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00:01:05,394\n那你平常就已經加上警察他們的勤務這個負擔所以說今天我看到剛才在討論包含有防流票的問題就是應該我們的前者單位還是要把它歸類你像我們在新北市在雙溪還有遇到那個\n\n5\n00:01:24,521 --> 00:01:35,167\n挖隱形的這震驚我們整個社會尤其媒體那天在報導我看了都傻眼了其實他都是倒垃圾垃圾又是屬於環保這個區塊所以我們\n\n6\n00:01:39,309 --> 00:01:43,371\n未來我們的社會自治維護法要怎樣來歸類讓民眾來瞭解我們最主要是要讓民眾知道說這個部分你警察要怎麼來做這個簽討然後我們的環保人員要來\n\n7\n00:01:55,905 --> 00:02:09,432\n怎樣,因為都是鄰居嘛,要怎樣來跟他們做協調,才不會造成這個悲劇的發生這是目前我們要討論的,我們的社會知識維護法,這重點不要說什麼事都歸類於警察單位,我們警察,他們的勤務就非常繁重啊所以說在這個部分,請內政部部長,要怎麼來妥善來做規劃\n\n8\n00:02:21,738 --> 00:02:45,857\n是謝謝委員的關心委員對於很多民眾涉及到社委法的部分其實也都非常的關心但是您剛有特別提到因為社委法在上一次修正到現在大概不到三年的時間這裡面如果我們發現說光是社會秩序維護法無法解決的問題行政院有指示所以我們已經採取叫分散立法\n\n9\n00:02:46,337 --> 00:02:50,282\n譬如說現在的這個文藝的黃牛的部分的話呢就是請這個文化部來處理那如果是運動採卷運動發展條例的話就處理有關賽事的這個黃牛的這個部分那譬如說噪音的話呢請噪音管制法\n\n10\n00:03:02,236 --> 00:03:13,261\n那所以警察的他的職權的部分呢就比較明確化也就是說我們在協助目的失業主管機關來化解這方面的問題然後不是說只要引用社會秩序違法就是為了開罰單為了開罰金這個叫做我們一般來講\n\n11\n00:03:18,843 --> 00:03:22,989\n但是我們警察還是願意協助這個部分那您剛所提到就是說鄰里之間的這個糾紛啦其實我都知道像村里長也是很辛苦那是二十四點鐘過的工作在處理事情但是呢我們只是盡量化解\n\n12\n00:03:34,284 --> 00:03:51,631\n那如果真正升高到說需要由法律來解決的話大概還不至於先到法院大家都會先到警察局那到警察局的報案也是都包山包海那所以我們現在的這個社會秩序維護法那個警員用社會秩序維護法來開罰的次數呢就慢慢在降低\n\n13\n00:03:52,071 --> 00:04:21,093\n因為大家都是知道說法治社會有法律的地方啊大家互相要相擁好還是大家互相要遵守法律那所以如果現在呢如果要再把它加重刑責或者是加重他們的業務量的話我覺得這樣反而讓事情的回歸到越來越混亂但是呢我們可以處理的就是說現在已經分散立法的部分譬如說給環境部給文化部給這個體育部未來的體育部或者是甚至未來有交通部\n\n14\n00:04:22,013 --> 00:04:25,316\n的處理因為交通部他們現在處理是只有管大眾運輸的這個鐵路的票那個叫做運輸的票卷但是呢交通部也有處理像觀光旅宿的部分在這個部分也還沒有放到交通部應該處理的範圍\n\n15\n00:04:37,785 --> 00:04:42,909\n所以我們很希望說未來如果有機會啦我們還是會繼續跟行政院反映就是說讓目的事業主管機關的這個事業的這個部會他們能夠就不管是黃牛也好或是說消費糾紛的部分盡量採取這樣的方式那還有呢其實還有一個叫做消費者保護法那消費者保護法呢在地方機關地方政府也有譬如說地方的消保會之類的\n\n16\n00:05:03,826 --> 00:05:07,350\n但是很多人啊很多人都覺得說最好現在先開館啦不要說明天再去市政府再去管政府再去兜圍再去找所以最快的一定找里長第二天就找警察里長就是用口供的警察看他\n\n17\n00:05:20,184 --> 00:05:45,013\n那這樣子反而造成我們的警察他會一直要處理這個事像剛剛那個署長有跟那個委員報告過真的噪音管制法開罰的比例不是很高但是警員為了應付噪音的問題他可能要往返的那個次數可能是高於百倍跟千倍所以你現在如果再把他把這些噪音管制為了加強他的罰則\n\n18\n00:05:46,434 --> 00:06:08,449\n好像就能夠降低噪音的糾紛跟困擾我覺得反而是後端管理不是後端管理的問題是源頭的部分譬如說公寓大廈的管委會我們要不要制定大家一個比較好的相處之道你晚上十點以後你就不要再唱歌唱歌之類的但是偶爾拖個桌腳\n\n19\n00:06:09,269 --> 00:06:33,117\n沒辦法去攏到那不要說真的要用噪音管制那也發揮錯啦所以我是覺得說還是要大家再釐清清楚看界限在哪個地方那如果是警察機關可以介入來幫忙的我們一定幫忙但是我們不是主要的目的事業主管機關要這樣子的認定的話呢我們比較能夠接受社會秩序文物法要做修正啦對好謝謝部長\n\n20\n00:06:33,976 --> 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