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00:02:05,872\n我們現在在衛福部是沒有接到這樣的一個指示反正你現在會配合行政院就對了我們當然會做最好的準備\n\n7\n00:02:07,773 --> 00:02:24,134\n我先回憶讓您回憶一下我們上禮拜其實有進行這樣子的巡打啦你說教育部因為教育部那個時候當天還是那幾天就在樓下說他們預計兩到三週完成啦那這個是您回答我的我播放一下\n\n8\n00:02:33,137 --> 00:02:41,709\n您開始是說兩到三週你要配合教育部但是到最後呢這個質詢快要結束前你說其實你沒有辦法預測時間\n\n9\n00:02:45,575 --> 00:03:06,337\n那你說你會努力所以我說其實你還是沒有給我一個具體的答案所以上禮拜我們最後的結論是你原本說兩到三週但是現在你似乎又說可以配合行政院的一聲零下你又可以送了好那我在這邊讓您看一下\n\n10\n00:03:07,418 --> 00:03:21,817\n其實當我們陸陸續續質詢教育部或是質詢衛福部的時候大家的答案大概都落在還需要一點時間或是還需要很多時間沒有辦法給出一個正確答案那這個是上禮拜有一位具名的公務人員他是出來爆料說\n\n11\n00:03:23,098 --> 00:03:36,704\n他很確認他準備好的這些預算解凍報告拒絕提送立院審議只為了讓你們那個狗屁宣講可以繼續誇大再讓煽動預算癱瘓政府裂解這個社會這算什麼愛台灣這算什麼團結台灣這叫什麼勤政清廉愛鄉土後面是一點點髒話然後就說\n\n12\n00:03:46,170 --> 00:04:05,358\n對後面我就不用再多說了大家可以自己看螢幕好所以也許卓院長是害怕有更多公務員站出來所以他在昨天就說我們會盡快把全部的報告都送出來他昨天早上講的這件事呢馬上就有人又截圖文化部的人截圖爆料說\n\n13\n00:04:07,252 --> 00:04:24,843\n請各位把所有的解凍報告內容瀏覽一次喔而且他知道什麼地方可能會被抓出是早早就準備好的字眼早早就準備好因為他說提醒大家適時的更新相關的數據確認不要被解讀成很早寫好的報告\n\n14\n00:04:25,683 --> 00:04:47,612\n我在這邊也想要呼籲啦我想呼籲部長您體恤您下面所有的基層公務員因為您上禮拜說其實至少需要兩到三週或者還需要蠻長的時間那個時候我建議您好兩到三週沒關係但是呢把最重要的先送進來這個是我們可以接受您心中覺得最重要但是您也是需要兩到三週那\n\n15\n00:04:48,792 --> 00:05:12,005\n假使因為類似這樣子的文件我們又讓人家加班了就不好因為你一開始就說我們會全力配合我們會加班所以我在這邊也想跟你目前許多正義的勇敢的公務員說你們可以來告訴我因為之前我跟陳昭之委員都曾經在這邊呼籲有被霸凌的人可以來告訴我們當時我們有協助一個保發中心的\n\n16\n00:05:12,805 --> 00:05:39,278\n工讀生因此自殺身亡那這位主管已經離職了那當時我開了一個協調會後來我們也有發現有一個海科館的員工來跟我們爆料如何這個濫用公帑出國的事件現在海科館的館長也下台了所以我希望有看到這段質詢的公務員如果你們被二診如果你們很久以前就已經很負責的準備好這些解凍報告\n\n17\n00:05:40,419 --> 