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00:00:52,427\n早安我想近期不管是國軍或者是外交部還有總統府甚至國安會都遭到這個共諜的滲透那包含立法院的這個助理那也有這方面的一個涉案的問題那我想要請教就是對於所謂的這個助理他們的背景其實我們的立法院尤其是我們立法委員其實對於所謂的這些來應徵的這個助理我們對他們的一個調查的背景其實我們的查核機制是不足的\n\n3\n00:00:52,947 --> 00:01:07,721\n那這個部分有沒有想有一些具體的一個做法那當這件事情其實發生之後其實關於那位盛信的助理他曾經短暫在我的辦公室其實待了大概不到20天大概16天的一個時間那我是主動把他請辭\n\n4\n00:01:09,002 --> 00:01:27,834\n那在他辭職過後其實這件事情發生我們是自己主動跟各個部會就是來確認就是說這位助理他有沒有跟各個部會來所知這件事情那目前因為他在我的辦公室待的時間非常的短他只有在撿袋子然後在做字卡大概就是這類的工作\n\n5\n00:01:28,334 --> 00:01:46,524\n那後來是因為我覺得他的個性其實不是太OK所以我請他就離開辦公室但是問題是對於所謂的助理他們來應徵他們的背景我們其實沒有一個比較嚴格的查核的一個機制或者是我們在審查的一個資源不足這個部分我們要怎麼樣來改善\n\n6\n00:01:48,341 --> 00:02:05,620\n基本上如果要涉及到查核尤其特殊查核的部分還是要有一個法律依據那目前我們立法院的助理或者秘書是沒有這個法案的依據不過這個可能要從修法面來走索那在這段時間還沒有法的一個這個\n\n7\n00:02:07,742 --> 00:02:23,593\n規範的時候我們建議是說可以採取教育訓練的方式讓各助理能瞭解到中共的滲透手法以及它所應有的認識以及它如果違背了可能涉及到的法律責任讓助理他們都知道\n\n8\n00:02:24,366 --> 00:02:41,089\n那是不是也可以建立所謂的這個匿名檢舉的一個管道就是說讓我們鼓勵這個助理們或者甚至委員自己本身或者是辦公室的這些助理他們可以用匿名檢舉的一個方式來檢舉某些助理他們一些可疑的行為\n\n9\n00:02:42,309 --> 00:03:07,476\n這個是非常有用的一個方式我們國安局也有網站都可以用匿名方式來做一個檢舉只要查證有這個有一個意圖的話我們會移給司法警察機關來做後續的偵查像國安部的政戰局他們一直對軍中的反情報的教育宣導確實很多的案件是從\n\n10\n00:03:08,996 --> 00:03:36,280\n地胸袍子之間的一個檢舉而發掘出來這個案源的來後續的懲罰是一個很有效的一個方式好那根據所謂的這些因為我們其實最擔心的就是他們在所知的過程當中有一些所謂的這個精明的資訊的接觸啦這個風險的一個管理上面喔那尤其是在員工在參與不管是我們的立法或是政府部門他們在溝通處理一些文件都有可能會接觸到這一類的這樣子的一個訊息喔\n\n11\n00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:56,028\n那我們怎麼樣來確保這個電子公文的系統防洩漏的一個措施除了所謂的加密啦存取追蹤啊等等這樣子的一個部分是能夠再更加的完善嗎這個有關於治安的這一塊的一個部分確實中共透過一個\n\n12\n00:03:58,149 --> 00:04:16,184\n透過一個往害的一個確密方式也蠻多元化的所以最近你看在一個暗網裡面有像醫院的那個這個醫療的一個個資外洩被害在暗網裡面倒賣的一個情形都有發生所以在整個治安的一個防護確實要加強而且很重要\n\n13\n00:04:16,624 --> 00:04:36,384\n我想這個部分應該是一個所謂的這個跨黨派的一個大家的共識啦那剛剛其實我聽到這個馬文君委員他也特別提到這個出國應該都要報備包含這個立委啊村里長啊等等喔這個相關的一些人員出國都要報備那我們也希望這個國安法案不要就是在野黨不要再擋了齁好那另外我想要請教一下這個外交部\n\n14\n00:04:43,775 --> 00:05:08,604\n市委員我想大家現在都還是在聚焦於美國川普的關稅的問題包含像美國他已經初步表示跟日本跟印度他們在關稅的問題已經有一些初步的共識了目前我們台灣的關於我們的外交的應該是說跟他們來做這樣子的一個談判的進度大概是在哪裡\n\n15\n00:05:09,549 --> 