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00:01:14,513\n那可是呢還是有非常多的選民因此來跟我反應因為其實他們平常是租屋族然後他們遇到的狀況差不多很多都是說第一個就是要準備要續約之前房東就跟他說要跟他漲租不然就不能續約\n\n5\n00:01:15,914 --> 00:01:30,541\n那另外一种就是在合约期间当中可能他一次跟你住三年那他在第一年的时候就跟你说要随意的调涨那不然就是说之后也就不让你租了那这种情况其实屡见不鲜\n\n6\n00:01:31,221 --> 00:01:52,674\n那我想要问的是说其实在世界各国针对这个租赁其实都有蛮多的专访那我在这边举几个例子就是以美国加州来说就是如果房东现在要涨租那涨幅在10%以下房东必须要提前30天通知那如果你一次的涨幅超过10%必须要提前90天通知\n\n7\n00:01:53,581 --> 00:02:21,678\n就是他在调整的这个幅度跟他的时间都是有一个非常明确的规范的那英国也是看他的租期不同他的年如果是年租的话必须要在六个月以前通知六个月哦然后如果是月租就是必须要在提前一个月之前通知那纽西兰也是说你至少要在六十天之前就要书面通知如果你想要跟房客之间的契约有变化的话\n\n8\n00:02:22,378 --> 00:02:45,757\n那日本也是甚至日本是有一个借地借家法他们有一个非常明确的租赁专法里面是说如果房东跟房客之间他不想要再租给这个房客了必须要半年之前就已书面通知而且必须要写上非常明确的正当理由才不可以就是你才可以跟房客终止合约哦\n\n9\n00:02:46,377 --> 00:03:10,979\n所以相对国外其实有蛮多对于租屋族这些租屋的权益是有更明确的保障的但是在台湾好像租屋族都是无可挂牛必须要到处流浪那甚至我自己租的经验也非常多就是租了大概十年的房子那也都是必须要看房东脸色看他要不要租给你看他要不要涨租看他要不要有一些更多的条件的变化\n\n10\n00:03:11,599 --> 00:03:24,987\n那所以我在這邊是希望說不知道國土署針對這種房東跟房客之間的權益的保障可不可以有進一步的研擬進一步的建議甚至未來有沒有機會我們也來擬一部租賃的專法呢\n\n11\n00:03:26,284 --> 00:03:50,886\n根文報告這個部分因為在部裡面它屬於地政司的業務是不是好地政司委員好那有關於我們一般租屋族的住宅租賃的部分其實委員剛也提到在我們定型化契約裡面已經有規定到租屋約期間不能任意漲租的規定那如果有相關問題這個包含我們的消保單位都可以來協助民眾來做一個處理那委員剛剛有提到一個部分就是\n\n12\n00:03:51,186 --> 00:04:19,045\n外有些對於住宅租賃的部分也有提前如果你要解除租約終止租約前房東要在多久以前去通知房客包含說可能他租期的長短不一樣可能會有不同的做法其實我們有收集到這些相關的資訊那其實我們在做一個租約的一個規定的一個檢討的時候其實我們現在也把它收集我們會做一個滾動的一個檢討來更保障那一個民眾的一個權益\n\n13\n00:04:19,465 --> 00:04:42,952\n那你們目前是打算要修在哪個現在可能在定型化契約的部分的應記載不得記載事項裡面看可不可以先去做一個檢討的規定不過因為其實這個部分的話我們也在收集相關的租屋族有沒有相關的問題因為我們那個規定也剛修過所以可能會在下一次的通盤的部分的話一起來做一個處理\n\n14\n00:04:43,632 --> 00:05:08,107\n好谢谢说明那可能就是未来会在这个住宅租赁定型化契约应记载及不得记载事项跟或者是有没有机会在消费者保护法里面有更多的权益的保障那如果可以的话希望下一次通盘前逃的时候再把这部分就是包括提前多久然后必须要告知然后还有就是这个明确的书面的理由这些都要写上去\n\n15\n00:05:08,567 --> 00:05:31,289\n好谢谢好那再来继续讲这个社宅这个社宅其实我们也讲了很多次了那我觉得最大的问题包括因为其实我从在当议员的时候就不断地在讲社宅的轮候制那甚至是还有这个租金的一定比例的透明化然后还有就是可以入住的条件资格等等其实都讨论了非常多那我觉得最大的问题还是成量不足\n\n16\n00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:52,622\n那成量不足這個問題實在是現在都是各地必須要一起來努力啦因為以高雄來說因為我們市政府非常配合就是我們努力幫忙找地然後努力幫忙協調在地的鄰里的關係然後努力幫忙協調在地的一些使用的方式所以呢目前其實高雄的進度都還算蠻順利的\n\n17\n00:05:53,703 --> 