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00:01:29,182\n報告我們非常重視這個問題的確是量刑公憤所以台高縣已經責成台中地檢來主辦台北地檢來協辦這三個地檢都有發新聞稿來做宣示現在是針對這個因為我們有看到八十多位的會員是有被\n\n5\n00:01:30,543 --> 00:01:56,014\n剪掉調查當中嗎?現在就在查因為新聞稿有講是好那再來本時要問的是那影像的拍攝者他是直接犯罪的因為您看到喔來這個是新聞新聞裡面講是說創意私房的會員涉及性侵性侵本身就是一個非常最大惡極的犯罪那還要求學生拍學生證\n\n6\n00:01:56,914 --> 00:02:20,172\n那所以他在現在我們所公佈的這一些資料裡面他講是說為了要讓這些會員滿足他們的授意私慾啊他還讓這個被拍攝者他有他的一個個人資料不管是他的社群帳號或者說他的學生證所以還可以讓創意私房的會員去找到這個學生那就是有明顯被害者再來我們看下一頁\n\n7\n00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:38,392\n甚至還有傳出說有14歲少女被性侵200多次那我們現在要問現在這些影像是不是都已經在調查當中那這些犯罪者的這部分後續是不是有再持續的追蹤\n\n8\n00:02:41,188 --> 00:03:03,028\n這個創意司法這部分就持續一直在辦那這部分委員關心的問題現在台中地檢就在處理了就在積極的來申辦中那我想我們也讓檢察官能夠有一個時間讓他去查本席現在會問的是主要在於是什麼主要在於是說我們要看到是我們整個法務部的一個態度\n\n9\n00:03:04,608 --> 00:03:21,193\n而且重點在於是這不是說只是丟給一個地檢署這有兩個地檢署還有高檢署先跟你說你現在的做法因為我覺得這涉及到三個層面部長請您仔細聽一下本席講的第一受害者\n\n10\n00:03:22,193 --> 00:03:51,033\n他過去真的有被受害而且是慘無人道的受害而他有可能如果說有這些影像的話是有可能找到這些受害者但是我們要極其小心給協助輔導甚至女警甚至相關的人員也許可以跟受害者來取得聯繫讓受害者能夠講出他當時被犯的犯行這是幫他恢復正義第二拍攝者\n\n11\n00:03:52,389 --> 00:04:12,001\n怎麼可以有性侵的過程然後還拍攝下來拍攝下來之後然後賣給別人那拍攝者是誰但目前為什麼沒有看到檢調對於拍攝者這邊有任何的掌握至少媒體上面有看到以及第三高級會員這些會員花錢買這些影像就是該死\n\n12\n00:04:16,327 --> 00:04:44,997\n說不客氣的他沒有直接參與犯罪但是他間接贊助犯罪間接支持犯罪這就是等同犯罪所以這三個層面的部分是我們到目前為止為什麼本行會拿出來我不針對任何一個人但我針對的是整體的案件因為這看起來就是一個犯罪集團有計劃性的犯罪被害者高達數十位甚至上百位加害者也可能有幾百位會員可能有幾千位\n\n13\n00:04:45,757 --> 00:05:01,304\n那這一些都應該正義不是不到而是可能晚到但絕對不能不到那我們現在法務部在辦理的過程當中有沒有集結更多的力量去把這個犯罪集團整體的一個破獲我想這個犯罪是一個\n\n14\n00:05:02,384 --> 00:05:31,630\n是一個集團性的這個委員講得很清楚所以我們就是有一個專屬的來做一個針對這個創意私房來做一個偵辦那當然委員關心的包括這個販賣販售的上網的或者是拍攝者等等這部分檢察會都會嚴加來做一個那另外那個受被害人這部分那這個保護這部分我想會依照相關的法規來做一個來一個保護如果有不足的那個我們再來修法\n\n15\n00:05:34,732 --> 