00:05:36,153\n我們根據這個新聞的報導我們這個行政也證實就是說我們已經跟美國商務部USTR已經有一個初步的接觸那麼其實包括像日本印度在內其實都還是在所謂的了解這個川普政府的一個意圖那實際的一個作為所以雙方是在一個善意的基礎上面進行互動那希望\n\n16\n00:05:36,713 --> 00:05:55,021\n那麼相關的這個對於相關的兩邊的這個癥結的一些議題能夠有一個比較好的誠心對未來能夠做一個比較好的規劃有沒有一個初步的時程的一個協議大概會落在什麼時間點因為現在這跟美國這要談的也很多\n\n17\n00:05:56,121 --> 00:06:15,818\n像委員看得到就是說我們在上上禮拜五的時候已經跟美方進行了初步的這個互動那麼通常來說貿易談判都會有比較長的一個時間那當然川普政府因為他們的這個作風會比較快速那我們現在也能夠服應現在的這樣的一個他們的節奏\n\n18\n00:06:16,278 --> 00:06:37,677\n那能夠盡快的跟他們那麼提出我們的這個改善那個台美雙方貿易的一個情況的一些具體的方案希望能夠為我們爭取到最好的一個條件好那另外一個問題我想這個我私底下想要問就是說洪都拉斯其實對我們表示他其實想要再跟我們台灣有更更密切的一個交流這個部分有\n\n19\n00:06:38,237 --> 00:07:05,467\n明確的一個進程嗎或者是我們將來會怎麼做我想在這個拉美地區很多的這個國家那麼跟我們斷交之後其實都因為中共的一些作為讓他們這個感覺到有受欺謀的感覺那麼其實很多的國家表示有意識跟我們接觸但是那個相關的政治情勢還是蠻複雜的那麼也不可否認的那麼中共在這個地區又拉的動作還是非常的強大\n\n20\n00:07:06,327 --> 00:07:23,186\n非常的多那麼我們會綜合判斷各種各樣的一個訊息然後對於我們的這個包括我們部長所提的包括在這個故邦榮邦以及在拓邦上面能夠有能夠具體的這個作為那相關的這個行程\n\n21\n00:07:24,307 --> 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那根據所謂的這些因為我們其實最擔心的就是他們在所知的過程當中有一些所謂的這個精明的資訊的接觸啦這個風險的一個管理上面喔那尤其是在員工在參與不管是我們的立法或是政府部門他們在溝通處理一些文件都有可能會接觸到這一類的這樣子的一個訊息喔\n217080\t236028\t那我們怎麼樣來確保這個電子公文的系統防洩漏的一個措施除了所謂的加密啦存取追蹤啊等等這樣子的一個部分是能夠再更加的完善嗎這個有關於治安的這一塊的一個部分確實中共透過一個\n238149\t256184\t透過一個往害的一個確密方式也蠻多元化的所以最近你看在一個暗網裡面有像醫院的那個這個醫療的一個個資外洩被害在暗網裡面倒賣的一個情形都有發生所以在整個治安的一個防護確實要加強而且很重要\n256624\t276384\t我想這個部分應該是一個所謂的這個跨黨派的一個大家的共識啦那剛剛其實我聽到這個馬文君委員他也特別提到這個出國應該都要報備包含這個立委啊村里長啊等等喔這個相關的一些人員出國都要報備那我們也希望這個國安法案不要就是在野黨不要再擋了齁好那另外我想要請教一下這個外交部\n283775\t308604\t市委員我想大家現在都還是在聚焦於美國川普的關稅的問題包含像美國他已經初步表示跟日本跟印度他們在關稅的問題已經有一些初步的共識了目前我們台灣的關於我們的外交的應該是說跟他們來做這樣子的一個談判的進度大概是在哪裡\n309549\t336153\t我們根據這個新聞的報導我們這個行政也證實就是說我們已經跟美國商務部USTR已經有一個初步的接觸那麼其實包括像日本印度在內其實都還是在所謂的了解這個川普政府的一個意圖那實際的一個作為所以雙方是在一個善意的基礎上面進行互動那希望\n336713\t355021\t那麼相關的這個對於相關的兩邊的這個癥結的一些議題能夠有一個比較好的誠心對未來能夠做一個比較好的規劃有沒有一個初步的時程的一個協議大概會落在什麼時間點因為現在這跟美國這要談的也很多\n356121\t375818\t像委員看得到就是說我們在上上禮拜五的時候已經跟美方進行了初步的這個互動那麼通常來說貿易談判都會有比較長的一個時間那當然川普政府因為他們的這個作風會比較快速那我們現在也能夠服應現在的這樣的一個他們的節奏\n376278\t397677\t那能夠盡快的跟他們那麼提出我們的這個改善那個台美雙方貿易的