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00:02:31,463\n有委員這個AI的確我先從技術面來談這個事情的確AI最近的進展它可以生成各式各樣的不管是文字或者影音或是相片所以以前都是說眼見為真是眼見不見的為真所以這方面是一個最基本的問題那怎麼去判斷跟偵測也是一直是一個大家在從技術面一直在研究的議題\n\n8\n00:02:32,463 --> 00:02:57,194\n所以我想這個裡面當然會牽涉到AI所以目前的確有另外一個政府我們部裡面在推動就是在AI的使用方面像AI基本法這個當然還需要再討論不過要從很多面從AI的使用要做一些當然就是鼓勵AI的成長另外要還換它的一些管理上面的問題所以\n\n9\n00:02:58,054 --> 00:03:22,266\n要從這邊去處理那至於說個別的新聞或個別的那個因為這種東西太多了所以我們並沒有特別去追蹤每一個那如果說像類似這種假訊息啊那在當初今天是本就是本席遇到嘛那同樣也是我跟馬文君委員被遇到這樣子的一個捏造的用我們辦公室發新聞稿來去做社群的散佈那在社群的這種\n\n10\n00:03:23,106 --> 00:03:39,342\n通報商如何有辦法讓他下架以及說在這個假星期如何來去做一個遏止還包括甚至也要想請教這個調查局還有資通安全處處長那像這樣子的一個情況那調查局這邊可以用什麼樣的方式來去啟動調查\n\n11\n00:03:41,404 --> 00:04:10,163\n對那個這種假訊息的部分我跟委員報告我們有幾個機制一個當然就是說我們有所謂的NGO麥克風這樣一個組織就是說遇到這種訊息可以請他們來驗證以後他們會做公佈那我們自己本身也有網路詐騙通報查詢網這個東西有時候但不見得真的假訊息但是有些跟廣告相關跟類似詐騙的訊息這個可以到我們這邊來通報\n\n12\n00:04:11,224 --> 00:04:37,269\n那當然就是這個警政署或是法務部這邊也有不同的機制來處理所謂的假訊息我是不是請好那我們請處長是各位委員好有關這個AICenter的假訊息Deepfake的部分那調查局是有建立一定的檢測的模式那我們也有相關的檢測工具只要這個網路上有相關的這個訊息出現我們經過檢測是\n\n13\n00:04:39,589 --> 00:04:53,826\n身為AI生成的話那只要有違法譬如說違反懸罷法那我們就會去立案偵辦報請地檢署的那個在六都的地檢署他都有那個AI生成的這個\n\n14\n00:04:54,867 --> 00:05:09,412\n假訊息的犯罪調查中心我們會去細數偵辦好謝謝因為他這個也直接在他們的幹部群就直接把這個GPD他們在生成的過程跟證據也都有修在上面那謝謝署長那同樣的說今天來講對於\n\n15\n00:05:11,412 --> 00:05:36,805\n這樣子的惡霸那包括有時候發現這樣子就是一個詐騙的過程那今天他們在向許多人在搜尋這個罷免惡霸攔尾的這個連署書啊結果今天的手段上面還就直接用這樣子AI的工具來去做偽造還包括偽造委員辦公室的新聞稿將來就有可能偽造成影音跟圖像那在這裡還是也謝謝剛才\n\n16\n00:05:37,825 --> 00:05:56,738\n部長的解釋跟包括我們調查局這邊的一個說明那也希望說在這個AI的治理過程中當然能夠讓我們的技術或是防治上更為提升那另外本席在這裡也再次也提到這個資安長的這個制度目前的話都是由這個副首長來去做接任或是適當人員\n\n17\n00:05:57,659 --> 00:06:26,818\n但是本席還是因為時間有限那請就是部內這邊提供一下目前各機關在這個擔任這個資安長是副首長的這個比例跟執行率那以及說是委外或是有適當人員的這個執行率大約比例是多少以及他的對於這個包括資安的專業掌握程度還是多少那這個比例希望能夠提供給本席辦公室因為本席在這裡還是要特別的去呼籲強調一下\n\n18\n00:06:27,679 --> 