00:05:52,600\n這部分我們要等因為我們還是要檢查過還需要一些時間來做部長我可以請教創意私房現在你剛剛一直講說高檢低檢都有偵辦這一個現在這一個就是說我們針對創意私房有多少人這一個組因為我之前我已經公開講說我認為啊\n\n16\n00:05:54,361 --> 00:06:19,954\n法務部或是現在政府應該針對這個事件甚至跨部會成立一個跟衛福部跟相關部會成立一個創意私房打擊小組就是把這整個給一網打盡給抓出來因為很明顯嘛今天黃姓藝人的他的硬碟裡面有五百多個影像五百多個影像每一個影像可能都代表一個被害者一個加害者以及一個犯罪事實\n\n17\n00:06:21,223 --> 00:06:38,066\n我們說那個藝人啊他的什麼手機被扣了之後然後他去這個叫說打人計程車叫說打人都可以透過那個影像再去案外案再去查出來了那黃姓藝人的這件事情他的硬碟裡面又被扣後500多步\n\n18\n00:06:38,647 --> 00:07:05,572\n的這個影像那這500多部是不是就是直接證據是可以應該要把這個後面給抓出來黃姓議員的這些的這是由檢察官再去從公安裡面去挖出是去弄出來的是如果檢察沒有就仔細抽試剝檢去從他的硬碟裡面去抓出這些的檢案資料我們是不清楚有這個是所以我現在沒有否定檢察官我現在講的是說出來之後我們後續要怎麼做是不是部長這邊部長\n\n19\n00:07:07,725 --> 00:07:35,260\n部長不用急我今天是很理性的跟你討論因為我們共同都希望我覺得這是政府部門的一個宣示的態度就是說告訴所有人告訴所有民眾這樣的行為中華民國是不允許的台灣是不允許的有任何感染去加害去拍攝性影像尤其是未成年我們絕對不允許你也許逃得了一時逃不了一世\n\n20\n00:07:36,909 --> 00:07:59,406\n部長來請你態度的部分整省公分了這些以拍攝的這些為成年人的這些的性影像在這邊我相信絕對我們是絕對是查辦到底絕對不寬待我想這個態度這個我們是講這個檢查機關絕對是有個態度所以我們才會結合台北地檢跟台中地檢來做合辦\n\n21\n00:08:00,126 --> 00:08:24,625\n用這些專辦附幼的檢察官來全力查緝好部長這件事情我會持續追我想我提出來讓部長這邊更了解說現在的狀況那尤其是有這樣子一個被害少女被性侵兩百多次我覺得這天理藍濃他的兇手到底是誰這個我們會來查一定要把他抓出來\n\n22\n00:08:25,566 --> 00:08:53,825\n一定不能讓他逃離甚至我之前刑法222條未修正性侵過程裡面有用影像記錄錄出來的話就是加重性侵罪處七年以上有期徒刑一罪一罰兩百多次讓他關到死我覺得都不為過好不好好謝謝委員謝謝我們一起來努力謝謝洪委員謝謝部長我們知道麥委員已經在現場不過因為我先前已經宣告休息五分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4554\t15116\t主席謝謝好 主席請我們法務部正部長\n21257\t45075\t好 部長好 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那當然委員關心的包括這個販賣 販售的 上網的或者是拍攝者等等這部分檢察會都會嚴加來做一個那另外那個受被害人這部分那這個保護這部分我想會依照相關的法規來做一個來一個保護如果有不足的 那個我們再來修法\n334732\t352600\t這部分我們要等因為我們還是要檢查過還需要一些時間來做部長我可以請教創意私房現在你剛剛一直講說高檢 