00:06:07,123\n但是呢現在有人逼你們在幾天之內確認這些內容還有這些字眼更新數據以免被發現是很早就準備好只是被押注不能送出來的話請你們告訴我好嗎那這邊部長如果你覺得你的同仁們其實需要更多時間你也不希望他們加班你可以在這邊具體的跟我們說一下說你不一定會配合行政院的節奏就依照你自己的節奏就好了\n\n18\n00:06:09,326 --> 00:06:10,088\n謝謝委員這麼體恤我們政府單位的員工\n\n19\n00:06:15,922 --> 00:06:31,452\n我從以前擔任立委到現在回到公務人員我都覺得當時我都檢討我當時立委也造成行政部門很大的壓力也深感內疚所以我說5點到3週沒關係因為你上禮拜就是告訴我2到3週\n\n20\n00:06:38,897 --> 00:07:06,143\n我覺得真的是影響我們公務人員的居家生活啦所以我現在很小心盡量讓同仁不要加班啦我們現在有你的三種答案啦我們現在有你的三種答案一個是兩到三週一個是你不知道什麼時候今天是你會配合行政院好那我們就來看最後我們是不是可以讓公務員有他們良好的生活品質我也不希望他們再改報告了下一個\n\n21\n00:07:09,243 --> 00:07:12,580\n我們來看一下這個要關心很多基層的醫療院所\n\n22\n00:07:13,885 --> 00:07:43,177\n好這個您當然剛剛已經有一些委員都有詢問過了今年3月底我們衛福部有推出一個醫院面對勒索軟體攻擊的應變指南這個文件裡面有說我們要求救公機關比如說NCERT或者是一個非公家的機關私人的基金會但是都缺乏明確的說明中央層級支援團隊是不是可以協助災後接手或是介入那為什麼我們會點出這個問題是因為最近被攻擊的\n\n23\n00:07:45,194 --> 00:07:57,845\n醫院他剛好就是比較小規模的那這個駭客呢他專門就是攻擊1000人以下的這樣中小型的企業可是我很仔細的翻了一下你們的這份報告你在這邊有寫說初期立即應對的時候必須要啟動一個事件應變團隊那這個事件應變團隊裡面有念給你聽有院長有資安長有資安主管有資安專職人員\n\n24\n00:08:14,638 --> 00:08:27,005\n還有應變復原組包括系統商還有事件調查組包括服務廠商還有發言人我們扣掉院長的話呢資安相關的人員就需要五個\n\n25\n00:08:29,551 --> 00:08:47,925\n但你知道長盛醫院這個被攻擊的長盛醫院他的治安人員就只有兩位只有兩位所以我想請衛福部提供到底用你們這個應變措施這個報告適用的醫療院所到底全台灣有幾家是不是還有很多人根本沒有辦法成立這個應變小組啊\n\n26\n00:08:50,336 --> 00:09:18,054\n我想今天早上已經談過幾次了謝謝委員關心這個醫療的治安那現在目前在我們的一個可能保護的應該是60家吧應該是60家那這60家也是關鍵所謂的關鍵醫院可能他的夠大型資料夠多所以必須要先保護那我們當然今天早上大家的討論也希望把這樣的保護傘\n\n27\n00:09:19,595 --> 00:09:42,697\n我們當然今天發生這個地區醫院發生事情我們也趕快去跟他做相關的輔導跟協助那是不是當然不是說爆發才去協助爆發才去協助而是逐漸把這樣的經驗擴展到全部當然為什麼會關係是因為之前我們被攻擊的是馬街醫院是您講的嘛比較大規模的有60家您必須要優先保護但是現在小規模的也很多啊它適用不了你這個手冊啊\n\n28\n00:09:50,975 --> 00:10:02,788\n目前我們資安法規定ABC級醫院所需要的資安人員是421那即使這個規定除了我們醫療院所之外全國的話資安人員都聘不到這些人因為這個資安人員太稀缺了\n\n29\n00:10:03,268 --> 00:10:27,289\n所以現在我們這個從治安署有演繹說我聽懂了所以其實我也希望能夠看到你們一份檢討報告第一就是說到底有幾家醫院其實不太適用你這個手冊因為剛很明顯的只要是中小型的醫院他根本不可能臨時啟動這樣子的一面團隊就需要你們公布這個手冊當初就是只有針對這60家關鍵基礎措施所以你必須要再做出一個新的手冊嘛對不對\n\n30\n00:10:28,294 --> 00:10:46,869\n那個不是我們業管範圍在資安署的規定我們不用去管那些東西那第二點呢這個也是呃陳情啦就這些醫療院所的陳情第二點你講到說你裡面提到因為他們會很怕這些駭客留守駐守或是進行第二次的攻擊那因為大部分的\n\n31\n00:10:47,529 --> 00:11:01,379\n威脅或是恐嚇都不是一次性的所以你提到說我們必須要長期監控機制還有持續定期等等但你裡面這個定期你並沒有寫明你的頻率你要怎麼輔導他們這種類似災後的重建\n\n32\n00:11:08,473 --> 00:11:25,548\n所謂的定期其實我們每一年都有做這個叫資安集合也有做相關的每一年對所以不同規模的醫院你是用同樣的現在這一切都只有針對60家關鍵基礎設施醫院這只有我們月管在這裡那超過這60家的話都是只有輔導性質而已對\n\n33\n00:11:27,093 --> 00:11:39,957\n好之後我應該會具體的在比較大的質詢我們可能跟行政院長建議是不是我們要拉近速發布的角色來協助你們建構我們真正的醫療韌性因為這千乎國安議題啊好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7202\t10464\t謝謝主席 謝謝委員 謝謝部長那我想邀請邱部長委員好部長好部長昨天相信你有看到這個新聞啊就行政院我們卓院長說了要在這幾天內解凍提出所有的解凍報告所以我想要在這邊請問一下衛福部是不是也會在這幾天內提出解凍報告\n34363\t48418\t我們一直在針對那個委員的要求那各部門一直在進行中所以如果時間有要一個時間的話我想我們會全力來完成那大概是什麼時候\n54578\t71189\t因為各部門都 我會去盤點各部門完成的一個進度那我們希望寫得更完周前 讓送進來立法大院的時候大院能夠滿意 能夠接受我們這樣的一個回應順利的來解凍 所以這個時間點我想我們會盡快盡快會是一週內 類似這樣子\n79083\t94293\t那個一周內我是比較不敢講全部有辦法完成但是如果行政院有怎麼樣整體配合我們也日月加班來因為這個是昨天講的因為行政院說有整體的配合\n95837\t109256\t會 我們會配合行政院來努力 因為總是大家一起努力因為我們從其他內部的文件看到行政院是要求各位是禮拜四中午以前這個你有看到這個嗎\n116127\t125872\t我們現在在衛福部是沒有接到這樣的一個指示反正你現在會配合行政院就對了我們當然會做最好的準備\n127773\t144134\t我先回憶讓您回憶一下我們上禮拜其實有進行這樣子的巡打啦你說教育部因為教育部那個時候當天還是那幾天就在樓下說他們預計兩到三週完成啦那這個是您回答我的我播放一下\n153137\t161709\t您開始是說兩到三週你要配合教育部但是到最後呢這個質詢快要結束前你說其實你沒有辦法預測時間\n165575\t186337\t那你說你會努力所以我說其實你還是沒有給我一個具體的答案所以上禮拜我們最後的結論是你原本說兩到三週但是現在你似乎又說可以配合行政院的一聲零下你又可以送了好 