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--> 00:03:17,827\n那這個第十二條之五第十二條之六呢是到明年的一月七號還有呢明年的十二月三十一號到期那我想說那與其每次到了這一個時間快到然後我們就來修一次時間快到修一次那所以我才會提案修正說那我們是不是就比照這個復康八字延到一百一十八年十二月三十一號那當然不同的委員有提出不同的看法那我請問一下那現在行政院的因為現在還沒有行政院版本嘛那行政院的態度咧\n\n9\n00:03:18,707 --> 00:03:31,021\n我們現在行政院出你的方案就是我們財政部出你的方案跟經濟部會商的結果原則上我們是讓那個114年這個到期的時間延長到兩年半也就是到116年的12月31號\n\n10\n00:03:33,544 --> 00:03:47,674\n也兩年半就是這個6月14號要表期的然後就是讓行政院再試整個這個經濟的狀況就是推動政策的成效我們再讓行政院自己來研議看是不是延長一次可以再延長兩年結果也是到118年的12月31號\n\n11\n00:03:50,802 --> 00:04:18,020\n那明年還要到期的12條之五、12條之六咧?這個部分因為現在目前時間還沒到但是我們已經去洽了主管機關經濟部的意見包含汽機車太舊幻音這部分那原則上我們在下半年就會提出我們的修正方案那委員的建議也許我們可以參考一下看看到時候要延長一下如果真的有延長的必要的話看是不是可以參考委員的建議來做調整\n\n12\n00:04:20,261 --> 00:04:39,247\n如果說願版出來只有處理到第十一條之一的那等到明年的我們還要再修一次就對了因為它是剛好不同的條文就是因為不同的條文可是不同的年限那變成說貨物稅變成好像幾乎每年要修正一次就對了\n\n13\n00:04:40,147 --> 00:04:56,736\n當然委員這個建議其實委員今天這個建議很好就是讓我們這些有關配合政策調整的貨物稅的相關條文都能夠有一個一致的到期期間那這個方向其實我們也可以往這個方向來演繹我覺得你們去想一下啦那不然就是每次到了\n\n14\n00:04:57,256 --> 00:05:24,841\n期限要到了那現在6月14號要到了人家4月份修這件事然後明年的今年又要再修一次因為是明年1月7號嘛等於是今年年底又要再修一次啊12條之5對啊然後呢明年的要再修一次我是希望說這個貨物稅這個如果只是這個年限的問題的話沒有必要這樣每年這樣子修啦當然有一些有一些我們可以來談那那個我再問一下現在就是說我們這個貨物稅\n\n15\n00:05:26,641 --> 00:05:43,112\n這一個有關這個節能家電的貨物稅我們現在是這一個退稅是退兩千嘛對不對那我問一下經濟部好了經濟部這一個節能補助是節能家電好像是每台三千嘛每台三千嘛\n\n16\n00:05:43,652 --> 00:05:52,835\n那不過呢這個經濟部這個節能的補助本來是今年編的68億然後預計台灣207萬台但是因為預算被在野黨凍結20%補助縮減到147萬台有50萬戶失去受惠的機會目前的凍結預算是這樣子嗎目前凍結的文字是這樣\n\n17\n00:06:10,354 --> 00:06:23,856\n試算出來但是我們努力來朝解凍的方向來爭取經濟部的這個解凍解能補助的這個解凍是要怎麼解凍他原來的那個提案是說有一些核能的研議的\n\n18\n00:06:25,315 --> 00:06:51,708\n經費跟規劃要提出一個報告啦這跟核能有什麼關係是委員的指教對那所以咧你們要提出報告就對了是要委員會同意還是要經過大院那個月會同意我的印象中不好意思這個是另外一個的大概是要經過那個委員會要同意對那如果說這個沒有解凍的話只能補助到10月就對差不多估量是到10月會結束\n\n19\n00:06:52,168 --> 00:07:18,333\n我是覺得莫名其妙啦這節能減碳跟核能這個有什麼關係那所以就是說現在行政院也希望說那如果這個這一檔有這個要求那我們能做的就拿出來做那其實我也是覺得這早知如始何必當初啊當初不用動那麼多不用刪那麼多的話現在就急著說這個立法院這個各個部會你們怎麼趕快不這個這個凍結案趕快拿出來解凍這個\n\n20\n00:07:19,973 --> 00:07:29,464\n這個如果當初沒有這樣子做這個刪除活動計劃其實今天沒有這些問題啦那我再請教一下那個謝謝那請教一下那個市長這其實跟經濟部有關係啦因為齁\n\n21\n00:07:33,415 --> 00:07:57,431\n現在包含這個貨物稅的方面我看一下經濟部的回應其實經濟部的回應還有包含這個人民請願案他們都是希望說做這個調降的方式來做這個處理譬如說第11條條文的修正草案這個有委員提出來就是說把這個白色家電、黑色家電現在課徵的費率是在13%到20%不等\n\n22\n00:07:59,392 --> 00:08:22,787\n然後呢經濟部也認為說這些電器類的貨物是屬於一般民生必需品非奢侈品或高污染的產品適度調降稅率有助於降低家電的製造成本然後呢對於台灣消費者服務品質的強化競爭力等等這是經濟部的一個回應嘛那我請教一下這個財政部好了\n\n23\n00:08:24,168 --> 00:08:44,934\n這個有關這個貨物稅因為今天當然沒有做條文的這個討論我們做個方向但是我發現就很多的這個委員他們認為說你過去所制定的這個貨物稅那些種類其實你要與時俱進當初有當初課貨物稅的一些歷史的淵源但是到了現在\n\n24\n00:08:45,894 --> 00:08:58,791\n二零二五年了是不是那些那些貨品那些產品還要繼續在課這些貨物稅是不是請這個次長做個說明我想這個委員的指教我們都非常了解了好那但是就像以這個電器類為例的話因為我們\n\n25\n00:09:01,474 --> 00:09:26,423\n如果今天直接把這些電器商品的那個貨物稅取消的話當然對廠商來講他是實際的獲益者但是我們也考量就是說消費者也會獲益喔消費者不一定獲益消費者他基本上不一定他降價的利益會回饋給消費者這個我們可以要求啊就是說你如果降了貨物稅的話你是不是這一個在貨品上面我們要做這一個降價這我們可以要求啊\n\n26\n00:09:28,404 --> 00:09:42,922\n報告委員其實這樣加這個要求因為畢竟是一個消費自由市場經濟自由市場的經濟雖然我們也許可以提出這樣一個請求但是它是沒有法律上的意義在政策上的誘因一定是可以做這樣處理的\n\n27\n00:09:44,244 --> 00:10:08,686\n因為我們目前其實我們十一條之一用這種節能退稅的方式其實對鼓勵消費者真的去太舊換新去使用高效率的節能家電是非常有誘因的而且是民眾可以看得到的他知道說我今天去買一個冷氣機買一個電冰箱我就可以獲得有五千塊錢的兩千塊錢的退稅三千塊錢的補助他實際上可以拿到這個利益對於消費者來講會比較有這個實質的誘因\n\n28\n00:10:11,428 --> 00:10:24,464\n所以你說這個補助會比調價貨物稅消費者他更能夠感受到說啊我有這一個便宜這個東西有便宜的嗎現在不是要透過廠商降價但是這個是不是一定會回饋消費者其實我們是沒有把握的\n\n29\n00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:49,949\n還有有關汽車貨物稅因為目前關稅在談判我也同意現在就先不談當作財政部去談判的籌碼但是貨物稅也是有關於汽車貨物稅調降也是一樣我是希望說雖然今天沒有討論這些事情但是財政部必須要有心理準備因為我看經濟部經濟部當然是比較站在消費者\n\n30\n00:10:51,890 --> 00:11:10,996\n我當然也有站在這個廠商為了產業發展的這個角度來講但是財政部要記得就是說有一些貨物稅過去的嚴格到現在你必須要做一些調整要與時俱進不然我自己看到我就覺得說你說像那個飲料你說因為影響到健康說我要課你貨物稅\n\n31\n00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:34,200\n那大家舉例啊那手搖飲咧手搖飲有沒有影響到我們的健康也有啊但是自由市場自由選擇啊你也沒有扣大家的稅啊這些等等我覺得你們必須要有一套更清楚的一套梳鐵出來啦不然我們自己覺得說有些你不做調整也很難說得過去啦好不好謝謝主席謝謝市長謝謝林坤城委員接著我們請嚴寬藤委員\n\n32\n00:11:44,298 --> 00:11:44,500\n謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t2630\t雖然最近有這些 遇到一些關稅的風風雨雨看起來好像負面消息比較多但是呢 我昨天看到一個國際貨幣基金IF它上調了台灣的經濟成長率\n24239\t52390\t他本來預估這個台灣經濟成長率呢去年是估啦是估是今年是2.7%但是呢上調到2.9%那遠勝日本、韓國、香港跟新加坡然後呢我們的這個消費者物價的年增率1.8%遠低於全球的4.3%那請教一下次長這為什麼就是說大家認為說關稅會受到影響經濟成長受到影響那結果呢IMF上調了台灣的這個經濟成長率\n54789\t76304\t我覺得主要還是因為我們目前的那個就是整個產製還有出口的狀況都是維持一個穩定的狀況而且如果以我們三月份的出口統計甚至四月份的預測的話其實都是會往上調升也是高於以往的紀錄可能是因為這樣一個趨勢到目前為止還是呈現這樣的狀態那你們有救過這個經濟成長率的預估嗎\n82442\t106673\t主計總署有做過這樣的預估他預估我們今年的經濟成長率是3.14%3.14%那當然就是我們也問過啦就是說經濟成長可能會受到關稅的影響啦但是影響會多大還不太清楚還不確定那只是說因為這個IF它上調了台灣經濟成長率啦那其實也表示說台灣的政府目前的政策方向應該是還算是正確的啦是往正確的方向走的\n107366\t122993\t好 那今天本來是要談貨物稅的修改那包含本席在內有許多的我原同仁都提出了貨物稅的修改那本席是提到貨物稅條例的第十一條之一第十二條之五 第十二條之六的條文修正草案\n123593\t152071\t那最主要都是要比照這個第12條這個我們鼓勵購置新的復康巴士等車輛的期限然後呢也一併延長購買節能電器與汽機車、老舊大型車、太舊換新、減增貨物稅這些措施呢到了118年12月31號我是一律調因為我們是在去年的12月11月29號才三途通過這個貨物稅條例嘛我剛才講的是這個復康巴士\n152731\t167851\t再延五年嘛那我就在想說那其實我們有很多的這個後稅條例相關的期限那有的是到比如說這個節電加電後稅是到今年的六月十四就到期\n168792\t197827\t那這個第十二條之五 第十二條之六呢是到明年的一月七號還有呢 明年的十二月三十一號到期那我想說 那與其每次到了這一個時間快到然後我們就來修一次 時間快到修一次那所以我才會提案修正說那我們是不是就比照這個復康八字延到一百一十八年十二月三十一號那當然不同的委員有提出不同的看法那我請問一下 那現在行政院的因為現在還沒有行政院版本嘛那行政院的態度咧\n198707\t211021\t我們現在行政院出你的方案就是我們財政部出你的方案跟經濟部會商的結果原則上我們是讓那個114年這個到期的時間延長到兩年半也就是到116年的12月31號\n213544\t227674\t也兩年半就是這個6月14號要表期的然後就是讓行政院再試整個這個經濟的狀況就是推動政策的成效我們再讓行政院自己來研議看是不是延長一次可以再延長兩年結果也是到118年的12月31號\n230802\t258020\t那明年還要到期的12條之五、12條之六咧?這個部分因為現在目前時間還沒到但是我們已經去洽了主管機關經濟部的意見包含汽機車太舊幻音這部分那原則上我們在下半年就會提出我們的修正方案那委員的建議也許我們可以參考一下看看到時候要延長一下如果真的有延長的必要的話看是不是可以參考委員的建議來做調整\n260261\t279247\t如果說願版出來只有處理到第十一條之一的那等到明年的我們還要再修一次就對了因為它是剛好不同的條文就是因為不同的條文可是不同的年限那變成說貨物稅變成好像幾乎每年要修正一次就對了\n280147\t296736\t當然委員這個建議其實委員今天這個建議很好就是讓我們這些有關配合政策調整的貨物稅的相關條文都能夠有一個一致的到期期間那這個方向其實我們也可以往這個方向來演繹我覺得你們去想一下啦那不然就是每次到了\n297256