低檢都有偵辦這一個現在這一個就是說我們針對創意私房有多少人這一個組因為我之前我已經公開講說我認為啊\n354361\t379954\t法務部或是現在政府應該針對這個事件甚至跨部會成立一個跟衛福部跟相關部會成立一個創意私房打擊小組就是把這整個給一網打盡給抓出來因為很明顯嘛今天黃姓藝人的他的硬碟裡面有五百多個影像五百多個影像每一個影像可能都代表一個被害者一個加害者以及一個犯罪事實\n381223\t398066\t我們說那個藝人啊他的什麼手機被扣了之後然後他去這個叫說打人計程車叫說打人都可以透過那個影像再去案外案再去查出來了那黃姓藝人的這件事情他的硬碟裡面又被扣後500多步\n398647\t425572\t的這個影像那這500多部是不是就是直接證據是可以 應該要把這個後面給抓出來黃姓議員的這些的這是由檢察官再去從公安裡面去挖出 是去弄出來的 是如果檢察沒有就仔細抽試剝檢去從他的硬碟裡面去抓出這些的檢案資料我們是不清楚有這個 是所以我現在沒有否定檢察官我現在講的是說出來之後我們後續要怎麼做是不是部長這邊 部長\n427725\t455260\t部長不用急我今天是很理性的跟你討論因為我們共同都希望我覺得這是政府部門的一個宣示的態度就是說告訴所有人告訴所有民眾這樣的行為中華民國是不允許的台灣是不允許的有任何感染去加害去拍攝性影像尤其是未成年我們絕對不允許你也許逃得了一時逃不了一世\n456909\t479406\t部長 來請你態度的部分 整省公分了這些以拍攝的這些為成年人的這些的性影像在這邊我相信絕對我們是絕對是查辦到底絕對不寬待我想這個態度 這個我們是講這個檢查機關絕對是有個態度所以我們才會結合台北地檢跟台中地檢來做合辦\n480126\t504625\t用這些專辦附幼的檢察官來全力查緝好 部長這件事情我會持續追我想我提出來讓部長這邊更了解說現在的狀況那尤其是有這樣子一個被害少女被性侵兩百多次我覺得這天理藍濃他的兇手到底是誰這個我們會來查一定要把他抓出來\n505566\t533825\t一定不能讓他逃離甚至我之前刑法222條未修正性侵過程裡面有用影像記錄錄出來的話就是加重性侵罪處七年以上有期徒刑一罪一罰兩百多次讓他關到死我覺得都不為過好不好好 謝謝委員謝謝我們一起來努力謝謝洪委員 謝謝部長我們知道麥委員已經在現場不過因為我先前已經宣告休息五分鐘\n","txt":"主席謝謝好 主席請我們法務部正部長\n好 部長好 部長本席也很關心另外一個議題跟我們法務部這邊有相關就是這兩天又看到有黃姓藝人他又被破獲這個持有未成年的影像 性影像586部而且這586部的性影像最低 最小年紀的受害者只有10歲\n創意私房這個事情從去年開始延燒到現在我們可以先請教不針對個人個案但是整體的案件的一個調查是不是創意私房裡面的這一些會員現在都有在檢調這邊做調查\n報告我們非常重視這個問題的確是量刑公憤所以台高縣已經責成台中地檢來主辦台北地檢來協辦這三個地檢都有發新聞稿來做宣示現在是針對這個因為我們有看到八十多位的會員是有被\n剪掉 調查當中嗎?現在就在查 因為新聞稿有講 是好 那再來 本時要問的是那 影像的拍攝者他是直接犯罪的因為 您看到喔 來 這個是新聞新聞裡面講是說創意私房的會員涉及性侵性侵本身就是一個非常最大惡極的犯罪那 還要求學生拍學生證\n那所以他在現在我們所公佈的這一些資料裡面他講是說為了要讓這些會員滿足他們的授意私慾啊他還讓這個被拍攝者他有他的一個個人資料不管是他的社群帳號或者說他的學生證所以還可以讓創意私房的會員去找到這個學生那就是有明顯被害者再來我們看下一頁\n甚至還有傳出說有14歲少女被性侵200多次那我們現在要問現在這些影像是不是都已經在調查當中那這些犯罪者的這部分後續是不是有再持續的追蹤\n這個創意司法這部分就持續一直在辦那這部分委員關心的問題現在台中地檢就在處理了就在積極的來申辦中那我想我們也讓檢察官能夠有一個時間讓他去查本席現在會問的是主要在於是什麼主要在於是說我們要看到是我們整個法務部的一個態度\n而且重點在於是這不是說只是丟給一個地檢署這有兩個地檢署還有高檢署先跟你說你現在的做法因為我覺得這涉及到三個層面部長請您仔細聽一下本席講的第一受害者\n他過去真的有被受害而且是慘無人道的受害而他有可