查到說這一場是有造假的情況但是我只是說因為它不只只有這個補助案啦我是指說包含它其他的部分我們都有去進一步的核對嘛因為它的確是拿了我們國家納稅人的錢嘛那它在其他地方爆發爭議文化部一共就是補助它四個案子那這四個案子我們都有進行核對跟追查\n\n20\n00:07:14,329 --> 00:07:38,528\n好所以就是說現在已經完成全部的調查了沒有發現造假的事對目前的調查都沒有顯示造假啦OK好那我想就是說因為這件事情其實引發蠻大的一個風波啦那未來我還是希望可以跟文化部來討論就是說類似這樣子的案子我們沒有可能在前面多做一些把關對這個案子在未來的如果他再來申請補助我們一定會做最嚴格的標準這個是沒有問題\n\n21\n00:07:39,008 --> 00:08:06,643\n而且會要求他做一些承諾跟拒絕不然的話是不會再提供這樣的補助好那因為我時間有限我先不講我先問一個這個問題就是說一樣是預算的問題就是說人權管他去年編列了522萬5千元是要提供給我們國內團體的補助款但是呢因為當時呢這個國民黨的提案就是說他必須要跟好民文化協會來追回我們過去的補助款才能夠提出這個解凍\n\n22\n00:08:08,224 --> 00:08:34,038\n才能夠提出解凍所以最近民間團體已經收到了一個這樣子的訊息就是說對於國內的部分完全沒有辦法進行那我想了解一下說文化部現在我們可以怎麼樣來協助這些人權團體讓他們可以得到相關的一些不管是資源補助因為他們其實都是非常重要的因為這一筆基本上也在這一次的解凍案裡面所以我們的說明只是說如果說這個案子因為這個案子300萬對人權管來說是一個蠻龐大的經費\n\n23\n00:08:37,660 --> 00:08:50,758\n那如果這個解凍可以完成我們一樣會可以動機之後會再公告所以我們希望委員支持不用這個條件因為這個條件其實是是沒有辦法不可能達到的啊我們不能夠配合\n\n24\n00:08:53,741 --> 00:09:21,292\n主要是因為他沒有做錯什麼事情同仁沒有做錯事然後他也是一個合法的核銷過程所以沒有辦法達到所以我們希望在做解凍案爭取的時候也可以爭取委員的支持不需要這個條件但是仍然可以解凍的話那當然就會比較順利所以我們現在解凍的報告依這個案子來說我們也是提出了解凍的對我們還是會準備解凍報告雖然過程中有很多的討論但我們仍然提出解凍報告好那我們期待這個解凍報告可以順利解凍希望謝謝\n\n25\n00:09:23,476 --> 00:09:28,251\n好謝謝張雅琳委員次長請回座下一位我們請林佩祥委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n578\t3600\t好 我們繼續質詢 請張雅玲委員謝謝主席 我們有請次長好 請次長\n20822\t43401\t雖然這次萬博我們沒有辦法以台灣的名義參加但是其實我們是有Tech 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椅子啊 設備啊但是台灣中心的椅子本來就有啊看電視也只有提供看電影也只有提供爆米花果汁台灣電影聽不懂 字幕也看不懂所以當時這位先生 這位仇先生呢是說我們就換 等到影片拍完之後照片拍完之後我們就換成湯姆貓與傑利鼠的電影所以我想知道我也其實一直有在詢問就是文化部嘛\n309932\t333110\t就是我們明明在2023年就爆發爭議也有委員來向台灣中心這個補助案進行質詢但是為什麼文化部在2024年還是補助了這個協會呢我們當時有請他來說明當時的爭議嗎跟委員說明主要是因為這個協會其實是跟外交部共同成立的所以他如果是合法來提出補助那我們也覺得他的計畫看起來是有助於交流的話\n333870\t353810\t我們在評審的過程裡就會同意這個補助那在這個案子裡面我們的確有去查那目前我們查出來的包