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00:02:35,167\n是好那這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長了也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝了100億作為裁員委託文策院來持續的往上成長所以它的這個執行長這個Peters說\n\n8\n00:02:45,575 --> 00:02:58,036\n娛樂產業在歷來經濟較為艱困的時期都表現出相當的韌性喔那不過呢在這個時候我們要投入文創內容預算的這件事情上可能就要比以往更加謹慎更講究策略次長同意嗎\n\n9\n00:03:01,650 --> 00:03:22,136\n那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有宰民是股份有限所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝100億作為裁員委託文策院來執行公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n\n10\n00:03:23,936 --> 00:03:30,479\n它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好針對文化內容產業沒有錯所以執行國發基金那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有指明是\n\n11\n00:03:39,702 --> 00:04:02,151\n股份有限我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主好但是我們來看到文策院投資案的公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n\n12\n00:04:03,953 --> 00:04:27,051\n它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好針對文化內容產業沒有錯所以當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是准入文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院供我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象\n\n13\n00:04:28,192 --> 00:04:56,284\n是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主但是我們來看到文策院投資案同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館餐廳會議辦理跟這個營酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容那\n\n14\n00:04:57,765 --> 00:05:19,116\n而且本席進步的來調查這個當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是準陸文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院共同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館黃金稻埕在104年\n\n15\n00:05:22,718 --> 00:05:45,363\n在104人力銀行招募的九項職權禮我看到有七項都是在招募這個餐飲人才餐廳會議辦理跟這個飲酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容而且本席進一步的來調查這個工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個弗蘭許咖啡\n\n16\n00:05:46,663 --> 00:06:15,402\n福萊許咖啡館還有這個發琴吧酒黃金稻埕在104人力銀行招募的9項職權禮我看到有7項都是在招募這個餐飲人才鹹健這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個福萊許咖啡\n\n17\n00:06:16,704 --> 00:06:26,840\n福萊許咖啡館還有這個發情罷酒發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎謝謝\n\n18\n00:06:28,953 --> 00:06:51,912\n委員好跟委員做說明因為黃金道人這個案子它是以這個文化策展為吸引的訴求啦它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的這個跟一般餐廳是不一樣的我爸賢健喔這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧喔那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的它是用文化元素在做\n\n19\n00:06:52,312 --> 00:07:07,309\n那個我想一樣次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎可以謝謝\n\n20\n00:07:09,019 --> 00:07:30,278\n委員好跟委員說覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要我覺得是有落差那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料自己顯示說明因為黃金造成這個案子它是以文化策展為吸引的訴求它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的跟一般餐廳是不一樣的\n\n21\n00:07:30,538 --> 00:07:59,493\n它的業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資案其實社長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那它這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是它的這個投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以\n\n22\n00:08:00,033 --> 00:08:29,105\n他還是用文化元素在做來那個我想一樣次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就這樣當然啦就是說他在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展喔那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要喔我覺得是有落差喔那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料\n\n23\n00:08:29,545 --> 00:08:55,897\n自己顯示它多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀口上補助要補助對地方那這個本席一開始有說到這業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎\n\n24\n00:08:57,057 --> 00:09:12,089\n那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創案其實次長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那他這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是他的這個\n\n25\n00:09:13,510 --> 00:09:40,335\n投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以在這個地方或者是這個文化內容是占少數的我覺得我們是要去多想一下那另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個宣華股份有限公司的這個投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資宣華公司也獲得文策院這樣\n\n26\n00:09:41,315 --> 00:10:08,072\n當然就是說它在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更三千萬的這個資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在這個我們的資金這個進入之後113年絕多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀火上補助要補助對地方\n\n27\n00:10:08,832 --> 