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00:00:48,340\n各位核能安全是不容許絲毫妥協的那我相信說核能有其科學價值跟能源戰略意義我想這一點來講全國國人都應該一致的那我今天是要與相對來講是具體的市政跟社會的觀度角度來提出質詢請核安會盡量是以正面具體來做回應\n\n3\n00:00:49,520 --> 00:01:16,702\n第一個當然是有關合一合二已經進入廚藝的階段那這個廚藝的階段這不是一個任務的完成而是另外一個更複雜更漫長的風險管理的開始有關請提議有關這些像是高放射性的廢棄物處理也好還是有關污染物的移除甚至土地的再利用跟社區的安置這些議題我想請問河岸會是否有\n\n4\n00:01:17,122 --> 00:01:32,073\n有具備長期追蹤這些長期的風險之法定權責跟資源呢是有的那有沒有公開除疫各階段的時程跟環境監測的數據的標準格式這方面的詳細的資訊我請組長跟委員報告一下\n\n5\n00:01:41,838 --> 00:02:08,952\n跟委員說明有關於廚藝整個25年的期程台電規劃出來都有在河岸衛的網站都有那有關於那個長子所在地的輻射偵測那台電公司的相關資訊也都有都有放在網上公民眾可以去了解好那目前來講是不是已經跟地方政府包括新北跟基隆建立所謂災後廚藝安全監控的聯繫平台呢\n\n6\n00:02:17,995 --> 00:02:36,412\n不是說核能發電廠核一核二除役之後那地方政府的聯繫就關這方面因為我們知道說這方面還是有很多其他跟地方政府需要聯繫的地方除役之後不是單純就是除役而已那跟地方政府之間的除役後的安全監控聯繫平台是否有建立\n\n7\n00:02:39,984 --> 00:03:01,705\n跟委員報告其實目前新北跟屏東他們基本上都還有這個所謂的地方的這個核能安全監督委員會那事實上不管是運轉或者是除役相關的議題也都會提到那一邊去做一個報告跟說明那每一次這個台電公司也都會針對\n\n8\n00:03:03,166 --> 00:03:16,984\n那個監督委員的要求提出相關的包括這個運轉除役後的期程跟除役後的委員關切的這些問題都有在這個監督委員會委員也都有提案來做一個說明\n\n9\n00:03:18,251 --> 00:03:39,938\n好謝謝那我想請問第二個議題第二個議題其實我們知道說在亞洲這幾年來最慘烈的核安事件應該就是福島就是福島的核災那福島核災已經過了13年了那我們當初政府也承諾說過全面檢視系統強化那針對說以下我想請問一下我們核安會針對我們這個核能發電廠\n\n10\n00:03:42,739 --> 00:03:52,695\n我們的海嘯牆我們的應急的電源我們通風的備援跟我們數位化系統是不是都已經全數的升級完成呢\n\n11\n00:03:54,928 --> 00:04:23,787\n跟委員說明,福島事後河岸外有一些列管的事項,包括委員提到的一些硬體設備,那另外還有一些軟體,包括運轉能源、電廠的一些應變程序都有。那有關於那個電力設備後備的電源都有去增設,移動式電源車啊,然後另外也增加重要廠房的水密門,然後也針對地震的一些強化,耐震強化也進行評估跟補強。