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00:01:52,136\n但是在這個過程當中,嘉義市有很多年輕人都回鄉回來也有年輕人看到嘉義市好大好做生意,對著他的抱負他也很愛在嘉外,嘉義來生活所以在這個生活圈當中,年輕人像剛才這樣說的\n\n6\n00:01:54,198 --> 00:02:05,947\n年輕人會排擠到,是不是這樣來請市長,你覺得如何?這就是我剛才所報告,原主席的抽籤,在大概6歲的部分,他目前規定40%的數字,已經實質上已經是破50%了,就是說市長已經有救了\n\n7\n00:02:15,154 --> 00:02:21,579\n她可以抽兩遍所以她的機率就比較高嘛是是,所以妳如果夠50%以上我們歡樂的她就是會衝到60%到70%這樣原來我們這個屬於比較年輕人還是說她當她有工作,當她有工作開始在做她有需要的時候,結果她的族群是非常大但是她的重簽率會越來越多越來越多,她原來這個弱勢族群的重簽率就是\n\n8\n00:02:41,634 --> 00:02:52,364\n已經差不多三倍,一半後的三倍你如果叫我管的時候,他的仲欠率會更高所以這邊會越來越高,我想對這個年輕人來說因為現在房價上升,他剛好剛好有收入結果我沒辦法買房子的時候,我當需要做房子的時候結果這部分的仲欠率會更高這樣我想對他來說,他會更失望,我想這就是我們這個政治中\n\n9\n00:03:06,977 --> 00:03:14,081\n救出一個病情的時候我們必須要考慮不一樣的族群的族群裡面的一個病情的問題對啦因為署長說實在的我們每一個族群我們都要去照顧我認為說你的照顧當中我們都說到弱勢弱勢竟然要照顧問題但是最前進\n\n10\n00:03:33,453 --> 00:03:44,228\n我們想要去社會住宅,就是基礎正義,才去社會住宅嘛,是不是這樣?是嘛,在這個過程當中,我覺得每一個官司的訴求\n\n11\n00:03:49,506 --> 00:03:54,250\n賣一定是一樣像嘉義我剛才跟你談到這個也很大觀的再來以來嘉義市未來鐵路高架開始漸漸完成的時候要聽到他們附近的\n\n12\n00:04:08,485 --> 00:04:27,485\n所以在這裏面,我們也有可能,我們的地方政府把你們的中央用專案來處理,也有這個可能啊你有沒有想到,因為第二次現在,有的去鐵路高架因為一本身,可以說住在車頭附近的\n\n13\n00:04:31,989 --> 00:04:50,834\n比較都是在台中所在的醫醫比較很弱勢的就是這個問題的存在所以我剛才說的是每一個官司每一個官司的訴求跟需要是會不一樣的\n\n14\n00:04:52,114 --> 00:05:04,537\n市長你知不知道我自己的需要可以跟你說的這個問題可以來頂跟中央因為這件事來彌補一下來做專案有可能嗎?市長你講一下因為你像現在的鐵路哥計劃的部分它一定做成\n\n15\n00:05:17,180 --> 00:05:32,516\n某一些程度的拆遷這我過去在台南有處理過一樣的問題所以台南那時候用的是安置住宅是用安置住宅但是這不是每一個地方政府都可以一定用這樣但是我想可以比較好的建議是它有點類似可以找\n\n16\n00:05:36,219 --> 00:06:04,471\n國有的阿好就是說類似用都更的方式我去另外辦一個叫做安置出租住宅它有可能是地基幹的也有可能是做一個六宗十宗那就叫安置出租住宅那是兩岸用類似都更的方式我想加以其來公有地也有但是對這個公有地就是說它不一定是當局一定要做這個提供的部分但是你就可以讓類似用透過都更一直部分的\n\n17\n00:06:05,231 --> 00:06:19,503\n是一百萬可以做土地的出分但是一百萬它的工藝性設施就是做安置出租住宅這樣的話呢可以提供給這裡的因為這個鐵路局計劃它沒有地方大現在沒有地方大它可以來這裡做我想這也是一個改革的方式對啦因為蘇丁\n\n18\n00:06:24,187 --> 00:06:28,331\n因為我們要發展到要想到我們北省地方需要什麼問題可以來解決如果等到之後還要來解決要來找可能也不會有開車過到本埤那裡不會有啦在這裡本省跟你談到在這裡我們地方跟中央\n\n19\n00:06:45,647 --> 00:06:47,870\n會有一個合作的機會再來本縣要跟你談到的就是說我們嘉義市的北港路有個案的幾位來賓在最近你們有來動議\n\n20\n00:07:01,323 --> 00:07:03,364\n他們來的時候,未來你們要怎麼協助?