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00:02:17,263\n酒類產製還有進口引進市場競爭機制國內的酒品就自由競爭市場我們金門的金酒公司也因為這樣和進口酒一樣要負擔高額的菸酒稅和營業稅等當時只有少量的蒸餾酒和進口的古類酒關稅維持40%是考慮說可能會影響國內的國產的酒類和政府庫存米的銷售這個是那時候的背景\n\n7\n00:02:33,697 --> 00:02:55,048\n到了2019年的時候那調降進口酒的關稅背景是說為了創造有利五國參加CPTPP那經過通盤的政策檢討以後就以這個國產量少沒有明顯替代關係稅率高於其他酒類的古類釀酒就調降就是說比如說將日本的清酒由40%調降到20%這個是這個關稅背景那111年的時候我們財政部也提出古類酒\n\n8\n00:03:00,971 --> 00:03:27,933\n進口關稅稅率調降實施成效當時的結論說調降雖然三年了但是可能受COVID-19影響了因素成本國外因素成本增加所以事實上降稅後谷類酒的進口值和進口量佔這個國內整體的酒品數量只有微幅的這個成長好我講了這麼多這個背景的這個說明想要跟您請教在上次的實施成效報告之後有沒有再次提出新的成效報告有沒有\n\n9\n00:03:31,563 --> 00:03:43,798\n目前是沒有,就是上次提出來的那面對美國可能在提出對股類酒已經有提出來了關稅稅率的關切是不是這個部分又會被拿來當談判的籌碼\n\n10\n00:03:47,068 --> 00:04:14,803\n目前就我們所知我們就是財政部的立場就是把我們相關的這個就是進口的量還有進口課稅的稅率提供給這個行政院經貿談判辦公室那你們呢當然他們是談判啦沒錯那你們有沒有提出相關的說對美國可能你覺得美國有可能在拿這個來當那個嘛有嘛對不對古類酒這個關稅的這個稅率嘛他意思是說我們的米酒太\n\n11\n00:04:16,223 --> 00:04:36,799\n他的重點大概就是剛才委員有提到的就是我們對於那個就是蒸餾酒的課稅跟那個國內那個料理米酒的稅率之間的差異所以我們呢我們對這個我們有沒有做出相關的評估報告還有對國內的酒品市場影響有沒有做出影響的評估報告因為這個到時候談判出來對\n\n12\n00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:55,602\n但是我們是有提出來提供給經貿談判辦公室有做出對國內酒品市場的影響評估報告有嗎是有相關的報告那這個請你提供不過委員這部分目前還不能提供給委員我們目前就是作為談判的\n\n13\n00:04:56,363 --> 00:04:57,024\n貿易逆差歸零影響評估\n\n14\n00:05:16,803 --> 00:05:38,320\n石破默就說川普要求貿易逆差要縮減到零對日本提出很多要求但這次他們在國會上強調日本首相說日本不會對美國一味的讓步有強硬的立場假設美國也要求我們對他的貿易逆差也要歸零我們的財政衝擊影響哪些面向\n\n15\n00:05:40,304 --> 00:06:07,713\n我覺得這個部分其實我們不管是我們的院長或者是我們總統其實都有對外宣示宣示怎樣跪下來嗎就是我們這個談判過程一定是站在對我們國民利益國家利益最大的這個利益的立場就是投資嘛幾千億啊投資幾千億然後從零開始談啊然後買東西啊買他的天然氣啊最差只剩下第五步沒有做就是美國財政部要求直接捐錢給美國財政部啊\n\n16\n00:06:08,753 --> 00:06:34,691\n對不對他要求五樣東西嘛因為談判過程當然有不同的策略啦有不同的策略啦不同的策略喔那我們財政部站在我們財政部的這個立場會不會財政部立場就是提供相關的資訊給經貿談判辦公室會不會堅持就是對國內產業包括經濟部市長也有來嘛會不會對我們產業比較有利的會堅持嗎當然我們已經在在維護我們國家還有人民最大的利益的立場來做談判但美國美國強勢要求咧\n\n17\n00:06:36,887 --> 00:06:59,843\n基本上我們應該也是往這個方向來努力我知道你也沒有辦法決定我只是看一下世界各國是怎麼做包括墨西哥今天的做法也不一樣了接著我們來看一下大家一直討論的今天也是很重要就是汽機車廢物所以調降的部分我們已經說過很多次了之前交通委員會有相關的專案報告財政部說配合什麼政策\n\n18\n00:07:00,843 --> 00:07:04,264\n免徵貨稅電動就免徵了這個已經講過很多次我也提出來很多修法也問過很多次你們給我的報告裡頭也說要跟主管機關就是經濟部審慎的評估你們財政部給我報告裡頭說不宜調降貨物稅棄機車尤其機車是年輕族群可能比較一般\n\n19\n00:07:24,589 --> 00:07:46,463\n初步的這個代步的車子你們說不宜調降是因為已經免增了實質減輕負擔我們的消費稅和其他國家沒有比較高沒有要列入整體的這個稅制考量我們來看一下我們的稅較於其他國家貨幣稅真的沒有偏高嗎我做一個比較表您看一下喔這個齁我們這個機車的部分我們是17%嘛中國八路3%10%新加坡12%印度3%韓國5%\n\n20\n00:07:53,547 --> 00:08:17,475\n沒有比較高嗎這個表格各位委員報告因為我們事實上因為提供了其他的那個相關產業政策的其他的太舊換新啊還有就是我知道我知道但是就是現在機車就是有17%的小貨物稅嘛沒有比較高嗎沒有因為你們給我的答案說不能降稅的原因是因為沒有比其他國高啊太舊換新是部分的車子嘛不是全部的車子嘛電動的那個\n\n21\n00:08:21,136 --> 00:08:31,382\n好來看汽車的部分我們汽車15%、25%、30%比哪一國低啊?韓國5%、印度1%到22%我們30%、新加坡20%還有我們的消費稅所以這個應該貨物稅要通盤檢討大家已經講了又講了尤其在這一次美國跟我們要做關稅貿易談判的這部分面對對等貿易談判的關稅談判的壓力\n\n22\n00:08:49,611 --> 00:09:05,563\n他們一定會提出這一點尤其美國在乎這個汽車嘛美國製的這個汽車所以這個東西是不是要找出根據我們的這個採化法你說如果我們要降稅啦如果我們要降稅要找替代人員嘛採化法有規定嘛38條之一嘛採化法有規定如果立法院修正要減稅貨物稅要減\n\n23\n00:09:07,364 --> 00:09:29,655\n那就要有相關規定我們立法院提出來你們都不支持嘛一箱都不減稅但是如果美國提出來的話說這個稅一定要降美國棄稅要進來不能不公平待遇關稅什麼對等逆差要歸零的話你們可能就會做好那我要跟你們提醒如果你們要做的時候我看經濟部是報告也是有支持要調整嘛那財政部的部分經濟部你有支持嘛對不對\n\n24\n00:09:30,675 --> 00:09:34,297\n支持機車的貨物稅或汽機車的產業的部分收集到產業界的意見他認為說若是能合理的反映貨物稅對於整個產業的發展\n\n25\n00:09:47,062 --> 00:10:06,585\n是正面的嘛這不就跟謝謝市長就跟那個正交稅一樣嗎所以你調降三變1.5但是事實上成交量還變高啊所以整體的話稅收不一定會變少啦那如果說稅收變少你們要提出相關的替代人員在跟美國談判以後面對美國這個談判的壓力你們提出來你們要提出相對的這個人的這個\n\n26\n00:10:07,806 --> 00:10:24,157\n這個替代財源喔這個一樣喔不是說美國說要降就可以降我們立法委員這邊講了一百遍都沒有辦法降半毛錢喔然後我也建議啦面對這個談判的壓力啦對我們影響比較小就可以先釋出善意這個也是個正面的喔可以影響比如說從\n\n27\n00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:38,293\n關稅跟貨物稅跟這個進口車跟國產車關稅可能會有差別所以我們可以從貨物稅著手啦簡單的從這個貨物稅機車啦汽車貨物稅調降著手也可以真正的這個造福民眾啦市長財政部這樣有聽到嗎\n\n28\n00:10:42,018 --> 00:10:55,656\n謝謝委員指導一定要慎重列入考慮我們也是往這方向在提供談判的參考要造福百姓不是只有屈服於美國的壓力當百姓一直在講的時候立法委員不管跟黨派講這麼多是你們都當作沒有聽到謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7708\t26610\t市長,我國第一個經貿談判辦公室的總代表楊珍妮有說美國認為造成貨品貿易逆差的因素包括了關稅的稅率差距對美商收取不公平歧視性的國內稅款如加值稅、數位服務稅等對美國產品採取非關稅貿易\n28012\t45478\t障礙 