00:06:10,498\n那我這個覺得當然要跟各縣市再努力再協調啦只有再努力再協調才可以把全台灣各縣市真的有辦法空出來的地全部找出來來蓋社宅嘛那這個是目前要達到存量最大的目標那我算了一下喔因為\n\n18\n00:06:11,278 --> 00:06:29,711\n應該是說我們還是要再繼續往前看怎麼說呢因為以目前我們內政部門目標8年20萬戶目前其實最大就是包括把興建中以絕標還有在規劃中的全部加起來就是大概18萬戶啦我必須老實說嘛目前就是這樣那如果達到存量的比例大概就是1.9%\n\n19\n00:06:31,132 --> 00:06:52,955\n那其實以國外來說我還是要講一下先進國家裡面的涉災成量的比例是非常非常高以歐洲國家來說荷蘭是29%然後英國16%然後丹麥19%芬蘭18%瑞典18%那以亞洲來說當然亞洲相對低但是以日本來說涉災的成量也有5%那我們是1.9\n\n20\n00:06:53,996 --> 00:07:16,862\n而且我是加上新建規劃然後決標全部加起來全部就是只有1.9也就是說當我們存量不足的時候我剛剛提的那些制度問題包括可不可以趕快輪候制啊可不可以趕快把資格條件放寬這些都很難往下討論因為我每次講完我前面那些我都已經討論過了包括資格條件可不可以再寬一點啊然後趕快讓輪候制進場\n\n21\n00:07:19,062 --> 00:07:45,038\n然後甚至是全國有一個統一的登記的平台這些大家才不會抽籤抽籤率這麼低嘛可是討論到之後每次國土署都說存量不足真的就是沒有辦法往下走所以我在想是不是這個存量的問題可不可以優先的解決然後目標再往前放18萬戶還是太少啊全國如果我們最後真的全部完成了1.9%耶亞洲最低都有5%是\n\n22\n00:07:46,667 --> 00:08:04,923\n我們其實也是努力因為即使到下一階段我們大概也是到2.5%2.5%就是我們認定的低標啦我們起碼要先努力往那個低標邁進那這個低標25萬戶都出現了那這個就可以去談有沒有這一個\n\n23\n00:08:06,023 --> 00:08:21,331\n全國具體的一個輪候的統一登記量輪候的否則就會像我們剛剛所講我可能為了自己的生活圈需求我就一直在重複登記而且重複登記越多其實大家要實現的輪候會越困難這也是我們在考慮的一個問題所以這我們還是會努力的往這個\n\n24\n00:08:26,694 --> 00:08:52,889\n達到2.5%這樣的一個存量的目標先來邁進好謝謝署長那這個就是一起加油那因為其實這個輪候制我真的也講很久了啦所以如果可以我知道有一些地方也開始試辦那如果可以的話其實還是可以先並行然後之後的話我們就慢慢都朝向輪候的方式去改因為確實歐洲的成效還不錯那我們也都看到這個是我們可以遵循的方向好謝謝署長\n\n25\n00:08:56,347 --> 00:08:56,368\n喔!\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1820\t18795\t好 謝謝主席 我們請署長好 署長好今天因為其實都是在談論這個租屋的正義那其實租屋的正義包括非常多的面向所以前面我想要先討論一下最近在我的選區有一個非常紅的日本飯糰店\n20336\t38228\t那這個飯糰店他紅到什麼樣子呢就是這幾天大家為了要聲援這個老闆所以每天都去排隊支持他們那他們的週分是什麼其實也跟這個租屋的合約有點關係那當然其實大家就是在討論說這個租屋族啊\n39108\t58482\t就是到底房東可不可以隨意的講約那當然合約都是白紙黑字寫得非常清楚那再加上他們是租店面嘛所以是商用的契約那這個商用的租賃裡面當然就是回歸民事的這個就本來就是雙方協議不可以隨意講租那不然就是叫民事的這個合約下去走\n58942\t74513\t那可是呢還是有非常多的選民因此來跟我反應因為其實他們平常是租屋族然後他們遇到的狀況差不多很多都是說第一個就是要準備要續約之前房東就跟他說要跟他漲租不然就不能續約\n75914\t90541\t那另外一种就是在合约期间当中可能他一次跟你住三年那他在第一年的时候就跟你说要随意的调涨那不然就是说之后也就不让你租了那这种情况其实屡见不鲜\n91221\t112674\t那我想要问的是说其实在世界各国针对这个租赁其实都有蛮多的专访那我在这边举几个例子就是以美国加州来说就是如果房东现在要涨租那涨幅在10%以下房东必须要提前30天通知那如果你一次的涨幅超过10%必须要提前90天通知\n113581\t141678\t就是他在调整的这个幅度跟他的时间都是有一个非常明确的规范的那英国也是看他的租期不同他的年如果是年租的话必须要在六个月以前通知六个月哦然后如果是月租就是必须要在提前一个月之前通知那纽西兰也是说你至少要在六十天之前就要书面通知如果你想要跟房客之间的契约有变化的话\n142378\t165757\t那日本也是甚至日本是有一个借地借家法他们有一个非常明确的租赁专法里面是说如果房东跟房客之间他不想要再租给这个房客了必须要半年之前就已书面通知而