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00:03:10,596\n規劃啦或者是在處理上有什麼困境之類的可不可以請署長先做一個我想謝謝委員的關心我們在篩檢其實最重要的就是說能夠讓這個民眾最方便的方式而且可進行的方式所以怎麼樣提供這樣的方式那是非常重要第二個就是篩檢人員他必須要受過這樣的一個訓練因為這是一個新的篩檢工具那麼他也是資訊化在處理那當然他的\n\n9\n00:03:12,037 --> 00:03:29,638\n篩檢的時間會比較長一點點所以我們給業餘的費用也比較高一點那目前這些篩檢的全國目前大概有1200多家的醫療院所來做服務那剛剛也提到了那除了幾個偏鄉沒有以外那這幾個偏鄉我們是用外展就是能夠讓地方去或者是\n\n10\n00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:52,202\n這個補助這個交通委把小孩子帶出來的方式希望能夠解決目前沒有辦法得到篩檢的一個服務當然如果提高現在我們都很清楚如果整篩能夠一批來當然一起篩可是那畢竟提供的人跟對象不大一樣癌篩的年齡都比較中高年齡比方剛才30歲以上是不是兒科這些人\n\n11\n00:03:53,143 --> 00:04:18,290\n我們沒辦法預測去那天有多少人那如果說我們可以示範看看因為地方如果有辦法把這些小孩子符合的那請到現場當然我們請專業的人去幫忙當然沒有問題特別是他如果有同時具有成見的資格那就可以一起做那就不用再請其他的人進來我想這個是可以嚴厲的示範看看畢竟那個流程是不一樣的\n\n12\n00:04:19,230 --> 00:04:32,265\n了解我們現在科技也要進步嘛剛剛那個趙偉提到林鄭就最好用因為都知道什麼人有需要做什麼所以如果能夠把這些做一些連結的話希望能夠針對整體的篩檢是有幫助的\n\n13\n00:04:34,468 --> 00:04:58,041\n那再過來就是有關兒童發展篩檢的服務的部分我們當然也了解如何能夠讓這些在發展相對比較遲緩或者是有需要相關協助的人能夠把兒童篩檢出來的話當然對他們不管是在早療或者是剛才很關心的這些語言治療事實上幫助都非常的大\n\n14\n00:04:58,601 --> 00:05:18,420\n那從今天的報告裡面也知道從113年7月份開始就實施這個未滿7歲的兒童新增6次的兒童發展的服務那成果到今年的4月將近4個月的時間一共有參加的這個醫療院所1206家\n\n15\n00:05:20,882 --> 00:05:40,558\n醫師有那麼多2000多位篩檢了30萬的人次異常率差不多是6.2%當然我們將來會持續了解這個異常率到底是有沒有集中在哪一些的異常或者是未來在處理上面需要再增加哪一些的部分不過比較好奇的就是說那些30萬會不會集中在某一些縣市啊\n\n16\n00:05:41,298 --> 00:06:09,337\n我想22縣市都有啦不會集中在某一個縣市因為他是屬於開業的診所或者醫院當地那民眾到那裡去要請他幫忙篩檢的所以全國平均起來大概是因為小孩子少的時候他的篩檢率占的比就低嘛小孩子多的占比就會高一點那目前全國大概30萬大概我們的占比大概一般的地區大概46%左右那\n\n17\n00:06:10,817 --> 00:06:23,604\n這個偏鄉離島大概在40%左右我們一起希望能夠篩的小孩子目前涵蓋這個政策剛上半年多而已啦所以還在持續的鼓勵大家來參與提升這樣的篩檢力\n\n18\n00:06:26,286 --> 00:06:51,161\n補助的縣市現在有幾個已經補下去了22縣市都有了我們有那個表格在提供給你好啊好啊因為我們了解好像沒有問題我們在提供給你OK好再來就是大家很關心的就是這些篩檢以後那怎麼讓這些有需要的兒童能夠得到這個兒童發展聯合評估中心來做評估我們看起來就是有80百件\n\n19\n00:06:52,382 --> 