一個情況的一些具體的方案希望能夠為我們爭取到最好的一個條件好那另外一個問題我想這個我私底下想要問就是說洪都拉斯其實對我們表示他其實想要再跟我們台灣有更更密切的一個交流這個部分有\n398237\t425467\t明確的一個進程嗎或者是我們將來會怎麼做我想在這個拉美地區很多的這個國家那麼跟我們斷交之後其實都因為中共的一些作為讓他們這個感覺到有受欺謀的感覺那麼其實很多的國家表示有意識跟我們接觸但是那個相關的政治情勢還是蠻複雜的那麼也不可否認的那麼中共在這個地區又拉的動作還是非常的強大\n426327\t443186\t非常的多那麼我們會綜合判斷各種各樣的一個訊息然後對於我們的這個包括我們部長所提的包括在這個故邦榮邦以及在拓邦上面能夠有能夠具體的這個作為那相關的這個行程\n444307\t458957\t一部分需要因為兩邊還是有一個正在談的一個過程有部分要保密但是能夠公開的地方那麼如果有一些好消息我們會隨時讓委員跟國人能夠第一時間掌握好好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝謝謝郭一綺\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席。有請這個國安局的副局長。國安局。哎,我也好。\n早安我想近期不管是國軍或者是外交部還有總統府甚至國安會都遭到這個共諜的滲透那包含立法院的這個助理那也有這方面的一個涉案的問題那我想要請教就是對於所謂的這個助理他們的背景其實我們的立法院尤其是我們立法委員其實對於所謂的這些來應徵的這個助理我們對他們的一個調查的背景其實我們的查核機制是不足的\n那這個部分有沒有想有一些具體的一個做法那當這件事情其實發生之後其實關於那位盛信的助理他曾經短暫在我的辦公室其實待了大概不到20天大概16天的一個時間那我是主動把他請辭\n那在他辭職過後其實這件事情發生我們是自己主動跟各個部會就是來確認就是說這位助理他有沒有跟各個部會來所知這件事情那目前因為他在我的辦公室待的時間非常的短他只有在撿袋子然後在做字卡大概就是這類的工作\n那後來是因為我覺得他的個性其實不是太OK所以我請他就離開辦公室但是問題是對於所謂的助理他們來應徵他們的背景我們其實沒有一個比較嚴格的查核的一個機制或者是我們在審查的一個資源不足這個部分我們要怎麼樣來改善\n基本上如果要涉及到查核尤其特殊查核的部分還是要有一個法律依據那目前我們立法院的助理或者秘書是沒有這個法案的依據不過這個可能要從修法面來走索那在這段時間還沒有法的一個這個\n規範的時候我們建議是說可以採取教育訓練的方式讓各助理能瞭解到中共的滲透手法以及它所應有的認識以及它如果違背了可能涉及到的法律責任讓助理他們都知道\n那是不是也可以建立所謂的這個匿名檢舉的一個管道就是說讓我們鼓勵這個助理們或者甚至委員自己本身或者是辦公室的這些助理他們可以用匿名檢舉的一個方式來檢舉某些助理他們一些可疑的行為\n這個是非常有用的一個方式我們國安局也有網站都可以用匿名方式來做一個檢舉只要查證有這個有一個意圖的話我們會移給司法警察機關來做後續的偵查像國安部的政戰局他們一直對軍中的反情報的教育宣導確實很多的案件是從\n地胸袍子之間的一個檢舉而發掘出來這個案源的來後續的懲罰是一個很有效的一個方式好 那根據所謂的這些因為我們其實最擔心的就是他們在所知的過程當中有一些所謂的這個精明的資訊的接觸啦這個風險的一個管理上面喔那尤其是在員工在參與不管是我們的立法或是政府部門他們在溝通處理一些文件都有可能會接觸到這一類的這樣子的一個訊息喔\n那我們怎麼樣來確保這個電子公文的系統防洩漏的一個措施除了所謂的加密啦存取追蹤啊等等這樣子的一個部分是能夠再更加的完善嗎這個有關於治安的這一塊的一個部分確實中共透過一個\n透過一個往害的一個確密方式也蠻多元化的所以最近你看在一個暗網裡面有像醫院的那個這個醫療的一個個資外洩被害在暗網裡面倒賣的一個情形都有發生所以在整個治安的一個防護確實要加強而且很重要\n我想這個部分應該是一個所謂的這個跨黨派的一個大家的共識啦那剛剛其實我聽到這個馬文君委員他也特別提到這個出國應該都要報備包含這個立委啊村里長啊等等喔這個相關的一些人員出國都要報備那我們也希望這個國安法案不要就是在野黨不要再擋了齁好那另外我想要請教一下這個外交部\n市委員我想大家現在都還是在聚焦於美國川普的關稅的問題包含像美國他已經初步表示跟日本跟印度他們在關稅的問題已經有一些初步的共識了目前我們台灣的關於我們的外交的應該是說跟他們來做這樣子的一個談判的進度大概是在