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00:01:40,000\n確實是如此啦就是說我們美國的市場大概佔我們整個出口大概23%目前是大概我們最重要的出口國嘛但是只有3%嘛這種世界裡面除了美國以外還有77%的市場在美國以外的地方我們當然就是希望把這個市場分散分散我們幫助傳產傳統產業事實上這個美國\n\n5\n00:01:44,822 --> 00:01:57,230\n並不是每一家公司都認為它是最重要的部分所以我們就開發部長我要跟你講因為我們一直在講我們跟美國互補我們的產業跟美國互補那個是指在科技產業但是傳統產業沒有傳統產業就競爭了如果在競爭的情況之下我們怎麼去保護這個傳統產業像我們有很多工具機的產業我們這個傳統的這個\n\n6\n00:02:10,261 --> 00:02:33,541\n這一個鋼鐵的上下游產業這些都是傳統產業但是他們在面對關稅衝擊的時候他們現在很擔心的就是如果未來美國因為關稅的一個成本提高那他們企業競爭力要怎麼保持就是他們要發生的事情所以快要讓他們發生的事情我覺得我們要來協助這一些傳統產業去參加國際的一個展覽甚至他們來\n\n7\n00:02:39,085 --> 00:02:48,753\n在台灣舉辦跨國的他們的這一些跨國的這些策展都很重要所以我覺得我們除了這個800億我們的一個追加預算就要有很大的預算要來補助這裡的企業讓他們可以再來\n\n8\n00:02:56,159 --> 00:03:21,169\n反電爛或是讓他們出去外國去接觸更多的市場因為過去這些市場對台灣來說我們可能說我們過去就依賴美國市場或是依賴中國市場現在不一樣了一定要有這個分散風險讓我們的產業在面對國際衝擊尤其川普的政策變化每天都在變化的情況之下如何讓他們撐過這樣的一個國際上的一個變局\n\n9\n00:03:25,071 --> 00:03:25,251\n我認為我們經濟部責無旁貸\n\n10\n00:03:49,498 --> 00:03:52,200\n代表,國內辦理會展,來輔導業者對新商品的發表,訂定來合作\n\n11\n00:04:04,785 --> 00:04:24,926\n開拓美國以外的新市場所以所有的金額有100億部長這100億所以我看到的有很多細部的規範比方說補助公司或商號去參加國外的展覽或者是補助工協會參加國際展覽然後你看補助的金額也寫到了312萬到382萬\n\n12\n00:04:27,589 --> 00:04:55,168\n那這樣的金額對於這些工學會在申請的時候是方便的嗎?還是說審查的過程太久,讓他們有時候都覺得說我要處理這條錢,現在這麼久有時候一些協會,這些企業企業界啦,說真的本身也並不是說都沒有都沒有錢啦,他們可能會自己開啦,但是那時候政府在審查這一些這一些他們補助的時候的力道跟速度就變得很重要囉\n\n13\n00:04:57,791 --> 00:05:11,003\n這齁報告委員我想這是都這樣啦過去的做法可能大家有一點怨言不過今後我們的做法比較不一樣我們今後做法只要是以國家我們統一對外來說希望辦一個比較大型的台灣館\n\n14\n00:05:15,347 --> 00:05:23,571\n大小的抽象都在台灣館裡面讓我們來做通一電納所以讓來參觀的人可以看到哇這很大隻這是對的看台灣兩年沒有錯像部長像東京食品展雖然是農業部但是台灣的企業都是很台灣是去參加的第二大\n\n15\n00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:56,532\n國家那現在像大阪的世博台灣也是有參加所以事實上我要講的就是說我們除了去參加國際的如果台灣的工協會有能量在台灣舉辦國際展的時候經濟部更需要幫忙我們當然會幫助就是說不管是他們的資金或什麼我覺得經濟部這裡可以到好三天就是要到三天好那我再問第二個問題這個部長這個藥廠的部分\n\n16\n00:06:08,500 --> 00:06:25,115\n經濟部管嗎?