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00:02:48,601\n這個高風險輻射源的位置已經確定了嗎現在已經正在進行中那什麼時候會什麼時候你所謂的這個高風險的控管的機制這個機制比較具體的一個說法或者比較具體的一個做法是什麼這點我請主長跟大家講細節\n\n9\n00:03:02,236 --> 00:03:17,848\n報告委員那我們現在是一個雙軌的一個概念就是剛剛陳如委員所說的在法規的一個修法上我們現在在持續的在推動那在輔導業者的一個法尊上我們就是現在已經開始去做一些輔導的計畫我們是用\n\n10\n00:03:20,250 --> 00:03:47,767\n現行的GPS的一個車用的GPS來去做這個運送過程中的追蹤那至於我們現在這是強制性的呢還是說輔導現在是現在只是輔導對對對先讓他們在這一塊未來的配套方案可以執行的上來那目前輔導的這個期程是從什麼時候開始什麼時候要輔導完畢什麼時候要有一些所謂的規範跟比較強制性的一個強制性他們要來做這樣子的一個\n\n11\n00:03:49,267 --> 00:03:56,590\n監測的一個設備的工作那目前的一個輔導我們是都目前是並沒有強制但是也沒有一旦上線了我們目前是打算不會退場但是因為有一些即時會有收到各自業者各自的所以我們在這部分我們就是會促進修法的一個授權因為我剛剛有提到\n\n12\n00:04:13,815 --> 00:04:31,124\n因為我剛剛有提到關於這個運送的規則已經大概將近有十幾年沒修了大概將近有17年沒修了那這個部分其實我們是不是也要來同步的更新跟修正對我們現在也在著手在探討這個運送規則所以在這部分我們也會來去辦理中好那輔導的這個盤點就是你們輔導的一個對象跟整個所有的一些數量應該要盤點的這些數量其實到時候可以再提供給我辦公室嗎好可以\n\n13\n00:04:43,550 --> 00:05:06,976\n好那另外我想要再問就是關於所謂的化學品跟高壓氣體的一個運送已經納入所謂的GPS的追蹤的系統而且建立了相關的資訊平台但是道路運輸管理規則當中也要求所謂的高壓氣體的運具應該要加定位的裝置但是放射性的物質沒有加定時及時的一個追蹤\n\n14\n00:05:08,497 --> 00:05:30,616\n有聽出來嗎就是我剛剛講的放射性的物質是沒有加的但是我們講到剛剛化學品跟高壓氣體它是有GPS的追蹤但是剛剛講放射性的物質其實沒有這個追蹤我想要問一下何安慧放射性的物質同樣具有重大的一個公共的危險為什麼沒有強制施行而且沒有追蹤\n\n15\n00:05:32,183 --> 00:05:49,633\n我也知道这方面是需要加强的部分而且放射性物质如果万一遗失的话是会造成社会的恐慌的那这个部分有相关的一些规划吗有相关的规划跟进度吗我们现在已经规划要做这方面的事情所有放射性物质运送\n\n16\n00:05:50,453 --> 00:06:00,307\n任何時候我們都要知道他在哪個地方如果萬一遺失的話我們有辦法追蹤到他遺失的地點這是我們規劃的目標現在是規劃中還是有規劃的期程嗎這個部分\n\n17\n00:06:07,097 --> 00:06:28,831\n包括委員因為放射性物質它還有一個特性就是它有一個輻射所以輻射跟那個一些追蹤器的這一些的干擾或者是損傷我們因為它必須要透過一些技術研發所以我們現在剛剛主委講的是我們在規劃中是我們已經在研發中一旦研發上OK了我們就會直接的一個有沒有一個預期的時間\n\n18\n00:06:30,372 --> 00:06:47,388\n這邊我們有目前有一個計畫在在做研發那目前我們希望是在這兩年兩三年內能夠有所技術完整的一個突破然後我們就可以來去推動這一塊好那再來我要提到就是這個有方法其實我們從92年制定到現在其實也沒有修訂這個比剛剛的這個\n\n19\n00:06:48,869 --> 00:06:50,511\n這個部分這麼重要的一個措施沒有納入修法這個部分我們怎麼來做修補\n\n20\n00:07:05,758 --> 