\t324841\t期限要到了那現在6月14號要到了人家4月份修這件事然後明年的今年又要再修一次因為是明年1月7號嘛等於是今年年底又要再修一次啊12條之5對啊然後呢明年的要再修一次我是希望說這個貨物稅這個如果只是這個年限的問題的話沒有必要這樣每年這樣子修啦當然有一些有一些我們可以來談那那個我再問一下現在就是說我們這個貨物稅\n326641\t343112\t這一個有關這個節能家電的貨物稅我們現在是這一個退稅是退兩千嘛對不對那我問一下經濟部好了經濟部這一個節能補助是節能家電好像是每台三千嘛每台三千嘛\n343652\t352835\t那不過呢 這個經濟部這個節能的補助本來是今年編的68億然後預計台灣207萬台但是因為預算被在野黨凍結20%補助縮減到147萬台有50萬戶失去受惠的機會目前的凍結預算是這樣子嗎目前凍結的文字是這樣\n370354\t383856\t試算出來但是我們努力來朝解凍的方向來爭取經濟部的這個解凍解能補助的這個解凍是要怎麼解凍他原來的那個提案是說有一些核能的研議的\n385315\t411708\t經費跟規劃要提出一個報告啦這跟核能有什麼關係是委員的指教 對那所以咧 你們要提出報告就對了是要委員會同意還是要經過大院那個月會同意我的印象中 不好意思 這個是另外一個的大概是要經過那個委員會要同意 對那如果說這個沒有解凍的話只能補助到10月就對 差不多估量是到10月會結束\n412168\t438333\t我是覺得莫名其妙啦 這節能減碳跟核能這個有什麼關係那所以就是說現在行政院也希望說那如果這個 這一檔有這個要求那我們能做的就拿出來做那其實我也是覺得 這早知如始何必當初啊當初不用動那麼多 不用刪那麼多的話現在就急著說這個立法院這個各個部會你們怎麼趕快不這個這個凍結案趕快拿出來解凍 這個\n439973\t449464\t這個如果當初沒有這樣子做這個刪除活動計劃其實今天沒有這些問題啦那我再請教一下 那個 謝謝那請教一下那個市長這其實跟經濟部有關係啦因為齁\n453415\t477431\t現在包含這個貨物稅的方面我看一下經濟部的回應其實經濟部的回應還有包含這個人民請願案他們都是希望說做這個調降的方式來做這個處理譬如說第11條條文的修正草案這個有委員提出來就是說把這個白色家電、黑色家電現在課徵的費率是在13%到20%不等\n479392\t502787\t然後呢經濟部也認為說這些電器類的貨物是屬於一般民生必需品非奢侈品或高污染的產品適度調降稅率有助於降低家電的製造成本然後呢對於台灣消費者服務品質的強化競爭力等等這是經濟部的一個回應嘛那我請教一下這個財政部好了\n504168\t524934\t這個有關這個貨物稅因為今天當然沒有做條文的這個討論我們做個方向但是我發現就很多的這個委員他們認為說你過去所制定的這個貨物稅那些種類其實你要與時俱進當初有當初課貨物稅的一些歷史的淵源但是到了現在\n525894\t538791\t二零二五年了是不是那些那些貨品那些產品還要繼續在課這些貨物稅是不是請這個次長做個說明我想這個委員的指教我們都非常了解了好那但是就像以這個電器類為例的話因為我們\n541474\t566423\t如果今天直接把這些電器商品的那個貨物稅取消的話當然對廠商來講他是實際的獲益者但是我們也考量就是說消費者也會獲益喔消費者不一定獲益消費者他基本上不一定他降價的利益會回饋給消費者這個我們可以要求啊就是說你如果降了貨物稅的話你是不是這一個在貨品上面我們要做這一個降價這我們可以要求啊\n568404\t582922\t報告委員 其實這樣加這個要求因為畢竟是一個消費自由市場經濟自由市場的經濟雖然我們也許可以提出這樣一個請求但是它是沒有法律上的意義在政策上的誘因一定是可以做這樣處理的\n584244\t608686\t因為我們目前其實我們十一條之一用這種節能退稅的方式其實對鼓勵消費者真的去太舊換新去使用高效率的節能家電是非常有誘因的而且是民眾可以看得到的他知道說我今天去買一個冷氣機買一個電冰箱我就可以獲得有五千塊錢的兩千塊錢的退稅三千塊錢的補助他實際上可以拿到這個利益對於消費者來講會比較有這個實質的誘因\n611428\t624464\t所以你說這個補助會比調價貨物