00:06:54,094\n那當然說以目前先行法規上各機關來講必須要設置這個資安長的部分在資安法第11條但是如果說像許多的機關他們的資安長本身對於資安就沒有非常了解甚至概念上也不夠熟悉那當這個資安長的話是不是能夠有效的讓機關內的這個資訊安全能夠去做一個了解甚至處理甚至平行的溝通\n\n19\n00:06:56,015 --> 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那個這種假訊息的部分我跟委員報告我們有幾個機制一個當然就是說我們有所謂的NGO麥克風這樣一個組織就是說遇到這種訊息可以請他們來驗證以後他們會做公佈那我們自己本身也有網路詐騙通報查詢網這個東西有時候但不見得真的假訊息但是有些跟廣告相關跟類似詐騙的訊息這個可以到我們這邊來通報\n251224\t277269\t那當然就是這個警政署或是法務部這邊也有不同的機制來處理所謂的假訊息我是不是請好那我們請處長是各位委員好有關這個AI Center的假訊息Deepfake的部分那調查局是有建立一定的檢測的模式那我們也有相關的檢測工具只要這個網路上有相關的這個訊息出現我們經過檢測是\n279589\t293826\t身為 AI 生成的話那只要有違法譬如說違反懸罷法那我們就會去立案偵辦報請地檢署的那個在六都的地檢署他都有那個 AI 生成的這個\n294867\t309412\t假訊息的犯罪調查中心我們會去細數偵辦好 謝謝因為他這個也直接在他們的幹部群就直接把這個GPD他們在生成的過程跟證據也都有修在上面那謝謝署長那同樣的說今天來講對於\n311412\t336805\t這樣子的惡霸那包括有時候發現這樣子就是一個詐騙的過程那今天他們在向許多人在搜尋這個罷免惡霸攔尾的這個連署書啊結果今天的手段上面還就直接用這樣子AI的工具來去做偽造還包括偽造委員辦公室的新聞稿將來就有可能偽造成影音跟圖像那在這裡還是也謝謝剛才\n337825\t356738\t部長的解釋跟包括我們調查局這邊的一個說明那也希望說在這個AI的治理過程中當然能夠讓我們的技術或是防治上更為提升那另外本席在這裡也再次也提到這個資安長的這個制度目前的話都是由這個副首長來去做接任或是適當人員\n357659\t386818\t但是本席還是因為時間有限那請就是部內這邊提供一下目前各機關在這個擔任這個資安長是副首長的這個比例跟執行率那以及說是委外或是有適當人員的這個執行率大約比例是多少以及他的對於這個包括資安的專業掌握程度還是多少那這個比例希望能夠提供給本席辦公室因為本席在這裡還是要特別的去呼籲強調一下\n387679\t414094\t那當然說以目前先行法規上各機關來講必須要設置這個資安長的部分在資安法第11條但是如果說像許多的機關他們的資安長本身對於資安就沒有非常了解甚至概念上也不夠熟悉那當這個資安長的話是不是能夠有效的讓機關內的這個資訊安全能夠去做一個了解甚至處理甚至平行的溝通\n416015\t443596\t當然說很多事情還是要回到速發部去請教那只是說這樣子的一個制度上是希望治安長不是虛設的反而是實際上能夠有功能那在國外的話其實在業界的治安長他們的制度其實相對來講幾乎都會有資訊背景或是一定時數的訓練那我是希望說在目前國內的現行制度大概依法規治安法第11條是必須要設置那如何能夠真正的強化在每一個機關\n444737\t460728\t還有的這個專業我相信還是要麻煩部長不過這個委員簡單的說明一下就是因為那個我們說因為治安長要做跨單位的協調他一定要有足夠的所謂的管理的權力所以才會使用才會目前很多是由副首長\n461668\t488174\t來擔任那當然副所長在裡面我們會有很多的訓練或是會議當然也會有幕僚單位來提供協助所以目前這樣一個機制目前還好就是說在我們的這個重點還是在管理所以管理那個管理的人一定要有這樣的power所以我想重點是就是要有足夠的權力的人去擔任這個治安長這個技術反而是比較容易解決因為可以有幕僚跟相關的這個訓練可以在補強這樣\n489697\t500887\t一些問題我們之後再來探討因為就是權力之間的部會業務的連結歸連結但是專業跟本身都有問題第一時間的掌握那我覺得也是相對重要謝謝現在\n","txt":"謝謝二主席 