00:10:30,332\n那這個本席開始有說到一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創\n\n28\n00:10:31,814 --> 00:10:54,474\n文化部後來知道那文化部後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個不法有沒有銀行或者是這個文化內容是在少數的我覺得我們是要去多\n\n29\n00:10:56,334 --> 00:11:14,859\n另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個軒華股份有限公司的投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資軒華公司也獲得文策院的作為文策院應該有機制我還是請文策院做說明\n\n30\n00:11:15,933 --> 00:11:28,630\n跟委員報告因為第一個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以我們當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的\n\n31\n00:11:31,213 --> 00:11:49,936\n3千萬的資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在我們的資金進入之後113年捲入了一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎\n\n32\n00:11:51,277 --> 00:12:03,983\n那個次長剛文策院回答是說我們投資之後它才發生的嘛但我們來看一看投資之前它發生什麼那這個投資對象這個雄華公司在文策院110年投資之前也就是108年就爆出了這個負責人利用職權性騷擾旗下的無雙樂壇文化部後來知道那文化部如果後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方\n\n33\n00:12:19,411 --> 00:12:44,482\n那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個步伐有沒有英女團圓那這個有性騷擾前科的這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素其實考量進去那包括這個相關內部的文化或相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n\n34\n00:12:49,141 --> 00:12:54,961\n各位報告我們都有做嚴謹的作為文哲元應該有機制我還是請文哲元做說明\n\n35\n00:12:56,038 --> 00:13:24,234\n跟委員報告因為第一個這個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的盡職調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴或別的那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議\n\n36\n00:13:25,495 --> 00:13:52,205\n但是是争议还是事实我们没有去因为我们主要是看司法有没有判决那个次长刚文策院回答是说我们投资之后它才发生的但我们来看一看投资之前它发生什么那这个投资对象这个匈牙公司在文策院110年投资之前也就是108年就爆出了这个负责人利用职权性骚扰旗下的无双月台这件事情所以我们还是依贵判断\n\n37\n00:13:52,785 --> 00:14:16,536\n所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是跟文女團圓喔那這個有性騷擾前科這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素喔其實考量進去喔那包括這個那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人這部分\n\n38\n00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:24,955\n跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的這一個相關內部的文化或是相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n\n39\n00:14:29,278 --> 00:14:55,791\n跟委員報告我們都有做嚴謹的基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的禁止調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議但是是爭議還是事實\n\n40\n00:14:58,012 --> 00:15:07,796\n我們沒有去因為我們主要是看司法有沒有判決但是我必須要提醒啦如果他們沒有走到司法的部分去喔那但是呢可能說雙方是和解還是沒有這樣的事情喔我個人認為喔我建議啊建議次長啦就是說我們今天在投資的時候您剛剛也有說針對文化內容時間暫停\n\n41\n00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:30,129\n好所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是根本主席時間可以暫停一下嗎我剛還有幾秒鐘\n\n42\n00:15:38,771 --> 00:15:54,545\n對好社長我想今天本席把它提出來是希望按照您剛剛所說的我們所有的投資要針對對文化內容這是主體第二個對我們文化的產業有幫助所以今天提出這兩個案子我是希望你們能夠回頭去釐清\n\n43\n00:15:56,266 --> 00:16:03,890\n不管是他們有沒有這個相關這個涉及這個詐騙的案件啦或者涉及性騷啦那或者是說這個投資方他們是根本跟這個文化關係不大的啦其實我覺得就是我們回頭去檢討今天並不是說你投資這兩個我們指責說這是完全不對的事情但是有非常多的點是值得去檢討的地方所以今天本席把它提出來是希望我們要回頭去檢討\n\n44\n00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:35,760\n那剛剛你所說的像這樣的性騷或許你說對啊他們沒有走到這個司法但是我們要不要去看看有沒有實際上有沒有這樣的事情那如果有那我們要不要去做考量那如果沒有那我覺得就可以大大方方在這裡去說所以我想本席今天在這裡齁\n\n45\n00:16:36,561 --> 00:17:00,008\n我還是認為這麼多的事情不希望是我們眾多投資當中冰山的一角因為我們文策院也好文化部也好本來是一番好意可是我們文化部跟文策院能夠盡速地來檢討我們現行的投審機制同時將這個共同方也要納入審查的範圍一個月之內跟本席一個書面的答覆這可以做得到嗎\n\n46\n00:17:00,848 --> 00:17:12,508\n跟委員說明大概幾件事第一個針對委員今天提出來的去做檢視這個我們做得到那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人的這部分\n\n47\n00:17:13,676 --> 00:17:33,446\n跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的第二個我剛剛是要跟委員澄清說過去的標準的確只用司法那接下來我們可以在當事人的部分進行比較多的蒐集我們很難做事實的認定因為沒有司法的情況下我們沒有辦法在這裡回答說這是真的還是假的\n\n48\n00:17:34,026 --> 00:17:46,710\n市長我能理解我都能理解我想我能理解你要說的你應該也能理解我今天質詢的用意所以我們希望就是更嚴謹那把我們的預算上能夠更大化的幫助我們文化產業這樣好不好那但是拜託我們還是要\n\n49\n00:17:49,591 --> 00:17:53,834\n一個月內我們還是把一個書面的報告給我好不好我想針對這兩家在一個月內是可以那其他的部分我們再看我們基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的但是我必須要提\n\n50\n00:18:08,306 --> 00:18:08,886\n好謝謝萬本玲委員次長請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t409\t好 謝謝召委 那有請次長好 有請次長\n18573\t39762\t瑋洋好瑋洋好但是我們卻發現文化創意娛樂產業卻意外地逆勢成長那可能是因為它沒有這個依賴貨運運輸受關稅影響我想我們最近看到世界各國都受到美國總統川普關稅政策的影響那麼除了全球股市大震盪之外很多產業也預計陸陸續續可能這個創會比較小那受到經濟趨緩的影響那民眾的一般性消費可能會降低可是呢\n46745\t52289\t這時候可能通常會窩在家裡面看電視看電影打遊戲都會出來但是我們卻發現文化創意娛樂產業卻意外地逆勢成長那可能是因為他沒有這個依賴貨運運輸受關稅影響等等所以許多的投資人都在這個時候認為說\n64176\t70061\t關稅危機對於文創娛樂產業來說可能也是一個轉機那在這樣的背景之下事實上也證明文創娛樂產業的串流平台Netflix的成長是層逆勢的成長那在一片股災之下我們看到它的股價上漲了15%那會比較小那受到經濟趨緩的影響那民眾的一般性消費可能會降低\n85655\t91416\t可是這時候可能通常會窩在家裡面看電視看電影打遊戲等等所以許多的投資人都在這個時候認為說關稅危機對於文創娛樂產業來說可能也是一個轉機那在這樣的背景之下這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續地往上成長所以它的執行長Peters說\n114782\t138050\t娱乐产业在历来经济较为艰困的时期都表现出相当的任性上也证明文创娱乐产业的串流平台Netflix的成长是层面式的成长那在一片股灾之下我们看到它的股价上涨了15%那不过呢在这个时候我们要投入文创内容预算的这件事情上可能就要比以往更加谨慎更讲究策略次长的同意吗\n139238\t155167\t是好 