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00:01:48,331\n二十四小時這樣待命緊接著你還要接一些這個門診看門診還有跑社區還有轉診還有癌症的一個篩檢那這一些其實一天當三天用那觀光季節的時候一個月旺季的時候要湧入將近四萬的一個旅客原來他就四千幾個人你如果旺季的時候就湧入四萬個人但是我們去看這些數字\n\n6\n00:02:12,586 --> 00:02:17,747\n那這個台東馬街近四年的急診的病患人數增加了一萬醫師人力本來就吃緊啦那明年還有急診醫師要退休啦那本未來這種資源是不是撐得下去都沒有把握啦不然我意思是說綠島本來是醫生衛生所生的啦那你111年一個退休以後沒在的了現在剩兩個啦現在台東馬街一個月\n\n7\n00:02:42,293 --> 00:02:44,834\n一個去支援一個禮拜我看這個有時候不出事都很困難這種靠人情靠義氣的方式撐得了一時到底能夠撐得多久台東衛生局他們也很盡責也積極在招募區醫院裡面的醫生來去協助但是呢\n\n8\n00:03:05,950 --> 00:03:08,913\n大家每一個區域院的急診都到臨界點了沒人了所以柏廷我要問你就是你像力度這樣我們要為他籌謀這真的會出問題所以我要拜託你就是說是不是我們請部長能夠正面回應就是說我們去檢視一下離島的醫師的這些資源來啟動區域人力的一個媒合\n\n9\n00:03:30,973 --> 00:03:56,718\n你像比如說你說配合你說金門這裡的綠島還是南嶼南嶼現在三個就剛好其他是不是有多餘的人力這些公費醫生人力的一個配置如果發現有些地方可能比較充裕的可不可以跟我們協調短期輪調來支援綠島讓綠島的衛生所至少你可以達到基本的三位常住一室的一個配置嘛我不曉得部長你的看法好謝謝\n\n10\n00:04:00,701 --> 00:04:23,430\n台東的醫療真的是很需要一直來關注有時候要曬,有時候真的是缺乏那真的很感謝莊委員跟陳穎委員最近對台東馬介醫院他們解決他們住宿的一個問題我想這是一個missionimpossible但是你們達成了\n\n11\n00:04:24,870 --> 00:04:42,361\n我想會留住到台東馬捷醫院的一個醫護同仁的量能,這是非常關鍵的,在這邊真的非常感佩跟感謝那立島這個部分一直都是常常找不到人,每次立島的醫生又去換車\n\n12\n00:04:46,055 --> 00:05:14,225\n對於不好他就覺得他很犧牲他就走了所以我想全國的所以我們都會有面臨三地離島都有這種情況尤其離島的問題更是要注意我覺得我們一定要用盡辦法讓醫師能夠留在那邊譬如說台東那些在地培養的生\n\n13\n00:05:15,906 --> 00:05:26,657\n那個醫師是可以來看看在地培養的公會醫師我們根據過去是這樣子我也很多學生他們分到台東\n\n14\n00:05:29,088 --> 00:05:40,313\n想盡辦法就是早點買,要回去台北不然台東老醫生,都知道這年輕的女兒來就是要讓她老四年,每天晚上都要陪她們去老醫,那裡是長的都要買好花,都要祝這名,要買給她們活得很快樂\n\n15\n00:05:53,999 --> 00:06:05,740\n但是他還是兩年就跟你衝到台北來了所以對這些老醫生心情傷害很大我的意思就是說你如果是大台北大地你叫人去那裡\n\n16\n00:06:07,636 --> 00:06:22,342\n公會服務不一定代表台東的狀況你都知道啊代表你全部都了解啊那這樣我的意思就是說你111年3月1號本地破3個你現在有一個失調減一個嘛我現在不是在拿衛生索在發救命你知道嗎我現在是在跟你說你衛福部我們政府有責任喔\n\n17\n00:06:31,306 --> 00:06:34,610\n我們確實是有責任喔所以我剛才第一樣說的就是說我們要盤整化其他離島的公費生離開老剩餘的資源拜託來擊彎離島這一定來努力一定可以齁不是說一定來努力來...