還是都衛福部管?經濟部管藥廠經濟部還是要管嘛那這一次藥品吼那川普已經說變成說要展開這個國安調查那所以如果未來藥品在美國科關稅的時候我想第一個會衝擊的就是學民藥\n\n17\n00:06:26,571 --> 00:06:41,512\n玄冥藥那台灣的藥廠還是以玄冥藥為主因為台灣在製作專利藥的時候有兩個問題第一我覺得衛福部官員也可以說明一下第一個我們審查期間太久\n\n18\n00:06:42,588 --> 00:07:10,943\n台灣的審查期間藥品的審查期間太久使得台灣很多這個新藥的開發事實上是曠日廢時的第二個台灣的學名藥我們現在最大的出口國還是美國所以未來如果美國對我們的學名藥廠我們的學名藥他們對所有的藥品科關稅的時候最大的衝擊一定是學名藥那學名藥就會直接影響到未來整個藥品的定價\n\n19\n00:07:11,883 --> 00:07:30,496\n那台灣很可惜,台灣的很多藥我們國內製造,國內有製造但是台灣卻沒有辦法通過我們自己食藥署的審查使得我們這個學名藥是出口到了美國在美國那邊再把它進回來很矛盾\n\n20\n00:07:31,961 --> 00:07:38,927\n過去都有這樣的狀況那這部分好是不是先請衛福部來說明一下我們現在整個對於藥廠的這個產業佈局你們要怎麼應應川普的關稅的國安調查\n\n21\n00:07:43,468 --> 00:08:03,495\n跟委員報告第一個是我國目前出口到美國的藥品那以去年為例的話大概佔我們所有藥品出口的37%但它的總值是最高嘛對不對我們出口去年是第二名大概只佔3.3億美元左右3億美元左右那我國的藥品產業事實上它是個內銷大於出口的一個狀況\n\n22\n00:08:04,855 --> 00:08:22,965\n那其實是輸入的部分是更高那對於藥廠出口的部分我們也目前都有跟這些主要的幾個出口商有做溝通也去了解一下他們的狀況那目前他們的判定是暫時是不會有什麼影響那將來我們會鼓勵他們還是以分散市場比如說往歐洲跟東南亞的方式去分散這個風險以上\n\n23\n00:08:25,717 --> 00:08:39,088\n這個衛福部副署長事實上分散市場這件事是經濟部要去提名衛福部你們要思考的就是說台灣這些藥廠他們長久以來的過病就是說他們很多藥在國外沒辦法用\n\n24\n00:08:42,217 --> 00:09:00,568\n在國內沒辦法用在國外是可以使用的但是台灣製造台灣製造外國在使用所以我們很多我們很多需要這個藥的人是要出口去買藥拿回來這件事情可以呈現出我們衛福部在跟這些藥廠的互動太貴\n\n25\n00:09:03,353 --> 00:09:18,435\n這件事很矛盾啊如果這個藥在美國FDA可以被使用但是很相對的台灣卻沒有同意然後要讓這些人還要去出口帶回來那未來整個成本提高的情況之下對藥廠更不利啊這部分是不是可以檢討一下\n\n26\n00:09:19,196 --> 00:09:34,480\n包括委員之後我們會檢討不過跟委員補充說明一下其實我們目前剛委員講的狀況應該是指原料藥的部分目前我們國產的原料確實它是以出口為主那國內的製劑廠目前在使用我們國產自製的原料大概比例只有到15%那這個部分我們會鼓勵去輔導國內的製劑廠盡量能夠擴大使用我們的國產原料藥的部分\n\n27\n00:09:40,957 --> 00:09:46,084\n我覺得這些問題事實上還很多啦也不是今天這樣講這麼單純因為時間有限啦我是想既然美國都已經針對藥品展開了國安調查未來整個藥品會受到的衝擊會很大\n\n28\n00:09:56,409 --> 