且必须要写上非常明确的正当理由才不可以就是你才可以跟房客终止合约哦\n166377\t190979\t所以相对国外其实有蛮多对于租屋族这些租屋的权益是有更明确的保障的但是在台湾好像租屋族都是无可挂牛必须要到处流浪那甚至我自己租的经验也非常多就是租了大概十年的房子那也都是必须要看房东脸色看他要不要租给你看他要不要涨租看他要不要有一些更多的条件的变化\n191599\t204987\t那所以我在這邊是希望說不知道國土署針對這種房東跟房客之間的權益的保障可不可以有進一步的研擬進一步的建議甚至未來有沒有機會我們也來擬一部租賃的專法呢\n206284\t230886\t根文報告這個部分因為在部裡面它屬於地政司的業務是不是好地政司委員好那有關於我們一般租屋族的住宅租賃的部分其實委員剛也提到在我們定型化契約裡面已經有規定到租屋約期間不能任意漲租的規定那如果有相關問題這個包含我們的消保單位都可以來協助民眾來做一個處理那委員剛剛有提到一個部分就是\n231186\t259045\t外有些對於住宅租賃的部分也有提前如果你要解除租約終止租約前房東要在多久以前去通知房客包含說可能他租期的長短不一樣可能會有不同的做法其實我們有收集到這些相關的資訊那其實我們在做一個租約的一個規定的一個檢討的時候其實我們現在也把它收集我們會做一個滾動的一個檢討來更保障那一個民眾的一個權益\n259465\t282952\t那你們目前是打算要修在哪個現在可能在定型化契約的部分的應記載不得記載事項裡面看可不可以先去做一個檢討的規定不過因為其實這個部分的話我們也在收集相關的租屋族有沒有相關的問題因為我們那個規定也剛修過所以可能會在下一次的通盤的部分的話一起來做一個處理\n283632\t308107\t好谢谢说明那可能就是未来会在这个住宅租赁定型化契约应记载及不得记载事项跟或者是有没有机会在消费者保护法里面有更多的权益的保障那如果可以的话希望下一次通盘前逃的时候再把这部分就是包括提前多久然后必须要告知然后还有就是这个明确的书面的理由这些都要写上去\n308567\t331289\t好 谢谢好 那再来继续讲这个社宅这个社宅其实我们也讲了很多次了那我觉得最大的问题包括因为其实我从在当议员的时候就不断地在讲社宅的轮候制那甚至是还有这个租金的一定比例的透明化然后还有就是可以入住的条件资格等等其实都讨论了非常多那我觉得最大的问题还是成量不足\n332079\t352622\t那成量不足這個問題實在是現在都是各地必須要一起來努力啦因為以高雄來說因為我們市政府非常配合就是我們努力幫忙找地然後努力幫忙協調在地的鄰里的關係然後努力幫忙協調在地的一些使用的方式所以呢目前其實高雄的進度都還算蠻順利的\n353703\t370498\t那我這個覺得當然要跟各縣市再努力再協調啦只有再努力再協調才可以把全台灣各縣市真的有辦法空出來的地全部找出來來蓋社宅嘛那這個是目前要達到存量最大的目標那我算了一下喔因為\n371278\t389711\t應該是說我們還是要再繼續往前看怎麼說呢因為以目前我們內政部門目標8年20萬戶目前其實最大就是包括把興建中以絕標還有在規劃中的全部加起來就是大概18萬戶啦我必須老實說嘛目前就是這樣那如果達到存量的比例大概就是1.9%\n391132\t412955\t那其實以國外來說我還是要講一下先進國家裡面的涉災成量的比例是非常非常高以歐洲國家來說荷蘭是29%然後英國16%然後丹麥19%芬蘭18%瑞典18%那以亞洲來說當然亞洲相對低但是以日本來說涉災的成量也有5%那我們是1.9\n413996\t436862\t而且我是加上新建規劃然後決標全部加起來全部就是只有1.9也就是說當我們存量不足的時候我剛剛提的那些制度問題包括可不可以趕快輪候制啊可不可以趕快把資格條件放寬這些都很難往下討論因為我每次講完我前面那些我都已經討論過了包括資格條件可不可以再寬一點啊然後趕快讓輪候制進場\n439062\t465038\t然後甚至是全國有一個統一的登記的平台這些大家才不會抽籤抽籤率這麼低嘛可是討論到之後每次國土署都說存量不足真的就是沒有辦法往下走所以我在想是不是這個存量的問題可不可以優先的解決然後目標再往前放18萬戶還是太少啊全國如果我們最後真的全部完成了1.9%耶亞洲最低都有5%是\n466667\t484923\t我們其實也是努力因為即使到下一階段我們大概也是到2.5%2.5%就是我們認定的低標啦我們起碼要先努力往那個低標邁進那這個低標25萬戶都出現了那這個就可以去談有沒有這一個\n486023\t501331\t全國具體的一個輪候的統一登記量輪候的否則就會像我們剛剛所講我可能為了自己的生活圈需求我就一直在重複登記而且重複登記越多其實大家要實現的輪候會越困難這也是我們在考慮的一個問題所以這我們還是會努力的往這個\n506694\t532889\t達到2.5%這樣的一個存量的目標先來邁進好謝謝署長那這個就是一起加油那因為其實這個輪候制我真的也講很久了啦所以如果可以我知道有一些地方也開始試辦那如果可以的話其實還是可以先並行然後之後的話我們就慢慢都朝向輪候的方式去改因為確實歐洲的成效還不錯那我們也都看到這個是我們可以遵循的方向好謝謝署長\n536347\t536368\t喔!