00:07:14,048\n事實上它的分佈相對是比較有一些不一樣比如說像高雄市它就很積極有12間台北市現在有3間新竹市有1間還有包括剛剛稍微所提到的屏東有4間這個分佈到底未來如何能夠有效的去增加這個量有沒有特別的規劃\n\n20\n00:07:15,649 --> 00:07:27,982\n我們剛剛提到的塞出來以後必須要讓它掛得到好而且在時間內拿到聯品輸入然後早一點進到藻寮這是我們最主要的目的所以我們一開始是先從後端這個聯品中心來擴充它的量能\n\n21\n00:07:31,326 --> 00:07:51,137\n所以我們剛剛聽到很多人說過去因為52家那時候只能拼大概2萬個人左右那現在我們114年大概可以拼到4萬5千人左右那就可以涵蓋所有的小孩子那目前稍微有缺乏一點的大概新北市就是台北北區這裡可能在量能還不足一點點那麼\n\n22\n00:07:53,482 --> 00:08:12,430\n那個澎湖也稍微缺了一點點那這個東西我們會利用其他的方式來協助那我們也一直在跟地方討論怎麼把這些量能補起來能夠符合需要進到聯品的人都得到聯品這個是我們的最終的目的我們希望今年度底到12月底可以達到百分之百\n\n23\n00:08:13,403 --> 00:08:38,641\n好百分之百太好了謝謝好那請回去回座休息我們來請教一下部長有關這個社務預算因為剛剛趙委員提到現在僅僅有將近這個八九百億所以針對除了一般的社務預算以外對兒童的部分其實兒少預算也隨著有很好的這個增加我們透過\n\n24\n00:08:39,882 --> 00:09:02,659\n聯合國兒童權益公約CRC的資訊網裡面可以看到過去這幾年來真的都有明顯的增加不管在百分比或者是在中央的或地方政府的預算都有在增加這個看起來是很符合針對兒少的保護或者是提供他們更好的成長有非常好的一些預算成長的支出\n\n25\n00:09:04,140 --> 00:09:16,132\n應該是大家都會替我們這個未來的國家主人翁覺得非常的好的一些方法不過我們也知道這個新版的裁判法上路以後會衝擊28%的社政預算\n\n26\n00:09:19,415 --> 00:09:33,251\n這是你說的嘛就是有28%的市民預算其中會包括育兒津貼、社安軟人力還有可能剛剛我們所提到一些相關的問題都會受影響那請問有沒有什麼樣的方案在準備中嗎\n\n27\n00:09:40,898 --> 00:09:49,925\n我想我們會根據行政院整體的調配方式來應用處理我們一定會努力來讓我們不管是各個\n\n28\n00:09:51,209 --> 00:10:19,682\n各個相關的社福單位還是能夠運作順利這個我們會努力是尤其是兒少預算如果依照目前我們所理解的有越來越增加的趨勢會不會因為這個財務法以後呢相關的中央預算就會受影響因為我們也知道國防預算是無法我們也不希望說國防預算受到衝擊可是相較之下那其他預算會不會受衝擊尤其是在衛福兒少\n\n29\n00:10:21,022 --> 00:10:45,037\n我們希望未來中央跟地方一起合作保定在行政院相關的部會會議的時候能夠把這樣的需求也能夠強烈的爭取既然在已經預算已經在法案處理之下變成有另外的分配的時候我們整個\n\n30\n00:10:46,358 --> 00:11:09,322\n思考就是要資源的分配可能要再談一下然後總歸不管是中央或地方一定要攜手合作來對社福特別是兒童的一個照顧一定不能減分那有關於這個衛福資料治理法治化的部分我想時間的關係我們就留待下一次再跟你討論好謝謝謝謝王委員謝謝部長\n\n31\n00:11:13,883 --> 