00:10:10,901\n所以如何我們經濟部也好衛福部也好如何在這個時候協助我們這些藥廠也是一樣他們會有很大的很多關卡要去面對這都我們政府都要最幫忙去協助他們好不好是好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6766\t9751\t好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請郭部長我們請郭部長 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我覺得我們要來協助這一些傳統產業去參加國際的一個展覽甚至他們來\n159085\t168753\t在台灣舉辦跨國的他們的這一些跨國的這些策展都很重要所以我覺得我們除了這個800億我們的一個追加預算就要有很大的預算要來補助這裡的企業讓他們可以再來\n176159\t201169\t反電爛或是讓他們出去外國去接觸更多的市場因為過去這些市場對台灣來說我們可能說我們過去就依賴美國市場或是依賴中國市場現在不一樣了一定要有這個分散風險讓我們的產業在面對國際衝擊尤其川普的政策變化每天都在變化的情況之下如何讓他們撐過這樣的一個國際上的一個變局\n205071\t205251\t我認為我們經濟部責無旁貸\n229498\t232200\t代表,國內辦理會展,來輔導業者對新商品的發表,訂定來合作\n244785\t264926\t開拓美國以外的新市場所以所有的金額有100億部長這100億所以我看到的有很多細部的規範比方說補助公司或商號去參加國外的展覽或者是補助工協會參加國際展覽然後你看補助的金額也寫到了312萬到382萬\n267589\t295168\t那這樣的金額對於這些工學會在申請的時候是方便的嗎?還是說審查的過程太久,讓他們有時候都覺得說我要處理這條錢,現在這麼久有時候一些協會,這些企業企業界啦,說真的本身也並不是說都沒有都沒有錢啦,他們可能會自己開啦,但是那時候政府在審查這一些這一些他們補助的時候的力道跟速度就變得很重要囉\n297791\t311003\t這齁 報告委員 我想這是都這樣啦 過去的做法 可能大家有一點怨言不過今後我們的做法比較不一樣 我們今後做法只要是以國家 我們統一對外來說 希望辦一個比較大型的台灣館\n315347\t323571\t大小的抽象都在台灣館裡面 讓我們來做通一電納所以讓來參觀的人可以看到 哇這很大隻 這是對的 看台灣兩年沒有錯 像部長 像東京食品展雖然是農業部 但是台灣的企業都是很台灣是去參加的第二大\n339080\t356532\t國家那現在像大阪的世博台灣也是有參加所以事實上我要講的就是說我們除了去參加國際的如果台灣的工協會有能量在台灣舉辦國際展的時候經濟部更需要幫忙我們當然會幫助就是說不管是他們的資金或什麼我覺得經濟部這裡可以到好三天就是要到三天好那我再問第二個問題這個部長這個藥廠的部分\n368500\t385115\t經濟部管嗎?還是都衛福部管?經濟部管藥廠經濟部還是要管嘛那這一次藥品吼那川普已經說變成說要展開這個國安調查那所以如果未來藥品在美國科關稅的時候我想第一個會衝擊的就是學民藥\n386571\t401512\t玄冥藥 那台灣的藥廠還是以玄冥藥為主因為台灣在製作專利藥的時候有兩個問題第一 我覺得衛福部官員也可以說明一下第一個 我們審查期間太久\n402588\t430943\t台灣的審查期間 藥品的審查期間太久使得台灣很多這個新藥的開發事實上是曠日廢時的第二個 