括單據跟放映的情況在台灣中心的部分不管土耳其的部分在台灣中心執行的部分看起來是沒有所謂的不實情況但這個部分我們仍然在調查中但是如果調查出來就是說因為我們本來就有規範這個\n355531\t379849\t這個補助款是專案專用所以如果調查出來他的確是有問題的的確是造假的話我們基本上是會追回款項的只是說到目前為止我們沒有什麼證據顯示說他在這一場活動是造假他的電影的確也有播放然後他的這個場地租借也都有有合法的單據目前的我想請問一下市長我們是不是有清查他從2022年之後的一些相關的申請案的一些核銷單據我們在目前一共\n380569\t408032\t在這幾年來一共捕捉他四個案子那這四個案子我們都會再做清查但我想請問一下就是說因為我也知道說他好像到現在都還沒有來做說明喔對因為我們有請他本人來做說明他有答應但他還沒有出現那這樣接下來我們怎麼辦呢下一步是什麼不好意思更正一下他上個禮拜已經來做說明那基本上他的說明到目前為止跟台灣中心的這個活動他認為是不相關的因為\n410682\t432568\t對 就是一個獨立的活動啦所以在目前為止是沒有查到說這一場是有造假的情況但是我只是說因為它不只只有這個補助案啦我是指說包含它其他的部分我們都有去進一步的核對嘛因為它的確是拿了我們國家納稅人的錢嘛那它在其他地方爆發爭議文化部一共就是補助它四個案子那這四個案子我們都有進行核對跟追查\n434329\t458528\t好所以就是說現在已經完成全部的調查了沒有發現造假的事對目前的調查都沒有顯示造假啦OK好那我想就是說因為這件事情其實引發蠻大的一個風波啦那未來我還是希望可以跟文化部來討論就是說類似這樣子的案子我們沒有可能在前面多做一些把關對這個案子在未來的如果他再來申請補助我們一定會做最嚴格的標準這個是沒有問題\n459008\t486643\t而且會要求他做一些承諾跟拒絕不然的話是不會再提供這樣的補助好那因為我時間有限我先不講我先問一個這個問題就是說一樣是預算的問題就是說人權管他去年編列了522萬5千元是要提供給我們國內團體的補助款但是呢因為當時呢這個國民黨的提案就是說他必須要跟好民文化協會來追回我們過去的補助款才能夠提出這個解凍\n488224\t514038\t才能夠提出解凍所以最近民間團體已經收到了一個這樣子的訊息就是說對於國內的部分完全沒有辦法進行那我想了解一下說文化部現在我們可以怎麼樣來協助這些人權團體讓他們可以得到相關的一些不管是資源補助因為他們其實都是非常重要的因為這一筆基本上也在這一次的解凍案裡面所以我們的說明只是說如果說這個案子因為這個案子300萬對人權管來說是一個蠻龐大的經費\n517660\t530758\t那如果這個解凍可以完成我們一樣會可以動機之後會再公告所以我們希望委員支持不用這個條件因為這個條件其實是是沒有辦法不可能達到的啊我們不能夠配合\n533741\t561292\t主要是因為他沒有做錯什麼事情同仁沒有做錯事然後他也是一個合法的核銷過程所以沒有辦法達到所以我們希望在做解凍案爭取的時候也可以爭取委員的支持不需要這個條件但是仍然可以解凍的話那當然就會比較順利所以我們現在解凍的報告依這個案子來說我們也是提出了解凍的對我們還是會準備解凍報告雖然過程中有很多的討論但我們仍然提出解凍報告好那我們期待這個解凍報告可以順利解凍希望謝謝\n563476\t568251\t好 謝謝張雅琳委員 次長請回座下一位我們請林佩祥委員\n","txt":"好 我們繼續質詢 