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00:02:07,079\n無非就是為了所謂核電廠的安全來做考量那現在藍白這群荒謬的政客竟然用這種專業來扭曲來政治來扭曲專業那無視於這些所謂這些時間這些時限所代表的安全的意義所以我想請教主委是說作為核能安全最高機關核安會的你\n\n7\n00:02:08,860 --> 00:02:17,433\n是否同意這個法律中依法明文的年限的換照的期限就是基於他的安全考量\n\n8\n00:02:19,286 --> 00:02:42,258\n主委提案是委員的權利我是問你說這個法規規定有個安全的年限這個年限是不是就是安全的考量為什麼要定40年為什麼要定所謂的如果你要申請研議\n\n9\n00:02:44,710 --> 00:03:08,890\n你的辦法是訂5至15年前要來提出那為什麼要有這些年限是不是安全的考量是的是嘛對不對所以等於是你如果完全不按照這個年限來走特別是為什麼一個核電廠要訂40年要除役是不是就是安全所以超過了40年是不是就有嚴重安全的疑慮超過40年的話如果\n\n10\n00:03:13,652 --> 00:03:38,082\n要研議的話必須重新評估所以我們說到安全賴總統在全社會防衛任性委員會的成立跟相關的演練下關鍵基礎設施的防護就變成相當重要的一個課題那我想核電廠的安全的管制應該也要在留意各式各樣的威脅\n\n11\n00:03:39,122 --> 00:03:48,045\n尤其我們如何從所謂的災害中來渡過威脅並且恢復它的正常的運作我想我們面對像現在烏鱷戰爭無情的戰火下烏克蘭的砸菠蘿熱的核電廠它就反覆遭到這個炮火的攻擊啊那電力就會反覆的中斷那我們知道說核安會跟台電你們平常就有在辦理因應這些\n\n12\n00:04:08,192 --> 00:04:31,918\n突發狀況或者是軍事衝突的核安演習所以我想提醒核安會的是說假設災害先行發生軍事衝突才過來那你們到底在應變上是不是會增加難度那你是不是有想過這樣的可能的發生的順序那你要如何的應對主委\n\n13\n00:04:32,778 --> 00:04:47,304\n我們過去也評估過這方面的議題一般來說我們認為他們只會直接攻擊核電廠但有可能會攻擊核電廠周邊的地方\n\n14\n00:04:49,545 --> 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