台灣的學名藥我們現在最大的出口國還是美國所以未來如果美國對我們的學名藥廠我們的學名藥他們對所有的藥品科關稅的時候最大的衝擊一定是學名藥那學名藥就會直接影響到未來整個藥品的定價\n431883\t450496\t那台灣很可惜,台灣的很多藥我們國內製造,國內有製造但是台灣卻沒有辦法通過我們自己食藥署的審查使得我們這個學名藥是出口到了美國在美國那邊再把它進回來很矛盾\n451961\t458927\t過去都有這樣的狀況那這部分好是不是先請衛福部來說明一下我們現在整個對於藥廠的這個產業佈局你們要怎麼應應川普的關稅的國安調查\n463468\t483495\t跟委員報告第一個是我國目前出口到美國的藥品那以去年為例的話大概佔我們所有藥品出口的37%但它的總值是最高嘛對不對我們出口去年是第二名大概只佔3.3億美元左右3億美元左右那我國的藥品產業事實上它是個內銷大於出口的一個狀況\n484855\t502965\t那其實是輸入的部分是更高那對於藥廠出口的部分我們也目前都有跟這些主要的幾個出口商有做溝通也去了解一下他們的狀況那目前他們的判定是暫時是不會有什麼影響那將來我們會鼓勵他們還是以分散市場比如說往歐洲跟東南亞的方式去分散這個風險 以上\n505717\t519088\t這個衛福部副署長事實上分散市場這件事是經濟部要去提名衛福部你們要思考的就是說台灣這些藥廠他們長久以來的過病就是說他們很多藥在國外沒辦法用\n522217\t540568\t在國內沒辦法用在國外是可以使用的但是台灣製造台灣製造外國在使用所以我們很多我們很多需要這個藥的人是要出口去買藥拿回來這件事情可以呈現出我們衛福部在跟這些藥廠的互動太貴\n543353\t558435\t這件事很矛盾啊如果這個藥在美國FDA可以被使用但是很相對的台灣卻沒有同意然後要讓這些人還要去出口帶回來那未來整個成本提高的情況之下對藥廠更不利啊這部分是不是可以檢討一下\n559196\t574480\t包括委員之後我們會檢討不過跟委員補充說明一下其實我們目前剛委員講的狀況應該是指原料藥的部分目前我們國產的原料確實它是以出口為主那國內的製劑廠目前在使用我們國產自製的原料大概比例只有到15%那這個部分我們會鼓勵去輔導國內的製劑廠盡量能夠擴大使用我們的國產原料藥的部分\n580957\t586084\t我覺得這些問題事實上還很多啦也不是今天這樣講這麼單純因為時間有限啦我是想既然美國都已經針對藥品展開了國安調查未來整個藥品會受到的衝擊會很大\n596409\t610901\t所以如何我們經濟部也好衛福部也好如何在這個時候協助我們這些藥廠也是一樣他們會有很大的很多關卡要去面對這都我們政府都要最幫忙去協助他們好不好是好謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那我們是不是有請郭部長我們請郭部長 謝謝\n各位好部長剛剛聽到就是邱委員跟你在聊我們一些科技產業面對這樣對等關稅那他未來整個關稅的影響到出口那部長也說你基本上你還是抱持著樂觀的態度但是我要講的就是說事實上台灣不只科技產業除了科技產業之外傳統產業面對這一次的關稅仍然是一個很大的挑戰\n這個挑戰來自於說雖然川普現在用90天的緩衝期稅率10%但是稅率10%還是提升了關稅還是提高了啦所以基本上成本被拉高是一件事情所以現在我們這整個傳統產業現在最需要的就是經濟部你要大家協助讓他們去開發更多的國際市場這件事我想部長這個是應該要做的吧\n確實是如此啦就是說我們美國的市場大概佔我們整個出口大概23%目前是大概我們最重要的出口國嘛但是只有3%嘛這種世界裡面除了美國以外還有77%的市場在美國以外的地方我們當然就是希望把這個市場分散分散我們幫助傳產傳統產業事實上這個美國\n並不是每一家公司都認為它是最重要的部分所以我們就開發部長我要跟你講因為我們一直在講我們跟美國互補我們的產業跟美國互補那個是指在科技產業但是傳統產業沒有傳統產業就競爭了如果在競爭的情況之下我們怎麼去保護這個傳統產業像我們有很多工具機的產業我們這個傳統的這個\n這一個鋼鐵的上下游產業 這些都是傳統產業但是他們在面對關稅衝擊的時候他們現在很擔心的就是如果未來美國因為關稅的一個成本提高 那他們企業競爭力要怎麼保持就是他們要發生的事情所以快要讓他們發生的事情 