不不不不能只有一定努力喔你努力到成果如果零也是叫做努力就做白工去了\n\n18\n00:06:51,187 --> 00:07:02,497\n依你邱太元部長努力下去你說可以沒有結果那開什麼笑掉人家的大牙啦你有具體承諾啦好不好感謝莊委員對我的信心齁一定我一定對你有信心的啦你能聽感動的別想太多好啊好啊好就好後來再說嘛好就好一定來拚喔好就好你跟他說這樣好就好第二個就是說那個第一個方案嘛齁那其實我一直都覺得啦你像蘭嶼也是離島啦蘭嶼他就三個啦\n\n19\n00:07:18,424 --> 00:07:27,188\n啊剩下綠島的兩個啦那就很簡單嘛你那個幼嬰部一樣嘛你像譬如說你到蘭嶼去的一年公費生一年可以折抵1.5年啊你綠島就沒有啊你那個制度的設計就讓人家覺得沒有人性化我就不想去啦欸欸醫生也是人他也很會算的欸我公費生我去綠島我去蘭嶼我要怎樣一年折抵1.5我去綠島一年跟一年他就沒在研討先綠島沒有\n\n20\n00:07:48,247 --> 00:07:56,213\n綠島本來有啦可是現在沒有了啦現在就沒有折抵啦金門好像也有2比1嘛是嘛我要說的是只綠島沒有嘛你沒有這個制度只綠島你沒有了綠島人就不要去綠島一定要給你獎勵啊\n\n21\n00:08:04,999 --> 00:08:05,880\n我現在怕的是你這個制度設計同樣都是離島\n\n22\n00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:41,349\n你公費生兩年後出來900個可能會解決這個問題我是怕你這兩年裡面呢離島尤其是綠島你現在只有兩個醫生這樣馬街醫院一個月能去集完一個禮拜你這個醫療這兩年內如果再有一個\n\n23\n00:08:42,330 --> 00:08:45,871\n再辭職的話,你會崩潰掉我是提前給你示警啦你也認為這個是本來就政府的責任這不是說在衛生所裡跟他們說救命喔,我們這裡沒有醫生不是,是你四千人分隊就住在那裡你旅遊忘記,再四萬人,再四萬人回去是不是這個對整個醫療\n\n24\n00:09:02,535 --> 00:09:08,979\n這個離島這個部分我們本來這個資源我看醫療部隊的基本的領款我們不能碰運氣啦不能碰運氣啦那綠島就變成現在是一個制度上的漏網之魚我認為這不對啊我雖然不用來委婉委婉問問你我是好意啊因為你是我的兄弟啊你列島你沒有把它撐起來的話那要開什麼玩笑政府就失職了那些地理位置我們當然是比較在大海啊\n\n25\n00:09:32,675 --> 00:09:38,377\n我們一定用盡辦法完成任務好你這不是跟他承諾而已你給他先把他承諾就綠島的健康不要再靠這個運氣奇蹟和義氣來支撐好不好請放心我們再來有好幾種方式可以來處理這個你有辦法完成就對了你如果今年底一定要完成完成後你來我幫你鋪地毯我走到那邊跑\n\n26\n00:09:59,444 --> 00:10:01,787\n不用這麼辛苦但是我一定會努力完成謝謝部長謝謝謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t1230\t謝謝親愛的召委,好來有請我們衛福部我們邱部長喔部長久違了你好你在那邊給我吃八噸,做不到就不要去給我走過你這樣才有道理\n30840\t32782\t我想從賴總統到行政院卓院長還有到你都非常重視整個偏鄉的醫療的一個補強\n49259\t76917\t這點非常肯定啦尤其是本席在前陣子的總質詢裡面提出台東馬捷擴建的一個問題那我們中央部會也立即去啟動協調排除一些障礙現在速度也明顯在增加在加強那這個特別要感謝當然也特別感謝陳立委員去把台東縣政府要的那塊土地但是台東來講的話台東都不是只有台東市\n78218\t84881\t它還有綠島跟蘭嶼兩個離島啦今天的重點就是說綠島全島裡面都好像一間衛生所兩個醫生全年無休不是在輪班其實是在輪流撐住整個綠島的一個醫療那兩個醫生他負責的是什麼呢每個月你說1400人次的一個就診平均一天差不多50個人\n104189\t108331\t二十四小時這樣待命緊接著你還要接一些這個門診看門診還有跑社區還有轉診還有癌症的一個篩檢那這一些其實一天當三天用那觀光季節的時候一個月旺季的時候要湧入將近四萬的一個旅客原來他就四千幾個人你如果旺季的時候就湧入四萬個人但是我們去看這些數字\n132586\t137747\t那這個台東馬街近四年的急診的病患人數增加了一萬醫師人力本來就吃緊啦那明年還有急診醫師要退休啦那本未來這種資源是不是撐得下去都沒有把握啦不然我意思是說綠島本來是醫生 