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World的名義來參加就是這個玉山數位科技諸事會社希望透過科技的方式來向各國介紹台灣的文化那其實也是呼應了萬博的一個概念就是以應援未來奇蹟之島來呼應大會的主題創造閃耀生命光輝的未來社會強調台灣文化在全球種族背景下的應變能力跟自信的未來\n所以在八月的時候我們會開始舉辦一系列的跨領域的一些藝文展演來跟世界介紹台灣其實這樣子的模式我在看其實我覺得是蠻好的就是讓世界可以持續的認識台灣尤其是我們台日關係是非常非常友好我們可以透過這樣子的方式更深入兩國的一些交流那其實呢我自己看到就是說\n在我們去年其實某種程度上我們延續了這個很輝煌的成績就是在15天我們在文化奧運的館台灣館裡面吸引了7萬人次然後透過尼菲亞的演出告訴世界我們是一個非常包容力的文化那當時的很多的小物其實也都熱銷熱賣當時供不應求等等的\n那其中也有一個什麼千王歌等傳統文化告訴台灣告訴世界我們是個非常有底蘊的一個國家那當時編列了750萬的預算有一個不錯的成績那我知道原本我們在萬博也編列了2000萬那\n現在我知道就是說我想大家都知道就是因為這被國眾兩黨惡搞之後我想我不確定他們知不知道他們刪了這兩千萬的媒體宣傳費不過我希望次長可不可以簡單說明一下我們原本希望這兩千萬是要做什麼讓大家知道說我們失去了什麼\n跟委員報告其實我們編列所謂的媒宣費很重要就是其實是要突破現在整個媒體的社群市場基本上等於是被演算法控制那演算法是一個相當唯利是圖的一個演算法就是他希望你透過\n就是采购的方式才能够进行那所以我们现在的做法就会变成说如果我们失去了这个宣传的经费我们就没有办法我们原本两千万我们的规划是什么所以所有的投放跟采购就没有办法进行我们就只能办理活动\n然後能夠進行合作然後拜託說我們合作的這些廠商或者是我們合作的這些夥伴利用他們的這些管道來進行宣傳那另外就是我們可以辦記者會雖然我們沒有進行媒體採購但是我們還是可以邀請媒體來那希望他們可以主動對我們做報導那但是在社群上或者在演算上那個部分大概就是沒有辦法防守那個部分大概就是完全要靠自主擴散\n因為他可能是沒有辦法進行相關的採購的我想這個其實是非常吃力尤其在現代的社會所有的東西都非常需要行銷跟廣告的宣傳才能夠讓我們一個很好的活動更擴大嘛那剛剛有聽到就是次長說我們現在只能夠用非常應該說非常苦功的方式來宣傳那我覺得這對我們台灣是一個非常大的打擊也是一個非常可惜的一個機會那我也想再請教一下就是說我也知道我們國外旅費其實也刪了60%對不對對\n那這個到底對我們的文化交流會產生什麼樣子的影響呢第一個就是有一些本來要計劃去譬如他要以一個團隊出國去談國際合作的比較是長期性的這一類計劃大概會暫時往後延那因為這種你很難說我減少人減少天就可以達到他還是需要一個比較嚴謹的籌備過程大概有兩個案子是因為這樣子大概會延期那另外就是說我們現在出國的人數天數\n都降低就是說我們希望他快去快回不是說你去參加你可能就周邊的這些考察資訊交流大概就沒辦法發生就去就回來就這樣了解所以可能聽起來應該是說我們的一些交流的實質影響可能會受損會下降那好那我想這真的是希望就是說未來不要再發生這樣子的事情\n接下來我們再來談一下國際交流就是說我們在3月10號的時候有看到一個報導就是說講土耳其的台灣中心的捐款的一個爭議報導那其實這個他們也有揭露說可能他們跟文化部申請的一些補助也有資料造假核銷資料造假的一個問題那當時新聞是這樣描述的就是說台灣動畫電影嘉年華的電影放映活動都只是百倍\n像是收據顯示我們借了場地啊 椅子啊 設備啊但是台灣中心的椅子本來就有啊看電視也只有提供看電影也只有提供爆米花果汁台灣電影聽不懂 字幕也看不懂所以當時這位先生 這位仇先生呢是說我們就換 