哪裡\n我們根據這個新聞的報導我們這個行政也證實就是說我們已經跟美國商務部USTR已經有一個初步的接觸那麼其實包括像日本印度在內其實都還是在所謂的了解這個川普政府的一個意圖那實際的一個作為所以雙方是在一個善意的基礎上面進行互動那希望\n那麼相關的這個對於相關的兩邊的這個癥結的一些議題能夠有一個比較好的誠心對未來能夠做一個比較好的規劃有沒有一個初步的時程的一個協議大概會落在什麼時間點因為現在這跟美國這要談的也很多\n像委員看得到就是說我們在上上禮拜五的時候已經跟美方進行了初步的這個互動那麼通常來說貿易談判都會有比較長的一個時間那當然川普政府因為他們的這個作風會比較快速那我們現在也能夠服應現在的這樣的一個他們的節奏\n那能夠盡快的跟他們那麼提出我們的這個改善那個台美雙方貿易的一個情況的一些具體的方案希望能夠為我們爭取到最好的一個條件好那另外一個問題我想這個我私底下想要問就是說洪都拉斯其實對我們表示他其實想要再跟我們台灣有更更密切的一個交流這個部分有\n明確的一個進程嗎或者是我們將來會怎麼做我想在這個拉美地區很多的這個國家那麼跟我們斷交之後其實都因為中共的一些作為讓他們這個感覺到有受欺謀的感覺那麼其實很多的國家表示有意識跟我們接觸但是那個相關的政治情勢還是蠻複雜的那麼也不可否認的那麼中共在這個地區又拉的動作還是非常的強大\n非常的多那麼我們會綜合判斷各種各樣的一個訊息然後對於我們的這個包括我們部長所提的包括在這個故邦榮邦以及在拓邦上面能夠有能夠具體的這個作為那相關的這個行程\n一部分需要因為兩邊還是有一個正在談的一個過程有部分要保密但是能夠公開的地方那麼如果有一些好消息我們會隨時讓委員跟國人能夠第一時間掌握好好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝謝謝郭一綺\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.290 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03:07.476\n這個是非常有用的一個方式我們國安局也有網站都可以用匿名方式來做一個檢舉只要查證有這個有一個意圖的話我們會移給司法警察機關來做後續的偵查像國安部的政戰局他們一直對軍中的反情報的教育宣導確實很多的案件是從\n\n03:08.996 --> 03:36.280\n地胸袍子之間的一個檢舉而發掘出來這個案源的來後續的懲罰是一個很有效的一個方式好那根據所謂的這些因為我們其實最擔心的就是他們在所知的過程當中有一些所謂的這個精明的資訊的接觸啦這個風險的一個管理上面喔那尤其是在員工在參與不管是我們的立法或是政府部門他們在溝通處理一些文件都有可能會接觸到這一類的這樣子的一個訊息喔\n\n03:37.080 --> 03:56.028\n那我們怎麼樣來確保這個電子公文的系統防洩漏的一個措施除了所謂的加密啦存取追蹤啊等等這樣子的一個部分是能夠再更加的完善嗎這個有關於治安的這一塊的一個部分確實中共透過一個\n\n03:58.149 --> 04:16.184\n透過一個往害的一個確密方式也蠻多元化的所以最近你看在一個暗網裡面有像醫院的那個這個醫療的一個個資外洩被害在暗網裡面倒賣的一個情形都有發生所以在整個治安的一個防護確實要加強而且很重要\n\n04:16.624 --> 04:36.384\n我想這個部分應該是一個所謂的這個跨黨派的一個大家的共識啦那剛剛其實我聽到這個馬文君委員他也特別提到這個出國應該都要報備包含這個立委啊村里長啊等等喔這個相關的一些人員出國都要報備那我們也希望這個國安法案不要就是在野黨不要再擋了齁好那另外我想要請教一下這個外交部\n\n04:43.775 --> 05:08.604\n市委員我想大家現在都還是在聚焦於美國川普的關稅的問題包含像美國他已經初步表示跟日本跟印度他們在關稅的問題已經有一些初步的共識了目前我們台灣的關於我們的外交的應該是說跟他們來做這樣子的一個談判的進度大概是在哪裡\n\n05:09.549 --> 05:36.153\n我們根據這個新聞的報導我們這個行政也證實就是說我們已經跟美國商務部USTR已經有一個初步的接觸那麼其實包括像日本印度在內其實都還是在所謂的了解這個川普政府的一個意圖那實際的一個作為所以雙方是在一個善意的基礎上面進行互動那希望\n\n05:36.713 --> 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