衛生所生的啦那你111年一個退休以後沒在的了 現在剩兩個啦現在台東馬街一個月\n162293\t164834\t一個去支援一個禮拜我看這個有時候不出事都很困難這種靠人情靠義氣的方式撐得了一時到底能夠撐得多久台東衛生局他們也很盡責也積極在招募區醫院裡面的醫生來去協助但是呢\n185950\t188913\t大家每一個區域院的急診都到臨界點了沒人了所以柏廷我要問你就是你像力度這樣我們要為他籌謀這真的會出問題所以我要拜託你就是說是不是我們請部長能夠正面回應就是說我們去檢視一下離島的醫師的這些資源來啟動區域人力的一個媒合\n210973\t236718\t你像比如說 你說配合 你說金門 這裡的綠島 還是南嶼南嶼現在三個就剛好其他是不是有多餘的人力這些公費醫生人力的一個配置如果發現有些地方可能比較充裕的可不可以跟我們協調短期輪調來支援綠島讓綠島的衛生所至少你可以達到基本的三位常住一室的一個配置嘛我不曉得部長你的看法好 謝謝\n240701\t263430\t台東的醫療真的是很需要一直來關注有時候要曬,有時候真的是缺乏那真的很感謝莊委員跟陳穎委員最近對台東馬介醫院他們解決他們住宿的一個問題我想這是一個mission impossible但是你們達成了\n264870\t282361\t我想會留住到台東馬捷醫院的一個醫護同仁的量能,這是非常關鍵的,在這邊真的非常感佩跟感謝那立島這個部分一直都是常常找不到人,每次立島的醫生又去換車\n286055\t314225\t對於不好他就覺得他很犧牲他就走了所以我想全國的所以我們都會有面臨三地離島都有這種情況尤其離島的問題更是要注意我覺得我們一定要用盡辦法讓醫師能夠留在那邊譬如說台東那些在地培養的生\n315906\t326657\t那個醫師是可以來看看在地培養的公會醫師我們根據過去是這樣子我也很多學生他們分到台東\n329088\t340313\t想盡辦法就是早點買,要回去台北不然台東老醫生,都知道這年輕的女兒來就是要讓她老四年,每天晚上都要陪她們去老醫,那裡是長的都要買好花,都要祝這名,要買給她們活得很快樂\n353999\t365740\t但是他還是兩年就跟你衝到台北來了所以對這些老醫生心情傷害很大我的意思就是說你如果是大台北大地你叫人去那裡\n367636\t382342\t公會服務不一定 代表台東的狀況你都知道啊代表你全部都了解啊那這樣我的意思就是說你111年3月1號本地破3個你現在有一個失調 減一個嘛我現在不是在拿衛生索在發救命你知道嗎我現在是在跟你說你衛福部我們政府有責任喔\n391306\t394610\t我們確實是有責任喔所以我剛才第一樣說的就是說我們要盤整化其他離島的公費生離開老剩餘的資源拜託來擊彎離島這一定來努力一定可以齁不是說一定來努力來...不不不 不能只有一定努力喔你努力到成果如果零也是叫做努力就做白工去了\n411187\t422497\t依你邱太元部長努力下去 你說可以沒有結果那開什麼 笑掉人家的大牙啦你有具體承諾啦 好不好感謝莊委員對我的信心齁一定 我一定對你有信心的啦你能聽感動的 別想太多好啊 好啊 好就好 後來再說嘛好就好 一定來拚喔 好就好 你跟他說這樣好就好第二個就是說 那個第一個方案嘛齁那其實我一直都覺得啦 你像蘭嶼也是離島啦蘭嶼他就三個啦\n438424\t447188\t啊剩下綠島的兩個啦 那就很簡單嘛你那個幼嬰部一樣嘛你像譬如說你到蘭嶼去的一年公費生一年可以折抵1.5年啊你綠島就沒有啊你那個制度的設計就讓人家覺得沒有人性化我就不想去啦欸欸 醫生也是人 他也很會算的欸 我公費生 我去綠島 我去蘭嶼我要怎樣一年折抵1.5 我去綠島一年跟一年 他就沒在研討先綠島沒有\n468247\t476213\t綠島本來有啦 可是現在沒有了啦 