\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請署長好 署長好今天因為其實都是在談論這個租屋的正義那其實租屋的正義包括非常多的面向所以前面我想要先討論一下最近在我的選區有一個非常紅的日本飯糰店\n那這個飯糰店他紅到什麼樣子呢就是這幾天大家為了要聲援這個老闆所以每天都去排隊支持他們那他們的週分是什麼其實也跟這個租屋的合約有點關係那當然其實大家就是在討論說這個租屋族啊\n就是到底房東可不可以隨意的講約那當然合約都是白紙黑字寫得非常清楚那再加上他們是租店面嘛所以是商用的契約那這個商用的租賃裡面當然就是回歸民事的這個就本來就是雙方協議不可以隨意講租那不然就是叫民事的這個合約下去走\n那可是呢還是有非常多的選民因此來跟我反應因為其實他們平常是租屋族然後他們遇到的狀況差不多很多都是說第一個就是要準備要續約之前房東就跟他說要跟他漲租不然就不能續約\n那另外一种就是在合约期间当中可能他一次跟你住三年那他在第一年的时候就跟你说要随意的调涨那不然就是说之后也就不让你租了那这种情况其实屡见不鲜\n那我想要问的是说其实在世界各国针对这个租赁其实都有蛮多的专访那我在这边举几个例子就是以美国加州来说就是如果房东现在要涨租那涨幅在10%以下房东必须要提前30天通知那如果你一次的涨幅超过10%必须要提前90天通知\n就是他在调整的这个幅度跟他的时间都是有一个非常明确的规范的那英国也是看他的租期不同他的年如果是年租的话必须要在六个月以前通知六个月哦然后如果是月租就是必须要在提前一个月之前通知那纽西兰也是说你至少要在六十天之前就要书面通知如果你想要跟房客之间的契约有变化的话\n那日本也是甚至日本是有一个借地借家法他们有一个非常明确的租赁专法里面是说如果房东跟房客之间他不想要再租给这个房客了必须要半年之前就已书面通知而且必须要写上非常明确的正当理由才不可以就是你才可以跟房客终止合约哦\n所以相对国外其实有蛮多对于租屋族这些租屋的权益是有更明确的保障的但是在台湾好像租屋族都是无可挂牛必须要到处流浪那甚至我自己租的经验也非常多就是租了大概十年的房子那也都是必须要看房东脸色看他要不要租给你看他要不要涨租看他要不要有一些更多的条件的变化\n那所以我在這邊是希望說不知道國土署針對這種房東跟房客之間的權益的保障可不可以有進一步的研擬進一步的建議甚至未來有沒有機會我們也來擬一部租賃的專法呢\n根文報告這個部分因為在部裡面它屬於地政司的業務是不是好地政司委員好那有關於我們一般租屋族的住宅租賃的部分其實委員剛也提到在我們定型化契約裡面已經有規定到租屋約期間不能任意漲租的規定那如果有相關問題這個包含我們的消保單位都可以來協助民眾來做一個處理那委員剛剛有提到一個部分就是\n外有些對於住宅租賃的部分也有提前如果你要解除租約終止租約前房東要在多久以前去通知房客包含說可能他租期的長短不一樣可能會有不同的做法其實我們有收集到這些相關的資訊那其實我們在做一個租約的一個規定的一個檢討的時候其實我們現在也把它收集我們會做一個滾動的一個檢討來更保障那一個民眾的一個權益\n那你們目前是打算要修在哪個現在可能在定型化契約的部分的應記載不得記載事項裡面看可不可以先去做一個檢討的規定不過因為其實這個部分的話我們也在收集相關的租屋族有沒有相關的問題因為我們那個規定也剛修過所以可能會在下一次的通盤的部分的話一起來做一個處理\n好谢谢说明那可能就是未来会在这个住宅租赁定型化契约应记载及不得记载事项跟或者是有没有机会在消费者保护法里面有更多的权益的保障那如果可以的话希望下一次通盘前逃的时候再把这部分就是包括提前多久然后必须要告知然后还有就是这个明确的书面的理由这些都要写上去\n好 谢谢好 那再来继续讲这个社宅这个社宅其实我们也讲了很多次了那我觉得最大的问题包括因为其实我从在当议员的时候就不断地在讲社宅的轮候制那甚至是还有这个租金的一定比例的透明化然后还有就是可以入住的条件资格等等其实都讨论了非常多那我觉得最大的问题还是成量不足\n那成量不足這個問題實在是現在都是各地必須要一起來努力啦因為以高雄來說因為我們市政府非常配合就是我們努力幫忙找地然後努力幫忙協調在地的鄰里的關係然後努力幫忙協調在地的一些使用的方式所以呢目前其實高雄的進度都還算蠻順利的\n那我這個覺得當然要跟各縣市再努力再協調啦只有再努力再協調才可以把全台灣各縣市真的有辦法空出來的地全部找出來來蓋社宅嘛那這個是目前要達到存量最大的目標那我算了一下喔因為\n應該是說我們還是要再繼續往前看怎麼說呢因為以目前我們內政部門目標8年20萬戶目前其實最大就是包括把興建中以絕標還有在規劃中的全部加起來就是大概18萬戶啦我必須老實說嘛目前就是這樣那如果