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00:02:06,683\n我舉個例子我就問那個次長嘛對不對我們講不管說今天犯罪增防我們要去讓我們台灣的治安更好其實事前的各方面的跟犯罪有關的資訊掌握就很重要嘛對不對你資訊掌握到你才有後續的相關的所謂的治安作為嘛對不對犯罪打擊作為嘛所以我在想請教一下那個警政署啊警政署這邊就說\n\n7\n00:02:09,571 --> 00:02:35,439\n我們今天你應該也不希望說我們有所謂的這個嫌犯棄保檢討跑到國外去嘛對不對也不希望嘛對不對那有這樣的人你們也希望把他抓回來嘛通緝犯把他抓回來即便他不管在境內或是出境都想把他抓回來嘛對不對可是問題來了你對於他到底在跑到國外有多少人\n\n8\n00:02:36,431 --> 00:02:59,719\n你都無法掌握那請問你怎麼期待我們把人抓回來呢對不對我這樣講有沒有道理目前就是只要是不管院檢發布通緝之後那人就是不見了那人不見之後我們也會去追緝但是他有時候比如說他如果沒有註銷護照沒有註銷的情況下他可能可以直接用正式管道出去\n\n9\n00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:19,438\n那可能就會有記錄所以這當然就連到我們剛剛講的護照註銷的問題我也是因為這個洞我要開始講這件事那有的部分他可能會去做私下偷渡的管道那這個部分他逃掉了到底是不是做已經做這個私下的偷渡出去的這個部分確實可能我還是跟警政署說啦\n\n10\n00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:40,312\n無論如何你今天還是有一些你已經掌握到在國外的那數字你要公佈那你今天還不是很明確的你也可以公佈一個不是很明確或是說他到底在台灣還是在外面你不明確的那就是一個數字嘛各位相信你應該還是知道有一些已經跑出去的嘛\n\n11\n00:03:41,554 --> 00:03:59,704\n沒錯吧不過完全都不知道只要跑了就連有沒有在國內都不知道這個部分這個手邊沒有相關數字我相信我們這個國際科外面也有一些聯繫的管道對啊應該有辦法像委員講說可能也會有一些情緒上的初估的數字\n\n12\n00:04:00,965 --> 00:04:16,269\n可能農後再提供所以請把至少一個初估數字給我嘛因為這個東西說真的就是我剛剛跟次長講的嘛就是說你要先了解目前的我們到底這個所謂的不管是通緝犯逃到海外還是棄保潛逃的問題到底有多嚴重\n\n13\n00:04:17,318 --> 00:04:28,063\n我們接下來法治防治端我們才知道怎麼樣去包括立法包括行政作為包括政治作為我們才有辦法跟上那我想請教一下法務部今天我們討論刑事訴訟法116條之二的修法那關於註銷護照部分\n\n14\n00:04:33,385 --> 00:04:55,073\n它背後其實有關連另外一個我一直關切的法案就是棄保潛逃罪那我也是本屆第一個提案的委員那我想請教法務部去年徐錫陽次長曾經承諾在上個會期會把棄保潛逃罪送到立法院來我知道法務部是支持棄保潛逃罪的立法啦對不對但是這個不版到行政院會\n\n15\n00:04:56,752 --> 00:05:04,017\n可是行政院現在確實一直都沒有送版本到立法院來那我想請問行政院有什麼疑慮嗎為什麼院版一直送不過來呢\n\n16\n00:05:05,540 --> 00:05:07,100\n我還是期許一下我們法務部\n\n17\n00:05:32,466 --> 00:05:53,472\n因為說實在的話我們立法委員當然是從人民的角度去提很多法案的一些建議但是如果有行政院版來做一個大家的參照比對甚至相互的來去精進的話我覺得立法工作室可以更周延那這個事情剛好跟黨派也沒關係嘛那都是為了防範這個增進我們治安的作為嘛\n\n18\n00:05:54,092 --> 