那也請部長請部長\n吳委員好部長好那延續的剛才許多委員有提到就是目前來講在資安的部分以及AI的部分要如何用AI的包括大家的專業來去來去來去對抗AI的這種詐騙那剛好在前兩天在南投也發生一個實事體那我們看到這個圖片\n這個AI成為大罷免的一個惡霸的工具那民進黨或者是在南投的霸團他們就是用AI來去生成這個新聞稿就是本席的辦公室的新聞稿還直接做了兩則\n第一則叫做我感謝霸團把我第二階段連署通過但是目前現在他們還在收集這連署書但沒關係反正荒腔走反行徑都競逐難輸那第二的話就是說我們支持就是他們就偽造的還變成說這是罷免另外一個選區馬文君委員這樣\n那用這樣子的一個深層的新聞稿用GT來去散佈這個假訊息那我想問一下就叫一下部長像這種現在的科技AI的工具它卻成為這樣子運用的一個手段甚至騷擾的手段那在以目前來講在這一個委員會中我們來揭露這樣子的一個事件\n那就是在南投的這個霸團他們用這樣子的方式來去抹黑來去捏造還來去騷擾攻擊本席跟馬文君委員那像蘇法部隊這樣子的事情第一有掌握嗎第二在地方上能掌握嗎第三像這樣子的部分要如何在數位治理上來去做一個政府的角色扮演\n有委員這個AI的確我先從技術面來談這個事情的確AI最近的進展它可以生成各式各樣的不管是文字或者影音或是相片所以以前都是說眼見為真是眼見不見的為真所以這方面是一個最基本的問題那怎麼去判斷跟偵測也是一直是一個大家在從技術面一直在研究的議題\n所以我想這個裡面當然會牽涉到AI所以目前的確有另外一個政府我們部裡面在推動就是在AI的使用方面像AI基本法這個當然還需要再討論不過要從很多面從AI的使用要做一些當然就是鼓勵AI的成長另外要還換它的一些管理上面的問題所以\n要從這邊去處理那至於說個別的新聞或個別的那個因為這種東西太多了所以我們並沒有特別去追蹤每一個那如果說像類似這種假訊息啊那在當初今天是本就是本席遇到嘛那同樣也是我跟馬文君委員被遇到這樣子的一個捏造的用我們辦公室發新聞稿來去做社群的散佈那在社群的這種\n通報商如何有辦法讓他下架以及說在這個假星期如何來去做一個遏止還包括甚至也要想請教這個調查局還有資通安全處處長那像這樣子的一個情況那調查局這邊可以用什麼樣的方式來去啟動調查\n對 那個這種假訊息的部分我跟委員報告我們有幾個機制一個當然就是說我們有所謂的NGO麥克風這樣一個組織就是說遇到這種訊息可以請他們來驗證以後他們會做公佈那我們自己本身也有網路詐騙通報查詢網這個東西有時候但不見得真的假訊息但是有些跟廣告相關跟類似詐騙的訊息這個可以到我們這邊來通報\n那當然就是這個警政署或是法務部這邊也有不同的機制來處理所謂的假訊息我是不是請好那我們請處長是各位委員好有關這個AI Center的假訊息Deepfake的部分那調查局是有建立一定的檢測的模式那我們也有相關的檢測工具只要這個網路上有相關的這個訊息出現我們經過檢測是\n身為 AI 生成的話那只要有違法譬如說違反懸罷法那我們就會去立案偵辦報請地檢署的那個在六都的地檢署他都有那個 AI 生成的這個\n假訊息的犯罪調查中心我們會去細數偵辦好 謝謝因為他這個也直接在他們的幹部群就直接把這個GPD他們在生成的過程跟證據也都有修在上面那謝謝署長那同樣的說今天來講對於\n這樣子的惡霸那包括有時候發現這樣子就是一個詐騙的過程那今天他們在向許多人在搜尋這個罷免惡霸攔尾的這個連署書啊結果今天的手段上面還就直接用這樣子AI的工具來去做偽造還包括偽造委員辦公室的新聞稿將來就有可能偽造成影音跟圖像那在這裡還是也謝謝剛才\n部長的解釋跟包括我們調查局這邊的一個說明那也希望說在這個AI的治理過程中當然能夠讓我們的技術或是防治上更為提升那另外本席在這裡也再次也提到這個資安長的這個制度目前的話都是由這個副首長來去做接任或是適當人員\n但是本席還是因為時間有限那請就是部內這邊提供一下目前各機關在這個擔任這個資安長是副首長的這個比例跟執行率那以及說是委外或是有適當人員的這個執行率大約比例是多少以及他的對於這個包括資安的專業掌握程度還是多少那這個比例希望能夠提供給本席辦公室因為本席在這裡還是要特別的去呼籲強調一下\n那當然說以目前先行法規上各機關來講必須要設置這個資安