那我在這邊讓您看一下\n187418\t201817\t其實當我們陸陸續續質詢教育部或是質詢衛福部的時候大家的答案大概都落在還需要一點時間或是還需要很多時間沒有辦法給出一個正確答案那這個是上禮拜有一位具名的公務人員他是出來爆料說\n203098\t216704\t他很確認他準備好的這些預算解凍報告拒絕提送立院審議只為了讓你們那個狗屁宣講可以繼續誇大再讓煽動預算癱瘓政府裂解這個社會這算什麼愛台灣這算什麼團結台灣這叫什麼勤政清廉愛鄉土後面是一點點髒話然後就說\n226170\t245358\t對後面我就不用再多說了大家可以自己看螢幕好所以也許卓院長是害怕有更多公務員站出來所以他在昨天就說我們會盡快把全部的報告都送出來他昨天早上講的這件事呢馬上就有人又截圖文化部的人截圖爆料說\n247252\t264843\t請各位把所有的解凍報告內容瀏覽一次喔而且他知道什麼地方可能會被抓出是早早就準備好的字眼早早就準備好因為他說提醒大家適時的更新相關的數據確認不要被解讀成很早寫好的報告\n265683\t287612\t我在這邊也想要呼籲啦我想呼籲部長您體恤您下面所有的基層公務員因為您上禮拜說其實至少需要兩到三週或者還需要蠻長的時間那個時候我建議您好兩到三週沒關係但是呢把最重要的先送進來這個是我們可以接受您心中覺得最重要但是您也是需要兩到三週那\n288792\t312005\t假使因為類似這樣子的文件我們又讓人家加班了就不好因為你一開始就說我們會全力配合我們會加班所以我在這邊也想跟你目前許多正義的勇敢的公務員說你們可以來告訴我因為之前我跟陳昭之委員都曾經在這邊呼籲有被霸凌的人可以來告訴我們當時我們有協助一個保發中心的\n312805\t339278\t工讀生因此自殺身亡那這位主管已經離職了那當時我開了一個協調會後來我們也有發現有一個海科館的員工來跟我們爆料如何這個濫用公帑出國的事件現在海科館的館長也下台了所以我希望有看到這段質詢的公務員如果你們被二診如果你們很久以前就已經很負責的準備好這些解凍報告\n340419\t367123\t但是呢現在有人逼你們在幾天之內確認這些內容還有這些字眼更新數據以免被發現是很早就準備好只是被押注不能送出來的話請你們告訴我好嗎那這邊部長如果你覺得你的同仁們其實需要更多時間你也不希望他們加班你可以在這邊具體的跟我們說一下說你不一定會配合行政院的節奏就依照你自己的節奏就好了\n369326\t370088\t謝謝委員這麼體恤我們政府單位的員工\n375922\t391452\t我從以前擔任立委到現在回到公務人員我都覺得當時我都檢討我當時立委也造成行政部門很大的壓力也深感內疚所以我說5點到3週沒關係因為你上禮拜就是告訴我2到3週\n398897\t426143\t我覺得真的是影響我們公務人員的居家生活啦所以我現在很小心盡量讓同仁不要加班啦我們現在有你的三種答案啦我們現在有你的三種答案一個是兩到三週一個是你不知道什麼時候今天是你會配合行政院好那我們就來看最後我們是不是可以讓公務員有他們良好的生活品質我也不希望他們再改報告了下一個\n429243\t432580\t我們來看一下 這個要關心很多基層的醫療院所\n433885\t463177\t好這個您當然剛剛已經有一些委員都有詢問過了今年3月底我們衛福部有推出一個醫院面對勒索軟體攻擊的應變指南這個文件裡面有說我們要求救公機關比如說NCERT或者是一個非公家的機關私人的基金會但是都缺乏明確的說明中央層級支援團隊是不是可以協助災後接手或是介入那為什麼我們會點出這個問題是因為最近被攻擊的\n463677\t464633\t這個\n465194\t477845\t醫院他剛好就是比較小規模的那這個駭客呢他專門就是攻擊1000