稅消費者他更能夠感受到說啊我有這一個便宜這個東西有便宜的嗎現在不是要透過廠商降價但是這個是不是一定會回饋消費者其實我們是沒有把握的\n625880\t649949\t還有有關汽車貨物稅因為目前關稅在談判我也同意現在就先不談當作財政部去談判的籌碼但是貨物稅也是有關於汽車貨物稅調降也是一樣我是希望說雖然今天沒有討論這些事情但是財政部必須要有心理準備因為我看經濟部經濟部當然是比較站在消費者\n651890\t670996\t我當然也有站在這個廠商為了產業發展的這個角度來講但是財政部要記得就是說有一些貨物稅過去的嚴格到現在你必須要做一些調整要與時俱進不然我自己看到我就覺得說你說像那個飲料你說因為影響到健康說我要課你貨物稅\n673360\t694200\t那大家舉例啊 那手搖飲咧手搖飲有沒有影響到我們的健康 也有啊但是自由市場 自由選擇啊你也沒有扣大家的稅啊這些等等我覺得你們必須要有一套更清楚的一套梳鐵出來啦不然我們自己覺得說有些你不做調整也很難說得過去啦 好不好謝謝主席 謝謝市長謝謝林坤城委員 接著我們請嚴寬藤委員\n704298\t704500\t謝謝主席\n","txt":"雖然最近有這些 遇到一些關稅的風風雨雨看起來好像負面消息比較多但是呢 我昨天看到一個國際貨幣基金IF它上調了台灣的經濟成長率\n他本來預估這個台灣經濟成長率呢去年是估啦是估是今年是2.7%但是呢上調到2.9%那遠勝日本、韓國、香港跟新加坡然後呢我們的這個消費者物價的年增率1.8%遠低於全球的4.3%那請教一下次長這為什麼就是說大家認為說關稅會受到影響經濟成長受到影響那結果呢IMF上調了台灣的這個經濟成長率\n我覺得主要還是因為我們目前的那個就是整個產製還有出口的狀況都是維持一個穩定的狀況而且如果以我們三月份的出口統計甚至四月份的預測的話其實都是會往上調升也是高於以往的紀錄可能是因為這樣一個趨勢到目前為止還是呈現這樣的狀態那你們有救過這個經濟成長率的預估嗎\n主計總署有做過這樣的預估他預估我們今年的經濟成長率是3.14%3.14%那當然就是我們也問過啦就是說經濟成長可能會受到關稅的影響啦但是影響會多大還不太清楚還不確定那只是說因為這個IF它上調了台灣經濟成長率啦那其實也表示說台灣的政府目前的政策方向應該是還算是正確的啦是往正確的方向走的\n好 那今天本來是要談貨物稅的修改那包含本席在內有許多的我原同仁都提出了貨物稅的修改那本席是提到貨物稅條例的第十一條之一第十二條之五 第十二條之六的條文修正草案\n那最主要都是要比照這個第12條這個我們鼓勵購置新的復康巴士等車輛的期限然後呢也一併延長購買節能電器與汽機車、老舊大型車、太舊換新、減增貨物稅這些措施呢到了118年12月31號我是一律調因為我們是在去年的12月11月29號才三途通過這個貨物稅條例嘛我剛才講的是這個復康巴士\n再延五年嘛那我就在想說那其實我們有很多的這個後稅條例相關的期限那有的是到比如說這個節電加電後稅是到今年的六月十四就到期\n那這個第十二條之五 第十二條之六呢是到明年的一月七號還有呢 明年的十二月三十一號到期那我想說 那與其每次到了這一個時間快到然後我們就來修一次 時間快到修一次那所以我才會提案修正說那我們是不是就比照這個復康八字延到一百一十八年十二月三十一號那當然不同的委員有提出不同的看法那我請問一下 那現在行政院的因為現在還沒有行政院版本嘛那行政院的態度咧\n我們現在行政院出你的方案就是我們財政部出你的方案跟經濟部會商的結果原則上我們是讓那個114年這個到期的時間延長到兩年半也就是到116年的12月31號\n也兩年半就是這個6月14號要表期的然後就是讓行政院再試整個這個經濟的狀況就是推動政策的成效我們再讓行政院自己來研議看是不是延長一次可以再延長兩年結果也是到118年的12月31號\n那明年還要到期的12條之五、12條之六咧?