00:11:14,485\n那接續我們請羅廷偉委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5344\t12874\t謝謝主席麻煩國建署五署長我們上邱部長先休息一下\n22482\t39611\t市長你好因為我們今天一個重要主題就是有關你這個偏鄉篩檢量能讓他落實一個重要議題所以大部分的業務都麻煩署長在處理所以我就先麻煩跟署長一起來討論一下\n41432\t61959\t針對偏鄉篩檢我們有沒有機會來研議整合性的外展服務模式或是一站式的服務模式讓這個落實可以針對我們希望提升的這個篩檢量能有效的提升我們目前看到的到底有多少個所謂的公費篩檢\n64700\t86566\t目前有三種主要是由國電署在負責包括免費的成人健康檢查還有兒童發展的篩檢服務還有五大癌症篩檢這個都是非常重要當然人力上面可能署長也要設法如何能夠讓他在這個人力的服務部分可以有效的提升那我們可以看到其實針對於\n87886\t109610\t免費成人健康檢查本來是40歲現在又降成30歲所以那個這個服務的人數理論上應該會更多我們看到六個部會區它的篩檢利用率差不多都是只有在兩成多三成左右相較於偏鄉還是說比較屬於農業縣好像也沒有比較好\n114032\t134890\t這個我們也理解啦因為在都會區其實可能醫療服務的這些方便性大家就想說我就不用做了不用再來做這個所謂的成人服務的健康檢查這個是可以理解的那三層跟國外跟國際相比是不是比較差其實好像也沒有差到那麼多雖然大家對三層是覺得這樣可以再減價沒辦法\n136852\t159735\t不過我們可以理解這三個這些篩檢服務裡面包括今天的重點兒童發展篩檢服務這個有辦法做回來用比如說如果他還做成人健康檢查把孫子拿出來或是把孩子拿出來那他同時又符合癌症篩檢還可以做回作用嗎這個部分不知道目前有沒有相關的一些\n161356\t190596\t規劃啦或者是在處理上有什麼困境之類的可不可以請署長先做一個我想謝謝委員的關心我們在篩檢其實最重要的就是說能夠讓這個民眾最方便的方式而且可進行的方式所以怎麼樣提供這樣的方式那是非常重要第二個就是篩檢人員他必須要受過這樣的一個訓練因為這是一個新的篩檢工具那麼他也是資訊化在處理那當然他的\n192037\t209638\t篩檢的時間會比較長一點點所以我們給業餘的費用也比較高一點那目前這些篩檢的全國目前大概有1200多家的醫療院所來做服務那剛剛也提到了那除了幾個偏鄉沒有以外那這幾個偏鄉我們是用外展就是能夠讓地方去或者是\n210920\t232202\t這個補助這個交通委把小孩子帶出來的方式希望能夠解決目前沒有辦法得到篩檢的一個服務當然如果提高現在我們都很清楚如果整篩能夠一批來當然一起篩可是那畢竟提供的人跟對象不大一樣癌篩的年齡都比較中高年齡比方剛才30歲以上是不是兒科這些人\n233143\t258290\t我們沒辦法預測去那天有多少人那如果說我們可以示範看看因為地方如果有辦法把這些小孩子符合的那請到現場當然我們請專業的人去幫忙當然沒有問題特別是他如果有同時具有成見的資格那就可以一起做那就不用再請其他的人進來我想這個是可以嚴厲的示範看看畢竟那個流程是不一樣的\n259230\t272265\t了解我們現在科技也要進步嘛剛剛那個趙偉提到林鄭就最好用因為都知道什麼人有需要做什麼所以如果能夠把這些做一些連結的話希望能夠針對整體的篩檢是有幫助的\n274468\t298041\t那再過來就是有關兒童發展篩檢的服務的部分我們當然也了解如何能夠讓這些在發展相對比較遲緩或者是有需要相關協助的人能夠把兒童篩檢出來的話當然對他們不管是在早療或者是剛才很關心的這些語言治療事實上幫助都非常的大\n298601\t318420\t那從今天的報告裡面也知道從113年7月份開始就實施這個未滿7歲的兒童新增6次的兒童發展的服務那成果到今年的4月 將近4個月的時間一共有參加的這個醫療院所1206家\n320882\t340558\t醫師有那麼多 