00:06:13,104\n所以一直拖著我覺得感覺上我覺得行政院這一塊你雖然當然我知道有一些各種不一樣的困難但困難對行政機關不應該作為一個理由啦那你有那麼龐大的一個政府部門專家學者作為後盾的話你事實上你還是應該要努力提出一個願板出來\n\n19\n00:06:14,065 --> 00:06:32,624\n好不好拜託再去努力一下否則我跟人家現在都進到這個階段了其實我是有一點點遺憾啦就是說等到這個階段結果院版沒有等到我是個人是有點遺憾但是如果能夠跟行政院精進一下也麻煩部長次長這邊再繼續溝通好不好好謝謝\n\n20\n00:06:33,985 --> 00:06:40,008\n那我想請教說就制定棄保潛逃罪其實非常重要那根據110年到112年的數據毒品跟詐欺的棄保潛逃犯佔比是超過85%嘛對不對我看那個大宗你們給我的數據是這樣\n\n21\n00:06:50,083 --> 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對不對但是這個不版到行政院會\n296752\t304017\t可是行政院現在確實一直都沒有送版本到立法院來那我想請問行政院有什麼疑慮嗎為什麼院版一直送不過來呢\n305540\t307100\t我還是期許一下我們法務部\n332466\t353472\t因為說實在的話我們立法委員當然是從人民的角度去提很多法案的一些建議但是如果有行政院版來做一個大家的參照比對甚至相互的來去精進的話我覺得立法工作室可以更周延那這個事情剛好跟黨派也沒關係嘛那都是為了防範這個增進我們治安的作為嘛\n354092\t373104\t所以一直拖著我覺得感覺上我覺得行政院這一塊你雖然當然我知道有一些各種不一樣的困難但困難對行政機關不應該作為一個理由啦那你有那麼龐大的一個政府部門專家學者作為後盾的話你事實上你還是應該要努力提出一個願板出來\n374065\t392624\t好不好 拜託再去努力一下否則我跟人家 現在都進到這個階段了其實我是有一點點遺憾啦就是說等到這個階段結果院版沒有等到我是個人是有點遺憾但是如果能夠跟行政院精進一下也麻煩部長 次長這邊再繼續溝通好不好好 謝謝\n393985\t400008\t那我想請教說就制定棄保潛逃罪其實非常重要那根據110年到112年的數據毒品跟詐欺的棄保潛逃犯佔比是超過85%嘛對不對我看那個大宗你們給我的數據是這樣\n410083\t427122\t那這個部分來看的話其實你就會發現推動氣保潛逃罪它跟反毒反詐其實也高度相關聯是牽連在一起所以因此如果說行政院跟法務部都可以再努力一點你們就所謂的政府端名字以執法的經驗端\n428443\t456768\t能夠把這些所謂的這個棄保檢討罪的一個防治棄保檢討防治的東西把它入法變成一個更好的一個專業的依據的話那當然對於防治毒販跟詐欺犯就會有幫助嘛所以這是為什麼我一直在督促的一個緣故那比方說最近除了鍾文智之外竹北社級虐童的葉姓健身教練他也棄保檢討那這位葉教練甚至還沒有限制出境那現在查\n457885\t474336\t逃出境外了對不對其實你就發現就牽著兩個問題嘛一個是說如果有法院可以主動註銷護照那可能就有可能阻止他跑出去那第二個就是還要回到警政署你像這個其實你就知道他在境外啦\n475197\t503019\t就知道他跑掉了所以不會說完全不知道哪些人跑到國外但我知道有些人你沒辦法確定但你至少就可確定的部分我覺得行政機關還是有責任把這個數字提供給社會大眾讓我們知曦知曉那也才能夠方便我們行政機關做後續的一個防範那麼我相信這個七寶剪刀這個問題很嚴重啦我希望我們大家都在一起繼續努力好不好謝謝\n504999\t505020\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席有請法務部跟警政署麻煩次長和警政署委員好首先還是先感謝莊烈雄委員我們一起為我們台灣的治安打拼來一起來去踐取我們的法治能夠讓我們的這個司法犯罪的那個能夠更嚴謹不要讓\n犯人逃逸在我們司法訴究的範圍首先我想先請問一下警政署就警政署掌握目前有多少通緝犯 