00:07:20,209\n有關於服防法的這一塊我們持續辦理中那因為目前跟委員報告目前的一個進度就是我們因為我們核能安全委員會是委員制所以我們已經通過就是一些修法的一個草案已經通過但是因為委員過程中也有一些關切\n\n21\n00:07:21,850 --> 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那另外我想要再問就是關於所謂的化學品跟高壓氣體的一個運送已經納入所謂的GPS的追蹤的系統而且建立了相關的資訊平台但是道路運輸管理規則當中也要求所謂的高壓氣體的運具應該要加定位的裝置但是放射性的物質沒有加定時及時的一個追蹤\n308497\t330616\t有聽出來嗎就是我剛剛講的放射性的物質是沒有加的但是我們講到剛剛化學品跟高壓氣體它是有GPS的追蹤但是剛剛講放射性的物質其實沒有這個追蹤我想要問一下何安慧放射性的物質同樣具有重大的一個公共的危險為什麼沒有強制施行而且沒有追蹤\n332183\t349633\t我也知道这方面是需要加强的部分而且放射性物质如果万一遗失的话是会造成社会的恐慌的那这个部分有相关的一些规划吗有相关的规划跟进度吗我们现在已经规划要做这方面的事情所有放射性物质运送\n350453\t360307\t任何時候我們都要知道他在哪個地方如果萬一遺失的話我們有辦法追蹤到他遺失的地點這是我們規劃的目標現在是規劃中還是有規劃的期程嗎這個部分\n367097\t388831\t包括委員因為放射性物質它還有一個特性就是它有一個輻射所以輻射跟那個一些追蹤器的這一些的干擾或者是損傷我們因為它必須要透過一些技術研發所以我們現在剛剛主委講的是我們在規劃中是我們已經在研發中一旦研發上OK了我們就會直接的一個有沒有一個預期的時間\n390372\t407388\t這邊我們有目前有一個計畫在在做研發那目前我們希望是在這兩年兩三年內能夠有所技術完整的一個突破然後我們就可以來去推動這一塊好那再來我要提到就是這個有方法其實我們從92年制定到現在其實也沒有修訂這個比剛剛的這個\n408869\t410511\t這個部分這麼重要的一個措施沒有納入修法這個部分我們怎麼來做修補\n425758\t440209\t有關於服防法的這一塊我們持續辦理中那因為目前跟委員報告目前的一個進度就是我們因為我們核能安全委員會是委員制所以我們已經通過就是一些修法的一個草案已經通過但是因為委員過程中也有一些關切\n441850\t466498\t因為去年其實這個代理主委已經有講了這個修法草案其實已經完成但是我們到現在為止其實還沒有看到他送進立法院啊這部分其實我辦公室也在追這個部分對那大概什麼時候我們可以看得到現在現在整個還是在滾動還要送行政院這邊來審議一審議完成後我們就會送到送到那個立法院這邊來好如果有更進一步的進程再提供給我們辦公室好謝謝謝謝主席\n469141\t476331\t好 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就是放射性物質的部分喔\n放射性物質的運送監控的一個部分其實我們發現光是運送規則大概已經有17年沒有修正了那我們大部分都只是聚焦在所謂的包裝、標示或者是一些所謂的文件的一些\n動態靜態的一個規範那但是呢在所謂的這個放射性物質他們在運送的過程當中有可能會因為失竊或者是因為事故的發生或者是因為損害或者是外洩的一個風險但是我們缺乏了所謂的這個即時監控跟通報的一個機制感覺是已經跟這個現代的這個所謂的這個外洩的一個風險其實已經有一點脫鉤\n那根據這個國際原子能總署他們其實也特別的建議就是說所謂的高風險的放射源應該要建立這個即時的定位還有異常通報的一個機制但是目前為止我們看到台灣的部分就是我國的部分其實還是依賴這個紙本跟事後的一個稽查\n那這個明顯其實已經留下了一些所謂的控管的一個空窗那我們不禁要擔心在沒有設置及時的監控跟輻射偵測的一個裝置如果真的當車輛遺失或者是發生交通事故或者是遭竊的時候我們的主管機關怎麼樣在第一時間當中可以掌握車禍或者是事故的位置或者是放射員的計量\n他到底外泄的一個程度這個部分我們怎麼來做修補謝謝委員確實追蹤這個輻射源是很重要的工作過去原輪會跟現在的河岸會\n我覺得這方面是需要補強的所以我們目前其實今年已經開始導入高風險社員的監控技術就隨時隨地能夠掌控\n這個高風險輻