\n\n12\n00:04:24,688 --> 00:04:47,180\n都已經完成謝謝您謝謝組長特地提到地震因為我下一個問題就是說因為現在極端地震其實發生的地方不會只是單純說在地震帶而已而是什麼地方都有可能發生發生地震那針對極端地震甚至山崩所造成的冷卻失敗的冷卻失效的模擬測試結果是什麼樣有關至少河山場吧\n\n13\n00:04:50,088 --> 00:05:10,596\n這個在台電公司我們列管的文件裡面有一項就是針對應變的程序包括緊急應變然後負荷災害的一些運轉操作這部分都有進行整合那也例行性的去測試演練以上說明那目前結果是我們是測試到第幾級的地震呢\n\n14\n00:05:13,131 --> 00:05:37,739\n會依照我們參考美國的做法就是針對核一二三場所在地320公里範圍內可知的一些地震都納入評估然後進行強化大概可以承受到幾級地震以核二三場來講已經可以達到氣象署所定的最大級別7級地震以上\n\n15\n00:05:39,472 --> 00:06:07,248\n因為這就是我本來是想問既然已經跟美國因為我記得是美日法這三個國家相對來講是在國際之間被公認的核能強國那如果有跟他們一樣同行同步修訂的這個最新的災害標準跟這個演練參數那我想我就比較放心因為我們是希望說有更能夠實驗過後的實證資料跟持續改進的機制這樣對於我們的核能安全會有比較良好的一個保證\n\n16\n00:06:08,909 --> 00:06:31,810\n第三點我也想請教就是歷近來講這個軍演中國大陸的軍演這個是我們所謂的ClearandPresentdanger既迫切又實際的實在的威脅那其實不管什麼樣的軍演尤其是在目前這個地緣政治複雜的時候我們台灣的核能設施會是我們是一個弱點呢還是一個堡壘\n\n17\n00:06:32,972 --> 00:06:36,257\n我想請問一下我們核能發電廠有沒有納入所謂的戰略基礎設施保護網呢\n\n18\n00:06:43,125 --> 00:07:05,298\n有那既然有的話那沈河安會說明說在解放軍演習的期間針對核能發電廠進行的防護評估跟沙盤推演是什麼假設他們真的想說現在核一核二在處理嘛那如果核三的話目前如果解放軍他們真的來攻擊台灣那目前來講核能發電廠準備做什麼樣的防護評估呢\n\n19\n00:07:07,445 --> 00:07:20,437\n跟委員報告基本上依照國際公約任何的軍事行動是不可以供給核能電廠這是先跟委員做個說明但是也不排除說會有像譬如說像俄烏戰爭札波羅的電廠\n\n20\n00:07:22,359 --> 00:07:44,373\n之後事實上會裡面就把相關的這些情境我們就已經納到我們每年的河岸演習的一個兵棋推演的一個過程這邊可以跟委員報告就是當我們知道有這樣的一個軍事威脅的時候首先當然就要針對場裡面的維生跟維運相關的物資的整備人員的部分就要補足充足隨時應變\n\n21\n00:07:46,854 --> 00:08:03,410\n那因為基本上是後續的話當然我們就會依照可能發生的情境再做一些推演所以我想這部分我們自從俄烏戰爭之後這個議題一直都在融在我們的核安演習的情境裡面以上\n\n22\n00:08:04,588 --> 00:08:31,076\n好因為核能發電廠其實是我們很重要的戰略所以你應該講起來如果發生戰爭不發生戰爭會發生戰爭這個核能發電廠都是我們國家很重要的一個資源那我也想說我認為我們核能發電廠是不是有具備我們電力不管是電力冷卻水源還是通訊備源系統是不是有獨立的評估那我想今天我的時間有限我希望核安會在後面會後可以給我詳細的書面資料以上\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t14529\t有請陳珠瑋有請陳珠瑋\n27475\t48340\t各位核能安全是不容許絲毫妥協的那我相信說核能有其科學價值跟能源戰略意義我想這一點來講全國國人都應該一致的那我今天是要與相對來講是具體的市政跟社會的觀度角度來提出質詢請核安會盡量是以正面具體來做回應\n49520\t76702\t第一個當然是有關合一合二已經進入廚藝的階段那這個廚藝的階段這不是一個任務的完成而是另外一個更複雜更漫長的風險管理的開始有關請提議有關這些像是高放射性的廢棄物處理也好還是有關污染物的移除甚至土地的再利用跟社區的安置這些議題我想請問河岸會是否有\n77122\t92073\t有具備長期追蹤這些長期的風險之法定權責跟資源呢是有的那有沒有公開除疫各階段的時程跟環境監測的數據的標準格式這方面的詳細的資訊我請組長跟委員報告一下\n101838\t128952\t跟委員說明有關於廚藝整個25年的期程台電規劃出來都有在河岸衛的網站都有那有關於那個長子所在地的輻射偵測那台電公司的相關資訊也都有都有放在網上公民眾可以去了解好 