長的部分在資安法第11條但是如果說像許多的機關他們的資安長本身對於資安就沒有非常了解甚至概念上也不夠熟悉那當這個資安長的話是不是能夠有效的讓機關內的這個資訊安全能夠去做一個了解甚至處理甚至平行的溝通\n當然說很多事情還是要回到速發部去請教那只是說這樣子的一個制度上是希望治安長不是虛設的反而是實際上能夠有功能那在國外的話其實在業界的治安長他們的制度其實相對來講幾乎都會有資訊背景或是一定時數的訓練那我是希望說在目前國內的現行制度大概依法規治安法第11條是必須要設置那如何能夠真正的強化在每一個機關\n還有的這個專業我相信還是要麻煩部長不過這個委員簡單的說明一下就是因為那個我們說因為治安長要做跨單位的協調他一定要有足夠的所謂的管理的權力所以才會使用才會目前很多是由副首長\n來擔任那當然副所長在裡面我們會有很多的訓練或是會議當然也會有幕僚單位來提供協助所以目前這樣一個機制目前還好就是說在我們的這個重點還是在管理所以管理那個管理的人一定要有這樣的power所以我想重點是就是要有足夠的權力的人去擔任這個治安長這個技術反而是比較容易解決因為可以有幕僚跟相關的這個訓練可以在補強這樣\n一些問題我們之後再來探討因為就是權力之間的部會業務的連結歸連結但是專業跟本身都有問題第一時間的掌握那我覺得也是相對重要謝謝現在\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.130 --> 00:05.819\n謝謝二主席那也請部長請部長\n\n00:12.285 --> 00:36.065\n吳委員好部長好那延續的剛才許多委員有提到就是目前來講在資安的部分以及AI的部分要如何用AI的包括大家的專業來去來去來去對抗AI的這種詐騙那剛好在前兩天在南投也發生一個實事體那我們看到這個圖片\n\n00:37.866 --> 00:54.158\n這個AI成為大罷免的一個惡霸的工具那民進黨或者是在南投的霸團他們就是用AI來去生成這個新聞稿就是本席的辦公室的新聞稿還直接做了兩則\n\n00:55.599 --> 01:15.111\n第一則叫做我感謝霸團把我第二階段連署通過但是目前現在他們還在收集這連署書但沒關係反正荒腔走反行徑都競逐難輸那第二的話就是說我們支持就是他們就偽造的還變成說這是罷免另外一個選區馬文君委員這樣\n\n01:16.992 --> 01:41.402\n那用這樣子的一個深層的新聞稿用GT來去散佈這個假訊息那我想問一下就叫一下部長像這種現在的科技AI的工具它卻成為這樣子運用的一個手段甚至騷擾的手段那在以目前來講在這一個委員會中我們來揭露這樣子的一個事件\n\n01:42.142 --> 02:07.132\n那就是在南投的這個霸團他們用這樣子的方式來去抹黑來去捏造還來去騷擾攻擊本席跟馬文君委員那像蘇法部隊這樣子的事情第一有掌握嗎第二在地方上能掌握嗎第三像這樣子的部分要如何在數位治理上來去做一個政府的角色扮演\n\n02:07.632 --> 02:31.463\n有委員這個AI的確我先從技術面來談這個事情的確AI最近的進展它可以生成各式各樣的不管是文字或者影音或是相片所以以前都是說眼見為真是眼見不見的為真所以這方面是一個最基本的問題那怎麼去判斷跟偵測也是一直是一個大家在從技術面一直在研究的議題\n\n02:32.463 --> 02:57.194\n所以我想這個裡面當然會牽涉到AI所以目前的確有另外一個政府我們部裡面在推動就是在AI的使用方面像AI基本法這個當然還需要再討論不過要從很多面從AI的使用要做一些當然就是鼓勵AI的成長另外要還換它的一些管理上面的問題所以\n\n02:58.054 --> 03:22.266\n要從這邊去處理那至於說個別的新聞或個別的那個因為這種東西太多了所以我們並沒有特別去追蹤每一個那如果說像類似這種假訊息啊那在當初今天是本就是本席遇到嘛那同樣也是我跟馬文君委員被遇到這樣子的一個捏造的用我們辦公室發新聞稿來去做社群的散佈那在社群的這種\n\n03:23.106 --> 