射源的位置已經確定了嗎現在已經正在進行中那什麼時候會什麼時候你所謂的這個高風險的控管的機制這個機制比較具體的一個說法或者比較具體的一個做法是什麼這點我請主長跟大家講細節\n報告委員那我們現在是一個雙軌的一個概念就是剛剛陳如委員所說的在法規的一個修法上我們現在在持續的在推動那在輔導業者的一個法尊上我們就是現在已經開始去做一些輔導的計畫我們是用\n現行的GPS的一個車用的GPS來去做這個運送過程中的追蹤那至於我們現在這是強制性的呢還是說輔導現在是現在只是輔導對對對先讓他們在這一塊未來的配套方案可以執行的上來那目前輔導的這個期程是從什麼時候開始什麼時候要輔導完畢什麼時候要有一些所謂的規範跟比較強制性的一個強制性他們要來做這樣子的一個\n監測的一個設備的工作那目前的一個輔導我們是都目前是並沒有強制但是也沒有一旦上線了我們目前是打算不會退場但是因為有一些即時會有收到各自業者各自的所以我們在這部分我們就是會促進修法的一個授權因為我剛剛有提到\n因為我剛剛有提到關於這個運送的規則已經大概將近有十幾年沒修了大概將近有17年沒修了那這個部分其實我們是不是也要來同步的更新跟修正對 我們現在也在著手在探討這個運送規則所以在這部分我們也會來去辦理中好 那輔導的這個盤點就是你們輔導的一個對象跟整個所有的一些數量應該要盤點的這些數量其實到時候可以再提供給我辦公室嗎好 可以\n好 那另外我想要再問就是關於所謂的化學品跟高壓氣體的一個運送已經納入所謂的GPS的追蹤的系統而且建立了相關的資訊平台但是道路運輸管理規則當中也要求所謂的高壓氣體的運具應該要加定位的裝置但是放射性的物質沒有加定時及時的一個追蹤\n有聽出來嗎就是我剛剛講的放射性的物質是沒有加的但是我們講到剛剛化學品跟高壓氣體它是有GPS的追蹤但是剛剛講放射性的物質其實沒有這個追蹤我想要問一下何安慧放射性的物質同樣具有重大的一個公共的危險為什麼沒有強制施行而且沒有追蹤\n我也知道这方面是需要加强的部分而且放射性物质如果万一遗失的话是会造成社会的恐慌的那这个部分有相关的一些规划吗有相关的规划跟进度吗我们现在已经规划要做这方面的事情所有放射性物质运送\n任何時候我們都要知道他在哪個地方如果萬一遺失的話我們有辦法追蹤到他遺失的地點這是我們規劃的目標現在是規劃中還是有規劃的期程嗎這個部分\n包括委員因為放射性物質它還有一個特性就是它有一個輻射所以輻射跟那個一些追蹤器的這一些的干擾或者是損傷我們因為它必須要透過一些技術研發所以我們現在剛剛主委講的是我們在規劃中是我們已經在研發中一旦研發上OK了我們就會直接的一個有沒有一個預期的時間\n這邊我們有目前有一個計畫在在做研發那目前我們希望是在這兩年兩三年內能夠有所技術完整的一個突破然後我們就可以來去推動這一塊好那再來我要提到就是這個有方法其實我們從92年制定到現在其實也沒有修訂這個比剛剛的這個\n這個部分這麼重要的一個措施沒有納入修法這個部分我們怎麼來做修補\n有關於服防法的這一塊我們持續辦理中那因為目前跟委員報告目前的一個進度就是我們因為我們核能安全委員會是委員制所以我們已經通過就是一些修法的一個草案已經通過但是因為委員過程中也有一些關切\n因為去年其實這個代理主委已經有講了這個修法草案其實已經完成但是我們到現在為止其實還沒有看到他送進立法院啊這部分其實我辦公室也在追這個部分對那大概什麼時候我們可以看得到現在現在整個還是在滾動還要送行政院這邊來審議一審議完成後我們就會送到送到那個立法院這邊來好如果有更進一步的進程再提供給我們辦公室好謝謝謝謝主席\n好 謝謝 謝謝郭雨琴委員主委請回那我們接下來請葉元芝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.752 --> 00:10.614\n好謝謝主席有請陳主委好有請陳主委主委早安辛苦囉我也好核電研議的問題還是要取決於安全安全安全安全才是首要是的是的好今天其實我不想要談這個核電的部分喔我來談另外一個話題就是放射性物質的部分喔\n\n00:32.342 --> 00:47.721\n放射性物質的運送監控的一個部分其實我們發現光是運送規則大概已經有17年沒有修正了那我們大部分都只是聚焦在所謂的包裝、標示或者是一些所謂的文件的一些\n\n00:47.961 --> 00:53.642\n動態靜態的一個規範那但是呢在所謂的這個放射性物質他們在運送的過程當中有可能會因為失竊或者是因為事故的發生或者是因為損害或者是外洩的一個風險但是我們缺乏了所謂的這個即時監控跟通報的一個機制感覺是已經跟這個現代的這個所謂的這個外洩的一個風險其實已經有一點脫鉤\n\n01:16.368 --> 01:20.651\n那根據這個國際原子能總署他們其實也特別的建議就是說所謂的高風險的放射源應該要建立這個即時的定位還有異常通報的一個機制但是目前為止我們看到台灣的部分就是我國的部分其實還是依賴這個紙本跟事後的一個稽查\n\n01:35.763 --> 01:39.125\n那這個明顯其實已經留下了一些所謂的控管的一個空窗那我們不禁要擔心在沒有設置及時的監控跟輻射偵測的一個裝置如果真的當車輛遺失或者是發生交通事故或者是遭竊的時候我們的主管機關怎麼樣在第一時間當中可以掌握車禍或者是事故的位置或者是放射員的計量\n\n02:03.840 --> 02:21.333\n他到底外泄的一個程度這個部分我們怎麼來做修補謝謝委員確實追蹤這個輻射源是很重要的工作過去原輪會跟現在的河岸會\n\n02:24.575 --> 02:35.024\n我覺得這方面是需要補強的所以我們目前其實今年已經開始導入高風險社員的監控技術就隨時隨地能夠掌控\n\n02:40.977 --> 02:48.601\n這個高風險輻射源的位置已經確定了嗎現在已經正在進行中那什麼時候會什麼時候你所謂的這個高風險的控管的機制這個機制比較具體的一個說法或者比較具體的一個做法是什麼這點我請主長跟大家講細節\n\n03:02.236 --> 03:17.848\n報告委員那我們現在是一個雙軌的一個概念就是剛剛陳如委員所說的在法規的一個修法上我們現在在持續的在推動那在輔導業者的一個法尊上我們就是現在已經開始去做一些輔導的計畫我們是用\n\n03:20.250 --> 03:47.767\n現行的GPS的一個車用的GPS來去做這個運送過程中的追蹤那至於我們現在這是強制性的呢還是說輔導現在是現在只是輔導對對對先讓他們在這一塊未來的配套方案可以執行的上來那目前輔導的這個期程是從什麼時候開始什麼時候要輔導完畢什麼時候要有一些所謂的規範跟比較強制性的一個強制性他們要來做這樣子的一個\n\n03:49.267 --> 03:56.590\n監測的一個設備的工作那目前的一個輔導我們是都目前是並沒有強制但是也沒有一旦上線了我們目前是打算不會退場但是因為有一些即時會有收到各自業者各自的所以我們在這部分我們就是會促進修法的一個授權因為我剛剛有提到\n\n04:13.815 --> 04:31.124\n因為我剛剛有提到關於這個運送的規則已經大概將近有十幾年沒修了大概將近有17年沒修了那這個部分其實我們是不是也要來同步的更新跟修正對我們現在也在著手在探討這個運送規則所以在這部分我們也會來去辦理中好那輔導的這個盤點就是你們輔導的一個對象跟整個所有的一些數量應該要盤點的這些數量其實到時候可以再提供給我辦公室嗎好可以\n\n04:43.550 --> 05:06.976\n好那另外我想要再問就是關於所謂的化學品跟高壓氣體的一個運送已經納入所謂的GPS的追蹤的系統而且建立了相關的資訊平台但是道路運輸管理規則當中也要求所謂的高壓氣體的運具應該要加定位的裝置但是放射性的物質沒有加定時及時的一個追蹤\n\n05:08.497 --> 05:30.616\n有聽出來嗎就是我剛剛講的放射性的物質是沒有加的但是我們講到剛剛化學品跟高壓氣體它是有GPS的追蹤但是剛剛講放射性的物質其實沒有這個追蹤我想要問一下何安慧放射性的物質同樣具有重大的一個公共的危險為什麼沒有強制施行而且沒有追蹤\n\n05:32.183 --> 05:49.633\n我也知道这方面是需要加强的部分而且放射性物质如果万一遗失的话是会造成社会的恐慌的那这个部分有相关的一些规划吗有相关的规划跟进度吗我们现在已经规划要做这方面的事情所有放射性物质运送\n\n05:50.453 --> 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