那目前來講是不是已經跟地方政府包括新北跟基隆建立所謂災後廚藝安全監控的聯繫平台呢\n137995\t156412\t不是說核能發電廠核一核二除役之後那地方政府的聯繫就關這方面因為我們知道說這方面還是有很多其他跟地方政府需要聯繫的地方除役之後不是單純就是除役而已那跟地方政府之間的除役後的安全監控聯繫平台是否有建立\n159984\t181705\t跟委員報告其實目前新北跟屏東他們基本上都還有這個所謂的地方的這個核能安全監督委員會那事實上不管是運轉或者是除役相關的議題也都會提到那一邊去做一個報告跟說明那每一次這個台電公司也都會針對\n183166\t196984\t那個監督委員的要求提出相關的包括這個運轉除役後的期程跟除役後的委員關切的這些問題都有在這個監督委員會委員也都有提案來做一個說明\n198251\t219938\t好 謝謝那我想請問第二個議題第二個議題其實我們知道說在亞洲這幾年來最慘烈的核安事件應該就是福島就是福島的核災那福島核災已經過了13年了那我們當初政府也承諾說過全面檢視 系統強化那針對說以下我想請問一下我們核安會針對我們這個核能發電廠\n222739\t232695\t我們的海嘯牆我們的應急的電源我們通風的備援跟我們數位化系統是不是都已經全數的升級完成呢\n234928\t263787\t跟委員說明,福島事後河岸外有一些列管的事項,包括委員提到的一些硬體設備,那另外還有一些軟體,包括運轉能源、電廠的一些應變程序都有。那有關於那個電力設備後備的電源都有去增設,移動式電源車啊,然後另外也增加重要廠房的水密門,然後也針對地震的一些強化,耐震強化也進行評估跟補強。\n264688\t287180\t都已經完成謝謝您謝謝組長特地提到地震因為我下一個問題就是說因為現在極端地震其實發生的地方不會只是單純說在地震帶而已而是什麼地方都有可能發生發生地震那針對極端地震甚至山崩所造成的冷卻失敗的冷卻失效的模擬測試結果是什麼樣有關至少河山場吧\n290088\t310596\t這個在台電公司我們列管的文件裡面有一項就是針對應變的程序包括緊急應變然後負荷災害的一些運轉操作這部分都有進行整合那也例行性的去測試演練 以上說明那目前結果是我們是測試到第幾級的地震呢\n313131\t337739\t會依照我們參考美國的做法就是針對核一二三場所在地320公里範圍內可知的一些地震都納入評估然後進行強化大概可以承受到幾級地震以核二三場來講已經可以達到氣象署所定的最大級別7級地震以上\n339472\t367248\t因為這就是我本來是想問既然已經跟美國因為我記得是美日法這三個國家相對來講是在國際之間被公認的核能強國那如果有跟他們一樣同行同步修訂的這個最新的災害標準跟這個演練參數那我想我就比較放心因為我們是希望說有更能夠實驗過後的實證資料跟持續改進的機制這樣對於我們的核能安全會有比較良好的一個保證\n368909\t391810\t第三點我也想請教就是歷近來講這個軍演中國大陸的軍演這個是我們所謂的Clear and Present