達到存量的比例大概就是1.9%\n那其實以國外來說我還是要講一下先進國家裡面的涉災成量的比例是非常非常高以歐洲國家來說荷蘭是29%然後英國16%然後丹麥19%芬蘭18%瑞典18%那以亞洲來說當然亞洲相對低但是以日本來說涉災的成量也有5%那我們是1.9\n而且我是加上新建規劃然後決標全部加起來全部就是只有1.9也就是說當我們存量不足的時候我剛剛提的那些制度問題包括可不可以趕快輪候制啊可不可以趕快把資格條件放寬這些都很難往下討論因為我每次講完我前面那些我都已經討論過了包括資格條件可不可以再寬一點啊然後趕快讓輪候制進場\n然後甚至是全國有一個統一的登記的平台這些大家才不會抽籤抽籤率這麼低嘛可是討論到之後每次國土署都說存量不足真的就是沒有辦法往下走所以我在想是不是這個存量的問題可不可以優先的解決然後目標再往前放18萬戶還是太少啊全國如果我們最後真的全部完成了1.9%耶亞洲最低都有5%是\n我們其實也是努力因為即使到下一階段我們大概也是到2.5%2.5%就是我們認定的低標啦我們起碼要先努力往那個低標邁進那這個低標25萬戶都出現了那這個就可以去談有沒有這一個\n全國具體的一個輪候的統一登記量輪候的否則就會像我們剛剛所講我可能為了自己的生活圈需求我就一直在重複登記而且重複登記越多其實大家要實現的輪候會越困難這也是我們在考慮的一個問題所以這我們還是會努力的往這個\n達到2.5%這樣的一個存量的目標先來邁進好謝謝署長那這個就是一起加油那因為其實這個輪候制我真的也講很久了啦所以如果可以我知道有一些地方也開始試辦那如果可以的話其實還是可以先並行然後之後的話我們就慢慢都朝向輪候的方式去改因為確實歐洲的成效還不錯那我們也都看到這個是我們可以遵循的方向好謝謝署長\n喔!\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.820 --> 00:18.795\n好謝謝主席我們請署長好署長好今天因為其實都是在談論這個租屋的正義那其實租屋的正義包括非常多的面向所以前面我想要先討論一下最近在我的選區有一個非常紅的日本飯糰店\n\n00:20.336 --> 00:38.228\n那這個飯糰店他紅到什麼樣子呢就是這幾天大家為了要聲援這個老闆所以每天都去排隊支持他們那他們的週分是什麼其實也跟這個租屋的合約有點關係那當然其實大家就是在討論說這個租屋族啊\n\n00:39.108 --> 00:58.482\n就是到底房東可不可以隨意的講約那當然合約都是白紙黑字寫得非常清楚那再加上他們是租店面嘛所以是商用的契約那這個商用的租賃裡面當然就是回歸民事的這個就本來就是雙方協議不可以隨意講租那不然就是叫民事的這個合約下去走\n\n00:58.942 --> 01:14.513\n那可是呢還是有非常多的選民因此來跟我反應因為其實他們平常是租屋族然後他們遇到的狀況差不多很多都是說第一個就是要準備要續約之前房東就跟他說要跟他漲租不然就不能續約\n\n01:15.914 --> 01:30.541\n那另外一种就是在合约期间当中可能他一次跟你住三年那他在第一年的时候就跟你说要随意的调涨那不然就是说之后也就不让你租了那这种情况其实屡见不鲜\n\n01:31.221 --> 01:52.674\n那我想要问的是说其实在世界各国针对这个租赁其实都有蛮多的专访那我在这边举几个例子就是以美国加州来说就是如果房东现在要涨租那涨幅在10%以下房东必须要提前30天通知那如果你一次的涨幅超过10%必须要提前90天通知\n\n01:53.581 --> 02:21.678\n就是他在调整的这个幅度跟他的时间都是有一个非常明确的规范的那英国也是看他的租期不同他的年如果是年租的话必须要在六个月以前通知六个月哦然后如果是月租就是必须要在提前一个月之前通知那纽西兰也是说你至少要在六十天之前就要书面通知如果你想要跟房客之间的契约有变化的话\n\n02:22.378 --> 02:45.757\n那日本也是甚至日本是有一个借地借家法他们有一个非常明确的租赁专法里面是说如果房东跟房客之间他不想要再租给这个房客了必须要半年之前就已书面通知而且必须要写上非常明确的正当理由才不可以就是你才可以跟房客终止合约哦\n\n02:46.377 --> 03:10.979\n所以相对国外其实有蛮多对于租屋族这些租屋的权益是有更明确的保障的但是在台湾好像租屋族都是无可挂牛必须要到处流浪那甚至我自己租的经验也非常多就是租了大概十年的房子那也都是必须要看房东脸色看他要不要租给你看他要不要涨租看他要不要有一些更多的条件的变化\n\n03:11.599 --> 03:24.987\n那所以我在這邊是希望說不知道國土署針對這種房東跟房客之間的權益的保障可不可以有進一步的研擬進一步的建議甚至未來有沒有機會我們也來擬一部租賃的專法呢\n\n03:26.284 --> 