我覺得我們要來協助這一些傳統產業去參加國際的一個展覽甚至他們來\n在台灣舉辦跨國的他們的這一些跨國的這些策展都很重要所以我覺得我們除了這個800億我們的一個追加預算就要有很大的預算要來補助這裡的企業讓他們可以再來\n反電爛或是讓他們出去外國去接觸更多的市場因為過去這些市場對台灣來說我們可能說我們過去就依賴美國市場或是依賴中國市場現在不一樣了一定要有這個分散風險讓我們的產業在面對國際衝擊尤其川普的政策變化每天都在變化的情況之下如何讓他們撐過這樣的一個國際上的一個變局\n我認為我們經濟部責無旁貸\n代表,國內辦理會展,來輔導業者對新商品的發表,訂定來合作\n開拓美國以外的新市場所以所有的金額有100億部長這100億所以我看到的有很多細部的規範比方說補助公司或商號去參加國外的展覽或者是補助工協會參加國際展覽然後你看補助的金額也寫到了312萬到382萬\n那這樣的金額對於這些工學會在申請的時候是方便的嗎?還是說審查的過程太久,讓他們有時候都覺得說我要處理這條錢,現在這麼久有時候一些協會,這些企業企業界啦,說真的本身也並不是說都沒有都沒有錢啦,他們可能會自己開啦,但是那時候政府在審查這一些這一些他們補助的時候的力道跟速度就變得很重要囉\n這齁 報告委員 我想這是都這樣啦 過去的做法 可能大家有一點怨言不過今後我們的做法比較不一樣 我們今後做法只要是以國家 我們統一對外來說 希望辦一個比較大型的台灣館\n大小的抽象都在台灣館裡面 讓我們來做通一電納所以讓來參觀的人可以看到 哇這很大隻 這是對的 看台灣兩年沒有錯 像部長 像東京食品展雖然是農業部 但是台灣的企業都是很台灣是去參加的第二大\n國家那現在像大阪的世博台灣也是有參加所以事實上我要講的就是說我們除了去參加國際的如果台灣的工協會有能量在台灣舉辦國際展的時候經濟部更需要幫忙我們當然會幫助就是說不管是他們的資金或什麼我覺得經濟部這裡可以到好三天就是要到三天好那我再問第二個問題這個部長這個藥廠的部分\n經濟部管嗎?還是都衛福部管?經濟部管藥廠經濟部還是要管嘛那這一次藥品吼那川普已經說變成說要展開這個國安調查那所以如果未來藥品在美國科關稅的時候我想第一個會衝擊的就是學民藥\n玄冥藥 那台灣的藥廠還是以玄冥藥為主因為台灣在製作專利藥的時候有兩個問題第一 我覺得衛福部官員也可以說明一下第一個 我們審查期間太久\n台灣的審查期間 藥品的審查期間太久使得台灣很多這個新藥的開發事實上是曠日廢時的第二個 台灣的學名藥我們現在最大的出口國還是美國所以未來如果美國對我們的學名藥廠我們的學名藥他們對所有的藥品科關稅的時候最大的衝擊一定是學名藥那學名藥就會直接影響到未來整個藥品的定價\n那台灣很可惜,台灣的很多藥我們國內製造,國內有製造但是台灣卻沒有辦法通過我們自己食藥署的審查使得我們這個學名藥是出口到了美國在美國那邊再把它進回來很矛盾\n過去都有這樣的狀況那這部分好是不是先請衛福部來說明一下我們現在整個對於藥廠的這個產業佈局你們要怎麼應應川普的關稅的國安調查\n跟委員報告第一個是我國目前出口到美國的藥品那以去年為例的話大概佔我們所有藥品出口的37%但它的總值是最高嘛對不對我們出口去年是第二名大概只佔3.3億美元左右3億美元左右那我國的藥品產業事實上它是個內銷大於出口的一個狀況\n那其實是輸入的部分是更高那對於藥廠出口的部分我們也目前都有跟這些主要的幾個出口商有做溝通也去了解一下他們的狀況那目前他們的判定是暫時是不會有什麼影響那將來我們會鼓勵他們還是以分散市場比如說往歐洲跟東南亞的方式去分散這個風險 以上\n這個衛福部副署長事實上分散市場這件事是經濟部要去提名衛福部你們要思考的就是說台灣這些藥廠他們長久以來的過病就是說他們很多藥在國外沒辦法用\n在國內沒辦法用在國外是可以使用的但是台灣製造台灣製造外國在使用所以我們很多我們很多需要這個藥的人是要出口去買藥拿回來這件事情可以呈現出我們衛福部在跟這些藥廠的互動太貴\n這件事很矛盾啊如果這個藥在美國FDA可以被使用但是很相對的台灣卻沒有同意然後要讓這些人還要去出口帶回來那未來整個成本提高的情況之下對藥廠更不利啊這部分是不是可以檢討一下\n包括委員之後我們會檢討不過跟委員補充說明一下其實