人以下的這樣中小型的企業可是我很仔細的翻了一下你們的這份報告你在這邊有寫說初期立即應對的時候必須要啟動一個事件應變團隊那這個事件應變團隊裡面有念給你聽有院長有資安長有資安主管有資安專職人員\n494638\t507005\t還有應變復原組包括系統商還有事件調查組包括服務廠商還有發言人我們扣掉院長的話呢資安相關的人員就需要五個\n509551\t527925\t但你知道長盛醫院這個被攻擊的長盛醫院他的治安人員就只有兩位只有兩位所以我想請衛福部提供到底用你們這個應變措施這個報告適用的醫療院所到底全台灣有幾家是不是還有很多人根本沒有辦法成立這個應變小組啊\n530336\t558054\t我想今天早上已經談過幾次了謝謝委員關心這個醫療的治安那現在目前在我們的一個可能保護的應該是60家吧應該是60家那這60家也是關鍵所謂的關鍵醫院可能他的夠大型資料夠多所以必須要先保護那我們當然今天早上大家的討論也希望把這樣的保護傘\n559595\t582697\t我們當然今天發生這個地區醫院發生事情我們也趕快去跟他做相關的輔導跟協助那是不是當然不是說爆發才去協助爆發才去協助而是逐漸把這樣的經驗擴展到全部當然為什麼會關係是因為之前我們被攻擊的是馬街醫院是您講的嘛比較大規模的有60家您必須要優先保護但是現在小規模的也很多啊它適用不了你這個手冊啊\n590975\t602788\t目前我們資安法規定ABC級醫院所需要的資安人員是421那即使這個規定除了我們醫療院所之外全國的話資安人員都聘不到這些人因為這個資安人員太稀缺了\n603268\t627289\t所以現在我們這個從治安署有演繹說我聽懂了所以其實我也希望能夠看到你們一份檢討報告第一就是說到底有幾家醫院其實不太適用你這個手冊因為剛很明顯的只要是中小型的醫院他根本不可能臨時啟動這樣子的一面團隊就需要你們公布這個手冊當初就是只有針對這60家關鍵基礎措施所以你必須要再做出一個新的手冊嘛對不對\n628294\t646869\t那個不是我們業管範圍在資安署的規定我們不用去管那些東西那第二點呢這個也是呃陳情啦就這些醫療院所的陳情第二點你講到說你裡面提到因為他們會很怕這些駭客留守駐守或是進行第二次的攻擊那因為大部分的\n647529\t661379\t威脅或是恐嚇都不是一次性的所以你提到說我們必須要長期監控機制還有持續定期等等但你裡面這個定期你並沒有寫明你的頻率你要怎麼輔導他們這種類似災後的重建\n668473\t685548\t所謂的定期其實我們每一年都有做這個叫資安集合也有做相關的每一年 對所以不同規模的醫院你是用同樣的現在這一切都只有針對60家關鍵基礎設施醫院這只有我們月管在這裡那超過這60家的話都是只有輔導性質而已 對\n687093\t699957\t好 之後我應該會具體的在比較大的質詢我們可能跟行政院長建議是不是我們要拉近速發布的角色來協助你們建構我們真正的醫療韌性因為這千乎國安議題啊好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 謝謝委員 謝謝部長那我想邀請邱部長委員好部長好部長昨天相信你有看到這個新聞啊就行政院我們卓院長說了要在這幾天內解凍提出所有的解凍報告所以我想要在這邊請問一下衛福部是不是也會在這幾天內提出解凍報告\n我們一直在針對那個委員的要求那各部門一直在進行中所以如果時間有要一個時間的話我想我們會全力來完成那大概是什麼時候\n因為各部門都 我會去盤點各部門完成的一個進度那我們希望寫得更完周前 讓送進來立法大院的時候大院能夠滿意 能夠接受我們這樣的一個回應順利的來解凍 