那這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長了也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝了100億作為裁員委託文策院來持續的往上成長所以它的這個執行長這個Peters說\n165575\t178036\t娛樂產業在歷來經濟較為艱困的時期都表現出相當的韌性喔那不過呢在這個時候我們要投入文創內容預算的這件事情上可能就要比以往更加謹慎更講究策略次長同意嗎\n181650\t202136\t那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有宰民是股份有限所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝100億作為裁員委託文策院來執行公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n203936\t210479\t它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好 針對文化內容產業 沒有錯所以執行國發基金那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有指明是\n219702\t242151\t股份有限我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主好但是我們來看到文策院投資案的公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n243953\t267051\t它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好 針對文化內容產業 沒有錯所以當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是准入文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院供我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象\n268192\t296284\t是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主但是我們來看到文策院投資案同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館餐廳會議辦理跟這個營酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容那\n297765\t319116\t而且本席進步的來調查這個當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是準陸文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院共同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館黃金稻埕在104年\n322718\t345363\t在104人力銀行招募的九項職權禮我看到有七項都是在招募這個餐飲人才餐廳會議辦理跟這個飲酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容而且本席進一步的來調查這個工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個弗蘭許咖啡\n346663\t375402\t福萊許咖啡館還有這個發琴吧酒黃金稻埕在104人力銀行招募的9項職權禮我看到有7項都是在招募這個餐飲人才鹹健這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個福萊許咖啡\n376704\t386840\t福萊許咖啡館還有這個發情罷酒發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎 謝謝\n388953\t411912\t委員好 跟委員做說明因為黃金道人這個案子它是以這個文化策展為吸引的訴求啦它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的這個跟一般餐廳是不一樣的我爸 賢健喔這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧喔那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的它是用文化元素在做\n412312\t427309\t那個我想一樣次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎可以謝謝\n429019\t450278\t委員好跟委員說覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要我覺得是有落差那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料自己顯示說明因為黃金造成這個案子它是以文化策展為吸引的訴求它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的跟一般餐廳是不一樣的\n450538\t479493\t它的業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資案其實社長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那它這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是它的這個投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以\n480033\t509105\t他還是用文化元素在做來那個我想一樣 次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就這樣當然啦就是說他在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展喔那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要喔我覺得是有落差喔那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料\n509545\t535897\t自己顯示它多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀口上補助要補助對地方那這個本席一開始有說到這業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎\n537057\t552089\t那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創案其實次長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那他這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是他的這個\n553510\t580335\t投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以在這個地方或者是這個文化內容是占少數的我覺得我們是要去多想一下那另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個宣華股份有限公司的這個投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資宣華公司也獲得文策院這樣\n581315\t608072\t當然就是說它在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更三千萬的這個資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在這個我們的資金這個進入之後113年絕多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀火上補助要補助對地方\n608832\t630332\t那這個本席開始有說到一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創\n631814\t654474\t文化部後來知道那文化部後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個不法有沒有銀行或者是這個文化內容是在少數的我覺得我們是要去多\n656334\t674859\t另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個軒華股份有限公司的投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資軒華公司也獲得文策院的作為文策院應該有機制我還是請文策院做說明\n675933\t688630\t跟委員報告因為第一個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以我們當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的\n691213\t709936\t3千萬的資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在我們的資金進入之後113年捲入了一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎\n711277\t723983\t那個次長 