地方有需要什麼嗎?因為我覺得這是自己的人所擁有的地方,因為我覺得有自己的故事說出來的故事\n\n21\n00:07:20,894 --> 00:07:26,137\n可以加一條而已所以說這是對教育市政局的發展跟經濟有很大的關係但是我也認為我們的中央可以繼續合作對應因為我說實在的我不愛分藍綠也不愛分東白只是對應的發展再做好不然有時候說實在的\n\n22\n00:07:48,070 --> 00:07:50,591\n你們做到老大,風險到老大,這樣就不好了,所以在這裡,你有需要補充,我們自己是北京路的大型生育會發展,協助什麼,請你回答一下\n\n23\n00:08:04,798 --> 00:08:25,882\n感謝委員已經蘇哈幫我們問很多遍了我相信這案因為拖太久了他伺服過去已經拖了十多年都不好處理了處理的過程中內容一直變更都是大幅度的變更所以我們走向這三十位委員覺得說他現在所作的內容已經把十幾年前他提出來要做個人變更的理由已經完全沒有了\n\n24\n00:08:30,863 --> 00:08:56,450\n所以...所以...但是呢它剋錄到北京樓的這個...但是一定沒工的嘛時空配件不一樣當然...所以我可以告訴你這個保安啊原來是支持但是呢因為你的廠所已經完全都沒工了所以退黨你叫你對頭會公開電纜你要對頭先開始做第二這是一個...交易管制聯合的土地紀委所以過程中...\n\n25\n00:08:57,410 --> 00:09:05,498\n主席不好意思,我來你解釋一下你說嘉義縣市聯合作為作為,現在有一個國會聲音說嘉義縣如果不同意嘉義市做,嘉義市又不能做,是不是這樣?應該是說嘉義縣政府不管是在這個電影政府的公開電纜跟市委會的審查過程中,它可以標示意見\n\n26\n00:09:22,509 --> 00:09:25,750\n甚至到內政部的時候,他也可以標示意見對啦,是標示意見發展公家、大家相擁啦是是是你是說加以關,同意不同意齁來做先加日期的發展啦\n\n27\n00:09:38,474 --> 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請你休息一下吳署長有請委員好市長\n師父,在今天探討的主宰法裡面,我們要自己探討的,應該是教育那一部分因為我覺得這個規定當中,像剛才張鋒祿早前說的,你的弱勢拿高一點,現在不一定40%,因為我們做公司的薪金就是10%\n開始以為不足不足,到現在40%嘛40%的時候,今天有幾個啊我們當然說我們也提高到50%啦但是在這裡面,我所擔憂的就是說我們弱勢要照顧,年輕人我們也要照顧\n這是最重要的,說到那裡,像高麗就好了,高麗在北京,我們已經在派友中的美女的眼前,安寮已經發飽了,但是還未能脫,到現在還健康的時候,安寮當時的眼前也不知道,\n但是在這個過程當中,嘉義市有很多年輕人都回鄉回來也有年輕人看到嘉義市好大好做生意,對著他的抱負他也很愛在嘉外,嘉義來生活所以在這個生活圈當中,年輕人像剛才這樣說的\n年輕人會排擠到,是不是這樣來請市長,你覺得如何?這就是我剛才所報告,原主席的抽籤,在大概6歲的部分,他目前規定40%的數字,已經實質上已經是破50%了,就是說市長已經有救了\n她可以抽兩遍所以她的機率就比較高嘛是是,所以妳如果夠50%以上我們歡樂的她就是會衝到60%到70%這樣原來我們這個屬於比較年輕人還是說她當她有工作,當她有工作開始在做她有需要的時候,結果她的族群是非常大但是她的重簽率會越來越多越來越多,她原來這個弱勢族群的重簽率就是\n已經差不多三倍,一半後的三倍你如果叫我管的時候,他的仲欠率會更高所以這邊會越來越高,我想對這個年輕人來說因為現在房價上升,他剛好剛好有收入結果我沒辦法買房子的時候,我當需要做房子的時候結果這部分的仲欠率會更高這樣我想對他來說,他會更失望,我想這就是我們這個政治中\n救出一個病情的時候我們必須要考慮不一樣的族群的族群裡面的一個病情的問題對啦 因為署長說實在的我們每一個族群我們都要去照顧我認為說你的照顧當中我們都說到弱勢 弱勢竟然要照顧問題但是最前進\n我們想要去社會住宅,就是基礎正義,才去社會住宅嘛,是不是這樣?