所以這個時間點我想我們會盡快盡快會是一週內 類似這樣子\n那個一周內我是比較不敢講全部有辦法完成但是如果行政院有怎麼樣整體配合我們也日月加班來因為這個是昨天講的因為行政院說有整體的配合\n會 我們會配合行政院來努力 因為總是大家一起努力因為我們從其他內部的文件看到行政院是要求各位是禮拜四中午以前這個你有看到這個嗎\n我們現在在衛福部是沒有接到這樣的一個指示反正你現在會配合行政院就對了我們當然會做最好的準備\n我先回憶讓您回憶一下我們上禮拜其實有進行這樣子的巡打啦你說教育部因為教育部那個時候當天還是那幾天就在樓下說他們預計兩到三週完成啦那這個是您回答我的我播放一下\n您開始是說兩到三週你要配合教育部但是到最後呢這個質詢快要結束前你說其實你沒有辦法預測時間\n那你說你會努力所以我說其實你還是沒有給我一個具體的答案所以上禮拜我們最後的結論是你原本說兩到三週但是現在你似乎又說可以配合行政院的一聲零下你又可以送了好 那我在這邊讓您看一下\n其實當我們陸陸續續質詢教育部或是質詢衛福部的時候大家的答案大概都落在還需要一點時間或是還需要很多時間沒有辦法給出一個正確答案那這個是上禮拜有一位具名的公務人員他是出來爆料說\n他很確認他準備好的這些預算解凍報告拒絕提送立院審議只為了讓你們那個狗屁宣講可以繼續誇大再讓煽動預算癱瘓政府裂解這個社會這算什麼愛台灣這算什麼團結台灣這叫什麼勤政清廉愛鄉土後面是一點點髒話然後就說\n對後面我就不用再多說了大家可以自己看螢幕好所以也許卓院長是害怕有更多公務員站出來所以他在昨天就說我們會盡快把全部的報告都送出來他昨天早上講的這件事呢馬上就有人又截圖文化部的人截圖爆料說\n請各位把所有的解凍報告內容瀏覽一次喔而且他知道什麼地方可能會被抓出是早早就準備好的字眼早早就準備好因為他說提醒大家適時的更新相關的數據確認不要被解讀成很早寫好的報告\n我在這邊也想要呼籲啦我想呼籲部長您體恤您下面所有的基層公務員因為您上禮拜說其實至少需要兩到三週或者還需要蠻長的時間那個時候我建議您好兩到三週沒關係但是呢把最重要的先送進來這個是我們可以接受您心中覺得最重要但是您也是需要兩到三週那\n假使因為類似這樣子的文件我們又讓人家加班了就不好因為你一開始就說我們會全力配合我們會加班所以我在這邊也想跟你目前許多正義的勇敢的公務員說你們可以來告訴我因為之前我跟陳昭之委員都曾經在這邊呼籲有被霸凌的人可以來告訴我們當時我們有協助一個保發中心的\n工讀生因此自殺身亡那這位主管已經離職了那當時我開了一個協調會後來我們也有發現有一個海科館的員工來跟我們爆料如何這個濫用公帑出國的事件現在海科館的館長也下台了所以我希望有看到這段質詢的公務員如果你們被二診如果你們很久以前就已經很負責的準備好這些解凍報告\n但是呢現在有人逼你們在幾天之內確認這些內容還有這些字眼更新數據以免被發現是很早就準備好只是被押注不能送出來的話請你們告訴我好嗎那這邊部長如果你覺得你的同仁們其實需要更多時間你也不希望他們加班你可以在這邊具體的跟我們說一下說你不一定會配合行政院的節奏就依照你自己的節奏就好了\n謝謝委員這麼體恤我們政府單位的員工\n我從以前擔任立委到現在回到公務人員我都覺得當時我都檢討我當時立委也造成行政部門很大的壓力也深感內疚所以我說5點到3週沒關係因為你上禮拜就是告訴我2到3週\n我覺得真的是影響我們公務人員的居家生活啦所以我現在很小心盡量讓同仁不要加班啦我們現在有你的三種答案啦我們現在有你的三種答案一個是兩到三週一個是你不知道什麼時候今天是你會配合行政院好那我們就來看最後我們是不是可以讓公務員有他們良好的生活品質我也不希望他們再改報告了下一個\n我們來看一下 