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00:00:54,133\n先請教移民署的同仁我們這個國人出國如果這一個出境的過程中那系統顯示這一位不能出國那你們通常會是譬如說接到司法機關的要求上面有註明這個人為什麼不能出國是這樣的狀況嗎大部分是這樣的狀況那這一個我再請教一下法務部\n\n3\n00:00:55,779 --> 00:01:24,662\n那司法機關包括這個可能包括法院或者是各地的檢察署那認為這個相關的人要限制他出境那限制他出境程序上你們就會通知移民署說這個人限制他出境不管用什麼方式就通知移民署那請問你通知他以後他持有中華民國護照他就不能出境了\n\n4\n00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,150\n那跟他有沒有這本護照會有關係嗎\n\n5\n00:01:31,678 --> 00:02:01,198\n就他的護照沒有被廢止也沒有被註銷嘛可是移民署那一關你已經通知他我們是對人這個特定人進行限制出境對對這個人限制出境嘛那他還是持有中華民國的護照對他有沒有持有中華民國這個人已經被限制出境啦他持有中華民國護照當然也會被限制出境啦對那現在這個羅志強委員跟謝易鳳委員兩位的提案實務上有沒有可能說這個你們沒有通知移民署\n\n6\n00:02:02,198 --> 00:02:26,963\n可是呢卻通知了外交部註銷他的護照呃這個是兩個不同的處分啊我知道現在的狀況現在的理論說這兩個可以並行的對兩個並行看起來是雙保險可是理論上是只要通知移民署只要通知移民署不管他拿什麼護照通知移民署這個人就不能出國了嘛\n\n7\n00:02:28,593 --> 00:02:38,649\n對那不會有一種情形是你沒有通知移民署但是呢你通知了外交部請外交部去廢止或什麼註銷他的護照\n\n8\n00:02:40,765 --> 00:03:09,873\n報告委員兩個不同的羈押的替代處分嘛那有可能啦但現實上當檢察官或法官他有可能兩個羈押替代處分都並行但有沒有可能他只做註銷而沒有限制他出境在這個實務上他就產生了有可能嗎因為個案上他的檢察官或法官判斷我們沒有辦法預測啦因為他是不同的羈押的替代處分嘛所以就是說也有可能是他的這個護照已經被廢止了\n\n9\n00:03:10,973 --> 00:03:37,418\n那最後也被註銷了因為你們提到廢紙跟註銷是兩件事那它被廢紙也被註銷了可是移民署那邊沒有被限制出境當然這涉及到外交部因為我們註銷他的護照嘛這是要外交部跟移民署之間的行政上的聯繫我們註銷是對他的護照註銷那我們限制出境我們直接講完就通知移民署他就出不去了\n\n10\n00:03:38,530 --> 00:03:53,099\n所以移民署才會是他能不能出去的關鍵嗎他最後把關的好那第二就是說這個把這一個這個國人他的這個護照給註銷了那全世界會不會知道\n\n11\n00:03:56,065 --> 00:04:17,600\n我們現在因為英文不是Interpol的這個國際刑警組織的會員,就不會有全世界知道這件事情譬如說他假設這個人他在這個司法機關還沒通知移民署之前他就拿了中華民國護照出境跑去日本了\n\n12\n00:04:18,721 --> 00:04:21,803\n那跑去日本呢這個司法機關說哎呀跑去日本啦這個人現在要給他通緝啦然後呢這個是已經跑了嘛對不對那這個外交部啊就廢止他的護照註銷他的護照可是他還可以拿著這本護照前往澳洲對不對\n\n13\n00:04:36,087 --> 00:05:00,702\n但是他出他在那個國家他所在地的國家因為我們已經註銷他的護照他離境或幹嘛他會要護照啊那個國家就會知道他已經沒有護照啦他護照已經被中華民國註銷啦教授我剛問你說我們把他註銷了以後那個國家會知道那我應該提問是全世界會不會知道他前往的國家他入境日本的那個因為他護照已經被中華民國註銷他離境的時候當然就會知道了\n\n14\n00:05:01,055 --> 00:05:29,857\n他離境日本的時候會知道那他如果在你註銷之前他就離開日本了他就跑去澳洲了那又回到下一個國家嘛下一個國家他同樣要離境的時候也會知道下一個國家就是澳洲第三個國家他也會知道他的護照被註銷了所以他要再前往第四個國家的時候他就會沒有護照了他就出不去了這就涉及到他所在地的國家要做怎麼樣的行政上的移民上的處理\n\n15\n00:05:31,311 --> 00:05:46,982\n那外交部有提到說如果羅委員跟謝一鳳委員等人的提案如果通過以後你們要修改這個護照條例請問修的內容大概會是什麼因為我看你們護照條例的第25條25條的內容是廢紙並註銷\n\n16\n00:05:53,769 --> 00:06:13,412\n那這個我看法務部給的意見說廢紙並註銷這樣的文字並不是很妥適啦可是我看護照條例的內容就是先有一段是廢紙後面才有一段叫並註銷嘛那這個文字上會怎麼樣來處理\n\n17\n00:06:15,277 --> 00:06:36,049\n跟委員報告那如果說在修正的版本是採取委員剛才所講的這樣的一個版本通過之後呢那實務上可能會發生一種情況是說當事人他可能沒有申請護照那又或者他所持的這個護照呢以逾越的效期所以草案裡面所提到的\n\n18\n00:06:38,309 --> 00:07:02,397\n廢紙並註銷那這部分在紙巾上面的話就變成說他沒有可以註銷的課題那這邊的話我們的領事事務局會去研析就是說以目前實務的做法而言的話那可能文字上要去做一些調整就把並改成或這樣的一個文字上的修正可是你們25條就是已經是廢紙原護照之處分並註銷該護照\n\n19\n00:07:05,575 --> 00:07:06,959\n25條原來的現在的護照條例是這邊的話\n\n20\n00:07:15,302 --> 00:07:44,005\n跟委員報告就是說因為實務上的確是有可能發生過所持的護照是預約效期所以用病這個字眼的話可能跟目前實務上的做法我們可能會再去做一個通盤的一個檢討所以如果這一個案子如果通過的話就護照條例的第25條裡頭的那些文字啊你們應該會去做我們會再去做整個通盤的檢討去因應目前實務上的做法去做一個比較\n\n21\n00:07:45,026 --> 00:08:03,570\n正確的或是說比較妥適的那這部分就再跟法務部或司法院大家就文字上因為現在看起來你們那個貨或者是病有一些實務執行上可能會有一些爭議最後我請教一個問題就是說如果司法機關最後誤會一場\n\n22\n00:08:08,677 --> 00:08:34,544\n誤會一場我把你的護照給廢紙又把你註銷了最後誤會一場沒事那他怎麼樣再回覆他的護照跟我們報告就是說因為目前我們廢紙或是註銷護照按護照條例都是經過司法機關或者是軍法機關的一個通知那實務上現行的做法的話大部分的當事人會提起一個溯源的一個救濟程序\n\n23\n00:08:34,984 --> 00:08:52,859\n那在救濟的程序階段我們會再去審視原來通知領事事務局然後去註銷或是廢止護照的原機關有沒有改變原來的處分如果沒有的話那我們這邊就不會去做更動那並且會建議如果當事人他覺得說這是一個誤會異常\n\n24\n00:08:53,860 --> 00:09:21,917\n那他的正伴應該是跟原來註銷或是廢紙護照的機關也就是司法機關去提起救濟那這個部分如果原來的司法機關認為說他護照是誤會註銷或是廢紙護照的室友是誤為一場的話那他會再通知我們那我們會把原來的處分給撤銷掉那他是要重新申請不用他撤銷掉的話他護照或者是被廢紙的那處分他護照可能在海外被你們沒收啦是\n\n25\n00:09:23,103 --> 00:09:51,982\n那他就要重新申請了是那這部分就算他自己去負擔了是吧這部分這可以考量一下就是說因為是司法機關通知嘛你們就把他這個註銷了嘛對那後來後來這個審完了就決定說這個其實沒有沒有那沒有的話這個當事人後面的這個程序請你們在後面的這個處理上也要納入考量好\n\n26\n00:09:53,223 --> 00:09:53,244\n市長\n\n27\n00:09:55,526 --> 00:10:21,923\n因為這可能是涉及到行政處分的救濟啦那因為我們通知他那個外交部就會做一個行政處分嘛那對這行政處分的救濟事實上如果到後來發生委員所講的那就是我們行政程序法上他就是處分後後來發生一個新事實新證據的話這個時候我們可以去撤銷原來的行政處分所以這是對行政處分救濟的這個制度上設計我們現行法的行政程序法事實上有它相關的規定好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11618\t26050\t好 謝謝主席 我們請這個移民署外交部跟法務部麻煩移民署外交部及法務部上台 謝謝委員好好\n27868\t54133\t先請教移民署的同仁我們這個國人出國如果這一個出境的過程中那系統顯示這一位不能出國那你們通常會是譬如說接到司法機關的要求上面有註明這個人為什麼不能出國是這樣的狀況嗎大部分是這樣的狀況那這一個我再請教一下法務部\n55779\t84662\t那司法機關包括這個可能包括法院或者是各地的檢察署那認為這個相關的人要限制他出境那限制他出境程序上你們就會通知移民署說這個人限制他出境不管用什麼方式就通知移民署那請問你通知他以後他持有中華民國護照他就不能出境了\n85560\t87150\t那跟他有沒有這本護照會有關係嗎\n91678\t121198\t就他的護照沒有被廢止也沒有被註銷嘛可是移民署那一關你已經通知他我們是對人這個特定人進行限制出境對對這個人限制出境嘛那他還是持有中華民國的護照對他有沒有持有中華民國這個人已經被限制出境啦他持有中華民國護照當然也會被限制出境啦對那現在這個羅志強委員跟謝易鳳委員兩位的提案實務上有沒有可能說這個你們沒有通知移民署\n122198\t146963\t可是呢 卻通知了外交部 註銷他的護照呃 這個是兩個不同的處分啊我知道 現在的狀況 現在的理論說這兩個可以並行的對 兩個並行 看起來是雙保險可是 理論上是 只要通知移民署只要通知移民署 不管他拿什麼護照通知移民署 這個人就不能出國了嘛\n148593\t158649\t對那不會有一種情形是你沒有通知移民署但是呢你通知了外交部請外交部去廢止或什麼註銷他的護照\n160765\t189873\t報告委員 兩個不同的羈押的替代處分嘛那有可能啦但現實上當檢察官或法官他有可能兩個羈押替代處分都並行但有沒有可能他只做註銷而沒有限制他出境在這個實務上他就產生了有可能嗎因為個案上他的檢察官或法官判斷我們沒有辦法預測啦因為他是不同的羈押的替代處分嘛所以就是說也有可能是他的這個護照已經被廢止了\n190973\t217418\t那最後也被註銷了因為你們提到廢紙跟註銷是兩件事那它被廢紙也被註銷了可是移民署那邊沒有被限制出境當然這涉及到外交部因為我們註銷他的護照嘛這是要外交部跟移民署之間的行政上的聯繫我們註銷是對他的護照註銷那我們限制出境我們直接講完就通知移民署他就出不去了\n218530\t233099\t所以移民署才會是他能不能出去的關鍵嗎他最後把關的好那第二就是說這個把這一個這個國人他的這個護照給註銷了那全世界會不會知道\n236065\t257600\t我們現在因為英文不是Interpol的這個國際刑警組織的會員,就不會有全世界知道這件事情譬如說他假設這個人他在這個司法機關還沒通知移民署之前他就拿了中華民國護照出境跑去日本了\n258721\t261803\t那跑去日本呢 這個司法機關說 哎呀 跑去日本啦這個人現在要給他通緝啦然後呢 這個是已經跑了嘛 對不對那這個外交部啊 就廢止他的護照 註銷他的護照可是他還可以拿著這本護照前往澳洲 對不對\n276087\t300702\t但是他出 他在那個國家 他所在地的國家 因為我們已經註銷他的護照他離境或幹嘛 他會要護照啊 那個國家就會知道他已經沒有護照啦他護照已經被中華民國註銷啦教授我剛問你說我們把他註銷了以後那個國家會知道 那我應該提問是全世界會不會知道他前往的國家 