是嘛,在這個過程當中,我覺得每一個官司的訴求\n賣一定是一樣像嘉義我剛才跟你談到這個也很大觀的再來以來嘉義市未來鐵路高架開始漸漸完成的時候要聽到他們附近的\n所以在這裏面,我們也有可能,我們的地方政府把你們的中央用專案來處理,也有這個可能啊你有沒有想到,因為第二次現在,有的去鐵路高架因為一本身,可以說住在車頭附近的\n比較都是在台中所在的醫醫比較很弱勢的就是這個問題的存在所以我剛才說的是每一個官司每一個官司的訴求跟需要是會不一樣的\n市長你知不知道我自己的需要可以跟你說的這個問題可以來頂跟中央因為這件事來彌補一下來做專案有可能嗎?市長你講一下因為你像現在的鐵路哥計劃的部分它一定做成\n某一些程度的拆遷這我過去在台南有處理過一樣的問題所以台南那時候用的是安置住宅是用安置住宅但是這不是每一個地方政府都可以一定用這樣但是我想可以比較好的建議是它有點類似可以找\n國有的阿好就是說類似用都更的方式我去另外辦一個叫做安置出租住宅它有可能是地基幹的也有可能是做一個六宗十宗那就叫安置出租住宅那是兩岸用類似都更的方式我想加以其來公有地也有但是對這個公有地就是說它不一定是當局一定要做這個提供的部分但是你就可以讓類似用透過都更一直部分的\n是一百萬可以做土地的出分但是一百萬它的工藝性設施就是做安置出租住宅這樣的話呢可以提供給這裡的因為這個鐵路局計劃它沒有地方大 現在沒有地方大它可以來這裡做我想這也是一個改革的方式對啦 因為蘇丁\n因為我們要發展到要想到我們北省地方需要什麼問題可以來解決如果等到之後還要來解決要來找可能也不會有開車過到本埤那裡不會有啦在這裡本省跟你談到在這裡我們地方跟中央\n會有一個合作的機會再來本縣要跟你談到的就是說我們嘉義市的北港路有個案的幾位來賓在最近你們有來動議\n他們來的時候,未來你們要怎麼協助?地方有需要什麼嗎?因為我覺得這是自己的人所擁有的地方,因為我覺得有自己的故事說出來的故事\n可以加一條而已所以說這是對教育市政局的發展跟經濟有很大的關係但是我也認為我們的中央可以繼續合作對應因為我說實在的我不愛分藍綠也不愛分東白只是對應的發展再做好不然有時候說實在的\n你們做到老大,風險到老大,這樣就不好了,所以在這裡,你有需要補充,我們自己是北京路的大型生育會發展,協助什麼,請你回答一下\n感謝 委員已經 蘇哈 幫我們問很多遍了我相信這案因為拖太久了他伺服過去已經拖了十多年都不好處理了處理的過程中 內容一直變更 都是大幅度的變更所以我們走向這三十位委員 覺得說他現在所作的內容 已經把十幾年前他提出來要做個人變更的理由 已經完全沒有了\n所以...所以...但是呢 它剋錄到北京樓的這個...但是一定沒工的嘛 時空配件不一樣 當然...所以我可以告訴你 這個保安啊 原來是支持但是呢 因為你的廠所已經完全都沒工了所以退黨你 叫你對頭 會公開電纜你要對頭先開始做 第二 這是一個...交易管制 聯合的土地紀委所以過程中...\n主席不好意思,我來你解釋一下你說嘉義縣市聯合作為作為,現在有一個國會聲音說嘉義縣如果不同意嘉義市做,嘉義市又不能做,是不是這樣?應該是說嘉義縣政府不管是在這個電影政府的公開電纜跟市委會的審查過程中,它可以標示意見\n甚至到內政部的時候,他也可以標示意見對啦,是標示意見發展公家、大家相擁啦是是是你是說加以關,同意不同意齁來做先加日期的發展啦\n當然中央的角色一定是說地方政府一定要聯合一定要合作你不可以說是互相抵制但是我們不可以忽略對方的需求啦我相信這是一定的嘛大家都好這樣給最祖國我們希望看到是這樣啦希望看到是這樣\n抱歉,今天我要利用這個時間問候咖啡廳的發展,因為有很多百姓有時還沒了解,想說跟中央那樣,都沒辦法拿咖啡廳來想辦法,這樣就不好了在這裡本省也要拜託咖啡廳,因為咖啡廳的政府也有非常認真發表\n我希望我們中央家庭保障 