還有匯率超總 將這些因素量化以後他就對各國制定一個單一的這個對等關稅的稅率用一個貿易順差逆差 用他們一個特別的標準就列出了對我們的關稅稅率很高啦那美國的這個貿易代表署USDR3月31號也發佈了2025年各國貿易評估報告評估59個貿易夥伴的這個\n53100\t74775\t貿易協議的情形還有貿易的這個壁壘在裡頭關於台灣的部分有六頁跟去年篇幅一樣那一樣是關切台灣對稻米基因改造作物的非關稅壁壘然後提出對美牛美豬美製汽車的技術性壁壘還有制裁權的保護金融業雲端服務外包規範健保署政策透明的這個\n77616\t102703\t在這裡頭我本席關注的是其中有一段有提到在稅務政策方面雖然烹飪用米酒能當作酒精飲料飲用但是在台灣對於烹飪用的米酒課真的稅率低於能做飲料飲用的酒精產品美國繼續向台灣當局表示關切要求採取措施確保進口酒類飲料的稅率不高於國產\n103863\t126395\t酒類飲料進口飲料的稅率不高於國產酒類飲料包括人可以作為酒精飲料的這個噴霧用的這個米酒那這個調降進口酒的這個關稅背景我大概說明一下因應貿易的自由國際化我國自76年開始開放外國啤酒和烈酒酒品進口那從91年我們正式加入WTO以後廢除菸酒專賣制度開放國內的\n129677\t137263\t酒類產製還有進口引進市場競爭機制國內的酒品就自由競爭市場我們金門的金酒公司也因為這樣和進口酒一樣要負擔高額的菸酒稅和營業稅等當時只有少量的蒸餾酒和進口的古類酒關稅維持40%是考慮說可能會影響國內的國產的酒類和政府庫存米的銷售這個是那時候的背景\n153697\t175048\t到了2019年的時候那調降進口酒的關稅背景是說為了創造有利五國參加CPTPP那經過通盤的政策檢討以後就以這個國產量少沒有明顯替代關係稅率高於其他酒類的古類釀酒就調降就是說比如說將日本的清酒由40%調降到20%這個是這個關稅背景那111年的時候我們財政部也提出古類酒\n180971\t207933\t進口關稅稅率調降實施成效當時的結論說調降雖然三年了但是可能受COVID-19影響了因素成本國外因素成本增加所以事實上降稅後谷類酒的進口值和進口量佔這個國內整體的酒品數量只有微幅的這個成長好我講了這麼多這個背景的這個說明想要跟您請教在上次的實施成效報告之後有沒有再次提出新的成效報告有沒有\n211563\t223798\t目前是沒有,就是上次提出來的那面對美國可能在提出對股類酒已經有提出來了關稅稅率的關切是不是這個部分又會被拿來當談判的籌碼\n227068\t254803\t目前就我們所知我們就是財政部的立場就是把我們相關的這個就是進口的量還有進口課稅的稅率提供給這個行政院經貿談判辦公室那你們呢 當然他們是談判啦 沒錯那你們有沒有提出相關的說對美國可能 你覺得美國有可能在拿這個來當那個嘛 有嘛 對不對古類酒這個關稅的這個稅率嘛他意思是說我們的米酒太\n256223\t276799\t他的重點大概就是剛才委員有提到的就是我們對於那個就是蒸餾酒的課稅跟那個國內那個料理米酒的稅率之間的差異所以我們呢我們對這個我們有沒有做出相關的評估報告還有對國內的酒品市場影響有沒有做出影響的評估報告因為這個到時候談判出來對\n277800\t295602\t但是我們是有提出來提供給經貿談判辦公室有做出對國內酒品市場的影響評估報告有嗎是有相關的報告那這個請你提供不過委員這部分目前還不能提供給委員我們目前就是作為談判的\n296363\t297024\t貿易逆差歸零影響評估\n316803\t338320\t石破默就說 川普要求貿易逆差要縮減到零對日本提出很多要求但這次他們在國會上強調日本首相說日本不會對美國一味的讓步有強硬的立場假設美國也要求我們對他的貿易逆差也要歸零我們的財政衝擊影響哪些面向\n340304\t367713\t我覺得這個部分其實我們不管是我們的院長或者是我們總統其實都有對外宣示宣示怎樣 跪下來嗎就是我們這個談判過程一定是站在對我們國民利益國家利益最大的這個利益的立場就是投資嘛 幾千億啊投資幾千億然後從零開始談啊然後買東西啊 買他的天然氣啊最差只剩下第五步沒有做就是美國財政部要求直接捐錢給美國財政部啊\n368753\t394691\t對不對 