danger既迫切又實際的實在的威脅那其實不管什麼樣的軍演尤其是在目前這個地緣政治複雜的時候我們台灣的核能設施會是我們是一個弱點呢還是一個堡壘\n392972\t396257\t我想請問一下我們核能發電廠有沒有納入所謂的戰略基礎設施保護網呢\n403125\t425298\t有那既然有的話那沈河安會說明說在解放軍演習的期間針對核能發電廠進行的防護評估跟沙盤推演是什麼假設他們真的想說現在核一核二在處理嘛那如果核三的話目前如果解放軍他們真的來攻擊台灣那目前來講核能發電廠準備做什麼樣的防護評估呢\n427445\t440437\t跟委員報告基本上依照國際公約任何的軍事行動是不可以供給核能電廠這是先跟委員做個說明但是也不排除說會有像譬如說像俄烏戰爭 札波羅的電廠\n442359\t464373\t之後事實上會裡面就把相關的這些情境我們就已經納到我們每年的河岸演習的一個兵棋推演的一個過程這邊可以跟委員報告就是當我們知道有這樣的一個軍事威脅的時候首先當然就要針對場裡面的維生跟維運相關的物資的整備人員的部分就要補足充足隨時應變\n466854\t483410\t那因為基本上是後續的話當然我們就會依照可能發生的情境再做一些推演所以我想這部分我們自從俄烏戰爭之後這個議題一直都在融在我們的核安演習的情境裡面以上\n484588\t511076\t好 因為核能發電廠其實是我們很重要的戰略所以你應該講起來如果發生戰爭不發生戰爭會發生戰爭這個核能發電廠都是我們國家很重要的一個資源那我也想說我認為我們核能發電廠是不是有具備我們電力不管是電力冷卻水源還是通訊備源系統是不是有獨立的評估那我想今天我的時間有限我希望核安會在後面會後可以給我詳細的書面資料以上\n","txt":"有請陳珠瑋有請陳珠瑋\n各位核能安全是不容許絲毫妥協的那我相信說核能有其科學價值跟能源戰略意義我想這一點來講全國國人都應該一致的那我今天是要與相對來講是具體的市政跟社會的觀度角度來提出質詢請核安會盡量是以正面具體來做回應\n第一個當然是有關合一合二已經進入廚藝的階段那這個廚藝的階段這不是一個任務的完成而是另外一個更複雜更漫長的風險管理的開始有關請提議有關這些像是高放射性的廢棄物處理也好還是有關污染物的移除甚至土地的再利用跟社區的安置這些議題我想請問河岸會是否有\n有具備長期追蹤這些長期的風險之法定權責跟資源呢是有的那有沒有公開除疫各階段的時程跟環境監測的數據的標準格式這方面的詳細的資訊我請組長跟委員報告一下\n跟委員說明有關於廚藝整個25年的期程台電規劃出來都有在河岸衛的網站都有那有關於那個長子所在地的輻射偵測那台電公司的相關資訊也都有都有放在網上公民眾可以去了解好 那目前來講是不是已經跟地方政府包括新北跟基隆建立所謂災後廚藝安全監控的聯繫平台呢\n不是說核能發電廠核一核二除役之後那地方政府的聯繫就關這方面因為我們知道說這方面還是有很多其他跟地方政府需要聯繫的地方除役之後不是單純就是除役而已那跟地方政府之間的除役後的安全監控聯繫平台是否有建立\n跟委員報告其實目前新北跟屏東他們基本上都還有這個所謂的地方的這個核能安全監督委員會那事實上不管是運轉或者是除役相關的議題也都會提到那一邊去做一個報告跟說明那每一次這個台電公司也都會針對\n那個監督委員的要求提出相關的包括這個運轉除役後的期程跟除役後的委員關切的這些問題都有在這個監督委員會委員也都有提案來做一個說明\n好 謝謝那我想請問第二個議題第二個議題其實我們知道說在亞洲這幾年來最慘烈的核安事件應該就是福島就是福島的核災那福島核災已經過了13年了那我們當初政府也承諾說過全面檢視 系統強化那針對說以下我想請問一下我們核安會針對我們這個核能發電廠\n我們的海嘯牆我們的應急的電源我們通風的備援跟我們數位化系統是不是都已經全數的升級完成呢\n跟委員說明,福島事後河岸外有一些列管的事項,包括委員提到的一些硬體設備,那另外還有一些軟體,包括運轉能源、電廠的一些應變程序都有。