剛文策院回答是說我們投資之後它才發生的嘛但我們來看一看 投資之前它發生什麼那這個投資對象 這個雄華公司在文策院110年投資之前也就是108年就爆出了這個負責人利用職權性騷擾旗下的無雙樂壇文化部後來知道那文化部如果後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方\n739411\t764482\t那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個步伐有沒有英女團圓那這個有性騷擾前科的這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素其實考量進去那包括這個相關內部的文化或相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n769141\t774961\t各位報告 我們都有做嚴謹的作為文哲元應該有機制 我還是請文哲元做說明\n776038\t804234\t跟委員報告因為第一個這個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的盡職調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴或別的那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議\n805495\t832205\t但是是争议还是事实我们没有去因为我们主要是看司法有没有判决那个次长刚文策院回答是说我们投资之后它才发生的但我们来看一看投资之前它发生什么那这个投资对象这个匈牙公司在文策院110年投资之前也就是108年就爆出了这个负责人利用职权性骚扰旗下的无双月台这件事情所以我们还是依贵判断\n832785\t856536\t所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是跟文女團圓喔那這個有性騷擾前科這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素喔其實考量進去喔那包括這個那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人這部分\n857720\t864955\t跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的這一個相關內部的文化或是相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n869278\t895791\t跟委員報告我們都有做嚴謹的基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的禁止調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議但是是爭議還是事實\n898012\t907796\t我們沒有去 因為我們主要是看司法有沒有判決但是我必須要提醒啦如果他們沒有走到司法的部分去喔那但是呢可能說雙方是和解還是沒有這樣的事情喔我個人認為喔 我建議啊建議次長啦就是說我們今天在投資的時候您剛剛也有說針對文化內容時間暫停\n922222\t930129\t好所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是根本主席時間可以暫停一下嗎我剛還有幾秒鐘\n938771\t954545\t對好 社長我想今天本席把它提出來是希望按照您剛剛所說的我們所有的投資要針對對文化內容這是主體第二個對我們文化的產業有幫助所以今天提出這兩個案子我是希望你們能夠回頭去釐清\n956266\t963890\t不管是他們有沒有這個相關這個涉及這個詐騙的案件啦或者涉及性騷啦那或者是說這個投資方他們是根本跟這個文化關係不大的啦其實我覺得就是我們回頭去檢討今天並不是說你投資這兩個我們指責說這是完全不對的事情但是有非常多的點是值得去檢討的地方所以今天本席把它提出來是希望我們要回頭去檢討\n981300\t995760\t那剛剛你所說的像這樣的性騷或許你說對啊他們沒有走到這個司法但是我們要不要去看看有沒有實際上有沒有這樣的事情那如果有那我們要不要去做考量那如果沒有那我覺得就可以大大方方在這裡去說所以我想本席今天在這裡齁\n996561\t1020008\t我還是認為這麼多的事情不希望是我們眾多投資當中冰山的一角因為我們文策院也好文化部也好本來是一番好意可是我們文化部跟文策院能夠盡速地來檢討我們現行的投審機制同時將這個共同方也要納入審查的範圍一個月之內跟本席一個書面的答覆這可以做得到嗎\n1020848\t1032508\t跟委員說明大概幾件事第一個 針對委員今天提出來的去做檢視 這個我們做得到那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個 我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人的這部分\n1033676\t1053446\t跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的第二個我剛剛是要跟委員澄清說過去的標準的確只用司法那接下來我們可以在當事人的部分進行比較多的蒐集我們很難做事實的認定因為沒有司法的情況下我們沒有辦法在這裡回答說這是真的還是假的\n1054026\t1066710\t市長我能理解我都能理解我想我能理解你要說的你應該也能理解我今天質詢的用意所以我們希望就是更嚴謹那把我們的預算上能夠更大化的幫助我們文化產業這樣好不好那但是拜託我們還是要\n1069591\t1073834\t一個月內我們還是把一個書面的報告給我好不好我想針對這兩家在一個月內是可以那其他的部分我們再看我們基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的但是我必須要提\n1088306\t1088886\t好 謝謝萬本玲委員 次長請回\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委 那有請次長好 有請次長\n瑋洋好瑋洋好但是我們卻發現文化創意娛樂產業卻意外地逆勢成長那可能是因為它沒有這個依賴貨運運輸受關稅影響我想我們最近看到世界各國都受到美國總統川普關稅政策的影響那麼除了全球股市大震盪之外很多產業也預計陸陸續續可能這個創會比較小那受到經濟趨緩的影響那民眾的一般性消費可能會降低可是呢\n這時候可能通常會窩在家裡面看電視看電影打遊戲都會出來但是我們卻發現文化創意娛樂產業卻意外地逆勢成長那可能是因為他沒有這個依賴貨運運輸受關稅影響等等所以許多的投資人都在這個時候認為說\n關稅危機對於文創娛樂產業來說可能也是一個轉機那在這樣的背景之下事實上也證明文創娛樂產業的串流平台Netflix的成長是層逆勢的成長那在一片股災之下我們看到它的股價上漲了15%那會比較小那受到經濟趨緩的影響那民眾的一般性消費可能會降低\n可是這時候可能通常會窩在家裡面看電視看電影打遊戲等等所以許多的投資人都在這個時候認為說關稅危機對於文創娛樂產業來說可能也是一個轉機那在這樣的背景之下這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續地往上成長所以它的執行長Peters說\n娱乐产业在历来经济较为艰困的时期都表现出相当的任性上也证明文创娱乐产业的串流平台Netflix的成长是层面式的成长那在一片股灾之下我们看到它的股价上涨了15%那不过呢在这个时候我们要投入文创内容预算的这件事情上可能就要比以往更加谨慎更讲究策略次长的同意吗\n是好 那這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長了也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝了100億作為裁員委託文策院來持續的往上成長所以它的這個執行長這個Peters說\n娛樂產業在歷來經濟較為艱困的時期都表現出相當的韌性喔那不過呢在這個時候我們要投入文創內容預算的這件事情上可能就要比以往更加謹慎更講究策略次長同意嗎\n那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有宰民是股份有限所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝100億作為裁員委託文策院來執行公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好 