他要求五樣東西嘛因為談判過程當然有不同的策略啦有不同的策略啦不同的策略喔那我們財政部站在我們財政部的這個立場會不會財政部立場就是提供相關的資訊給經貿談判辦公室會不會堅持就是對國內產業包括經濟部市長也有來嘛會不會對我們產業比較有利的會堅持嗎當然我們已經在在維護我們國家還有人民最大的利益的立場來做談判但美國 美國強勢要求咧\n396887\t419843\t基本上我們應該也是往這個方向來努力我知道你也沒有辦法決定我只是看一下世界各國是怎麼做包括墨西哥今天的做法也不一樣了接著我們來看一下大家一直討論的今天也是很重要就是汽機車廢物所以調降的部分我們已經說過很多次了之前交通委員會有相關的專案報告財政部說配合什麼政策\n420843\t424264\t免徵貨稅 電動就免徵了這個已經講過很多次我也提出來很多修法也問過很多次你們給我的報告裡頭也說要跟主管機關就是經濟部審慎的評估你們財政部給我報告裡頭說不宜調降貨物稅 棄機車尤其機車是年輕族群可能比較一般\n444589\t466463\t初步的這個代步的車子你們說不宜調降是因為已經免增了實質減輕負擔我們的消費稅和其他國家沒有比較高沒有要列入整體的這個稅制考量我們來看一下我們的稅較於其他國家貨幣稅真的沒有偏高嗎我做一個比較表您看一下喔這個齁我們這個機車的部分我們是17%嘛中國八路3% 10%新加坡12%印度3% 韓國5%\n473547\t497475\t沒有比較高嗎這個表格各位委員報告因為我們事實上因為提供了其他的那個相關產業政策的其他的太舊換新啊還有就是我知道我知道但是就是現在機車就是有17%的小貨物稅嘛沒有比較高嗎沒有因為你們給我的答案說不能降稅的原因是因為沒有比其他國高啊太舊換新是部分的車子嘛不是全部的車子嘛電動的那個\n501136\t511382\t好來看汽車的部分我們汽車15%、25%、30%比哪一國低啊?韓國5%、印度1%到22%我們30%、新加坡20%還有我們的消費稅所以這個應該貨物稅要通盤檢討大家已經講了又講了尤其在這一次美國跟我們要做關稅貿易談判的這部分面對對等貿易談判的關稅談判的壓力\n529611\t545563\t他們一定會提出這一點尤其美國在乎這個汽車嘛美國製的這個汽車所以這個東西是不是要找出根據我們的這個採化法你說如果我們要降稅啦如果我們要降稅要找替代人員嘛採化法有規定嘛38條之一嘛採化法有規定如果立法院修正要減稅 貨物稅要減\n547364\t569655\t那就要有相關規定我們立法院提出來你們都不支持嘛一箱都不減稅但是如果美國提出來的話說這個稅一定要降美國棄稅要進來不能不公平待遇關稅什麼對等逆差要歸零的話你們可能就會做好那我要跟你們提醒如果你們要做的時候我看經濟部是報告也是有支持要調整嘛那財政部的部分經濟部你有支持嘛對不對\n570675\t574297\t支持機車的貨物稅或汽機車的產業的部分收集到產業界的意見他認為說若是能合理的反映貨物稅對於整個產業的發展\n587062\t606585\t是正面的嘛這不就跟謝謝市長就跟那個正交稅一樣嗎所以你調降三變1.5但是事實上成交量還變高啊所以整體的話稅收不一定會變少啦那如果說稅收變少你們要提出相關的替代人員在跟美國談判以後面對美國這個談判的壓力你們提出來你們要提出相對的這個人的這個\n607806\t624157\t這個替代財源喔這個一樣喔不是說美國說要降就可以降我們立法委員這邊講了一百遍都沒有辦法降半毛錢喔然後我也建議啦面對這個談判的壓力啦對我們影響比較小就可以先釋出善意這個也是個正面的喔可以影響比如說從\n625919\t638293\t關稅跟貨物稅跟這個進口車跟國產車關稅可能會有差別所以我們可以從貨物稅著手啦簡單的從這個貨物稅機車啦汽車貨物稅調降著手也可以真正的這個造福民眾啦市長財政部這樣有聽到嗎\n642018\t655656\t謝謝委員指導一定要慎重列入考慮我們也是往這方向在提供談判的參考要造福百姓不是只有屈服於美國的壓力當百姓一直在講的時候立法委員不管跟黨派講這麼多是你們都當作沒有聽到謝謝委員\n","txt":"市長,我國第一個經貿談判辦公室的總代表楊珍妮有說美國認為造成貨品貿易逆差的因素包括了關稅的稅率差距對美商收取不公平歧視性的國內稅款如加值稅、數位服務稅等對美國產品採取非關稅貿易\n障礙 還有匯率超總 