2000多位篩檢了30萬的人次異常率差不多是6.2%當然我們將來會持續了解這個異常率到底是有沒有集中在哪一些的異常或者是未來在處理上面需要再增加哪一些的部分不過比較好奇的就是說那些30萬會不會集中在某一些縣市啊\n341298\t369337\t我想22縣市都有啦不會集中在某一個縣市因為他是屬於開業的診所或者醫院當地那民眾到那裡去要請他幫忙篩檢的所以全國平均起來大概是因為小孩子少的時候他的篩檢率占的比就低嘛小孩子多的占比就會高一點那目前全國大概30萬大概我們的占比大概一般的地區大概46%左右那\n370817\t383604\t這個偏鄉離島大概在40%左右我們一起希望能夠篩的小孩子目前涵蓋這個政策剛上半年多而已啦所以還在持續的鼓勵大家來參與提升這樣的篩檢力\n386286\t411161\t補助的縣市現在有幾個已經補下去了22縣市都有了我們有那個表格在提供給你好啊好啊因為我們了解好像沒有問題我們在提供給你OK好再來就是大家很關心的就是這些篩檢以後那怎麼讓這些有需要的兒童能夠得到這個兒童發展聯合評估中心來做評估我們看起來就是有80百件\n412382\t434048\t事實上它的分佈相對是比較有一些不一樣比如說像高雄市它就很積極有12間台北市現在有3間新竹市有1間還有包括剛剛稍微所提到的屏東有4間這個分佈到底未來如何能夠有效的去增加這個量有沒有特別的規劃\n435649\t447982\t我們剛剛提到的塞出來以後必須要讓它掛得到好而且在時間內拿到聯品輸入然後早一點進到藻寮這是我們最主要的目的所以我們一開始是先從後端這個聯品中心來擴充它的量能\n451326\t471137\t所以我們剛剛聽到很多人說過去因為52家那時候只能拼大概2萬個人左右那現在我們114年大概可以拼到4萬5千人左右那就可以涵蓋所有的小孩子那目前稍微有缺乏一點的大概新北市就是台北北區這裡可能在量能還不足一點點那麼\n473482\t492430\t那個澎湖也稍微缺了一點點那這個東西我們會利用其他的方式來協助那我們也一直在跟地方討論怎麼把這些量能補起來能夠符合需要進到聯品的人都得到聯品這個是我們的最終的目的我們希望今年度底到12月底可以達到百分之百\n493403\t518641\t好百分之百太好了謝謝好那請回去回座休息我們來請教一下部長有關這個社務預算因為剛剛趙委員提到現在僅僅有將近這個八九百億所以針對除了一般的社務預算以外對兒童的部分其實兒少預算也隨著有很好的這個增加我們透過\n519882\t542659\t聯合國兒童權益公約CRC的資訊網裡面可以看到過去這幾年來真的都有明顯的增加不管在百分比或者是在中央的或地方政府的預算都有在增加這個看起來是很符合針對兒少的保護或者是提供他們更好的成長有非常好的一些預算成長的支出\n544140\t556132\t應該是大家都會替我們這個未來的國家主人翁覺得非常的好的一些方法不過我們也知道這個新版的裁判法上路以後會衝擊28%的社政預算\n559415\t573251\t這是你說的嘛就是有28%的市民預算其中會包括育兒津貼、社安軟人力還有可能剛剛我們所提到一些相關的問題都會受影響那請問有沒有什麼樣的方案在準備中嗎\n580898\t589925\t我想我們會根據行政院整體的調配方式來應用處理我們一定會努力來讓我們不管是各個\n591209\t619682\t各個相關的社福單位還是能夠運作順利這個我們會努力是 尤其是兒少預算如果依照目前我們所理解的有越來越增加的趨勢會不會因為這個財務法以後呢相關的中央預算就會受影響因為我們也知道國防預算是無法我們也不希望說國防預算受到衝擊可是相較之下那其他預算會不會受衝擊尤其是在衛福 兒少\n621022\t645037\t我們希望未來中央跟地方一起合作保定在行政院相關的部會會議的時候能夠把這樣的需求也能夠強烈的爭取既然在已經預算已經在法案處理之下變成有另外的分配的時候我們整個\n646358\t669322\t思考就是要資源的分配可能要再談一下然後總歸不管是中央或地方一定要攜手合作來對社福特別是兒童的一個照顧一定不能減分那有關於這個衛福資料治理法治化的部分我想時間的關係我們就留待下一次再跟你討論好 謝謝謝謝王委員 