那有關於那個電力設備後備的電源都有去增設,移動式電源車啊,然後另外也增加重要廠房的水密門,然後也針對地震的一些強化,耐震強化也進行評估跟補強。\n都已經完成謝謝您謝謝組長特地提到地震因為我下一個問題就是說因為現在極端地震其實發生的地方不會只是單純說在地震帶而已而是什麼地方都有可能發生發生地震那針對極端地震甚至山崩所造成的冷卻失敗的冷卻失效的模擬測試結果是什麼樣有關至少河山場吧\n這個在台電公司我們列管的文件裡面有一項就是針對應變的程序包括緊急應變然後負荷災害的一些運轉操作這部分都有進行整合那也例行性的去測試演練 以上說明那目前結果是我們是測試到第幾級的地震呢\n會依照我們參考美國的做法就是針對核一二三場所在地320公里範圍內可知的一些地震都納入評估然後進行強化大概可以承受到幾級地震以核二三場來講已經可以達到氣象署所定的最大級別7級地震以上\n因為這就是我本來是想問既然已經跟美國因為我記得是美日法這三個國家相對來講是在國際之間被公認的核能強國那如果有跟他們一樣同行同步修訂的這個最新的災害標準跟這個演練參數那我想我就比較放心因為我們是希望說有更能夠實驗過後的實證資料跟持續改進的機制這樣對於我們的核能安全會有比較良好的一個保證\n第三點我也想請教就是歷近來講這個軍演中國大陸的軍演這個是我們所謂的Clear and Present danger既迫切又實際的實在的威脅那其實不管什麼樣的軍演尤其是在目前這個地緣政治複雜的時候我們台灣的核能設施會是我們是一個弱點呢還是一個堡壘\n我想請問一下我們核能發電廠有沒有納入所謂的戰略基礎設施保護網呢\n有那既然有的話那沈河安會說明說在解放軍演習的期間針對核能發電廠進行的防護評估跟沙盤推演是什麼假設他們真的想說現在核一核二在處理嘛那如果核三的話目前如果解放軍他們真的來攻擊台灣那目前來講核能發電廠準備做什麼樣的防護評估呢\n跟委員報告基本上依照國際公約任何的軍事行動是不可以供給核能電廠這是先跟委員做個說明但是也不排除說會有像譬如說像俄烏戰爭 札波羅的電廠\n之後事實上會裡面就把相關的這些情境我們就已經納到我們每年的河岸演習的一個兵棋推演的一個過程這邊可以跟委員報告就是當我們知道有這樣的一個軍事威脅的時候首先當然就要針對場裡面的維生跟維運相關的物資的整備人員的部分就要補足充足隨時應變\n那因為基本上是後續的話當然我們就會依照可能發生的情境再做一些推演所以我想這部分我們自從俄烏戰爭之後這個議題一直都在融在我們的核安演習的情境裡面以上\n好 因為核能發電廠其實是我們很重要的戰略所以你應該講起來如果發生戰爭不發生戰爭會發生戰爭這個核能發電廠都是我們國家很重要的一個資源那我也想說我認為我們核能發電廠是不是有具備我們電力不管是電力冷卻水源還是通訊備源系統是不是有獨立的評估那我想今天我的時間有限我希望核安會在後面會後可以給我詳細的書面資料以上\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:14.529\n有請陳珠瑋有請陳珠瑋\n\n00:27.475 --> 00:48.340\n各位核能安全是不容許絲毫妥協的那我相信說核能有其科學價值跟能源戰略意義我想這一點來講全國國人都應該一致的那我今天是要與相對來講是具體的市政跟社會的觀度角度來提出質詢請核安會盡量是以正面具體來做回應\n\n00:49.520 --> 01:16.702\n第一個當然是有關合一合二已經進入廚藝的階段那這個廚藝的階段這不是一個任務的完成而是另外一個更複雜更漫長的風險管理的開始有關請提議有關這些像是高放射性的廢棄物處理也好還是有關污染物的移除甚至土地的再利用跟社區的安置這些議題我想請問河岸會是否有\n\n01:17.122 --> 