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00:02:56,580\n好你講得很清楚美國的海關是以個案來認定所以你們建議台灣的廠商要跟美國那邊的進口商說清楚確定一下自己的產品會不會遇到這個問題但是前一陣子相關的輿情我們看到陳玉珍委員她就拿現行台灣已經有的自貿港區來作為一個對比但是我們研究過內容發現之後我們認為她是在造謠\n\n9\n00:02:59,281 --> 00:03:03,223\n也就是說相關的現行自貿港區的規範他所設置的地點或是開放的內容或是相關的審核其實都不一樣那但是呢我認為他可能會對金門、馬祖還有澎湖離島地區的居民可能會有誤解\n\n10\n00:03:16,868 --> 00:03:42,014\n說我們中央政府或是執政黨是不是在擋離島人民的生計但我要再次強調在他的法規他提出的修法版本裡面他要讓人中國的人中國的資金商品勞務機構法人自由進出我認為不僅沒有管制而且漏洞百出然後一個是地方政府自定模糊而且鬆綁而且非常混亂的可能性是有的那我認為如果是這樣的話我下一張\n\n11\n00:03:44,395 --> 00:03:56,339\n如果按照部長您剛的說法我可不可以這麼下一個結論因為陳玉珍口口聲聲說我們只要說他在習慘地他就說我們歧視金馬我可不可以下一個結論我認為我們沒有在歧視金馬反而過來我們要回過頭來想\n\n12\n00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:16,476\n在這個關稅貿易的風險之下我們如何協助金馬地區的居民讓生活真的可以變得更好產業發展真的可以更好甚至走出舊時代的思維因為過去金馬從戒嚴之後解嚴之後他們的發展從軍人離開現在只剩下少數軍人離開之後他們所能夠想像的產業\n\n13\n00:04:22,202 --> 00:04:50,884\n可能跟台灣的現實還有很大的落差我認為經濟部也好國發會也好我們應該要更積極來協助而不要再被一直貼上標籤說我們是在歧視金馬我認為我們現在要做的事情防止吸產力這件事情才是真正在幫助金馬不知道我這樣的結論部長你怎麼看是報告委員我舉一個例子這個中國的領主艦在墨西哥組成這個馬達美國的海關就認為說你這領主艦都是來自中國\n\n14\n00:04:51,644 --> 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那有請經濟部還有國發會\n好 吳安我想要談一下到底是自由還是門戶洞開那請國發會出來是因為離島建設條例跟國發會有關可是息產地這個疑慮我認為跟經濟部有關我需要部長您的專業來告訴大家到底這是息產地還是所謂自由貿易因為在陳玉珍委員的提案版本裡面他希望\n設立所謂自由貿易示範區而且他清楚地寫明讓人民、法人、團體、商品、資金、服務在區內自由進出我認為這是習慘地來下一張怎麼說呢我們來看一下他國的經驗目前越南跟韓國都努力在補漏洞\n他們都希望在對美關稅貿易這件事情上他們可以清清楚楚的說明他們的國家不會成為席產地的基地他們不會幫中國做這樣的事情因為這會影響到他們本國自己的利益但是我看到陳玉珍委員跟陳雪生委員的提案版本卻讓相關的土地可以變更環平可免中資可自由進出甚至是地方政府就可以主持這些事情我認為這真的是席產地但是我想問問看部長\n你的經濟專業可以告訴我你怎麼看嗎來下一張是 報告員原產地的認定部分我想台灣跟美國它的標準是不一樣的美國認為原料製造只要有35%來自中國那就屬於中國製造\n那我國呢則針對附加價值超過35%就認定為是台灣製造這個雙方有一些落差在所以美國原產地是由美國海關以個案的這個方式來認定是否有最終事實轉型\n這個考慮附加價值率比如說35%還是綜合考量的名稱特性用途是否改變加工過程的複雜性過去的判例解釋函領等等所以我們都是建議業者在出口之前要與美國的客戶充分的溝通或透過美國的海關申請預審產地以維護自身的權益\n好 你講得很清楚美國的海關是以個案來認定所以你們建議台灣的廠商要跟美國那邊的進口商說清楚確定一下自己的產品會不會遇到這個問題但是前一陣子相關的輿情我們看到陳玉珍委員她就拿現行台灣已經有的自貿港區來作為一個對比但是我們研究過內容發現之後我們認為她是在造謠\n也就是說相關的現行自貿港區的規範他所設置的地點或是開放的內容或是相關的審核其實都不一樣那但是呢我認為他可能會對金門、馬祖還有澎湖離島地區的居民可能會有誤解\n說我們中央政府或是執政黨是不是在擋離島人民的生計但我要再次強調在他的法規他提出的修法版本裡面他要讓人中國的人中國的資金商品勞務機構法人自由進出我認為不僅沒有管制而且漏洞百出然後一個是地方政府自定模糊而且鬆綁而且非常混亂的可能性是有的那我認為如果是這樣的話我下一張\n如果按照部長您剛的說法我可不可以這麼下一個結論因為陳玉珍口口聲聲說我們只要說他在習慘地他就說我們歧視金馬我可不可以下一個結論我認為我們沒有在歧視金馬反而過來我們要回過頭來想\n在這個關稅貿易的風險之下我們如何協助金馬地區的居民讓生活真的可以變得更好產業發展真的可以更好甚至走出舊時代的思維因為過去金馬從戒嚴之後解嚴之後他們的發展從軍人離開現在只剩下少數軍人離開之後他們所能夠想像的產業\n可能跟台灣的現實還有很大的落差我認為經濟部也好 國發會也好我們應該要更積極來協助而不要再被一直貼上標籤說我們是在歧視金馬我認為我們現在要做的事情防止吸產力這件事情才是真正在幫助金馬不知道我這樣的結論 部長你怎麼看是 報告委員我舉一個例子這個中國的領主艦在墨西哥組成這個馬達美國的海關就認為說你這領主艦都是來自中國\n那麼這零組件也有特定用途所以認定這個馬達的產地就是中國所以按照這個委員在講的如果在金門你所有的零組件都是在中國然後到金門組裝送到美國去他就認定這是中國\n好 所以這就是其產地嘛謝謝部長所以我想後續我們辦公室會再跟經濟部或是國發會討論我們到底如何避免這個事情發生我們真的是要幫助金門而不是歧視金門我們會舉這些例子讓委員來做這個背景謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.779 --> 00:10.936\n好謝謝主席投影片好了嗎好那有請經濟部還有國發會\n\n00:21.616 --> 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