等到影片拍完之後照片拍完之後我們就換成湯姆貓與傑利鼠的電影所以我想知道我也其實一直有在詢問就是文化部嘛\n就是我們明明在2023年就爆發爭議也有委員來向台灣中心這個補助案進行質詢但是為什麼文化部在2024年還是補助了這個協會呢我們當時有請他來說明當時的爭議嗎跟委員說明主要是因為這個協會其實是跟外交部共同成立的所以他如果是合法來提出補助那我們也覺得他的計畫看起來是有助於交流的話\n我們在評審的過程裡就會同意這個補助那在這個案子裡面我們的確有去查那目前我們查出來的包括單據跟放映的情況在台灣中心的部分不管土耳其的部分在台灣中心執行的部分看起來是沒有所謂的不實情況但這個部分我們仍然在調查中但是如果調查出來就是說因為我們本來就有規範這個\n這個補助款是專案專用所以如果調查出來他的確是有問題的的確是造假的話我們基本上是會追回款項的只是說到目前為止我們沒有什麼證據顯示說他在這一場活動是造假他的電影的確也有播放然後他的這個場地租借也都有有合法的單據目前的我想請問一下市長我們是不是有清查他從2022年之後的一些相關的申請案的一些核銷單據我們在目前一共\n在這幾年來一共捕捉他四個案子那這四個案子我們都會再做清查但我想請問一下就是說因為我也知道說他好像到現在都還沒有來做說明喔對因為我們有請他本人來做說明他有答應但他還沒有出現那這樣接下來我們怎麼辦呢下一步是什麼不好意思更正一下他上個禮拜已經來做說明那基本上他的說明到目前為止跟台灣中心的這個活動他認為是不相關的因為\n對 就是一個獨立的活動啦所以在目前為止是沒有查到說這一場是有造假的情況但是我只是說因為它不只只有這個補助案啦我是指說包含它其他的部分我們都有去進一步的核對嘛因為它的確是拿了我們國家納稅人的錢嘛那它在其他地方爆發爭議文化部一共就是補助它四個案子那這四個案子我們都有進行核對跟追查\n好所以就是說現在已經完成全部的調查了沒有發現造假的事對目前的調查都沒有顯示造假啦OK好那我想就是說因為這件事情其實引發蠻大的一個風波啦那未來我還是希望可以跟文化部來討論就是說類似這樣子的案子我們沒有可能在前面多做一些把關對這個案子在未來的如果他再來申請補助我們一定會做最嚴格的標準這個是沒有問題\n而且會要求他做一些承諾跟拒絕不然的話是不會再提供這樣的補助好那因為我時間有限我先不講我先問一個這個問題就是說一樣是預算的問題就是說人權管他去年編列了522萬5千元是要提供給我們國內團體的補助款但是呢因為當時呢這個國民黨的提案就是說他必須要跟好民文化協會來追回我們過去的補助款才能夠提出這個解凍\n才能夠提出解凍所以最近民間團體已經收到了一個這樣子的訊息就是說對於國內的部分完全沒有辦法進行那我想了解一下說文化部現在我們可以怎麼樣來協助這些人權團體讓他們可以得到相關的一些不管是資源補助因為他們其實都是非常重要的因為這一筆基本上也在這一次的解凍案裡面所以我們的說明只是說如果說這個案子因為這個案子300萬對人權管來說是一個蠻龐大的經費\n那如果這個解凍可以完成我們一樣會可以動機之後會再公告所以我們希望委員支持不用這個條件因為這個條件其實是是沒有辦法不可能達到的啊我們不能夠配合\n主要是因為他沒有做錯什麼事情同仁沒有做錯事然後他也是一個合法的核銷過程所以沒有辦法達到所以我們希望在做解凍案爭取的時候也可以爭取委員的支持不需要這個條件但是仍然可以解凍的話那當然就會比較順利所以我們現在解凍的報告依這個案子來說我們也是提出了解凍的對我們還是會準備解凍報告雖然過程中有很多的討論但我們仍然提出解凍報告好那我們期待這個解凍報告可以順利解凍希望謝謝\n好 謝謝張雅琳委員 次長請回座下一位我們請林佩祥委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.578 --> 00:03.600\n好我們繼續質詢請張雅玲委員謝謝主席我們有請次長好請次長\n\n00:20.822 --> 00:43.401\n雖然這次萬博我們沒有辦法以台灣的名義參加但是其實我們是有TechWorld的名義來參加就是這個玉山數位科技諸事會社希望透過科技的方式來向各國介紹台灣的文化那其實也是呼應了萬博的一個概念就是以應援未來奇蹟之島來呼應大會的主題創造閃耀生命光輝的未來社會強調台灣文化在全球種族背景下的應變能力跟自信的未來\n\n00:44.202 --> 