針對文化內容產業 沒有錯所以執行國發基金那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有指明是\n股份有限我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主好但是我們來看到文策院投資案的公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好 針對文化內容產業 沒有錯所以當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是准入文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院供我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象\n是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主但是我們來看到文策院投資案同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館餐廳會議辦理跟這個營酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容那\n而且本席進步的來調查這個當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是準陸文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院共同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館黃金稻埕在104年\n在104人力銀行招募的九項職權禮我看到有七項都是在招募這個餐飲人才餐廳會議辦理跟這個飲酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容而且本席進一步的來調查這個工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個弗蘭許咖啡\n福萊許咖啡館還有這個發琴吧酒黃金稻埕在104人力銀行招募的9項職權禮我看到有7項都是在招募這個餐飲人才鹹健這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個福萊許咖啡\n福萊許咖啡館還有這個發情罷酒發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎 謝謝\n委員好 跟委員做說明因為黃金道人這個案子它是以這個文化策展為吸引的訴求啦它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的這個跟一般餐廳是不一樣的我爸 賢健喔這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧喔那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的它是用文化元素在做\n那個我想一樣次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎可以謝謝\n委員好跟委員說覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要我覺得是有落差那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料自己顯示說明因為黃金造成這個案子它是以文化策展為吸引的訴求它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的跟一般餐廳是不一樣的\n它的業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資案其實社長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那它這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是它的這個投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以\n他還是用文化元素在做來那個我想一樣 次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就這樣當然啦就是說他在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展喔那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要喔我覺得是有落差喔那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料\n自己顯示它多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀口上補助要補助對地方那這個本席一開始有說到這業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎\n那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創案其實次長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那他這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是他的這個\n投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以在這個地方或者是這個文化內容是占少數的我覺得我們是要去多想一下那另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個宣華股份有限公司的這個投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資宣華公司也獲得文策院這樣\n當然就是說它在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更三千萬的這個資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在這個我們的資金這個進入之後113年絕多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀火上補助要補助對地方\n那這個本席開始有說到一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創\n文化部後來知道那文化部後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個不法有沒有銀行或者是這個文化內容是在少數的我覺得我們是要去多\n另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個軒華股份有限公司的投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資軒華公司也獲得文策院的作為文策院應該有機制我還是請文策院做說明\n跟委員報告因為第一個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以我們當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的\n3千萬的資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在我們的資金進入之後113年捲入了一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎\n那個次長 剛文策院回答是說我們投資之後它才發生的嘛但我們來看一看 投資之前它發生什麼那這個投資對象 這個雄華公司在文策院110年投資之前也就是108年就爆出了這個負責人利用職權性騷擾旗下的無雙樂壇文化部後來知道那文化部如果後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方\n那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個步伐有沒有英女團圓那這個有性騷擾前科的這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素其實考量進去那包括這個相關內部的文化或相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n各位報告 我們都有做嚴謹的作為文哲元應該有機制 