03:50.886\n根文報告這個部分因為在部裡面它屬於地政司的業務是不是好地政司委員好那有關於我們一般租屋族的住宅租賃的部分其實委員剛也提到在我們定型化契約裡面已經有規定到租屋約期間不能任意漲租的規定那如果有相關問題這個包含我們的消保單位都可以來協助民眾來做一個處理那委員剛剛有提到一個部分就是\n\n03:51.186 --> 04:19.045\n外有些對於住宅租賃的部分也有提前如果你要解除租約終止租約前房東要在多久以前去通知房客包含說可能他租期的長短不一樣可能會有不同的做法其實我們有收集到這些相關的資訊那其實我們在做一個租約的一個規定的一個檢討的時候其實我們現在也把它收集我們會做一個滾動的一個檢討來更保障那一個民眾的一個權益\n\n04:19.465 --> 04:42.952\n那你們目前是打算要修在哪個現在可能在定型化契約的部分的應記載不得記載事項裡面看可不可以先去做一個檢討的規定不過因為其實這個部分的話我們也在收集相關的租屋族有沒有相關的問題因為我們那個規定也剛修過所以可能會在下一次的通盤的部分的話一起來做一個處理\n\n04:43.632 --> 05:08.107\n好谢谢说明那可能就是未来会在这个住宅租赁定型化契约应记载及不得记载事项跟或者是有没有机会在消费者保护法里面有更多的权益的保障那如果可以的话希望下一次通盘前逃的时候再把这部分就是包括提前多久然后必须要告知然后还有就是这个明确的书面的理由这些都要写上去\n\n05:08.567 --> 05:31.289\n好谢谢好那再来继续讲这个社宅这个社宅其实我们也讲了很多次了那我觉得最大的问题包括因为其实我从在当议员的时候就不断地在讲社宅的轮候制那甚至是还有这个租金的一定比例的透明化然后还有就是可以入住的条件资格等等其实都讨论了非常多那我觉得最大的问题还是成量不足\n\n05:32.079 --> 05:52.622\n那成量不足這個問題實在是現在都是各地必須要一起來努力啦因為以高雄來說因為我們市政府非常配合就是我們努力幫忙找地然後努力幫忙協調在地的鄰里的關係然後努力幫忙協調在地的一些使用的方式所以呢目前其實高雄的進度都還算蠻順利的\n\n05:53.703 --> 06:10.498\n那我這個覺得當然要跟各縣市再努力再協調啦只有再努力再協調才可以把全台灣各縣市真的有辦法空出來的地全部找出來來蓋社宅嘛那這個是目前要達到存量最大的目標那我算了一下喔因為\n\n06:11.278 --> 06:29.711\n應該是說我們還是要再繼續往前看怎麼說呢因為以目前我們內政部門目標8年20萬戶目前其實最大就是包括把興建中以絕標還有在規劃中的全部加起來就是大概18萬戶啦我必須老實說嘛目前就是這樣那如果達到存量的比例大概就是1.9%\n\n06:31.132 --> 06:52.955\n那其實以國外來說我還是要講一下先進國家裡面的涉災成量的比例是非常非常高以歐洲國家來說荷蘭是29%然後英國16%然後丹麥19%芬蘭18%瑞典18%那以亞洲來說當然亞洲相對低但是以日本來說涉災的成量也有5%那我們是1.9\n\n06:53.996 --> 07:16.862\n而且我是加上新建規劃然後決標全部加起來全部就是只有1.9也就是說當我們存量不足的時候我剛剛提的那些制度問題包括可不可以趕快輪候制啊可不可以趕快把資格條件放寬這些都很難往下討論因為我每次講完我前面那些我都已經討論過了包括資格條件可不可以再寬一點啊然後趕快讓輪候制進場\n\n07:19.062 --> 07:45.038\n然後甚至是全國有一個統一的登記的平台這些大家才不會抽籤抽籤率這麼低嘛可是討論到之後每次國土署都說存量不足真的就是沒有辦法往下走所以我在想是不是這個存量的問題可不可以優先的解決然後目標再往前放18萬戶還是太少啊全國如果我們最後真的全部完成了1.9%耶亞洲最低都有5%是\n\n07:46.667 --> 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谢谢好 那再来继续讲这个社宅这个社宅其实我们也讲了很多次了那我觉得最大的问题包括因为其实我从在当议员的时候就不断地在讲社宅的轮候制那甚至是还有这个租金的一定比例的透明化然后还有就是可以入住的条件资格等等其实都讨论了非常多那我觉得最大的问题还是成量不足"},{"start":332.079,"end":352.622,"text":"那成量不足這個問題實在是現在都是各地必須要一起來努力啦因為以高雄來說因為我們市政府非常配合就是我們努力幫忙找地然後努力幫忙協調在地的鄰里的關係然後努力幫忙協調在地的一些使用的方式所以呢目前其實高雄的進度都還算蠻順利的"},{"start":353.703,"end":370.498,"text":"那我這個覺得當然要跟各縣市再努力再協調啦只有再努力再協調才可以把全台灣各縣市真的有辦法空出來的地全部找出來來蓋社宅嘛那這個是目前要達到存量最大的目標那我算了一下喔因為"},{"start":371.278,"end":389