能夠自己去北京路這條路來完成 也能夠自己去做一個橋樑讓他們能夠更好地溝通 以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.202 --> 00:09.730\n就是我們請市長好請你休息一下吳署長有請委員好市長\n\n00:14.336 --> 00:20.901\n師父,在今天探討的主宰法裡面,我們要自己探討的,應該是教育那一部分因為我覺得這個規定當中,像剛才張鋒祿早前說的,你的弱勢拿高一點,現在不一定40%,因為我們做公司的薪金就是10%\n\n00:40.914 --> 00:45.056\n開始以為不足不足,到現在40%嘛40%的時候,今天有幾個啊我們當然說我們也提高到50%啦但是在這裡面,我所擔憂的就是說我們弱勢要照顧,年輕人我們也要照顧\n\n01:04.258 --> 01:09.662\n這是最重要的,說到那裡,像高麗就好了,高麗在北京,我們已經在派友中的美女的眼前,安寮已經發飽了,但是還未能脫,到現在還健康的時候,安寮當時的眼前也不知道,\n\n01:28.715 --> 01:52.136\n但是在這個過程當中,嘉義市有很多年輕人都回鄉回來也有年輕人看到嘉義市好大好做生意,對著他的抱負他也很愛在嘉外,嘉義來生活所以在這個生活圈當中,年輕人像剛才這樣說的\n\n01:54.198 --> 02:05.947\n年輕人會排擠到,是不是這樣來請市長,你覺得如何?這就是我剛才所報告,原主席的抽籤,在大概6歲的部分,他目前規定40%的數字,已經實質上已經是破50%了,就是說市長已經有救了\n\n02:15.154 --> 02:21.579\n她可以抽兩遍所以她的機率就比較高嘛是是,所以妳如果夠50%以上我們歡樂的她就是會衝到60%到70%這樣原來我們這個屬於比較年輕人還是說她當她有工作,當她有工作開始在做她有需要的時候,結果她的族群是非常大但是她的重簽率會越來越多越來越多,她原來這個弱勢族群的重簽率就是\n\n02:41.634 --> 02:52.364\n已經差不多三倍,一半後的三倍你如果叫我管的時候,他的仲欠率會更高所以這邊會越來越高,我想對這個年輕人來說因為現在房價上升,他剛好剛好有收入結果我沒辦法買房子的時候,我當需要做房子的時候結果這部分的仲欠率會更高這樣我想對他來說,他會更失望,我想這就是我們這個政治中\n\n03:06.977 --> 03:14.081\n救出一個病情的時候我們必須要考慮不一樣的族群的族群裡面的一個病情的問題對啦因為署長說實在的我們每一個族群我們都要去照顧我認為說你的照顧當中我們都說到弱勢弱勢竟然要照顧問題但是最前進\n\n03:33.453 --> 03:44.228\n我們想要去社會住宅,就是基礎正義,才去社會住宅嘛,是不是這樣?是嘛,在這個過程當中,我覺得每一個官司的訴求\n\n03:49.506 --> 03:54.250\n賣一定是一樣像嘉義我剛才跟你談到這個也很大觀的再來以來嘉義市未來鐵路高架開始漸漸完成的時候要聽到他們附近的\n\n04:08.485 --> 04:27.485\n所以在這裏面,我們也有可能,我們的地方政府把你們的中央用專案來處理,也有這個可能啊你有沒有想到,因為第二次現在,有的去鐵路高架因為一本身,可以說住在車頭附近的\n\n04:31.989 --> 04:50.834\n比較都是在台中所在的醫醫比較很弱勢的就是這個問題的存在所以我剛才說的是每一個官司每一個官司的訴求跟需要是會不一樣的\n\n04:52.114 --> 05:04.537\n市長你知不知道我自己的需要可以跟你說的這個問題可以來頂跟中央因為這件事來彌補一下來做專案有可能嗎?