謝謝部長\n673883\t674485\t那接續我們請羅廷偉委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席麻煩國建署五署長我們上邱部長先休息一下\n市長你好因為我們今天一個重要主題就是有關你這個偏鄉篩檢量能讓他落實一個重要議題所以大部分的業務都麻煩署長在處理所以我就先麻煩跟署長一起來討論一下\n針對偏鄉篩檢我們有沒有機會來研議整合性的外展服務模式或是一站式的服務模式讓這個落實可以針對我們希望提升的這個篩檢量能有效的提升我們目前看到的到底有多少個所謂的公費篩檢\n目前有三種主要是由國電署在負責包括免費的成人健康檢查還有兒童發展的篩檢服務還有五大癌症篩檢這個都是非常重要當然人力上面可能署長也要設法如何能夠讓他在這個人力的服務部分可以有效的提升那我們可以看到其實針對於\n免費成人健康檢查本來是40歲現在又降成30歲所以那個這個服務的人數理論上應該會更多我們看到六個部會區它的篩檢利用率差不多都是只有在兩成多三成左右相較於偏鄉還是說比較屬於農業縣好像也沒有比較好\n這個我們也理解啦因為在都會區其實可能醫療服務的這些方便性大家就想說我就不用做了不用再來做這個所謂的成人服務的健康檢查這個是可以理解的那三層跟國外跟國際相比是不是比較差其實好像也沒有差到那麼多雖然大家對三層是覺得這樣可以再減價沒辦法\n不過我們可以理解這三個這些篩檢服務裡面包括今天的重點兒童發展篩檢服務這個有辦法做回來用比如說如果他還做成人健康檢查把孫子拿出來或是把孩子拿出來那他同時又符合癌症篩檢還可以做回作用嗎這個部分不知道目前有沒有相關的一些\n規劃啦或者是在處理上有什麼困境之類的可不可以請署長先做一個我想謝謝委員的關心我們在篩檢其實最重要的就是說能夠讓這個民眾最方便的方式而且可進行的方式所以怎麼樣提供這樣的方式那是非常重要第二個就是篩檢人員他必須要受過這樣的一個訓練因為這是一個新的篩檢工具那麼他也是資訊化在處理那當然他的\n篩檢的時間會比較長一點點所以我們給業餘的費用也比較高一點那目前這些篩檢的全國目前大概有1200多家的醫療院所來做服務那剛剛也提到了那除了幾個偏鄉沒有以外那這幾個偏鄉我們是用外展就是能夠讓地方去或者是\n這個補助這個交通委把小孩子帶出來的方式希望能夠解決目前沒有辦法得到篩檢的一個服務當然如果提高現在我們都很清楚如果整篩能夠一批來當然一起篩可是那畢竟提供的人跟對象不大一樣癌篩的年齡都比較中高年齡比方剛才30歲以上是不是兒科這些人\n我們沒辦法預測去那天有多少人那如果說我們可以示範看看因為地方如果有辦法把這些小孩子符合的那請到現場當然我們請專業的人去幫忙當然沒有問題特別是他如果有同時具有成見的資格那就可以一起做那就不用再請其他的人進來我想這個是可以嚴厲的示範看看畢竟那個流程是不一樣的\n了解我們現在科技也要進步嘛剛剛那個趙偉提到林鄭就最好用因為都知道什麼人有需要做什麼所以如果能夠把這些做一些連結的話希望能夠針對整體的篩檢是有幫助的\n那再過來就是有關兒童發展篩檢的服務的部分我們當然也了解如何能夠讓這些在發展相對比較遲緩或者是有需要相關協助的人能夠把兒童篩檢出來的話當然對他們不管是在早療或者是剛才很關心的這些語言治療事實上幫助都非常的大\n那從今天的報告裡面也知道從113年7月份開始就實施這個未滿7歲的兒童新增6次的兒童發展的服務那成果到今年的4月 將近4個月的時間一共有參加的這個醫療院所1206家\n醫師有那麼多 2000多位篩檢了30萬的人次異常率差不多是6.2%當然我們將來會持續了解這個異常率到底是有沒有集中在哪一些的異常或者是未來在處理上面需要再增加哪一些的部分不過比較好奇的就是說那些30萬會不會集中在某一些縣市啊\n我想22縣市都有啦不會集中在某一個縣市因為他是屬於開業的診所或者醫院當地那民眾到那裡去要請他幫忙篩檢的所以全國平均起來大概是因為小孩子少的時候他的篩檢率占的比就低嘛小孩子多的占比就會高一點那目前全國大概30萬大概我們的占比大概一般的地區大概46%左右那\n這個偏鄉離島大概在40%左右我們一起希望能夠篩的小孩子目前涵蓋這個政策剛上半年多而已啦所以還在持續的鼓勵大家來參與提升這樣的篩檢力\n補助