這個部分因為現在目前時間還沒到但是我們已經去洽了主管機關經濟部的意見包含汽機車太舊幻音這部分那原則上我們在下半年就會提出我們的修正方案那委員的建議也許我們可以參考一下看看到時候要延長一下如果真的有延長的必要的話看是不是可以參考委員的建議來做調整\n如果說願版出來只有處理到第十一條之一的那等到明年的我們還要再修一次就對了因為它是剛好不同的條文就是因為不同的條文可是不同的年限那變成說貨物稅變成好像幾乎每年要修正一次就對了\n當然委員這個建議其實委員今天這個建議很好就是讓我們這些有關配合政策調整的貨物稅的相關條文都能夠有一個一致的到期期間那這個方向其實我們也可以往這個方向來演繹我覺得你們去想一下啦那不然就是每次到了\n期限要到了那現在6月14號要到了人家4月份修這件事然後明年的今年又要再修一次因為是明年1月7號嘛等於是今年年底又要再修一次啊12條之5對啊然後呢明年的要再修一次我是希望說這個貨物稅這個如果只是這個年限的問題的話沒有必要這樣每年這樣子修啦當然有一些有一些我們可以來談那那個我再問一下現在就是說我們這個貨物稅\n這一個有關這個節能家電的貨物稅我們現在是這一個退稅是退兩千嘛對不對那我問一下經濟部好了經濟部這一個節能補助是節能家電好像是每台三千嘛每台三千嘛\n那不過呢 這個經濟部這個節能的補助本來是今年編的68億然後預計台灣207萬台但是因為預算被在野黨凍結20%補助縮減到147萬台有50萬戶失去受惠的機會目前的凍結預算是這樣子嗎目前凍結的文字是這樣\n試算出來但是我們努力來朝解凍的方向來爭取經濟部的這個解凍解能補助的這個解凍是要怎麼解凍他原來的那個提案是說有一些核能的研議的\n經費跟規劃要提出一個報告啦這跟核能有什麼關係是委員的指教 對那所以咧 你們要提出報告就對了是要委員會同意還是要經過大院那個月會同意我的印象中 不好意思 這個是另外一個的大概是要經過那個委員會要同意 對那如果說這個沒有解凍的話只能補助到10月就對 差不多估量是到10月會結束\n我是覺得莫名其妙啦 這節能減碳跟核能這個有什麼關係那所以就是說現在行政院也希望說那如果這個 這一檔有這個要求那我們能做的就拿出來做那其實我也是覺得 這早知如始何必當初啊當初不用動那麼多 不用刪那麼多的話現在就急著說這個立法院這個各個部會你們怎麼趕快不這個這個凍結案趕快拿出來解凍 這個\n這個如果當初沒有這樣子做這個刪除活動計劃其實今天沒有這些問題啦那我再請教一下 那個 謝謝那請教一下那個市長這其實跟經濟部有關係啦因為齁\n現在包含這個貨物稅的方面我看一下經濟部的回應其實經濟部的回應還有包含這個人民請願案他們都是希望說做這個調降的方式來做這個處理譬如說第11條條文的修正草案這個有委員提出來就是說把這個白色家電、黑色家電現在課徵的費率是在13%到20%不等\n然後呢經濟部也認為說這些電器類的貨物是屬於一般民生必需品非奢侈品或高污染的產品適度調降稅率有助於降低家電的製造成本然後呢對於台灣消費者服務品質的強化競爭力等等這是經濟部的一個回應嘛那我請教一下這個財政部好了\n這個有關這個貨物稅因為今天當然沒有做條文的這個討論我們做個方向但是我發現就很多的這個委員他們認為說你過去所制定的這個貨物稅那些種類其實你要與時俱進當初有當初課貨物稅的一些歷史的淵源但是到了現在\n二零二五年了是不是那些那些貨品那些產品還要繼續在課這些貨物稅是不是請這個次長做個說明我想這個委員的指教我們都非常了解了好那但是就像以這個電器類為例的話因為我們\n如果今天直接把這些電器商品的那個貨物稅取消的話當然對廠商來講他是實際的獲益者但是我們也考量就是說消費者也會獲益喔消費者不一定獲益消費者他基本上不一定他降價的利益會回饋給消費者這個我們可以要求啊就是說你如果降了貨物稅的話你是不是這一個在貨品上面我們要做這一個降價這我們可以要求啊\n報告委員 其實這樣加這個要求因為畢竟是一個消費自由市場經濟自由市場的經濟雖然我們也許可以提出這樣一個請求但是它是沒有法律上的意義在政策上的誘因一定是可以做這樣處理的\n因為我們目前其實我們十一條之一用這種節能退稅的方式其實對鼓勵消費者真的去太舊換新去使用高效率的節能家電是非常有誘因的而且是民眾可以看得到的他知道說我今天去買一個冷氣機買一個電冰箱我就可以獲得有五千塊錢的兩千塊錢的退稅三千塊錢的補助他實際上可以拿到這個利益對於消費者來講會比較有這個實質的誘因\n所以你說這個補助會比調價貨物稅消費者他更能夠感受到說啊我有這一個便宜這個東西有便宜的嗎現在不是要透過廠商降價但是這個是不是一定會回饋消費者其實我們是沒有把握的\n還有有關汽車貨物稅因為目前關稅在談判我也同意現在就先不談當作財政部去談判的籌碼但是貨物稅也是有關於汽車貨物稅調降也是一樣我是希望說雖然今天沒有討論這些事情但是財政部必須要有心理準備因為我看經濟部經濟部當然是比較站在消費者\n我當然也有站在這個廠商為了產業發展的這個角度來講但是財政部要記得就是說有一些貨物稅過去的嚴格到現在你必須要做一些調整要與時俱進不然我自己看到我就覺得說你說像那個飲料你說因為影響到健康說我要課你貨物稅\n那大家舉例啊 