01:05.427\n所以在八月的時候我們會開始舉辦一系列的跨領域的一些藝文展演來跟世界介紹台灣其實這樣子的模式我在看其實我覺得是蠻好的就是讓世界可以持續的認識台灣尤其是我們台日關係是非常非常友好我們可以透過這樣子的方式更深入兩國的一些交流那其實呢我自己看到就是說\n\n01:06.107 --> 01:26.335\n在我們去年其實某種程度上我們延續了這個很輝煌的成績就是在15天我們在文化奧運的館台灣館裡面吸引了7萬人次然後透過尼菲亞的演出告訴世界我們是一個非常包容力的文化那當時的很多的小物其實也都熱銷熱賣當時供不應求等等的\n\n01:29.266 --> 01:42.537\n那其中也有一個什麼千王歌等傳統文化告訴台灣告訴世界我們是個非常有底蘊的一個國家那當時編列了750萬的預算有一個不錯的成績那我知道原本我們在萬博也編列了2000萬那\n\n01:44.919 --> 02:01.548\n現在我知道就是說我想大家都知道就是因為這被國眾兩黨惡搞之後我想我不確定他們知不知道他們刪了這兩千萬的媒體宣傳費不過我希望次長可不可以簡單說明一下我們原本希望這兩千萬是要做什麼讓大家知道說我們失去了什麼\n\n02:02.569 --> 02:18.535\n跟委員報告其實我們編列所謂的媒宣費很重要就是其實是要突破現在整個媒體的社群市場基本上等於是被演算法控制那演算法是一個相當唯利是圖的一個演算法就是他希望你透過\n\n02:20.296 --> 02:35.603\n就是采购的方式才能够进行那所以我们现在的做法就会变成说如果我们失去了这个宣传的经费我们就没有办法我们原本两千万我们的规划是什么所以所有的投放跟采购就没有办法进行我们就只能办理活动\n\n02:36.263 --> 02:59.278\n然後能夠進行合作然後拜託說我們合作的這些廠商或者是我們合作的這些夥伴利用他們的這些管道來進行宣傳那另外就是我們可以辦記者會雖然我們沒有進行媒體採購但是我們還是可以邀請媒體來那希望他們可以主動對我們做報導那但是在社群上或者在演算上那個部分大概就是沒有辦法防守那個部分大概就是完全要靠自主擴散\n\n02:59.978 --> 03:27.401\n因為他可能是沒有辦法進行相關的採購的我想這個其實是非常吃力尤其在現代的社會所有的東西都非常需要行銷跟廣告的宣傳才能夠讓我們一個很好的活動更擴大嘛那剛剛有聽到就是次長說我們現在只能夠用非常應該說非常苦功的方式來宣傳那我覺得這對我們台灣是一個非常大的打擊也是一個非常可惜的一個機會那我也想再請教一下就是說我也知道我們國外旅費其實也刪了60%對不對對\n\n03:29.062 --> 03:57.064\n那這個到底對我們的文化交流會產生什麼樣子的影響呢第一個就是有一些本來要計劃去譬如他要以一個團隊出國去談國際合作的比較是長期性的這一類計劃大概會暫時往後延那因為這種你很難說我減少人減少天就可以達到他還是需要一個比較嚴謹的籌備過程大概有兩個案子是因為這樣子大概會延期那另外就是說我們現在出國的人數天數\n\n03:58.425 --> 04:18.902\n都降低就是說我們希望他快去快回不是說你去參加你可能就周邊的這些考察資訊交流大概就沒辦法發生就去就回來就這樣了解所以可能聽起來應該是說我們的一些交流的實質影響可能會受損會下降那好那我想這真的是希望就是說未來不要再發生這樣子的事情\n\n04:20.263 --> 04:43.020\n接下來我們再來談一下國際交流就是說我們在3月10號的時候有看到一個報導就是說講土耳其的台灣中心的捐款的一個爭議報導那其實這個他們也有揭露說可能他們跟文化部申請的一些補助也有資料造假核銷資料造假的一個問題那當時新聞是這樣描述的就是說台灣動畫電影嘉年華的電影放映活動都只是百倍\n\n04:43.600 --> 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