的縣市現在有幾個已經補下去了22縣市都有了我們有那個表格在提供給你好啊好啊因為我們了解好像沒有問題我們在提供給你OK好再來就是大家很關心的就是這些篩檢以後那怎麼讓這些有需要的兒童能夠得到這個兒童發展聯合評估中心來做評估我們看起來就是有80百件\n事實上它的分佈相對是比較有一些不一樣比如說像高雄市它就很積極有12間台北市現在有3間新竹市有1間還有包括剛剛稍微所提到的屏東有4間這個分佈到底未來如何能夠有效的去增加這個量有沒有特別的規劃\n我們剛剛提到的塞出來以後必須要讓它掛得到好而且在時間內拿到聯品輸入然後早一點進到藻寮這是我們最主要的目的所以我們一開始是先從後端這個聯品中心來擴充它的量能\n所以我們剛剛聽到很多人說過去因為52家那時候只能拼大概2萬個人左右那現在我們114年大概可以拼到4萬5千人左右那就可以涵蓋所有的小孩子那目前稍微有缺乏一點的大概新北市就是台北北區這裡可能在量能還不足一點點那麼\n那個澎湖也稍微缺了一點點那這個東西我們會利用其他的方式來協助那我們也一直在跟地方討論怎麼把這些量能補起來能夠符合需要進到聯品的人都得到聯品這個是我們的最終的目的我們希望今年度底到12月底可以達到百分之百\n好百分之百太好了謝謝好那請回去回座休息我們來請教一下部長有關這個社務預算因為剛剛趙委員提到現在僅僅有將近這個八九百億所以針對除了一般的社務預算以外對兒童的部分其實兒少預算也隨著有很好的這個增加我們透過\n聯合國兒童權益公約CRC的資訊網裡面可以看到過去這幾年來真的都有明顯的增加不管在百分比或者是在中央的或地方政府的預算都有在增加這個看起來是很符合針對兒少的保護或者是提供他們更好的成長有非常好的一些預算成長的支出\n應該是大家都會替我們這個未來的國家主人翁覺得非常的好的一些方法不過我們也知道這個新版的裁判法上路以後會衝擊28%的社政預算\n這是你說的嘛就是有28%的市民預算其中會包括育兒津貼、社安軟人力還有可能剛剛我們所提到一些相關的問題都會受影響那請問有沒有什麼樣的方案在準備中嗎\n我想我們會根據行政院整體的調配方式來應用處理我們一定會努力來讓我們不管是各個\n各個相關的社福單位還是能夠運作順利這個我們會努力是 尤其是兒少預算如果依照目前我們所理解的有越來越增加的趨勢會不會因為這個財務法以後呢相關的中央預算就會受影響因為我們也知道國防預算是無法我們也不希望說國防預算受到衝擊可是相較之下那其他預算會不會受衝擊尤其是在衛福 兒少\n我們希望未來中央跟地方一起合作保定在行政院相關的部會會議的時候能夠把這樣的需求也能夠強烈的爭取既然在已經預算已經在法案處理之下變成有另外的分配的時候我們整個\n思考就是要資源的分配可能要再談一下然後總歸不管是中央或地方一定要攜手合作來對社福特別是兒童的一個照顧一定不能減分那有關於這個衛福資料治理法治化的部分我想時間的關係我們就留待下一次再跟你討論好 謝謝謝謝王委員 謝謝部長\n那接續我們請羅廷偉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.344 --> 00:12.874\n謝謝主席麻煩國建署五署長我們上邱部長先休息一下\n\n00:22.482 --> 00:39.611\n市長你好因為我們今天一個重要主題就是有關你這個偏鄉篩檢量能讓他落實一個重要議題所以大部分的業務都麻煩署長在處理所以我就先麻煩跟署長一起來討論一下\n\n00:41.432 --> 01:01.959\n針對偏鄉篩檢我們有沒有機會來研議整合性的外展服務模式或是一站式的服務模式讓這個落實可以針對我們希望提升的這個篩檢量能有效的提升我們目前看到的到底有多少個所謂的公費篩檢\n\n01:04.700 --> 01:26.566\n目前有三種主要是由國電署在負責包括免費的成人健康檢查還有兒童發展的篩檢服務還有五大癌症篩檢這個都是非常重要當然人力上面可能署長也要設法如何能夠讓他在這個人力的服務部分可以有效的提升那我們可以看到其實針對於\n\n01:27.886 --> 01:49.610\n免費成人健康檢查本來是40歲現在又降成30歲所以那個這個服務的人數理論上應該會更多我們看到六個部會區它的篩檢利用率差不多都是只有在兩成多三成左右相較於偏鄉還是說比較屬於農業縣好像也沒有比較好\n\n01:54.032 --> 02:14.890\n這個我們也理解啦因為在都會區其實可能醫療服務的這些方便性大家就想說我就不用做了不用再來做這個所謂的成人服務的健康檢查這個是可以理解的那三層跟國外跟國際相比是不是比較差其實好像也沒有差到那麼多雖然大家對三層是覺得這樣可以再減價沒辦法\n\n02:16.852 --> 02:39.735\n不過我們可以理解這三個這些篩檢服務裡面包括今天的重點兒童發展篩檢服務這個有辦法做回來用比如說如果他還做成人健康檢查把孫子拿出來或是把孩子拿出來那他同時又符合癌症篩檢還可以做回作用嗎這個部分不知道目前有沒有相關的一些\n\n02:41.356 --> 03:10.596\n規劃啦或者是在處理上有什麼困境之類的可不可以請署長先做一個我想謝謝委員的關心我們在篩檢其實最重要的就是說能夠讓這個民眾最方便的方式而且可進行的方式所以怎麼樣提供這樣的方式那是非常重要第二個就是篩檢人員他必須要受過這樣的一個訓練因為這是一個新的篩檢工具那麼他也是資訊化在處理那當然他的\n\n03:12.037 --> 03:29.638\n篩檢的時間會比較長一點點所以我們給業餘的費用也比較高一點那目前這些篩檢的全國目前大概有1200多家的醫療院所來做服務那剛剛也提到了那除了幾個偏鄉沒有以外那這幾個偏鄉我們是用外展就是能夠讓地方去或者是\n\n03:30.920 --> 03:52.202\n這個補助這個交通委把小孩子帶出來的方式希望能夠解決目前沒有辦法得到篩檢的一個服務當然如果提高現在我們都很清楚如果整篩能夠一批來當然一起篩可是那畢竟提供的人跟對象不大一樣癌篩的年齡都比較中高年齡比方剛才30歲以上是不是兒科這些人\n\n03:53.143 --> 04:18.290\n我們沒辦法預測去那天有多少人那如果說我們可以示範看看因為地方如果有辦法把這些小孩子符合的那請到現場當然我們請專業的人去幫忙當然沒有問題特別是他如果有同時具有成見的資格那就可以一起做那就不用再請其他的人進來我想這個是可以嚴厲的示範看看畢竟那個流程是不一樣的\n\n04:19.230 --> 04:32.265\n了解我們現在科技也要進步嘛剛剛那個趙偉提到林鄭就最好用因為都知道什麼人有需要做什麼所以如果能夠把這些做一些連結的話希望能夠針對整體的篩檢是有幫助的\n\n04:34.468 --> 04:58.041\n那再過來就是有關兒童發展篩檢的服務的部分我們當然也了解如何能夠讓這些在發展相對比較遲緩或者是有需要相關協助的人能夠把兒童篩檢出來的話當然對他們不管是在早療或者是剛才很關心的這些語言治療事實上幫助都非常的大\n\n04:58.601 --> 05:18.420\n那從今天的報告裡面也知道從113年7月份開始就實施這個未滿7歲的兒童新增6次的兒童發展的服務那成果到今年的4月將近4個月的時間一共有參加的這個醫療院所1206家\n\n05:20.882 --> 05:40.558\n醫師有那麼多2000多位篩檢了30萬的人次異常率差不多是6.2%當然我們將來會持續了解這個異常率到底是有沒有集中在哪一些的異常或者是未來在處理上面需要再增加哪一些的部分不過比較好奇的就是說那些30萬會不會集中在某一些縣市啊\n\n05:41.298 --> 06:09.337\n我想22縣市都有啦不會集中在某一個縣市因為他是屬於開業的診所或者醫院當地那民眾到那裡去要請他幫忙篩檢的所以全國平均起來大概是因為小孩子少的時候他的篩檢率占的比就低嘛小孩子多的占比就會高一點那目前全國大概30萬大概我們的占比大概一般的地區大概46%左右那\n\n06:10.817 --> 