將這些因素量化以後他就對各國制定一個單一的這個對等關稅的稅率用一個貿易順差逆差 用他們一個特別的標準就列出了對我們的關稅稅率很高啦那美國的這個貿易代表署USDR3月31號也發佈了2025年各國貿易評估報告評估59個貿易夥伴的這個\n貿易協議的情形還有貿易的這個壁壘在裡頭關於台灣的部分有六頁跟去年篇幅一樣那一樣是關切台灣對稻米基因改造作物的非關稅壁壘然後提出對美牛美豬美製汽車的技術性壁壘還有制裁權的保護金融業雲端服務外包規範健保署政策透明的這個\n在這裡頭我本席關注的是其中有一段有提到在稅務政策方面雖然烹飪用米酒能當作酒精飲料飲用但是在台灣對於烹飪用的米酒課真的稅率低於能做飲料飲用的酒精產品美國繼續向台灣當局表示關切要求採取措施確保進口酒類飲料的稅率不高於國產\n酒類飲料進口飲料的稅率不高於國產酒類飲料包括人可以作為酒精飲料的這個噴霧用的這個米酒那這個調降進口酒的這個關稅背景我大概說明一下因應貿易的自由國際化我國自76年開始開放外國啤酒和烈酒酒品進口那從91年我們正式加入WTO以後廢除菸酒專賣制度開放國內的\n酒類產製還有進口引進市場競爭機制國內的酒品就自由競爭市場我們金門的金酒公司也因為這樣和進口酒一樣要負擔高額的菸酒稅和營業稅等當時只有少量的蒸餾酒和進口的古類酒關稅維持40%是考慮說可能會影響國內的國產的酒類和政府庫存米的銷售這個是那時候的背景\n到了2019年的時候那調降進口酒的關稅背景是說為了創造有利五國參加CPTPP那經過通盤的政策檢討以後就以這個國產量少沒有明顯替代關係稅率高於其他酒類的古類釀酒就調降就是說比如說將日本的清酒由40%調降到20%這個是這個關稅背景那111年的時候我們財政部也提出古類酒\n進口關稅稅率調降實施成效當時的結論說調降雖然三年了但是可能受COVID-19影響了因素成本國外因素成本增加所以事實上降稅後谷類酒的進口值和進口量佔這個國內整體的酒品數量只有微幅的這個成長好我講了這麼多這個背景的這個說明想要跟您請教在上次的實施成效報告之後有沒有再次提出新的成效報告有沒有\n目前是沒有,就是上次提出來的那面對美國可能在提出對股類酒已經有提出來了關稅稅率的關切是不是這個部分又會被拿來當談判的籌碼\n目前就我們所知我們就是財政部的立場就是把我們相關的這個就是進口的量還有進口課稅的稅率提供給這個行政院經貿談判辦公室那你們呢 當然他們是談判啦 沒錯那你們有沒有提出相關的說對美國可能 你覺得美國有可能在拿這個來當那個嘛 有嘛 對不對古類酒這個關稅的這個稅率嘛他意思是說我們的米酒太\n他的重點大概就是剛才委員有提到的就是我們對於那個就是蒸餾酒的課稅跟那個國內那個料理米酒的稅率之間的差異所以我們呢我們對這個我們有沒有做出相關的評估報告還有對國內的酒品市場影響有沒有做出影響的評估報告因為這個到時候談判出來對\n但是我們是有提出來提供給經貿談判辦公室有做出對國內酒品市場的影響評估報告有嗎是有相關的報告那這個請你提供不過委員這部分目前還不能提供給委員我們目前就是作為談判的\n貿易逆差歸零影響評估\n石破默就說 川普要求貿易逆差要縮減到零對日本提出很多要求但這次他們在國會上強調日本首相說日本不會對美國一味的讓步有強硬的立場假設美國也要求我們對他的貿易逆差也要歸零我們的財政衝擊影響哪些面向\n我覺得這個部分其實我們不管是我們的院長或者是我們總統其實都有對外宣示宣示怎樣 跪下來嗎就是我們這個談判過程一定是站在對我們國民利益國家利益最大的這個利益的立場就是投資嘛 幾千億啊投資幾千億然後從零開始談啊然後買東西啊 買他的天然氣啊最差只剩下第五步沒有做就是美國財政部要求直接捐錢給美國財政部啊\n對不對 他要求五樣東西嘛因為談判過程當然有不同的策略啦有不同的策略啦不同的策略喔那我們財政部站在我們財政部的這個立場會不會財政部立場就是提供相關的資訊給經貿談判辦公室會不會堅持就是對國內產業包括經濟部市長也有來嘛會不會對我們產業比較有利的會堅持嗎當然我們已經在在維護我們國家還有人民最大的利益的立場來做談判但美國 美國強勢要求咧\n基本上我們應該也是往這個方向來努力我知道你也沒有辦法決定我只是看一下世界各國是怎麼做包括墨西哥今天的做法也不一樣了接著我們來看一下大家一直討論的今天也是很重要就是汽機車廢物所以調降的部分我們已經說過很多次了之前交通委員會有相關的專案報告財政部說配合什麼政策\n免徵貨稅 