他入境日本的那個因為他護照已經被中華民國註銷 他離境的時候當然就會知道了\n301055\t329857\t他離境日本的時候會知道那他如果在你註銷之前他就離開日本了他就跑去澳洲了那又回到下一個國家嘛下一個國家他同樣要離境的時候也會知道下一個國家就是澳洲第三個國家他也會知道他的護照被註銷了所以他要再前往第四個國家的時候他就會沒有護照了他就出不去了這就涉及到他所在地的國家要做怎麼樣的行政上的移民上的處理\n331311\t346982\t那外交部有提到說如果羅委員跟謝一鳳委員等人的提案如果通過以後你們要修改這個護照條例請問修的內容大概會是什麼因為我看你們護照條例的第25條25條的內容是廢紙並註銷\n353769\t373412\t那這個我看法務部給的意見說廢紙並註銷這樣的文字並不是很妥適啦可是我看護照條例的內容就是先有一段是廢紙後面才有一段叫並註銷嘛那這個文字上會怎麼樣來處理\n375277\t396049\t跟委員報告那如果說在修正的版本是採取委員剛才所講的這樣的一個版本通過之後呢那實務上可能會發生一種情況是說當事人他可能沒有申請護照那又或者他所持的這個護照呢以逾越的效期所以草案裡面所提到的\n398309\t422397\t廢紙並註銷那這部分在紙巾上面的話就變成說他沒有可以註銷的課題那這邊的話我們的領事事務局會去研析就是說以目前實務的做法而言的話那可能文字上要去做一些調整就把並改成或這樣的一個文字上的修正可是你們25條就是已經是廢紙原護照之處分並註銷該護照\n425575\t426959\t25條原來的現在的護照條例是這邊的話\n435302\t464005\t跟委員報告就是說因為實務上的確是有可能發生過所持的護照是預約效期所以用病這個字眼的話可能跟目前實務上的做法我們可能會再去做一個通盤的一個檢討所以如果這一個案子如果通過的話就護照條例的第25條裡頭的那些文字啊你們應該會去做我們會再去做整個通盤的檢討去因應目前實務上的做法去做一個比較\n465026\t483570\t正確的或是說比較妥適的那這部分就再跟法務部或司法院大家就文字上因為現在看起來你們那個貨或者是病有一些實務執行上可能會有一些爭議最後我請教一個問題就是說如果司法機關最後誤會一場\n488677\t514544\t誤會一場 我把你的護照給廢紙 又把你註銷了最後誤會一場 沒事那他怎麼樣再回覆他的護照跟我們報告就是說因為目前我們廢紙或是註銷護照按護照條例都是經過司法機關或者是軍法機關的一個通知那實務上現行的做法的話大部分的當事人會提起一個溯源的一個救濟程序\n514984\t532859\t那在救濟的程序階段我們會再去審視原來通知領事事務局然後去註銷或是廢止護照的原機關有沒有改變原來的處分如果沒有的話那我們這邊就不會去做更動那並且會建議如果當事人他覺得說這是一個誤會異常\n533860\t561917\t那他的正伴應該是跟原來註銷或是廢紙護照的機關也就是司法機關去提起救濟那這個部分如果原來的司法機關認為說他護照是誤會註銷或是廢紙護照的室友是誤為一場的話那他會再通知我們那我們會把原來的處分給撤銷掉那他是要重新申請不用 他撤銷掉的話他護照或者是被廢紙的那處分他護照可能在海外被你們沒收啦是\n563103\t591982\t那他就要重新申請了是那這部分就算他自己去負擔了是吧這部分這可以考量一下就是說因為是司法機關通知嘛你們就把他這個註銷了嘛對那後來後來這個審完了就決定說這個其實沒有沒有那沒有的話這個當事人後面的這個程序請你們在後面的這個處理上也要納入考量好\n593223\t593244\t市長\n595526\t621923\t因為這可能是涉及到行政處分的救濟啦那因為我們通知他那個外交部就會做一個行政處分嘛那對這行政處分的救濟事實上如果到後來發生委員所講的那就是我們行政程序法上他就是處分後後來發生一個新事實新證據的話這個時候我們可以去撤銷原來的行政處分所以這是對行政處分救濟的這個制度上設計我們現行法的行政程序法事實上有它相關的規定好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請這個移民署外交部跟法務部麻煩移民署外交部及法務部上台 