06:23.604\n這個偏鄉離島大概在40%左右我們一起希望能夠篩的小孩子目前涵蓋這個政策剛上半年多而已啦所以還在持續的鼓勵大家來參與提升這樣的篩檢力\n\n06:26.286 --> 06:51.161\n補助的縣市現在有幾個已經補下去了22縣市都有了我們有那個表格在提供給你好啊好啊因為我們了解好像沒有問題我們在提供給你OK好再來就是大家很關心的就是這些篩檢以後那怎麼讓這些有需要的兒童能夠得到這個兒童發展聯合評估中心來做評估我們看起來就是有80百件\n\n06:52.382 --> 07:14.048\n事實上它的分佈相對是比較有一些不一樣比如說像高雄市它就很積極有12間台北市現在有3間新竹市有1間還有包括剛剛稍微所提到的屏東有4間這個分佈到底未來如何能夠有效的去增加這個量有沒有特別的規劃\n\n07:15.649 --> 07:27.982\n我們剛剛提到的塞出來以後必須要讓它掛得到好而且在時間內拿到聯品輸入然後早一點進到藻寮這是我們最主要的目的所以我們一開始是先從後端這個聯品中心來擴充它的量能\n\n07:31.326 --> 07:51.137\n所以我們剛剛聽到很多人說過去因為52家那時候只能拼大概2萬個人左右那現在我們114年大概可以拼到4萬5千人左右那就可以涵蓋所有的小孩子那目前稍微有缺乏一點的大概新北市就是台北北區這裡可能在量能還不足一點點那麼\n\n07:53.482 --> 08:12.430\n那個澎湖也稍微缺了一點點那這個東西我們會利用其他的方式來協助那我們也一直在跟地方討論怎麼把這些量能補起來能夠符合需要進到聯品的人都得到聯品這個是我們的最終的目的我們希望今年度底到12月底可以達到百分之百\n\n08:13.403 --> 08:38.641\n好百分之百太好了謝謝好那請回去回座休息我們來請教一下部長有關這個社務預算因為剛剛趙委員提到現在僅僅有將近這個八九百億所以針對除了一般的社務預算以外對兒童的部分其實兒少預算也隨著有很好的這個增加我們透過\n\n08:39.882 --> 09:02.659\n聯合國兒童權益公約CRC的資訊網裡面可以看到過去這幾年來真的都有明顯的增加不管在百分比或者是在中央的或地方政府的預算都有在增加這個看起來是很符合針對兒少的保護或者是提供他們更好的成長有非常好的一些預算成長的支出\n\n09:04.140 --> 09:16.132\n應該是大家都會替我們這個未來的國家主人翁覺得非常的好的一些方法不過我們也知道這個新版的裁判法上路以後會衝擊28%的社政預算\n\n09:19.415 --> 09:33.251\n這是你說的嘛就是有28%的市民預算其中會包括育兒津貼、社安軟人力還有可能剛剛我們所提到一些相關的問題都會受影響那請問有沒有什麼樣的方案在準備中嗎\n\n09:40.898 --> 09:49.925\n我想我們會根據行政院整體的調配方式來應用處理我們一定會努力來讓我們不管是各個\n\n09:51.209 --> 10:19.682\n各個相關的社福單位還是能夠運作順利這個我們會努力是尤其是兒少預算如果依照目前我們所理解的有越來越增加的趨勢會不會因為這個財務法以後呢相關的中央預算就會受影響因為我們也知道國防預算是無法我們也不希望說國防預算受到衝擊可是相較之下那其他預算會不會受衝擊尤其是在衛福兒少\n\n10:21.022 --> 10:45.037\n我們希望未來中央跟地方一起合作保定在行政院相關的部會會議的時候能夠把這樣的需求也能夠強烈的爭取既然在已經預算已經在法案處理之下變成有另外的分配的時候我們整個\n\n10:46.358 --> 11:09.322\n思考就是要資源的分配可能要再談一下然後總歸不管是中央或地方一定要攜手合作來對社福特別是兒童的一個照顧一定不能減分那有關於這個衛福資料治理法治化的部分我想時間的關係我們就留待下一次再跟你討論好謝謝謝謝王委員謝謝部長\n\n11:13.883 --> 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