03:39.342\n通報商如何有辦法讓他下架以及說在這個假星期如何來去做一個遏止還包括甚至也要想請教這個調查局還有資通安全處處長那像這樣子的一個情況那調查局這邊可以用什麼樣的方式來去啟動調查\n\n03:41.404 --> 04:10.163\n對那個這種假訊息的部分我跟委員報告我們有幾個機制一個當然就是說我們有所謂的NGO麥克風這樣一個組織就是說遇到這種訊息可以請他們來驗證以後他們會做公佈那我們自己本身也有網路詐騙通報查詢網這個東西有時候但不見得真的假訊息但是有些跟廣告相關跟類似詐騙的訊息這個可以到我們這邊來通報\n\n04:11.224 --> 04:37.269\n那當然就是這個警政署或是法務部這邊也有不同的機制來處理所謂的假訊息我是不是請好那我們請處長是各位委員好有關這個AICenter的假訊息Deepfake的部分那調查局是有建立一定的檢測的模式那我們也有相關的檢測工具只要這個網路上有相關的這個訊息出現我們經過檢測是\n\n04:39.589 --> 04:53.826\n身為AI生成的話那只要有違法譬如說違反懸罷法那我們就會去立案偵辦報請地檢署的那個在六都的地檢署他都有那個AI生成的這個\n\n04:54.867 --> 05:09.412\n假訊息的犯罪調查中心我們會去細數偵辦好謝謝因為他這個也直接在他們的幹部群就直接把這個GPD他們在生成的過程跟證據也都有修在上面那謝謝署長那同樣的說今天來講對於\n\n05:11.412 --> 05:36.805\n這樣子的惡霸那包括有時候發現這樣子就是一個詐騙的過程那今天他們在向許多人在搜尋這個罷免惡霸攔尾的這個連署書啊結果今天的手段上面還就直接用這樣子AI的工具來去做偽造還包括偽造委員辦公室的新聞稿將來就有可能偽造成影音跟圖像那在這裡還是也謝謝剛才\n\n05:37.825 --> 05:56.738\n部長的解釋跟包括我們調查局這邊的一個說明那也希望說在這個AI的治理過程中當然能夠讓我們的技術或是防治上更為提升那另外本席在這裡也再次也提到這個資安長的這個制度目前的話都是由這個副首長來去做接任或是適當人員\n\n05:57.659 --> 06:26.818\n但是本席還是因為時間有限那請就是部內這邊提供一下目前各機關在這個擔任這個資安長是副首長的這個比例跟執行率那以及說是委外或是有適當人員的這個執行率大約比例是多少以及他的對於這個包括資安的專業掌握程度還是多少那這個比例希望能夠提供給本席辦公室因為本席在這裡還是要特別的去呼籲強調一下\n\n06:27.679 --> 06:54.094\n那當然說以目前先行法規上各機關來講必須要設置這個資安長的部分在資安法第11條但是如果說像許多的機關他們的資安長本身對於資安就沒有非常了解甚至概念上也不夠熟悉那當這個資安長的話是不是能夠有效的讓機關內的這個資訊安全能夠去做一個了解甚至處理甚至平行的溝通\n\n06:56.015 --> 07:23.596\n當然說很多事情還是要回到速發部去請教那只是說這樣子的一個制度上是希望治安長不是虛設的反而是實際上能夠有功能那在國外的話其實在業界的治安長他們的制度其實相對來講幾乎都會有資訊背景或是一定時數的訓練那我是希望說在目前國內的現行制度大概依法規治安法第11條是必須要設置那如何能夠真正的強化在每一個機關\n\n07:24.737 --> 07:40.728\n還有的這個專業我相信還是要麻煩部長不過這個委員簡單的說明一下就是因為那個我們說因為治安長要做跨單位的協調他一定要有足夠的所謂的管理的權力所以才會使用才會目前很多是由副首長\n\n07:41.668 --> 08:08.174\n來擔任那當然副所長在裡面我們會有很多的訓練或是會議當然也會有幕僚單位來提供協助所以目前這樣一個機制目前還好就是說在我們的這個重點還是在管理所以管理那個管理的人一定要有這樣的power所以我想重點是就是要有足夠的權力的人去擔任這個治安長這個技術反而是比較容易解決因為可以有幕僚跟相關的這個訓練可以在補強這樣\n\n08:09.697 --> 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