.711,"text":"應該是說我們還是要再繼續往前看怎麼說呢因為以目前我們內政部門目標8年20萬戶目前其實最大就是包括把興建中以絕標還有在規劃中的全部加起來就是大概18萬戶啦我必須老實說嘛目前就是這樣那如果達到存量的比例大概就是1.9%"},{"start":391.132,"end":412.955,"text":"那其實以國外來說我還是要講一下先進國家裡面的涉災成量的比例是非常非常高以歐洲國家來說荷蘭是29%然後英國16%然後丹麥19%芬蘭18%瑞典18%那以亞洲來說當然亞洲相對低但是以日本來說涉災的成量也有5%那我們是1.9"},{"start":413.996,"end":436.862,"text":"而且我是加上新建規劃然後決標全部加起來全部就是只有1.9也就是說當我們存量不足的時候我剛剛提的那些制度問題包括可不可以趕快輪候制啊可不可以趕快把資格條件放寬這些都很難往下討論因為我每次講完我前面那些我都已經討論過了包括資格條件可不可以再寬一點啊然後趕快讓輪候制進場"},{"start":439.062,"end":465.038,"text":"然後甚至是全國有一個統一的登記的平台這些大家才不會抽籤抽籤率這麼低嘛可是討論到之後每次國土署都說存量不足真的就是沒有辦法往下走所以我在想是不是這個存量的問題可不可以優先的解決然後目標再往前放18萬戶還是太少啊全國如果我們最後真的全部完成了1.9%耶亞洲最低都有5%是"},{"start":466.667,"end":484.923,"text":"我們其實也是努力因為即使到下一階段我們大概也是到2.5%2.5%就是我們認定的低標啦我們起碼要先努力往那個低標邁進那這個低標25萬戶都出現了那這個就可以去談有沒有這一個"},{"start":486.023,"end":501.331,"text":"全國具體的一個輪候的統一登記量輪候的否則就會像我們剛剛所講我可能為了自己的生活圈需求我就一直在重複登記而且重複登記越多其實大家要實現的輪候會越困難這也是我們在考慮的一個問題所以這我們還是會努力的往這個"},{"start":506.694,"end":532.889,"text":"達到2.5%這樣的一個存量的目標先來邁進好謝謝署長那這個就是一起加油那因為其實這個輪候制我真的也講很久了啦所以如果可以我知道有一些地方也開始試辦那如果可以的話其實還是可以先並行然後之後的話我們就慢慢都朝向輪候的方式去改因為確實歐洲的成效還不錯那我們也都看到這個是我們可以遵循的方向好謝謝署長"},{"start":536.347,"end":536.368,"text":"喔!"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":506,"blocks":[["黃委員捷：（10時51分）謝謝主席，我們請署長。"],["吳署長欣修：委員好。"],["黃委員捷：署長好。今天都是在談論租屋正義，其實租屋正義包括非常多的面向，所以前面我想要先討論一下，最近在我的選區有一個非常紅的日本飯糰店，這個飯糰店紅到什麼樣子呢？這幾天大家為了要聲援老闆，所以每天都去排隊支持他們，而他們的糾紛是什麼？其實也跟租屋合約有點關係，大家都在討論租屋族的房東到底可不可以隨意漲約。當然合約都是白紙黑字，寫得非常清楚，再加上他們是租店面，所以是商用的契約，商用的租賃當然就是回歸民事，這個本來就是雙方協議，不可以隨意漲租，不然就是照民事的合約走。可是還是有非常多的選民因此來跟我反應，其實他們平常是租屋族，他們遇到的狀況差不多，第一個就是準備續約之前，房東就跟他說要漲租，不然就不能續約；另外一種就是在合約期間當中，可能他一次跟你租3年，但是他在第1年的時候就隨意調漲，不然之後也不讓你租了，這種情況其實屢見不鮮。我想要問的是，世界各國針對租賃其實都有蠻多的專法，我在這邊舉幾個例子，以美國加州來說，如果房東現在要漲租，漲幅在10%以下，房東必須要提前30天通知，如果一次的漲幅超過10%，必須要提前90天通知，調漲幅度跟時間都有一個非常明確的規範。英國也是看租期的不同，如果是年租，必須要在六個月以前通知，六個月喔！如果是月租，必須要提前一個月之前通知。紐西蘭也是，如果你想要跟房客之間的契約有變化，至少在60天之前就要書面通知。日本也是，甚至日本是有一個借地借家法，他們有一個非常明確的租賃專法，裡面也提到如果房東跟房客之間，房東不想要再租給這個房客了，必須要半年之前就以書面通知，而且必須要寫上非常明確的正當理由，才可以跟房客終止合約。相對國外其實有蠻多對租屋族租屋權益更明確的保障，但是在臺灣，好像租屋族都是無殼蝸牛，必須要到處流浪。甚至我自己租屋的經驗也非常多，租了大概10年的房子，也都是必須要看房東臉色，看他要不要租給你、看他要不要漲租、看他要不要有更多條件的變化。","我不知道國土署針對這種房東跟房客之間權益的保障，可不可以進一步的研擬、進一步的建議，甚至未來有沒有機會我們也來擬一部租賃的專法？"],["吳署長欣修：跟委員報告，這個部分因為在部裡面是屬於地政司的業務，是不是請地政司向委員說明？"],["黃委員捷：好。"],["林代理司長家正：委員好。