市長你講一下因為你像現在的鐵路哥計劃的部分它一定做成\n\n05:17.180 --> 05:32.516\n某一些程度的拆遷這我過去在台南有處理過一樣的問題所以台南那時候用的是安置住宅是用安置住宅但是這不是每一個地方政府都可以一定用這樣但是我想可以比較好的建議是它有點類似可以找\n\n05:36.219 --> 06:04.471\n國有的阿好就是說類似用都更的方式我去另外辦一個叫做安置出租住宅它有可能是地基幹的也有可能是做一個六宗十宗那就叫安置出租住宅那是兩岸用類似都更的方式我想加以其來公有地也有但是對這個公有地就是說它不一定是當局一定要做這個提供的部分但是你就可以讓類似用透過都更一直部分的\n\n06:05.231 --> 06:19.503\n是一百萬可以做土地的出分但是一百萬它的工藝性設施就是做安置出租住宅這樣的話呢可以提供給這裡的因為這個鐵路局計劃它沒有地方大現在沒有地方大它可以來這裡做我想這也是一個改革的方式對啦因為蘇丁\n\n06:24.187 --> 06:28.331\n因為我們要發展到要想到我們北省地方需要什麼問題可以來解決如果等到之後還要來解決要來找可能也不會有開車過到本埤那裡不會有啦在這裡本省跟你談到在這裡我們地方跟中央\n\n06:45.647 --> 06:47.870\n會有一個合作的機會再來本縣要跟你談到的就是說我們嘉義市的北港路有個案的幾位來賓在最近你們有來動議\n\n07:01.323 --> 07:03.364\n他們來的時候,未來你們要怎麼協助?地方有需要什麼嗎?因為我覺得這是自己的人所擁有的地方,因為我覺得有自己的故事說出來的故事\n\n07:20.894 --> 07:26.137\n可以加一條而已所以說這是對教育市政局的發展跟經濟有很大的關係但是我也認為我們的中央可以繼續合作對應因為我說實在的我不愛分藍綠也不愛分東白只是對應的發展再做好不然有時候說實在的\n\n07:48.070 --> 07:50.591\n你們做到老大,風險到老大,這樣就不好了,所以在這裡,你有需要補充,我們自己是北京路的大型生育會發展,協助什麼,請你回答一下\n\n08:04.798 --> 08:25.882\n感謝委員已經蘇哈幫我們問很多遍了我相信這案因為拖太久了他伺服過去已經拖了十多年都不好處理了處理的過程中內容一直變更都是大幅度的變更所以我們走向這三十位委員覺得說他現在所作的內容已經把十幾年前他提出來要做個人變更的理由已經完全沒有了\n\n08:30.863 --> 08:56.450\n所以...所以...但是呢它剋錄到北京樓的這個...但是一定沒工的嘛時空配件不一樣當然...所以我可以告訴你這個保安啊原來是支持但是呢因為你的廠所已經完全都沒工了所以退黨你叫你對頭會公開電纜你要對頭先開始做第二這是一個...交易管制聯合的土地紀委所以過程中...\n\n08:57.410 --> 09:05.498\n主席不好意思,我來你解釋一下你說嘉義縣市聯合作為作為,現在有一個國會聲音說嘉義縣如果不同意嘉義市做,嘉義市又不能做,是不是這樣?應該是說嘉義縣政府不管是在這個電影政府的公開電纜跟市委會的審查過程中,它可以標示意見\n\n09:22.509 --> 09:25.750\n甚至到內政部的時候,他也可以標示意見對啦,是標示意見發展公家、大家相擁啦是是是你是說加以關,同意不同意齁來做先加日期的發展啦\n\n09:38.474 --> 09:52.868\n當然中央的角色一定是說地方政府一定要聯合一定要合作你不可以說是互相抵制但是我們不可以忽略對方的需求啦我相信這是一定的嘛大家都好這樣給最祖國我們希望看到是這樣啦希望看到是這樣\n\n09:59.674 --> 10:05.899\n抱歉,今天我要利用這個時間問候咖啡廳的發展,因為有很多百姓有時還沒了解,想說跟中央那樣,都沒辦法拿咖啡廳來想辦法,這樣就不好了在這裡本省也要拜託咖啡廳,因為咖啡廳的政府也有非常認真發表\n\n10:23.353 --> 10:27.018\n我希望我們中央家庭保障能夠自己去北京路這條路來完成也能夠自己去做一個橋樑讓他們能夠更好地溝通以上謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":5.202,"end":9.73,"text":"就是我們請市長好 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