謝謝委員好好\n先請教移民署的同仁我們這個國人出國如果這一個出境的過程中那系統顯示這一位不能出國那你們通常會是譬如說接到司法機關的要求上面有註明這個人為什麼不能出國是這樣的狀況嗎大部分是這樣的狀況那這一個我再請教一下法務部\n那司法機關包括這個可能包括法院或者是各地的檢察署那認為這個相關的人要限制他出境那限制他出境程序上你們就會通知移民署說這個人限制他出境不管用什麼方式就通知移民署那請問你通知他以後他持有中華民國護照他就不能出境了\n那跟他有沒有這本護照會有關係嗎\n就他的護照沒有被廢止也沒有被註銷嘛可是移民署那一關你已經通知他我們是對人這個特定人進行限制出境對對這個人限制出境嘛那他還是持有中華民國的護照對他有沒有持有中華民國這個人已經被限制出境啦他持有中華民國護照當然也會被限制出境啦對那現在這個羅志強委員跟謝易鳳委員兩位的提案實務上有沒有可能說這個你們沒有通知移民署\n可是呢 卻通知了外交部 註銷他的護照呃 這個是兩個不同的處分啊我知道 現在的狀況 現在的理論說這兩個可以並行的對 兩個並行 看起來是雙保險可是 理論上是 只要通知移民署只要通知移民署 不管他拿什麼護照通知移民署 這個人就不能出國了嘛\n對那不會有一種情形是你沒有通知移民署但是呢你通知了外交部請外交部去廢止或什麼註銷他的護照\n報告委員 兩個不同的羈押的替代處分嘛那有可能啦但現實上當檢察官或法官他有可能兩個羈押替代處分都並行但有沒有可能他只做註銷而沒有限制他出境在這個實務上他就產生了有可能嗎因為個案上他的檢察官或法官判斷我們沒有辦法預測啦因為他是不同的羈押的替代處分嘛所以就是說也有可能是他的這個護照已經被廢止了\n那最後也被註銷了因為你們提到廢紙跟註銷是兩件事那它被廢紙也被註銷了可是移民署那邊沒有被限制出境當然這涉及到外交部因為我們註銷他的護照嘛這是要外交部跟移民署之間的行政上的聯繫我們註銷是對他的護照註銷那我們限制出境我們直接講完就通知移民署他就出不去了\n所以移民署才會是他能不能出去的關鍵嗎他最後把關的好那第二就是說這個把這一個這個國人他的這個護照給註銷了那全世界會不會知道\n我們現在因為英文不是Interpol的這個國際刑警組織的會員,就不會有全世界知道這件事情譬如說他假設這個人他在這個司法機關還沒通知移民署之前他就拿了中華民國護照出境跑去日本了\n那跑去日本呢 這個司法機關說 哎呀 跑去日本啦這個人現在要給他通緝啦然後呢 這個是已經跑了嘛 對不對那這個外交部啊 就廢止他的護照 註銷他的護照可是他還可以拿著這本護照前往澳洲 對不對\n但是他出 他在那個國家 他所在地的國家 因為我們已經註銷他的護照他離境或幹嘛 他會要護照啊 那個國家就會知道他已經沒有護照啦他護照已經被中華民國註銷啦教授我剛問你說我們把他註銷了以後那個國家會知道 那我應該提問是全世界會不會知道他前往的國家 他入境日本的那個因為他護照已經被中華民國註銷 他離境的時候當然就會知道了\n他離境日本的時候會知道那他如果在你註銷之前他就離開日本了他就跑去澳洲了那又回到下一個國家嘛下一個國家他同樣要離境的時候也會知道下一個國家就是澳洲第三個國家他也會知道他的護照被註銷了所以他要再前往第四個國家的時候他就會沒有護照了他就出不去了這就涉及到他所在地的國家要做怎麼樣的行政上的移民上的處理\n那外交部有提到說如果羅委員跟謝一鳳委員等人的提案如果通過以後你們要修改這個護照條例請問修的內容大概會是什麼因為我看你們護照條例的第25條25條的內容是廢紙並註銷\n那這個我看法務部給的意見說廢紙並註銷這樣的文字並不是很妥適啦可是我看護照條例的內容就是先有一段是廢紙後面才有一段叫並註銷嘛那這個文字上會怎麼樣來處理\n跟委員報告那如果說在修正的版本是採取委員剛才所講的這樣的一個版本通過之後呢那實務上可能會發生一種情況是說當事人他可能沒有申請護照那又或者他所持的這個護照呢以逾越的效期所以草案裡面所提到的\n廢紙並註銷那這部分在紙巾上面的話