我還是請文哲元做說明\n跟委員報告因為第一個這個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的盡職調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴或別的那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議\n但是是争议还是事实我们没有去因为我们主要是看司法有没有判决那个次长刚文策院回答是说我们投资之后它才发生的但我们来看一看投资之前它发生什么那这个投资对象这个匈牙公司在文策院110年投资之前也就是108年就爆出了这个负责人利用职权性骚扰旗下的无双月台这件事情所以我们还是依贵判断\n所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是跟文女團圓喔那這個有性騷擾前科這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素喔其實考量進去喔那包括這個那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人這部分\n跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的這一個相關內部的文化或是相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n跟委員報告我們都有做嚴謹的基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的禁止調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議但是是爭議還是事實\n我們沒有去 因為我們主要是看司法有沒有判決但是我必須要提醒啦如果他們沒有走到司法的部分去喔那但是呢可能說雙方是和解還是沒有這樣的事情喔我個人認為喔 我建議啊建議次長啦就是說我們今天在投資的時候您剛剛也有說針對文化內容時間暫停\n好所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是根本主席時間可以暫停一下嗎我剛還有幾秒鐘\n對好 社長我想今天本席把它提出來是希望按照您剛剛所說的我們所有的投資要針對對文化內容這是主體第二個對我們文化的產業有幫助所以今天提出這兩個案子我是希望你們能夠回頭去釐清\n不管是他們有沒有這個相關這個涉及這個詐騙的案件啦或者涉及性騷啦那或者是說這個投資方他們是根本跟這個文化關係不大的啦其實我覺得就是我們回頭去檢討今天並不是說你投資這兩個我們指責說這是完全不對的事情但是有非常多的點是值得去檢討的地方所以今天本席把它提出來是希望我們要回頭去檢討\n那剛剛你所說的像這樣的性騷或許你說對啊他們沒有走到這個司法但是我們要不要去看看有沒有實際上有沒有這樣的事情那如果有那我們要不要去做考量那如果沒有那我覺得就可以大大方方在這裡去說所以我想本席今天在這裡齁\n我還是認為這麼多的事情不希望是我們眾多投資當中冰山的一角因為我們文策院也好文化部也好本來是一番好意可是我們文化部跟文策院能夠盡速地來檢討我們現行的投審機制同時將這個共同方也要納入審查的範圍一個月之內跟本席一個書面的答覆這可以做得到嗎\n跟委員說明大概幾件事第一個 針對委員今天提出來的去做檢視 這個我們做得到那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個 我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人的這部分\n跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的第二個我剛剛是要跟委員澄清說過去的標準的確只用司法那接下來我們可以在當事人的部分進行比較多的蒐集我們很難做事實的認定因為沒有司法的情況下我們沒有辦法在這裡回答說這是真的還是假的\n市長我能理解我都能理解我想我能理解你要說的你應該也能理解我今天質詢的用意所以我們希望就是更嚴謹那把我們的預算上能夠更大化的幫助我們文化產業這樣好不好那但是拜託我們還是要\n一個月內我們還是把一個書面的報告給我好不好我想針對這兩家在一個月內是可以那其他的部分我們再看我們基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的但是我必須要提\n好 謝謝萬本玲委員 次長請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:00.409\n好謝謝召委那有請次長好有請次長\n\n00:18.573 --> 00:39.762\n瑋洋好瑋洋好但是我們卻發現文化創意娛樂產業卻意外地逆勢成長那可能是因為它沒有這個依賴貨運運輸受關稅影響我想我們最近看到世界各國都受到美國總統川普關稅政策的影響那麼除了全球股市大震盪之外很多產業也預計陸陸續續可能這個創會比較小那受到經濟趨緩的影響那民眾的一般性消費可能會降低可是呢\n\n00:46.745 --> 00:52.289\n這時候可能通常會窩在家裡面看電視看電影打遊戲都會出來但是我們卻發現文化創意娛樂產業卻意外地逆勢成長那可能是因為他沒有這個依賴貨運運輸受關稅影響等等所以許多的投資人都在這個時候認為說\n\n01:04.176 --> 01:10.061\n關稅危機對於文創娛樂產業來說可能也是一個轉機那在這樣的背景之下事實上也證明文創娛樂產業的串流平台Netflix的成長是層逆勢的成長那在一片股災之下我們看到它的股價上漲了15%那會比較小那受到經濟趨緩的影響那民眾的一般性消費可能會降低\n\n01:25.655 --> 01:31.416\n可是這時候可能通常會窩在家裡面看電視看電影打遊戲等等所以許多的投資人都在這個時候認為說關稅危機對於文創娛樂產業來說可能也是一個轉機那在這樣的背景之下這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續地往上成長所以它的執行長Peters說\n\n01:54.782 --> 02:18.050\n娱乐产业在历来经济较为艰困的时期都表现出相当的任性上也证明文创娱乐产业的串流平台Netflix的成长是层面式的成长那在一片股灾之下我们看到它的股价上涨了15%那不过呢在这个时候我们要投入文创内容预算的这件事情上可能就要比以往更加谨慎更讲究策略次长的同意吗\n\n02:19.238 --> 02:35.167\n是好那這個第一季的營收也成長了12.5%那麼淨利成長了也約大概24%這表現是不錯的那預計它整年的營收也一樣會持續所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝了100億作為裁員委託文策院來持續的往上成長所以它的這個執行長這個Peters說\n\n02:45.575 --> 02:58.036\n娛樂產業在歷來經濟較為艱困的時期都表現出相當的韌性喔那不過呢在這個時候我們要投入文創內容預算的這件事情上可能就要比以往更加謹慎更講究策略次長同意嗎\n\n03:01.650 --> 03:22.136\n那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有宰民是股份有限所以我想文化部為了要強化我國文創產業內容的製作力在100年起由國發基金預祝100億作為裁員委託文策院來執行公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n\n03:23.936 --> 03:30.479\n它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好針對文化內容產業沒有錯所以執行國發基金那這個文化內容投資的一個計畫這當中包含事業體的投資那投資的對象有指明是\n\n03:39.702 --> 04:02.151\n股份有限我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主好但是我們來看到文策院投資案的公司請問一下什麼樣的事業體可以獲得這個投資\n\n04:03.953 --> 04:27.051\n它基本上就是還是要針對文化內容產業好針對文化內容產業沒有錯所以當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是准入文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院供我們依照文化部辦理投資文化創意產業事業及專案作業要點那也就是說我們投資範疇跟對象\n\n04:28.192 --> 04:56.284\n是要有助於促進我國文化創意產業生態的發展相關的事業跟專案也就您剛剛說的很好要以文化內容為主但是我們來看到文策院投資案同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館餐廳會議辦理跟這個營酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容那\n\n04:57.765 --> 05:19.116\n而且本席進步的來調查這個當中本席發現有一間叫做黃金稻埕股份有限公司它是準陸文化股份有限公司在111年的1月5號找文策院共同來投資並且得到了4400萬的投資款可是根據資料來顯示這個黃金稻埕它主要的營業項目是餐館黃金稻埕在104年\n\n05:22.718 --> 05:45.363\n在104人力銀行招募的九項職權禮我看到有七項都是在招募這個餐飲人才餐廳會議辦理跟這個飲酒店那這好像沒有符合剛才次長您所說的文化內容而且本席進一步的來調查這個工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個弗蘭許咖啡\n\n05:46.663 --> 06:15.402\n福萊許咖啡館還有這個發琴吧酒黃金稻埕在104人力銀行招募的9項職權禮我看到有7項都是在招募這個餐飲人才鹹健這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的工作內容做什麼呢就是在位於迪化街有一個福萊許咖啡\n\n06:16.704 --> 06:26.840\n福萊許咖啡館還有這個發情罷酒發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎謝謝\n\n06:28.953 --> 