那手搖飲咧手搖飲有沒有影響到我們的健康 也有啊但是自由市場 自由選擇啊你也沒有扣大家的稅啊這些等等我覺得你們必須要有一套更清楚的一套梳鐵出來啦不然我們自己覺得說有些你不做調整也很難說得過去啦 好不好謝謝主席 謝謝市長謝謝林坤城委員 接著我們請嚴寬藤委員\n謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:02.630\n雖然最近有這些遇到一些關稅的風風雨雨看起來好像負面消息比較多但是呢我昨天看到一個國際貨幣基金IF它上調了台灣的經濟成長率\n\n00:24.239 --> 00:52.390\n他本來預估這個台灣經濟成長率呢去年是估啦是估是今年是2.7%但是呢上調到2.9%那遠勝日本、韓國、香港跟新加坡然後呢我們的這個消費者物價的年增率1.8%遠低於全球的4.3%那請教一下次長這為什麼就是說大家認為說關稅會受到影響經濟成長受到影響那結果呢IMF上調了台灣的這個經濟成長率\n\n00:54.789 --> 01:16.304\n我覺得主要還是因為我們目前的那個就是整個產製還有出口的狀況都是維持一個穩定的狀況而且如果以我們三月份的出口統計甚至四月份的預測的話其實都是會往上調升也是高於以往的紀錄可能是因為這樣一個趨勢到目前為止還是呈現這樣的狀態那你們有救過這個經濟成長率的預估嗎\n\n01:22.442 --> 01:46.673\n主計總署有做過這樣的預估他預估我們今年的經濟成長率是3.14%3.14%那當然就是我們也問過啦就是說經濟成長可能會受到關稅的影響啦但是影響會多大還不太清楚還不確定那只是說因為這個IF它上調了台灣經濟成長率啦那其實也表示說台灣的政府目前的政策方向應該是還算是正確的啦是往正確的方向走的\n\n01:47.366 --> 02:02.993\n好那今天本來是要談貨物稅的修改那包含本席在內有許多的我原同仁都提出了貨物稅的修改那本席是提到貨物稅條例的第十一條之一第十二條之五第十二條之六的條文修正草案\n\n02:03.593 --> 02:32.071\n那最主要都是要比照這個第12條這個我們鼓勵購置新的復康巴士等車輛的期限然後呢也一併延長購買節能電器與汽機車、老舊大型車、太舊換新、減增貨物稅這些措施呢到了118年12月31號我是一律調因為我們是在去年的12月11月29號才三途通過這個貨物稅條例嘛我剛才講的是這個復康巴士\n\n02:32.731 --> 02:47.851\n再延五年嘛那我就在想說那其實我們有很多的這個後稅條例相關的期限那有的是到比如說這個節電加電後稅是到今年的六月十四就到期\n\n02:48.792 --> 03:17.827\n那這個第十二條之五第十二條之六呢是到明年的一月七號還有呢明年的十二月三十一號到期那我想說那與其每次到了這一個時間快到然後我們就來修一次時間快到修一次那所以我才會提案修正說那我們是不是就比照這個復康八字延到一百一十八年十二月三十一號那當然不同的委員有提出不同的看法那我請問一下那現在行政院的因為現在還沒有行政院版本嘛那行政院的態度咧\n\n03:18.707 --> 03:31.021\n我們現在行政院出你的方案就是我們財政部出你的方案跟經濟部會商的結果原則上我們是讓那個114年這個到期的時間延長到兩年半也就是到116年的12月31號\n\n03:33.544 --> 03:47.674\n也兩年半就是這個6月14號要表期的然後就是讓行政院再試整個這個經濟的狀況就是推動政策的成效我們再讓行政院自己來研議看是不是延長一次可以再延長兩年結果也是到118年的12月31號\n\n03:50.802 --> 04:18.020\n那明年還要到期的12條之五、12條之六咧?