有關於一般租屋族住宅租賃的部分，其實委員剛剛也提到，在我們的定型化契約裡面，已經有規定租約期間不能任意漲租的規定。"],["黃委員捷：是的。"],["林代理司長家正：如果有相關的問題，包含我們的消保單位都可以協助民眾處理。委員剛剛有提到一個部分，就是國外有些對於住宅租賃的部分也要提前通知，如果你要解除租約、終止租約前，房東要在多久以前通知房客，包含他租期的長短不一樣，可能會有不同的作法。其實我們也有蒐集到這些相關的資訊，我們在檢討租約的規定時，現在也有把它蒐集，我們會做滾動的檢討，以更加保障民眾的權益。"],["黃委員捷：你們目前是打算要修在哪個……"],["林代理司長家正：現在可能在定型化契約的部分，應記載不得記載事項裡面，看可不可以先去做一個檢討的規定，不過這個部分我們也在蒐集租屋族有沒有相關的問題，因為我們規定也剛修過，所以可能會在下一次一起通盤處理。"],["黃委員捷：好，謝謝說明。可能就是未來會在住宅租賃定型化契約應記載及不得記載事項，或者是有沒有機會在消費者保護法裡面有更多權益的保障，如果可以，希望下一次通盤檢討的時候，再把這部分包括提前多久必須要告知，還有明確的書面理由，這些都要寫上去，謝謝。","再來，繼續講社宅，其實我們也講了很多次了，其實我在當議員的時候，就不斷在講社宅的輪候制，甚至是租金一定比例的透明化，還有可以入住的條件、資格等等，其實都討論得非常多。我覺得最大問題還是存量不足，存量不足這個問題實在是各地必須要一起努力。以高雄來說，因為我們市政府非常配合，我們努力幫忙找地，努力幫忙協調在地鄰里的關係，努力幫忙協調在地的一些使用方式，所以目前其實高雄的進度都還算蠻順利的。我覺得這個當然要跟各縣市再努力、再協調，只有再努力、再協調，才可以把全臺灣各縣市真的有辦法空出來的地全部找出來蓋社宅，這個是目前要達到存量最大的目標。我算了一下，應該是說我們還是要再繼續往前看，怎麼說呢？因為目前內政部的目標是8年20萬戶，包括把興建中、已決標，還有在規劃中的全部加起來就是大概18萬戶，我必須老實說，目前就是這樣，達到存量的比例大概就是1.9%。","其實以國外來說，我還是要講一下，先進國家社宅存量的比例非常非常高，以歐洲國家來說，荷蘭是29%，英國16%，丹麥19%，芬蘭18%，瑞典18%；以亞洲來說，當然亞洲相對低，但是以日本來說，社宅的存量也有5%，而我們是1.9%，而且是加上興建、規劃、決標全部加起來，全部就是只有1.9%。當我們存量不足的時候，我剛剛提的那些制度問題，包括可不可以趕快輪候制，可不可以趕快把資格條件放寬，這些都很難往下討論。因為我每次講完，前面那些我都已經討論過了，包括資格條件可不可以再寬一點，趕快讓輪候制進場，甚至是全國有一個統一的登記平臺，大家才不會抽籤率這麼低，可是討論到最後，每次國土署都說存量不足，真的就是沒有辦法往下走。所以我在想這個存量的問題可不可以優先解決，然後目標再往前放，18萬戶還是太少，如果我們全國最後真的全部完成了，1.9%，亞洲最低都有5%。"],["吳署長欣修：是，我們其實也是努力，因為即使到下一階段，我們大概也是到2.5%，2.5%就是我們認定的低標，我們起碼要先努力往那個低標邁進，這個低標25萬戶都出現了，就可以去談有沒有全國具體統一登記的輪候，否則就會像我們剛剛所講的，我可能為了自己的生活圈需求，我就一直在重複登記。"],["黃委員捷：沒錯。"],["吳署長欣修：重複登記越多，其實大家要實現的輪候會越困難。"],["黃委員捷：沒錯。"],["吳署長欣修：這也是我們在考慮的一個問題，所以我們還是會努力往達到2.5%這樣一個存量的目標先來邁進。"],["黃委員捷：好，謝謝署長。這個就是一起加油，因為輪候制其實我真的也講很久了，我知道有一些地方也開始試辦，如果可以的話，其實還是可以先並行，之後我們就慢慢都朝向輪候的方式去改，因為確實歐洲的成效還不錯，我們也都看到這個是我們可以遵循的方向。謝謝署長。"],["主席：謝謝黃捷委員的質詢。","下一位請李柏毅委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":286,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-15-13","speakers":["牛煦庭","林倩綺","蘇巧慧","高金素梅","麥玉珍","羅智強","徐欣瑩","翁曉玲","黃健豪","張智倫","張宏陸","王美惠","黃捷","李柏毅","吳琪銘","許宇甄","鄭天財Sra 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