電動就免徵了這個已經講過很多次我也提出來很多修法也問過很多次你們給我的報告裡頭也說要跟主管機關就是經濟部審慎的評估你們財政部給我報告裡頭說不宜調降貨物稅 棄機車尤其機車是年輕族群可能比較一般\n初步的這個代步的車子你們說不宜調降是因為已經免增了實質減輕負擔我們的消費稅和其他國家沒有比較高沒有要列入整體的這個稅制考量我們來看一下我們的稅較於其他國家貨幣稅真的沒有偏高嗎我做一個比較表您看一下喔這個齁我們這個機車的部分我們是17%嘛中國八路3% 10%新加坡12%印度3% 韓國5%\n沒有比較高嗎這個表格各位委員報告因為我們事實上因為提供了其他的那個相關產業政策的其他的太舊換新啊還有就是我知道我知道但是就是現在機車就是有17%的小貨物稅嘛沒有比較高嗎沒有因為你們給我的答案說不能降稅的原因是因為沒有比其他國高啊太舊換新是部分的車子嘛不是全部的車子嘛電動的那個\n好來看汽車的部分我們汽車15%、25%、30%比哪一國低啊?韓國5%、印度1%到22%我們30%、新加坡20%還有我們的消費稅所以這個應該貨物稅要通盤檢討大家已經講了又講了尤其在這一次美國跟我們要做關稅貿易談判的這部分面對對等貿易談判的關稅談判的壓力\n他們一定會提出這一點尤其美國在乎這個汽車嘛美國製的這個汽車所以這個東西是不是要找出根據我們的這個採化法你說如果我們要降稅啦如果我們要降稅要找替代人員嘛採化法有規定嘛38條之一嘛採化法有規定如果立法院修正要減稅 貨物稅要減\n那就要有相關規定我們立法院提出來你們都不支持嘛一箱都不減稅但是如果美國提出來的話說這個稅一定要降美國棄稅要進來不能不公平待遇關稅什麼對等逆差要歸零的話你們可能就會做好那我要跟你們提醒如果你們要做的時候我看經濟部是報告也是有支持要調整嘛那財政部的部分經濟部你有支持嘛對不對\n支持機車的貨物稅或汽機車的產業的部分收集到產業界的意見他認為說若是能合理的反映貨物稅對於整個產業的發展\n是正面的嘛這不就跟謝謝市長就跟那個正交稅一樣嗎所以你調降三變1.5但是事實上成交量還變高啊所以整體的話稅收不一定會變少啦那如果說稅收變少你們要提出相關的替代人員在跟美國談判以後面對美國這個談判的壓力你們提出來你們要提出相對的這個人的這個\n這個替代財源喔這個一樣喔不是說美國說要降就可以降我們立法委員這邊講了一百遍都沒有辦法降半毛錢喔然後我也建議啦面對這個談判的壓力啦對我們影響比較小就可以先釋出善意這個也是個正面的喔可以影響比如說從\n關稅跟貨物稅跟這個進口車跟國產車關稅可能會有差別所以我們可以從貨物稅著手啦簡單的從這個貨物稅機車啦汽車貨物稅調降著手也可以真正的這個造福民眾啦市長財政部這樣有聽到嗎\n謝謝委員指導一定要慎重列入考慮我們也是往這方向在提供談判的參考要造福百姓不是只有屈服於美國的壓力當百姓一直在講的時候立法委員不管跟黨派講這麼多是你們都當作沒有聽到謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.708 --> 00:26.610\n市長,我國第一個經貿談判辦公室的總代表楊珍妮有說美國認為造成貨品貿易逆差的因素包括了關稅的稅率差距對美商收取不公平歧視性的國內稅款如加值稅、數位服務稅等對美國產品採取非關稅貿易\n\n00:28.012 --> 00:45.478\n障礙還有匯率超總將這些因素量化以後他就對各國制定一個單一的這個對等關稅的稅率用一個貿易順差逆差用他們一個特別的標準就列出了對我們的關稅稅率很高啦那美國的這個貿易代表署USDR3月31號也發佈了2025年各國貿易評估報告評估59個貿易夥伴的這個\n\n00:53.100 --> 01:14.775\n貿易協議的情形還有貿易的這個壁壘在裡頭關於台灣的部分有六頁跟去年篇幅一樣那一樣是關切台灣對稻米基因改造作物的非關稅壁壘然後提出對美牛美豬美製汽車的技術性壁壘還有制裁權的保護金融業雲端服務外包規範健保署政策透明的這個\n\n01:17.616 --> 01:42.703\n在這裡頭我本席關注的是其中有一段有提到在稅務政策方面雖然烹飪用米酒能當作酒精飲料飲用但是在台灣對於烹飪用的米酒課真的稅率低於能做飲料飲用的酒精產品美國繼續向台灣當局表示關切要求採取措施確保進口酒類飲料的稅率不高於國產\n\n01:43.863 --> 