棄保潛逃犯是在國外的能夠推估一個大概的數字嗎\n報告委員事實上我們剛才有您提到有8000這個數字的時候我們私底下有去了解一下目前這個數據這個會期我並沒有任何所知大概我們搜尋到應該是網路上好像有一個記者就訪問\n有私下管道去對那這個部分我們回去我們再做一個我們在這個可能外討論可能涉及到司法科跟國際科這部分我們沒有手上沒有現成的資料是不是容我們在後續提供其實這也是就是我一個質詢的點就是說事實上我也是根據新聞報導看到這個數字那我有跟貴部也有去詢問那你們沒有給我具體數字那我要講就是說\n官方其實這個數字還是應該要有啦\n我舉個例子我就問那個次長嘛對不對我們講不管說今天犯罪增防我們要去讓我們台灣的治安更好其實事前的各方面的跟犯罪有關的資訊掌握就很重要嘛對不對你資訊掌握到你才有後續的相關的所謂的治安作為嘛對不對犯罪打擊作為嘛所以我在想請教一下那個警政署啊警政署這邊就說\n我們今天 你應該也不希望說我們有所謂的這個嫌犯 棄保檢討跑到國外去嘛 對不對也不希望嘛 對不對那有這樣的人 你們也希望把他抓回來嘛通緝犯把他抓回來即便他不管在境內或是出境都想把他抓回來嘛 對不對可是問題來了你對於他到底在跑到國外有多少人\n你都無法掌握 那請問你怎麼期待我們把人抓回來呢對不對 我這樣講有沒有道理目前就是只要是不管院檢發布通緝之後那人就是不見了那人不見之後我們也會去追緝但是他有時候 比如說他如果沒有註銷 護照沒有註銷的情況下他可能可以直接用正式管道出去\n那可能就會有記錄所以這當然就連到我們剛剛講的護照註銷的問題我也是因為這個洞我要開始講這件事那有的部分他可能會去做私下偷渡的管道那這個部分他逃掉了到底是不是做已經做這個私下的偷渡出去的這個部分確實可能我還是跟警政署說啦\n無論如何你今天還是有一些你已經掌握到在國外的那數字你要公佈那你今天還不是很明確的你也可以公佈一個不是很明確或是說他到底在台灣還是在外面你不明確的那就是一個數字嘛各位相信你應該還是知道有一些已經跑出去的嘛\n沒錯吧不過完全都不知道只要跑了就連有沒有在國內都不知道這個部分這個手邊沒有相關數字我相信我們這個國際科外面也有一些聯繫的管道對啊應該有辦法像委員講說可能也會有一些情緒上的初估的數字\n可能農後再提供所以請把至少一個初估數字給我嘛因為這個東西說真的就是我剛剛跟次長講的嘛就是說你要先了解目前的我們到底這個所謂的不管是通緝犯逃到海外還是棄保潛逃的問題到底有多嚴重\n我們接下來法治防治端我們才知道怎麼樣去包括立法包括行政作為包括政治作為我們才有辦法跟上那我想請教一下法務部今天我們討論刑事訴訟法116條之二的修法那關於註銷護照部分\n它背後其實有關連另外一個我一直關切的法案就是棄保潛逃罪那我也是本屆第一個提案的委員那我想請教法務部去年徐錫陽次長曾經承諾在上個會期會把棄保潛逃罪送到立法院來我知道法務部是支持棄保潛逃罪的立法啦 對不對但是這個不版到行政院會\n可是行政院現在確實一直都沒有送版本到立法院來那我想請問行政院有什麼疑慮嗎為什麼院版一直送不過來呢\n我還是期許一下我們法務部\n因為說實在的話我們立法委員當然是從人民的角度去提很多法案的一些建議但是如果有行政院版來做一個大家的參照比對甚至相互的來去精進的話我覺得立法工作室可以更周延那這個事情剛好跟黨派也沒關係嘛那都是為了防範這個增進我們治安的作為嘛\n所以一直拖著我覺得感覺上我覺得行政院這一塊你雖然當然我知道有一些各種不一樣的困難但困難對行政機關不應該作為一個理由啦那你有那麼龐大的一個政府部門專家學者作為後盾的話你事實上你還是應該要努力提出一個願板出來\n好不好 拜託再去努力一下否則我跟人家 現在都進到這個階段了其實我是有一點點遺憾啦就是說等到這個階段結果院版沒有等到我是個人是有點遺憾但是如果能夠跟行政院精進一下也麻煩部長 次長這邊再繼續溝通好不好好 