我們目前剛委員講的狀況應該是指原料藥的部分目前我們國產的原料確實它是以出口為主那國內的製劑廠目前在使用我們國產自製的原料大概比例只有到15%那這個部分我們會鼓勵去輔導國內的製劑廠盡量能夠擴大使用我們的國產原料藥的部分\n我覺得這些問題事實上還很多啦也不是今天這樣講這麼單純因為時間有限啦我是想既然美國都已經針對藥品展開了國安調查未來整個藥品會受到的衝擊會很大\n所以如何我們經濟部也好衛福部也好如何在這個時候協助我們這些藥廠也是一樣他們會有很大的很多關卡要去面對這都我們政府都要最幫忙去協助他們好不好是好謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.766 --> 00:09.751\n好謝謝主席那我們是不是有請郭部長我們請郭部長謝謝\n\n00:17.918 --> 00:46.795\n各位好部長剛剛聽到就是邱委員跟你在聊我們一些科技產業面對這樣對等關稅那他未來整個關稅的影響到出口那部長也說你基本上你還是抱持著樂觀的態度但是我要講的就是說事實上台灣不只科技產業除了科技產業之外傳統產業面對這一次的關稅仍然是一個很大的挑戰\n\n00:47.945 --> 01:14.791\n這個挑戰來自於說雖然川普現在用90天的緩衝期稅率10%但是稅率10%還是提升了關稅還是提高了啦所以基本上成本被拉高是一件事情所以現在我們這整個傳統產業現在最需要的就是經濟部你要大家協助讓他們去開發更多的國際市場這件事我想部長這個是應該要做的吧\n\n01:17.148 --> 01:40.000\n確實是如此啦就是說我們美國的市場大概佔我們整個出口大概23%目前是大概我們最重要的出口國嘛但是只有3%嘛這種世界裡面除了美國以外還有77%的市場在美國以外的地方我們當然就是希望把這個市場分散分散我們幫助傳產傳統產業事實上這個美國\n\n01:44.822 --> 01:57.230\n並不是每一家公司都認為它是最重要的部分所以我們就開發部長我要跟你講因為我們一直在講我們跟美國互補我們的產業跟美國互補那個是指在科技產業但是傳統產業沒有傳統產業就競爭了如果在競爭的情況之下我們怎麼去保護這個傳統產業像我們有很多工具機的產業我們這個傳統的這個\n\n02:10.261 --> 02:33.541\n這一個鋼鐵的上下游產業這些都是傳統產業但是他們在面對關稅衝擊的時候他們現在很擔心的就是如果未來美國因為關稅的一個成本提高那他們企業競爭力要怎麼保持就是他們要發生的事情所以快要讓他們發生的事情我覺得我們要來協助這一些傳統產業去參加國際的一個展覽甚至他們來\n\n02:39.085 --> 02:48.753\n在台灣舉辦跨國的他們的這一些跨國的這些策展都很重要所以我覺得我們除了這個800億我們的一個追加預算就要有很大的預算要來補助這裡的企業讓他們可以再來\n\n02:56.159 --> 03:21.169\n反電爛或是讓他們出去外國去接觸更多的市場因為過去這些市場對台灣來說我們可能說我們過去就依賴美國市場或是依賴中國市場現在不一樣了一定要有這個分散風險讓我們的產業在面對國際衝擊尤其川普的政策變化每天都在變化的情況之下如何讓他們撐過這樣的一個國際上的一個變局\n\n03:25.071 --> 03:25.251\n我認為我們經濟部責無旁貸\n\n03:49.498 --> 03:52.200\n代表,國內辦理會展,來輔導業者對新商品的發表,訂定來合作\n\n04:04.785 --> 04:24.926\n開拓美國以外的新市場所以所有的金額有100億部長這100億所以我看到的有很多細部的規範比方說補助公司或商號去參加國外的展覽或者是補助工協會參加國際展覽然後你看補助的金額也寫到了312萬到382萬\n\n04:27.589 --> 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