這個部分因為現在目前時間還沒到但是我們已經去洽了主管機關經濟部的意見包含汽機車太舊幻音這部分那原則上我們在下半年就會提出我們的修正方案那委員的建議也許我們可以參考一下看看到時候要延長一下如果真的有延長的必要的話看是不是可以參考委員的建議來做調整\n\n04:20.261 --> 04:39.247\n如果說願版出來只有處理到第十一條之一的那等到明年的我們還要再修一次就對了因為它是剛好不同的條文就是因為不同的條文可是不同的年限那變成說貨物稅變成好像幾乎每年要修正一次就對了\n\n04:40.147 --> 04:56.736\n當然委員這個建議其實委員今天這個建議很好就是讓我們這些有關配合政策調整的貨物稅的相關條文都能夠有一個一致的到期期間那這個方向其實我們也可以往這個方向來演繹我覺得你們去想一下啦那不然就是每次到了\n\n04:57.256 --> 05:24.841\n期限要到了那現在6月14號要到了人家4月份修這件事然後明年的今年又要再修一次因為是明年1月7號嘛等於是今年年底又要再修一次啊12條之5對啊然後呢明年的要再修一次我是希望說這個貨物稅這個如果只是這個年限的問題的話沒有必要這樣每年這樣子修啦當然有一些有一些我們可以來談那那個我再問一下現在就是說我們這個貨物稅\n\n05:26.641 --> 05:43.112\n這一個有關這個節能家電的貨物稅我們現在是這一個退稅是退兩千嘛對不對那我問一下經濟部好了經濟部這一個節能補助是節能家電好像是每台三千嘛每台三千嘛\n\n05:43.652 --> 05:52.835\n那不過呢這個經濟部這個節能的補助本來是今年編的68億然後預計台灣207萬台但是因為預算被在野黨凍結20%補助縮減到147萬台有50萬戶失去受惠的機會目前的凍結預算是這樣子嗎目前凍結的文字是這樣\n\n06:10.354 --> 06:23.856\n試算出來但是我們努力來朝解凍的方向來爭取經濟部的這個解凍解能補助的這個解凍是要怎麼解凍他原來的那個提案是說有一些核能的研議的\n\n06:25.315 --> 06:51.708\n經費跟規劃要提出一個報告啦這跟核能有什麼關係是委員的指教對那所以咧你們要提出報告就對了是要委員會同意還是要經過大院那個月會同意我的印象中不好意思這個是另外一個的大概是要經過那個委員會要同意對那如果說這個沒有解凍的話只能補助到10月就對差不多估量是到10月會結束\n\n06:52.168 --> 07:18.333\n我是覺得莫名其妙啦這節能減碳跟核能這個有什麼關係那所以就是說現在行政院也希望說那如果這個這一檔有這個要求那我們能做的就拿出來做那其實我也是覺得這早知如始何必當初啊當初不用動那麼多不用刪那麼多的話現在就急著說這個立法院這個各個部會你們怎麼趕快不這個這個凍結案趕快拿出來解凍這個\n\n07:19.973 --> 07:29.464\n這個如果當初沒有這樣子做這個刪除活動計劃其實今天沒有這些問題啦那我再請教一下那個謝謝那請教一下那個市長這其實跟經濟部有關係啦因為齁\n\n07:33.415 --> 07:57.431\n現在包含這個貨物稅的方面我看一下經濟部的回應其實經濟部的回應還有包含這個人民請願案他們都是希望說做這個調降的方式來做這個處理譬如說第11條條文的修正草案這個有委員提出來就是說把這個白色家電、黑色家電現在課徵的費率是在13%到20%不等\n\n07:59.392 --> 08:22.787\n然後呢經濟部也認為說這些電器類的貨物是屬於一般民生必需品非奢侈品或高污染的產品適度調降稅率有助於降低家電的製造成本然後呢對於台灣消費者服務品質的強化競爭力等等這是經濟部的一個回應嘛那我請教一下這個財政部好了\n\n08:24.168 --> 08:44.934\n這個有關這個貨物稅因為今天當然沒有做條文的這個討論我們做個方向但是我發現就很多的這個委員他們認為說你過去所制定的這個貨物稅那些種類其實你要與時俱進當初有當初課貨物稅的一些歷史的淵源但是到了現在\n\n08:45.894 --> 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