謝謝\n那我想請教說就制定棄保潛逃罪其實非常重要那根據110年到112年的數據毒品跟詐欺的棄保潛逃犯佔比是超過85%嘛對不對我看那個大宗你們給我的數據是這樣\n那這個部分來看的話其實你就會發現推動氣保潛逃罪它跟反毒反詐其實也高度相關聯是牽連在一起所以因此如果說行政院跟法務部都可以再努力一點你們就所謂的政府端名字以執法的經驗端\n能夠把這些所謂的這個棄保檢討罪的一個防治棄保檢討防治的東西把它入法變成一個更好的一個專業的依據的話那當然對於防治毒販跟詐欺犯就會有幫助嘛所以這是為什麼我一直在督促的一個緣故那比方說最近除了鍾文智之外竹北社級虐童的葉姓健身教練他也棄保檢討那這位葉教練甚至還沒有限制出境那現在查\n逃出境外了對不對其實你就發現就牽著兩個問題嘛一個是說如果有法院可以主動註銷護照那可能就有可能阻止他跑出去那第二個就是還要回到警政署你像這個其實你就知道他在境外啦\n就知道他跑掉了所以不會說完全不知道哪些人跑到國外但我知道有些人你沒辦法確定但你至少就可確定的部分我覺得行政機關還是有責任把這個數字提供給社會大眾讓我們知曦知曉那也才能夠方便我們行政機關做後續的一個防範那麼我相信這個七寶剪刀這個問題很嚴重啦我希望我們大家都在一起繼續努力好不好謝謝\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.410 --> 00:27.251\n主席有請法務部跟警政署麻煩次長和警政署委員好首先還是先感謝莊烈雄委員我們一起為我們台灣的治安打拼來一起來去踐取我們的法治能夠讓我們的這個司法犯罪的那個能夠更嚴謹不要讓\n\n00:29.099 --> 00:47.627\n犯人逃逸在我們司法訴究的範圍首先我想先請問一下警政署就警政署掌握目前有多少通緝犯棄保潛逃犯是在國外的能夠推估一個大概的數字嗎\n\n00:49.507 --> 01:04.704\n報告委員事實上我們剛才有您提到有8000這個數字的時候我們私底下有去了解一下目前這個數據這個會期我並沒有任何所知大概我們搜尋到應該是網路上好像有一個記者就訪問\n\n01:05.925 --> 01:33.219\n有私下管道去對那這個部分我們回去我們再做一個我們在這個可能外討論可能涉及到司法科跟國際科這部分我們沒有手上沒有現成的資料是不是容我們在後續提供其實這也是就是我一個質詢的點就是說事實上我也是根據新聞報導看到這個數字那我有跟貴部也有去詢問那你們沒有給我具體數字那我要講就是說\n\n01:35.302 --> 01:36.909\n官方其實這個數字還是應該要有啦\n\n01:39.507 --> 02:06.683\n我舉個例子我就問那個次長嘛對不對我們講不管說今天犯罪增防我們要去讓我們台灣的治安更好其實事前的各方面的跟犯罪有關的資訊掌握就很重要嘛對不對你資訊掌握到你才有後續的相關的所謂的治安作為嘛對不對犯罪打擊作為嘛所以我在想請教一下那個警政署啊警政署這邊就說\n\n02:09.571 --> 02:35.439\n我們今天你應該也不希望說我們有所謂的這個嫌犯棄保檢討跑到國外去嘛對不對也不希望嘛對不對那有這樣的人你們也希望把他抓回來嘛通緝犯把他抓回來即便他不管在境內或是出境都想把他抓回來嘛對不對可是問題來了你對於他到底在跑到國外有多少人\n\n02:36.431 --> 02:59.719\n你都無法掌握那請問你怎麼期待我們把人抓回來呢對不對我這樣講有沒有道理目前就是只要是不管院檢發布通緝之後那人就是不見了那人不見之後我們也會去追緝但是他有時候比如說他如果沒有註銷護照沒有註銷的情況下他可能可以直接用正式管道出去\n\n03:00.484 --> 03:19.438\n那可能就會有記錄所以這當然就連到我們剛剛講的護照註銷的問題我也是因為這個洞我要開始講這件事那有的部分他可能會去做私下偷渡的管道那這個部分他逃掉了到底是不是做已經做這個私下的偷渡出去的這個部分確實可能我還是跟警政署說啦\n\n03:20.530 --> 03:40.312\n無論如何你今天還是有一些你已經掌握到在國外的那數字你要公佈那你今天還不是很明確的你也可以公佈一個不是很明確或是說他到底在台灣還是在外面你不明確的那就是一個數字嘛各位相信你應該還是知道有一些已經跑出去的嘛\n\n03:41.554 --> 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