02:06.395\n酒類飲料進口飲料的稅率不高於國產酒類飲料包括人可以作為酒精飲料的這個噴霧用的這個米酒那這個調降進口酒的這個關稅背景我大概說明一下因應貿易的自由國際化我國自76年開始開放外國啤酒和烈酒酒品進口那從91年我們正式加入WTO以後廢除菸酒專賣制度開放國內的\n\n02:09.677 --> 02:17.263\n酒類產製還有進口引進市場競爭機制國內的酒品就自由競爭市場我們金門的金酒公司也因為這樣和進口酒一樣要負擔高額的菸酒稅和營業稅等當時只有少量的蒸餾酒和進口的古類酒關稅維持40%是考慮說可能會影響國內的國產的酒類和政府庫存米的銷售這個是那時候的背景\n\n02:33.697 --> 02:55.048\n到了2019年的時候那調降進口酒的關稅背景是說為了創造有利五國參加CPTPP那經過通盤的政策檢討以後就以這個國產量少沒有明顯替代關係稅率高於其他酒類的古類釀酒就調降就是說比如說將日本的清酒由40%調降到20%這個是這個關稅背景那111年的時候我們財政部也提出古類酒\n\n03:00.971 --> 03:27.933\n進口關稅稅率調降實施成效當時的結論說調降雖然三年了但是可能受COVID-19影響了因素成本國外因素成本增加所以事實上降稅後谷類酒的進口值和進口量佔這個國內整體的酒品數量只有微幅的這個成長好我講了這麼多這個背景的這個說明想要跟您請教在上次的實施成效報告之後有沒有再次提出新的成效報告有沒有\n\n03:31.563 --> 03:43.798\n目前是沒有,就是上次提出來的那面對美國可能在提出對股類酒已經有提出來了關稅稅率的關切是不是這個部分又會被拿來當談判的籌碼\n\n03:47.068 --> 04:14.803\n目前就我們所知我們就是財政部的立場就是把我們相關的這個就是進口的量還有進口課稅的稅率提供給這個行政院經貿談判辦公室那你們呢當然他們是談判啦沒錯那你們有沒有提出相關的說對美國可能你覺得美國有可能在拿這個來當那個嘛有嘛對不對古類酒這個關稅的這個稅率嘛他意思是說我們的米酒太\n\n04:16.223 --> 04:36.799\n他的重點大概就是剛才委員有提到的就是我們對於那個就是蒸餾酒的課稅跟那個國內那個料理米酒的稅率之間的差異所以我們呢我們對這個我們有沒有做出相關的評估報告還有對國內的酒品市場影響有沒有做出影響的評估報告因為這個到時候談判出來對\n\n04:37.800 --> 04:55.602\n但是我們是有提出來提供給經貿談判辦公室有做出對國內酒品市場的影響評估報告有嗎是有相關的報告那這個請你提供不過委員這部分目前還不能提供給委員我們目前就是作為談判的\n\n04:56.363 --> 04:57.024\n貿易逆差歸零影響評估\n\n05:16.803 --> 05:38.320\n石破默就說川普要求貿易逆差要縮減到零對日本提出很多要求但這次他們在國會上強調日本首相說日本不會對美國一味的讓步有強硬的立場假設美國也要求我們對他的貿易逆差也要歸零我們的財政衝擊影響哪些面向\n\n05:40.304 --> 06:07.713\n我覺得這個部分其實我們不管是我們的院長或者是我們總統其實都有對外宣示宣示怎樣跪下來嗎就是我們這個談判過程一定是站在對我們國民利益國家利益最大的這個利益的立場就是投資嘛幾千億啊投資幾千億然後從零開始談啊然後買東西啊買他的天然氣啊最差只剩下第五步沒有做就是美國財政部要求直接捐錢給美國財政部啊\n\n06:08.753 --> 06:34.691\n對不對他要求五樣東西嘛因為談判過程當然有不同的策略啦有不同的策略啦不同的策略喔那我們財政部站在我們財政部的這個立場會不會財政部立場就是提供相關的資訊給經貿談判辦公室會不會堅持就是對國內產業包括經濟部市長也有來嘛會不會對我們產業比較有利的會堅持嗎當然我們已經在在維護我們國家還有人民最大的利益的立場來做談判但美國美國強勢要求咧\n\n06:36.887 --> 06:59.843\n基本上我們應該也是往這個方向來努力我知道你也沒有辦法決定我只是看一下世界各國是怎麼做包括墨西哥今天的做法也不一樣了接著我們來看一下大家一直討論的今天也是很重要就是汽機車廢物所以調降的部分我們已經說過很多次了之前交通委員會有相關的專案報告財政部說配合什麼政策\n\n07:00.843 --> 07:04.264\n免徵貨稅電動就免徵了這個已經講過很多次我也提出來很多修法也問過很多次你們給我的報告裡頭也說要跟主管機關就是經濟部審慎的評估你們財政部給我報告裡頭說不宜調降貨物稅棄機車尤其機車是年輕族群可能比較一般\n\n07:24.589 --> 07:46.463\n初步的這個代步的車子你們說不宜調降是因為已經免增了實質減輕負擔我們的消費稅和其他國家沒有比較高沒有要列入整體的這個稅制考量我們來看一下我們的稅較於其他國家貨幣稅真的沒有偏高嗎我做一個比較表您看一下喔這個齁我們這個機車的部分我們是17%嘛中國八路3%10%新加坡12%印度3%韓國5%\n\n07:53.547 --> 08:17.475\n沒有比較高嗎這個表格各位委員報告因為我們事實上因為提供了其他的那個相關產業政策的其他的太舊換新啊還有就是我知道我知道但是就是現在機車就是有17%的小貨物稅嘛沒有比較高嗎沒有因為你們給我的答案說不能降稅的原因是因為沒有比其他國高啊太舊換新是部分的車子嘛不是全部的車子嘛電動的那個\n\n08:21.136 --> 08:31.382\n好來看汽車的部分我們汽車15%、25%、30%比哪一國低啊?韓國5%、印度1%到22%我們30%、新加坡20%還有我們的消費稅所以這個應該貨物稅要通盤檢討大家已經講了又講了尤其在這一次美國跟我們要做關稅貿易談判的這部分面對對等貿易談判的關稅談判的壓力\n\n08:49.611 --> 09:05.563\n他們一定會提出這一點尤其美國在乎這個汽車嘛美國製的這個汽車所以這個東西是不是要找出根據我們的這個採化法你說如果我們要降稅啦如果我們要降稅要找替代人員嘛採化法有規定嘛38條之一嘛採化法有規定如果立法院修正要減稅貨物稅要減\n\n09:07.364 --> 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當然他們是談判啦 沒錯那你們有沒有提出相關的說對美國可能 你覺得美國有可能在拿這個來當那個嘛 有嘛 對不對古類酒這個關稅的這個稅率嘛他意思是說我們的米酒太"},{"start":256.223,"end":276.799,"text":"他的重點大概就是剛才委員有提到的就是我們對於那個就是蒸餾酒的課稅跟那個國內那個料理米酒的稅率之間的差異所以我們呢我們對這個我們有沒有做出相關的評估報告還有對國內的酒品市場影響有沒有做出影響的評估報告因為這個到時候談判出來對"},{"start":277.8,"end":295.602,"text":"但是我們是有提出來提供給經貿談判辦公室有做出對國內酒品市場的影響評估報告有嗎是有相關的報告那這個請你提供不過委員這部分目前還不能提供給委員我們目前就是作為談判的"},{"start":296.363,"end":297.024,"text":"貿易逆差歸零影響評估"},{"start":316.803,"end":338.32,"text":"石破默就說 川普要求貿易逆差要縮減到零對日本提出很多要求但這次他們在國會上強調日本首相說日本不會對美國一味的讓步有強硬的立場假設美國也要求我們對他的貿易逆差也要歸零我們的財政衝擊影響哪些面向"},{"start":340.304,"end":367.713,"text":"我覺得這個部分其實我們不管是我們的院長或者是我們總統其實都有對外宣示宣示怎樣 跪下來嗎就是我們這個談判過程一定是站在對我們國民利益國家利益最大的這個利益的立場就是投資嘛 幾千億啊投資幾千億然後從零開始談啊然後買東西啊 買他的天然氣啊最差只剩下第五步沒有做就是美國財政部要求直接捐錢給美國財政部啊"},{"start":368.753,"end":394.691,"text":"對不對 他要求五樣東西嘛因為談判過程當然有不同的策略啦有不同的策略啦不同的策略喔那我們財政部站在我們財政部的這個立場會不會財政部立場就是提供相關的資訊給經貿談判辦公室會不會堅持就是對國內產業包括經濟部市長也有來嘛會不會對我們產業比較有利的會堅持嗎當然我們已經在在維護我們國家還有人民最大的利益的立場來做談判但美國 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