能如果說有這些影像的話是有可能找到這些受害者但是我們要極其小心給協助輔導甚至女警甚至相關的人員也許可以跟受害者來取得聯繫讓受害者能夠講出他當時被犯的犯行這是幫他恢復正義第二拍攝者\n怎麼可以有性侵的過程然後還拍攝下來拍攝下來之後然後賣給別人那拍攝者是誰但目前為什麼沒有看到檢調對於拍攝者這邊有任何的掌握至少媒體上面有看到以及第三高級會員這些會員花錢買這些影像就是該死\n說不客氣的他沒有直接參與犯罪但是他間接贊助犯罪間接支持犯罪這就是等同犯罪所以這三個層面的部分是我們到目前為止為什麼本行會拿出來我不針對任何一個人但我針對的是整體的案件因為這看起來就是一個犯罪集團有計劃性的犯罪被害者高達數十位甚至上百位加害者也可能有幾百位會員可能有幾千位\n那這一些都應該正義不是不到而是可能晚到但絕對不能不到那我們現在法務部在辦理的過程當中有沒有集結更多的力量去把這個犯罪集團整體的一個破獲我想這個犯罪是一個\n是一個集團性的 這個委員講得很清楚所以我們就是有一個專屬的來做一個針對這個創意私房來做一個偵辦 那當然委員關心的包括這個販賣 販售的 上網的或者是拍攝者等等這部分檢察會都會嚴加來做一個那另外那個受被害人這部分那這個保護這部分我想會依照相關的法規來做一個來一個保護如果有不足的 那個我們再來修法\n這部分我們要等因為我們還是要檢查過還需要一些時間來做部長我可以請教創意私房現在你剛剛一直講說高檢 低檢都有偵辦這一個現在這一個就是說我們針對創意私房有多少人這一個組因為我之前我已經公開講說我認為啊\n法務部或是現在政府應該針對這個事件甚至跨部會成立一個跟衛福部跟相關部會成立一個創意私房打擊小組就是把這整個給一網打盡給抓出來因為很明顯嘛今天黃姓藝人的他的硬碟裡面有五百多個影像五百多個影像每一個影像可能都代表一個被害者一個加害者以及一個犯罪事實\n我們說那個藝人啊他的什麼手機被扣了之後然後他去這個叫說打人計程車叫說打人都可以透過那個影像再去案外案再去查出來了那黃姓藝人的這件事情他的硬碟裡面又被扣後500多步\n的這個影像那這500多部是不是就是直接證據是可以 應該要把這個後面給抓出來黃姓議員的這些的這是由檢察官再去從公安裡面去挖出 是去弄出來的 是如果檢察沒有就仔細抽試剝檢去從他的硬碟裡面去抓出這些的檢案資料我們是不清楚有這個 是所以我現在沒有否定檢察官我現在講的是說出來之後我們後續要怎麼做是不是部長這邊 部長\n部長不用急我今天是很理性的跟你討論因為我們共同都希望我覺得這是政府部門的一個宣示的態度就是說告訴所有人告訴所有民眾這樣的行為中華民國是不允許的台灣是不允許的有任何感染去加害去拍攝性影像尤其是未成年我們絕對不允許你也許逃得了一時逃不了一世\n部長 來請你態度的部分 整省公分了這些以拍攝的這些為成年人的這些的性影像在這邊我相信絕對我們是絕對是查辦到底絕對不寬待我想這個態度 這個我們是講這個檢查機關絕對是有個態度所以我們才會結合台北地檢跟台中地檢來做合辦\n用這些專辦附幼的檢察官來全力查緝好 部長這件事情我會持續追我想我提出來讓部長這邊更了解說現在的狀況那尤其是有這樣子一個被害少女被性侵兩百多次我覺得這天理藍濃他的兇手到底是誰這個我們會來查一定要把他抓出來\n一定不能讓他逃離甚至我之前刑法222條未修正性侵過程裡面有用影像記錄錄出來的話就是加重性侵罪處七年以上有期徒刑一罪一罰兩百多次讓他關到死我覺得都不為過好不好好 謝謝委員謝謝我們一起來努力謝謝洪委員 謝謝部長我們知道麥委員已經在現場不過因為我先前已經宣告休息五分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.554 --> 00:15.116\n主席謝謝好主席請我們法務部正部長\n\n00:21.257 --> 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