現在就沒有折抵啦金門好像也有2比1嘛是嘛 我要說的是 只綠島沒有嘛你沒有這個制度 只綠島你沒有了 綠島人就不要去綠島一定要給你獎勵啊\n484999\t485880\t我現在怕的是你這個制度設計同樣都是離島\n505253\t521349\t你公費生兩年後出來900個可能會解決這個問題我是怕你這兩年裡面呢離島 尤其是綠島你現在只有兩個醫生這樣 馬街醫院一個月能去集完一個禮拜你這個醫療這兩年內如果再有一個\n522330\t525871\t再辭職的話,你會崩潰掉我是提前給你示警啦你也認為這個是本來就政府的責任這不是說在衛生所裡跟他們說救命喔,我們這裡沒有醫生不是,是你四千人分隊就住在那裡你旅遊忘記,再四萬人,再四萬人回去是不是這個對整個醫療\n542535\t548979\t這個離島這個部分我們本來這個資源我看醫療部隊的基本的領款我們不能碰運氣啦不能碰運氣啦那綠島就變成現在是一個制度上的漏網之魚我認為這不對啊我雖然不用來委婉委婉問問你 我是好意啊因為你是我的兄弟啊你列島你沒有把它撐起來的話那要開什麼玩笑 政府就失職了那些地理位置我們當然是比較在大海啊\n572675\t578377\t我們一定用盡辦法完成任務好 你這不是跟他承諾而已 你給他先把他承諾就綠島的健康不要再靠這個運氣 奇蹟和義氣來支撐好不好請放心 我們再來有好幾種方式可以來處理這個你有辦法完成就對了你如果今年底一定要完成 完成後你來我幫你鋪地毯我走到那邊跑\n599444\t601787\t不用這麼辛苦 但是我一定會努力完成謝謝部長 謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝親愛的召委,好來有請我們衛福部我們邱部長喔部長久違了你好你在那邊給我吃八噸,做不到就不要去給我走過你這樣才有道理\n我想從賴總統到行政院卓院長還有到你都非常重視整個偏鄉的醫療的一個補強\n這點非常肯定啦尤其是本席在前陣子的總質詢裡面提出台東馬捷擴建的一個問題那我們中央部會也立即去啟動協調排除一些障礙現在速度也明顯在增加在加強那這個特別要感謝當然也特別感謝陳立委員去把台東縣政府要的那塊土地但是台東來講的話台東都不是只有台東市\n它還有綠島跟蘭嶼兩個離島啦今天的重點就是說綠島全島裡面都好像一間衛生所兩個醫生全年無休不是在輪班其實是在輪流撐住整個綠島的一個醫療那兩個醫生他負責的是什麼呢每個月你說1400人次的一個就診平均一天差不多50個人\n二十四小時這樣待命緊接著你還要接一些這個門診看門診還有跑社區還有轉診還有癌症的一個篩檢那這一些其實一天當三天用那觀光季節的時候一個月旺季的時候要湧入將近四萬的一個旅客原來他就四千幾個人你如果旺季的時候就湧入四萬個人但是我們去看這些數字\n那這個台東馬街近四年的急診的病患人數增加了一萬醫師人力本來就吃緊啦那明年還有急診醫師要退休啦那本未來這種資源是不是撐得下去都沒有把握啦不然我意思是說綠島本來是醫生 衛生所生的啦那你111年一個退休以後沒在的了 現在剩兩個啦現在台東馬街一個月\n一個去支援一個禮拜我看這個有時候不出事都很困難這種靠人情靠義氣的方式撐得了一時到底能夠撐得多久台東衛生局他們也很盡責也積極在招募區醫院裡面的醫生來去協助但是呢\n大家每一個區域院的急診都到臨界點了沒人了所以柏廷我要問你就是你像力度這樣我們要為他籌謀這真的會出問題所以我要拜託你就是說是不是我們請部長能夠正面回應就是說我們去檢視一下離島的醫師的這些資源來啟動區域人力的一個媒合\n你像比如說 你說配合 你說金門 這裡的綠島 還是南嶼南嶼現在三個就剛好其他是不是有多餘的人力這些公費醫生人力的一個配置如果發現有些地方可能比較充裕的可不可以跟我們協調短期輪調來支援綠島讓綠島的衛生所至少你可以達到基本的三位常住一室的一個配置嘛我不曉得部長你的看法好 謝謝\n台東的醫療真的是很需要一直來關注有時候要曬,有時候真的是缺乏那真的很感謝莊委員跟陳穎委員最近對台東馬介醫院他們解決他們住宿的一個問題我想這是一個mission 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