就變成說他沒有可以註銷的課題那這邊的話我們的領事事務局會去研析就是說以目前實務的做法而言的話那可能文字上要去做一些調整就把並改成或這樣的一個文字上的修正可是你們25條就是已經是廢紙原護照之處分並註銷該護照\n25條原來的現在的護照條例是這邊的話\n跟委員報告就是說因為實務上的確是有可能發生過所持的護照是預約效期所以用病這個字眼的話可能跟目前實務上的做法我們可能會再去做一個通盤的一個檢討所以如果這一個案子如果通過的話就護照條例的第25條裡頭的那些文字啊你們應該會去做我們會再去做整個通盤的檢討去因應目前實務上的做法去做一個比較\n正確的或是說比較妥適的那這部分就再跟法務部或司法院大家就文字上因為現在看起來你們那個貨或者是病有一些實務執行上可能會有一些爭議最後我請教一個問題就是說如果司法機關最後誤會一場\n誤會一場 我把你的護照給廢紙 又把你註銷了最後誤會一場 沒事那他怎麼樣再回覆他的護照跟我們報告就是說因為目前我們廢紙或是註銷護照按護照條例都是經過司法機關或者是軍法機關的一個通知那實務上現行的做法的話大部分的當事人會提起一個溯源的一個救濟程序\n那在救濟的程序階段我們會再去審視原來通知領事事務局然後去註銷或是廢止護照的原機關有沒有改變原來的處分如果沒有的話那我們這邊就不會去做更動那並且會建議如果當事人他覺得說這是一個誤會異常\n那他的正伴應該是跟原來註銷或是廢紙護照的機關也就是司法機關去提起救濟那這個部分如果原來的司法機關認為說他護照是誤會註銷或是廢紙護照的室友是誤為一場的話那他會再通知我們那我們會把原來的處分給撤銷掉那他是要重新申請不用 他撤銷掉的話他護照或者是被廢紙的那處分他護照可能在海外被你們沒收啦是\n那他就要重新申請了是那這部分就算他自己去負擔了是吧這部分這可以考量一下就是說因為是司法機關通知嘛你們就把他這個註銷了嘛對那後來後來這個審完了就決定說這個其實沒有沒有那沒有的話這個當事人後面的這個程序請你們在後面的這個處理上也要納入考量好\n市長\n因為這可能是涉及到行政處分的救濟啦那因為我們通知他那個外交部就會做一個行政處分嘛那對這行政處分的救濟事實上如果到後來發生委員所講的那就是我們行政程序法上他就是處分後後來發生一個新事實新證據的話這個時候我們可以去撤銷原來的行政處分所以這是對行政處分救濟的這個制度上設計我們現行法的行政程序法事實上有它相關的規定好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.618 --> 00:26.050\n好謝謝主席我們請這個移民署外交部跟法務部麻煩移民署外交部及法務部上台謝謝委員好好\n\n00:27.868 --> 00:54.133\n先請教移民署的同仁我們這個國人出國如果這一個出境的過程中那系統顯示這一位不能出國那你們通常會是譬如說接到司法機關的要求上面有註明這個人為什麼不能出國是這樣的狀況嗎大部分是這樣的狀況那這一個我再請教一下法務部\n\n00:55.779 --> 01:24.662\n那司法機關包括這個可能包括法院或者是各地的檢察署那認為這個相關的人要限制他出境那限制他出境程序上你們就會通知移民署說這個人限制他出境不管用什麼方式就通知移民署那請問你通知他以後他持有中華民國護照他就不能出境了\n\n01:25.560 --> 01:27.150\n那跟他有沒有這本護照會有關係嗎\n\n01:31.678 --> 02:01.198\n就他的護照沒有被廢止也沒有被註銷嘛可是移民署那一關你已經通知他我們是對人這個特定人進行限制出境對對這個人限制出境嘛那他還是持有中華民國的護照對他有沒有持有中華民國這個人已經被限制出境啦他持有中華民國護照當然也會被限制出境啦對那現在這個羅志強委員跟謝易鳳委員兩位的提案實務上有沒有可能說這個你們沒有通知移民署\n\n02:02.198 --> 02:26.963\n可是呢卻通知了外交部註銷他的護照呃這個是兩個不同的處分啊我知道現在的狀況現在的理論說這兩個可以並行的對兩個並行看起來是雙保險可是理論上是只要通知移民署只要通知移民署不管他拿什麼護照通知移民署這個人就不能出國了嘛\n\n02:28.593 --> 02:38.649\n對那不會有一種情形是你沒有通知移民署但是呢你通知了外交部請外交部去廢止或什麼註銷他的護照\n\n02:40.765 --> 03:09.873\n報告委員兩個不同的羈押的替代處分嘛那有可能啦但現實上當檢察官或法官他有可能兩個羈押替代處分都並行但有沒有可能他只做註銷而沒有限制他出境在這個實務上他就產生了有可能嗎因為個案上他的檢察官或法官判斷我們沒有辦法預測啦因為他是不同的羈押的替代處分嘛所以就是說也有可能是他的這個護照已經被廢止了\n\n03:10.973 --> 03:37.418\n那最後也被註銷了因為你們提到廢紙跟註銷是兩件事那它被廢紙也被註銷了可是移民署那邊沒有被限制出境當然這涉及到外交部因為我們註銷他的護照嘛這是要外交部跟移民署之間的行政上的聯繫我們註銷是對他的護照註銷那我們限制出境我們直接講完就通知移民署他就出不去了\n\n03:38.530 --> 03:53.099\n所以移民署才會是他能不能出去的關鍵嗎他最後把關的好那第二就是說這個把這一個這個國人他的這個護照給註銷了那全世界會不會知道\n\n03:56.065 --> 04:17.600\n我們現在因為英文不是Interpol的這個國際刑警組織的會員,就不會有全世界知道這件事情譬如說他假設這個人他在這個司法機關還沒通知移民署之前他就拿了中華民國護照出境跑去日本了\n\n04:18.721 --> 04:21.803\n那跑去日本呢這個司法機關說哎呀跑去日本啦這個人現在要給他通緝啦然後呢這個是已經跑了嘛對不對那這個外交部啊就廢止他的護照註銷他的護照可是他還可以拿著這本護照前往澳洲對不對\n\n04:36.087 --> 05:00.702\n但是他出他在那個國家他所在地的國家因為我們已經註銷他的護照他離境或幹嘛他會要護照啊那個國家就會知道他已經沒有護照啦他護照已經被中華民國註銷啦教授我剛問你說我們把他註銷了以後那個國家會知道那我應該提問是全世界會不會知道他前往的國家他入境日本的那個因為他護照已經被中華民國註銷他離境的時候當然就會知道了\n\n05:01.055 --> 05:29.857\n他離境日本的時候會知道那他如果在你註銷之前他就離開日本了他就跑去澳洲了那又回到下一個國家嘛下一個國家他同樣要離境的時候也會知道下一個國家就是澳洲第三個國家他也會知道他的護照被註銷了所以他要再前往第四個國家的時候他就會沒有護照了他就出不去了這就涉及到他所在地的國家要做怎麼樣的行政上的移民上的處理\n\n05:31.311 --> 05:46.982\n那外交部有提到說如果羅委員跟謝一鳳委員等人的提案如果通過以後你們要修改這個護照條例請問修的內容大概會是什麼因為我看你們護照條例的第25條25條的內容是廢紙並註銷\n\n05:53.769 --> 06:13.412\n那這個我看法務部給的意見說廢紙並註銷這樣的文字並不是很妥適啦可是我看護照條例的內容就是先有一段是廢紙後面才有一段叫並註銷嘛那這個文字上會怎麼樣來處理\n\n06:15.277 --> 06:36.049\n跟委員報告那如果說在修正的版本是採取委員剛才所講的這樣的一個版本通過之後呢那實務上可能會發生一種情況是說當事人他可能沒有申請護照那又或者他所持的這個護照呢以逾越的效期所以草案裡面所提到的\n\n06:38.309 --> 07:02.397\n廢紙並註銷那這部分在紙巾上面的話就變成說他沒有可以註銷的課題那這邊的話我們的領事事務局會去研析就是說以目前實務的做法而言的話那可能文字上要去做一些調整就把並改成或這樣的一個文字上的修正可是你們25條就是已經是廢紙原護照之處分並註銷該護照\n\n07:05.575 --> 07:06.959\n25條原來的現在的護照條例是這邊的話\n\n07:15.302 --> 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