06:51.912\n委員好跟委員做說明因為黃金道人這個案子它是以這個文化策展為吸引的訴求啦它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的這個跟一般餐廳是不一樣的我爸賢健喔這家公司恐怕根本就是在做餐飲為主經營咖啡吧跟酒吧喔那這是要怎麼樣去協助文創產業的它是用文化元素在做\n\n06:52.312 --> 07:07.309\n那個我想一樣次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就發展喔這個能不能說明一下委員不好意思因為這個投資案是文策院在經營我可以請文策院做書嗎可以謝謝\n\n07:09.019 --> 07:30.278\n委員好跟委員說覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要我覺得是有落差那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料自己顯示說明因為黃金造成這個案子它是以文化策展為吸引的訴求它的變現管道當然是餐飲但它主要的跟一般餐廳是不一樣的\n\n07:30.538 --> 07:59.493\n它的業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資案其實社長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那它這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是它的這個投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以\n\n08:00.033 --> 08:29.105\n他還是用文化元素在做來那個我想一樣次長喔那剛剛我們有講到他說因為他是當中有文化策展那他當然還是以這個經營餐飲為主喔所以這個我就這樣當然啦就是說他在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展喔那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更覺得跟我們剛剛所說的要以文化內容為主要喔我覺得是有落差喔那我們再來看根據共同投資發的准入公司資料\n\n08:29.545 --> 08:55.897\n自己顯示它多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀口上補助要補助對地方那這個本席一開始有說到這業務其實就是包含了Flash咖啡館那甚至於這兩家就是黃金稻埕跟這個準路公司其實同一個負責人這樣的投資也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎\n\n08:57.057 --> 09:12.089\n那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創案其實次長您覺得合理嗎跟委員報告因為我們的投資其實還是有一定的標準就是我們的錢才會進場那他這裡看起來變現是餐飲但是他的這個\n\n09:13.510 --> 09:40.335\n投資在文化內容上可能指的是策展那基本上它還是要符合我們的標準如果沒有符合我們的標準我們還是可以在這個地方或者是這個文化內容是占少數的我覺得我們是要去多想一下那另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個宣華股份有限公司的這個投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資宣華公司也獲得文策院這樣\n\n09:41.315 --> 10:08.072\n當然就是說它在眾多的營業項目當中主要全部都是餐飲類那有一項可能是這個策展那如果這樣就符合我們是在想說會不會有更三千萬的這個資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在這個我們的資金這個進入之後113年絕多其實是更適合的我想這個由你去再去回頭檢視一下因為我們希望這個錢要花在刀火上補助要補助對地方\n\n10:08.832 --> 10:30.332\n那這個本席開始有說到一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎也是您所說的現在投資這個文創這個內容當然是非常的重要但是也要謹慎那何況如果說這個投資的內容當中對於文創\n\n10:31.814 --> 10:54.474\n文化部後來知道那文化部後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個不法有沒有銀行或者是這個文化內容是在少數的我覺得我們是要去多\n\n10:56.334 --> 11:14.859\n另外還有一件投資案本席看到也有一些問題就是一個軒華股份有限公司的投資案110年這個場域國際創投找了文策院共同投資軒華公司也獲得文策院的作為文策院應該有機制我還是請文策院做說明\n\n11:15.933 --> 11:28.630\n跟委員報告因為第一個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以我們當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的\n\n11:31.213 --> 11:49.936\n3千萬的資金挹注但是我們看到共同投資方這個場域國際卻在我們的資金進入之後113年捲入了一個銷售垃圾幣的一個詐騙案據媒體的報導我看到也嚇一跳不罰所得恐怕高達22億文化部後來知道這件事嗎\n\n11:51.277 --> 12:03.983\n那個次長剛文策院回答是說我們投資之後它才發生的嘛但我們來看一看投資之前它發生什麼那這個投資對象這個雄華公司在文策院110年投資之前也就是108年就爆出了這個負責人利用職權性騷擾旗下的無雙樂壇文化部後來知道那文化部如果後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方\n\n12:19.411 --> 12:44.482\n那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個步伐有沒有英女團圓那這個有性騷擾前科的這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素其實考量進去那包括這個相關內部的文化或相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n\n12:49.141 --> 12:54.961\n各位報告我們都有做嚴謹的作為文哲元應該有機制我還是請文哲元做說明\n\n12:56.038 --> 13:24.234\n跟委員報告因為第一個這個我們當初這個場域國際是投資方共同投資方我們不是把錢給場域國際這第一個第二個當初他在申請我們共投的時候他還沒有發生這件事情所以當初盡職調查都沒有任何法律的盡職調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴或別的那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議\n\n13:25.495 --> 13:52.205\n但是是争议还是事实我们没有去因为我们主要是看司法有没有判决那个次长刚文策院回答是说我们投资之后它才发生的但我们来看一看投资之前它发生什么那这个投资对象这个匈牙公司在文策院110年投资之前也就是108年就爆出了这个负责人利用职权性骚扰旗下的无双月台这件事情所以我们还是依贵判断\n\n13:52.785 --> 14:16.536\n所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是跟文女團圓喔那這個有性騷擾前科這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素喔其實考量進去喔那包括這個那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人這部分\n\n14:17.720 --> 14:24.955\n跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的這一個相關內部的文化或是相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎\n\n14:29.278 --> 14:55.791\n跟委員報告我們都有做嚴謹的基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的禁止調查所以在這個申請案之前我們都有查詢這個司法院的判決所以當時你知道他有涉及這個權勢性性騷嗎他沒有被司法爭議沒有任何司法的判決或提起這個公訴那所以是有還是沒有這個性騷當時只是有這樣的一個爭議但是是爭議還是事實\n\n14:58.012 --> 15:07.796\n我們沒有去因為我們主要是看司法有沒有判決但是我必須要提醒啦如果他們沒有走到司法的部分去喔那但是呢可能說雙方是和解還是沒有這樣的事情喔我個人認為喔我建議啊建議次長啦就是說我們今天在投資的時候您剛剛也有說針對文化內容時間暫停\n\n15:22.222 --> 15:30.129\n好所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是根本主席時間可以暫停一下嗎我剛還有幾秒鐘\n\n15:38.771 --> 15:54.545\n對好社長我想今天本席把它提出來是希望按照您剛剛所說的我們所有的投資要針對對文化內容這是主體第二個對我們文化的產業有幫助所以今天提出這兩個案子我是希望你們能夠回頭去釐清\n\n15:56.266 --> 16:03.890\n不管是他們有沒有這個相關這個涉及這個詐騙的案件啦或者涉及性騷啦那或者是說這個投資方他們是根本跟這個文化關係不大的啦其實我覺得就是我們回頭去檢討今天並不是說你投資這兩個我們指責說這是完全不對的事情但是有非常多的點是值得去檢討的地方所以今天本席把它提出來是希望我們要回頭去檢討\n\n16:21.300 --> 16:35.760\n那剛剛你所說的像這樣的性騷或許你說對啊他們沒有走到這個司法但是我們要不要去看看有沒有實際上有沒有這樣的事情那如果有那我們要不要去做考量那如果沒有那我覺得就可以大大方方在這裡去說所以我想本席今天在這裡齁\n\n16:36.561 --> 17:00.008\n我還是認為這麼多的事情不希望是我們眾多投資當中冰山的一角因為我們文策院也好文化部也好本來是一番好意可是我們文化部跟文策院能夠盡速地來檢討我們現行的投審機制同時將這個共同方也要納入審查的範圍一個月之內跟本席一個書面的答覆這可以做得到嗎\n\n17:00.848 --> 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剛文策院回答是說我們投資之後它才發生的嘛但我們來看一看 投資之前它發生什麼那這個投資對象 這個雄華公司在文策院110年投資之前也就是108年就爆出了這個負責人利用職權性騷擾旗下的無雙樂壇文化部後來知道那文化部如果後來知道的話你有沒有針對這個可能捲入詐騙案的共同投資方"},{"start":739.411,"end":764.482,"text":"那回頭去了解看看那文策院有沒有可能也在被騙的當中那同時文化部跟文策院針對這個共同投資方後來涉及這麼大的一個步伐有沒有英女團圓那這個有性騷擾前科的這個公司當時我們在投資的時候有沒有把這樣的因素其實考量進去那包括這個相關內部的文化或相關的風評或者影響這一點我們當時有考量嗎"},{"start":769.141,"end":774.961,"text":"各位報告 我們都有做嚴謹的作為文哲元應該有機制 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我建議啊建議次長啦就是說我們今天在投資的時候您剛剛也有說針對文化內容時間暫停"},{"start":922.222,"end":930.129,"text":"好所以呢如果他們和解了沒有司法判決你就認為這個性騷不值得我們再去檢討是這樣嗎當然不是根本主席時間可以暫停一下嗎我剛還有幾秒鐘"},{"start":938.771,"end":954.545,"text":"對好 社長我想今天本席把它提出來是希望按照您剛剛所說的我們所有的投資要針對對文化內容這是主體第二個對我們文化的產業有幫助所以今天提出這兩個案子我是希望你們能夠回頭去釐清"},{"start":956.266,"end":963.89,"text":"不管是他們有沒有這個相關這個涉及這個詐騙的案件啦或者涉及性騷啦那或者是說這個投資方他們是根本跟這個文化關係不大的啦其實我覺得就是我們回頭去檢討今天並不是說你投資這兩個我們指責說這是完全不對的事情但是有非常多的點是值得去檢討的地方所以今天本席把它提出來是希望我們要回頭去檢討"},{"start":981.3,"end":995.76,"text":"那剛剛你所說的像這樣的性騷或許你說對啊他們沒有走到這個司法但是我們要不要去看看有沒有實際上有沒有這樣的事情那如果有那我們要不要去做考量那如果沒有那我覺得就可以大大方方在這裡去說所以我想本席今天在這裡齁"},{"start":996.561,"end":1020.008,"text":"我還是認為這麼多的事情不希望是我們眾多投資當中冰山的一角因為我們文策院也好文化部也好本來是一番好意可是我們文化部跟文策院能夠盡速地來檢討我們現行的投審機制同時將這個共同方也要納入審查的範圍一個月之內跟本席一個書面的答覆這可以做得到嗎"},{"start":1020.848,"end":1032.508,"text":"跟委員說明大概幾件事第一個 針對委員今天提出來的去做檢視 這個我們做得到那所以事實上是有這個事實嗎這個 我們沒有辦法去釐清當事人的這部分"},{"start":1033.676,"end":1053.446,"text":"跟委員說明顯然就是因為在之前文策院的第二個我剛剛是要跟委員澄清說過去的標準的確只用司法那接下來我們可以在當事人的部分進行比較多的蒐集我們很難做事實的認定因為沒有司法的情況下我們沒有辦法在這裡回答說這是真的還是假的"},{"start":1054.026,"end":1066.71,"text":"市長我能理解我都能理解我想我能理解你要說的你應該也能理解我今天質詢的用意所以我們希望就是更嚴謹那把我們的預算上能夠更大化的幫助我們文化產業這樣好不好那但是拜託我們還是要"},{"start":1069.591,"end":1073.834,"text":"一個月內我們還是把一個書面的報告給我好不好我想針對這兩家在一個月內是可以那其他的部分我們再看我們基礎投資的檢視投資的檢視是針對法定程序的標準所以包括像司法的檢視我想次長我能理解您現在跟這個文策院要說的但是我必須要提"},{"start":1088.306,"end":1088.886,"text":"好 謝謝萬本玲委員 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否有積極協助的機制，去讓這個要點讓民間周知，鼓勵民間提報？以及是否將對民間有任何設置具轉型正義意涵場址的協助？","我認為其實許多民間轉型正義相關的社團都很重視這個議題，當然這也是本席長期關心的項目，所以我很樂見文化部以這個作業要點作為轉型正義往前推進的一步。只是具體而言，會想知道這個人權館將在這個要點的架構下如何協助民間？還有，就是想跟文化部了解，如果認定這個場址，會公告在哪裡？比照不義遺址設專區，會上網嗎？以上，謝謝。"],["王次長時思：謝謝委員。這個案子我們很樂見啦！只有一個小小的建議，就是能不能讓我們時間比較久一點，讓我們3個月內再提書面報告？原因是因為這個辦法我們希望就實際的輔導案例一邊做，一邊把那個方式整理起來。這樣子的話，不但公布了，而且就會有實際的案例出現。","另外就是委員所說公布的事情，我們會把它跟不義遺址的網頁公布在一起，我們會增加一個新的項目，叫做具有轉型正義的人權場址。"],["主席：OK，謝謝。還有沒有其他委員有其他問題？如果沒有的話，這個案子就把1個月改成3個月，那我們就修正通過。","第二個案子是范雲委員所提。范雲委員有沒有要補充說明？"],["范委員雲：我補充一下。就像我剛剛質詢所講的，希望文化部能夠具體來規劃。剛剛國會聯絡人有講說「規劃」是不是能夠改成「評估規劃」？我是覺得OK，那這樣子時間可能就不要到6個月，就是縮短一些好不好？看文化部覺得怎麼樣？"],["王次長時思：可以，如果是針對設置的評估規劃，我們可以縮短期間，3個月。跟委員說明，主要是因為委員後面提到這些建設期程、面積、設施，它其實會牽涉到比較像是建設的先期計畫，那我們比較沒有辦法。但我們可以把譬如說國際怎麼做的案例做一個整理，然後做一個評估。這樣可以嗎？"],["范委員雲：好。我這邊特別口頭提醒，就是以我自己辦公室研究的丹麥性別博物館可能會是一個最好的例子。"],["王次長時思：好，了解，我們會把它……"],["范委員雲：它好像是屬於他們的文化部，因為它英文寫Agency of Culture，我想這部分你們可以再了解。"],["王次長時思：好，謝謝。"],["主席：所以在字句上……"],["王次長時思：會變成是，最後「爰臨時提案，請文化部於三個月內，提出國家級婦女與性別人權館之設置評估規劃。」"],["主席：「之設置評估規劃」。然後後面還是一樣嗎？"],["王次長時思：沒有。"],["主席：後面都沒有了？OK。"],["王次長時思：謝謝。"],["主席：還有，我是不是建議，就是直接「爰提案」就好，就不用加「臨時」了？「爰提案，請文化部於三個月內……」這樣？"],["范委員雲：好。"],["主席：OK。然後就是「提出國家級婦女與性別人權館之設置評估規劃。」OK，那就這樣。","有沒有其他委員有任何問題？如果沒有，那我們第二案也是修正通過。","如果各提案有其他委員想要補簽，它在我的左手邊，請各位來補簽。","接下來繼續質詢。我們請陳培瑜委員回娘家質詢，時間4分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":440,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-8","speakers":["林宜瑾","柯志恩","陳秀寳","劉書彬","羅廷瑋","葛如鈞","葉元之","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","張雅琳","林沛祥","范雲","萬美玲","陳培瑜","陳冠廷","何欣純","蔡易餘","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":381,"meetingDate":["2025-04-23"],"gazette_id":"1144202","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1144202_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請文化部次長王時思列席就「樂為世界人─臺灣文化發展與國際能見度之突破及挑戰」進行專\n題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1144202_00002"}}}