這個要關心很多基層的醫療院所\n好這個您當然剛剛已經有一些委員都有詢問過了今年3月底我們衛福部有推出一個醫院面對勒索軟體攻擊的應變指南這個文件裡面有說我們要求救公機關比如說NCERT或者是一個非公家的機關私人的基金會但是都缺乏明確的說明中央層級支援團隊是不是可以協助災後接手或是介入那為什麼我們會點出這個問題是因為最近被攻擊的\n這個\n醫院他剛好就是比較小規模的那這個駭客呢他專門就是攻擊1000人以下的這樣中小型的企業可是我很仔細的翻了一下你們的這份報告你在這邊有寫說初期立即應對的時候必須要啟動一個事件應變團隊那這個事件應變團隊裡面有念給你聽有院長有資安長有資安主管有資安專職人員\n還有應變復原組包括系統商還有事件調查組包括服務廠商還有發言人我們扣掉院長的話呢資安相關的人員就需要五個\n但你知道長盛醫院這個被攻擊的長盛醫院他的治安人員就只有兩位只有兩位所以我想請衛福部提供到底用你們這個應變措施這個報告適用的醫療院所到底全台灣有幾家是不是還有很多人根本沒有辦法成立這個應變小組啊\n我想今天早上已經談過幾次了謝謝委員關心這個醫療的治安那現在目前在我們的一個可能保護的應該是60家吧應該是60家那這60家也是關鍵所謂的關鍵醫院可能他的夠大型資料夠多所以必須要先保護那我們當然今天早上大家的討論也希望把這樣的保護傘\n我們當然今天發生這個地區醫院發生事情我們也趕快去跟他做相關的輔導跟協助那是不是當然不是說爆發才去協助爆發才去協助而是逐漸把這樣的經驗擴展到全部當然為什麼會關係是因為之前我們被攻擊的是馬街醫院是您講的嘛比較大規模的有60家您必須要優先保護但是現在小規模的也很多啊它適用不了你這個手冊啊\n目前我們資安法規定ABC級醫院所需要的資安人員是421那即使這個規定除了我們醫療院所之外全國的話資安人員都聘不到這些人因為這個資安人員太稀缺了\n所以現在我們這個從治安署有演繹說我聽懂了所以其實我也希望能夠看到你們一份檢討報告第一就是說到底有幾家醫院其實不太適用你這個手冊因為剛很明顯的只要是中小型的醫院他根本不可能臨時啟動這樣子的一面團隊就需要你們公布這個手冊當初就是只有針對這60家關鍵基礎措施所以你必須要再做出一個新的手冊嘛對不對\n那個不是我們業管範圍在資安署的規定我們不用去管那些東西那第二點呢這個也是呃陳情啦就這些醫療院所的陳情第二點你講到說你裡面提到因為他們會很怕這些駭客留守駐守或是進行第二次的攻擊那因為大部分的\n威脅或是恐嚇都不是一次性的所以你提到說我們必須要長期監控機制還有持續定期等等但你裡面這個定期你並沒有寫明你的頻率你要怎麼輔導他們這種類似災後的重建\n所謂的定期其實我們每一年都有做這個叫資安集合也有做相關的每一年 對所以不同規模的醫院你是用同樣的現在這一切都只有針對60家關鍵基礎設施醫院這只有我們月管在這裡那超過這60家的話都是只有輔導性質而已 對\n好 之後我應該會具體的在比較大的質詢我們可能跟行政院長建議是不是我們要拉近速發布的角色來協助你們建構我們真正的醫療韌性因為這千乎國安議題啊好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.202 --> 00:10.464\n謝謝主席謝謝委員謝謝部長那我想邀請邱部長委員好部長好部長昨天相信你有看到這個新聞啊就行政院我們卓院長說了要在這幾天內解凍提出所有的解凍報告所以我想要在這邊請問一下衛福部是不是也會在這幾天內提出解凍報告\n\n00:34.363 --> 00:48.418\n我們一直在針對那個委員的要求那各部門一直在進行中所以如果時間有要一個時間的話我想我們會全力來完成那大概是什麼時候\n\n00:54.578 --> 01:11.189\n因為各部門都我會去盤點各部門完成的一個進度那我們希望寫得更完周前讓送進來立法大院的時候大院能夠滿意能夠接受我們這樣的一個回應順利的來解凍所以這個時間點我想我們會盡快盡快會是一週內類似這樣子\n\n01:19.083 --> 01:34.293\n那個一周內我是比較不敢講全部有辦法完成但是如果行政院有怎麼樣整體配合我們也日月加班來因為這個是昨天講的因為行政院說有整體的配合\n\n01:35.837 --> 01:49.256\n會我們會配合行政院來努力因為總是大家一起努力因為我們從其他內部的文件看到行政院是要求各位是禮拜四中午以前這個你有看到這個嗎\n\n01:56.127 --> 02:05.872\n我們現在在衛福部是沒有接到這樣的一個指示反正你現在會配合行政院就對了我們當然會做最好的準備\n\n02:07.773 --> 02:24.134\n我先回憶讓您回憶一下我們上禮拜其實有進行這樣子的巡打啦你說教育部因為教育部那個時候當天還是那幾天就在樓下說他們預計兩到三週完成啦那這個是您回答我的我播放一下\n\n02:33.137 --> 02:41.709\n您開始是說兩到三週你要配合教育部但是到最後呢這個質詢快要結束前你說其實你沒有辦法預測時間\n\n02:45.575 --> 03:06.337\n那你說你會努力所以我說其實你還是沒有給我一個具體的答案所以上禮拜我們最後的結論是你原本說兩到三週但是現在你似乎又說可以配合行政院的一聲零下你又可以送了好那我在這邊讓您看一下\n\n03:07.418 --> 03:21.817\n其實當我們陸陸續續質詢教育部或是質詢衛福部的時候大家的答案大概都落在還需要一點時間或是還需要很多時間沒有辦法給出一個正確答案那這個是上禮拜有一位具名的公務人員他是出來爆料說\n\n03:23.098 --> 03:36.704\n他很確認他準備好的這些預算解凍報告拒絕提送立院審議只為了讓你們那個狗屁宣講可以繼續誇大再讓煽動預算癱瘓政府裂解這個社會這算什麼愛台灣這算什麼團結台灣這叫什麼勤政清廉愛鄉土後面是一點點髒話然後就說\n\n03:46.170 --> 04:05.358\n對後面我就不用再多說了大家可以自己看螢幕好所以也許卓院長是害怕有更多公務員站出來所以他在昨天就說我們會盡快把全部的報告都送出來他昨天早上講的這件事呢馬上就有人又截圖文化部的人截圖爆料說\n\n04:07.252 --> 04:24.843\n請各位把所有的解凍報告內容瀏覽一次喔而且他知道什麼地方可能會被抓出是早早就準備好的字眼早早就準備好因為他說提醒大家適時的更新相關的數據確認不要被解讀成很早寫好的報告\n\n04:25.683 --> 04:47.612\n我在這邊也想要呼籲啦我想呼籲部長您體恤您下面所有的基層公務員因為您上禮拜說其實至少需要兩到三週或者還需要蠻長的時間那個時候我建議您好兩到三週沒關係但是呢把最重要的先送進來這個是我們可以接受您心中覺得最重要但是您也是需要兩到三週那\n\n04:48.792 --> 05:12.005\n假使因為類似這樣子的文件我們又讓人家加班了就不好因為你一開始就說我們會全力配合我們會加班所以我在這邊也想跟你目前許多正義的勇敢的公務員說你們可以來告訴我因為之前我跟陳昭之委員都曾經在這邊呼籲有被霸凌的人可以來告訴我們當時我們有協助一個保發中心的\n\n05:12.805 --> 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