01:32.073\n有具備長期追蹤這些長期的風險之法定權責跟資源呢是有的那有沒有公開除疫各階段的時程跟環境監測的數據的標準格式這方面的詳細的資訊我請組長跟委員報告一下\n\n01:41.838 --> 02:08.952\n跟委員說明有關於廚藝整個25年的期程台電規劃出來都有在河岸衛的網站都有那有關於那個長子所在地的輻射偵測那台電公司的相關資訊也都有都有放在網上公民眾可以去了解好那目前來講是不是已經跟地方政府包括新北跟基隆建立所謂災後廚藝安全監控的聯繫平台呢\n\n02:17.995 --> 02:36.412\n不是說核能發電廠核一核二除役之後那地方政府的聯繫就關這方面因為我們知道說這方面還是有很多其他跟地方政府需要聯繫的地方除役之後不是單純就是除役而已那跟地方政府之間的除役後的安全監控聯繫平台是否有建立\n\n02:39.984 --> 03:01.705\n跟委員報告其實目前新北跟屏東他們基本上都還有這個所謂的地方的這個核能安全監督委員會那事實上不管是運轉或者是除役相關的議題也都會提到那一邊去做一個報告跟說明那每一次這個台電公司也都會針對\n\n03:03.166 --> 03:16.984\n那個監督委員的要求提出相關的包括這個運轉除役後的期程跟除役後的委員關切的這些問題都有在這個監督委員會委員也都有提案來做一個說明\n\n03:18.251 --> 03:39.938\n好謝謝那我想請問第二個議題第二個議題其實我們知道說在亞洲這幾年來最慘烈的核安事件應該就是福島就是福島的核災那福島核災已經過了13年了那我們當初政府也承諾說過全面檢視系統強化那針對說以下我想請問一下我們核安會針對我們這個核能發電廠\n\n03:42.739 --> 03:52.695\n我們的海嘯牆我們的應急的電源我們通風的備援跟我們數位化系統是不是都已經全數的升級完成呢\n\n03:54.928 --> 04:23.787\n跟委員說明,福島事後河岸外有一些列管的事項,包括委員提到的一些硬體設備,那另外還有一些軟體,包括運轉能源、電廠的一些應變程序都有。那有關於那個電力設備後備的電源都有去增設,移動式電源車啊,然後另外也增加重要廠房的水密門,然後也針對地震的一些強化,耐震強化也進行評估跟補強。\n\n04:24.688 --> 04:47.180\n都已經完成謝謝您謝謝組長特地提到地震因為我下一個問題就是說因為現在極端地震其實發生的地方不會只是單純說在地震帶而已而是什麼地方都有可能發生發生地震那針對極端地震甚至山崩所造成的冷卻失敗的冷卻失效的模擬測試結果是什麼樣有關至少河山場吧\n\n04:50.088 --> 05:10.596\n這個在台電公司我們列管的文件裡面有一項就是針對應變的程序包括緊急應變然後負荷災害的一些運轉操作這部分都有進行整合那也例行性的去測試演練以上說明那目前結果是我們是測試到第幾級的地震呢\n\n05:13.131 --> 05:37.739\n會依照我們參考美國的做法就是針對核一二三場所在地320公里範圍內可知的一些地震都納入評估然後進行強化大概可以承受到幾級地震以核二三場來講已經可以達到氣象署所定的最大級別7級地震以上\n\n05:39.472 --> 06:07.248\n因為這就是我本來是想問既然已經跟美國因為我記得是美日法這三個國家相對來講是在國際之間被公認的核能強國那如果有跟他們一樣同行同步修訂的這個最新的災害標準跟這個演練參數那我想我就比較放心因為我們是希望說有更能夠實驗過後的實證資料跟持續改進的機制這樣對於我們的核能安全會有比較良好的一個保證\n\n06:08.909 --> 06:31.810\n第三點我也想請教就是歷近來講這個軍演中國大陸的軍演這個是我們所謂的ClearandPresentdanger既迫切又實際的實在的威脅那其實不管什麼樣的軍演尤其是在目前這個地緣政治複雜的時候我們台灣的核能設施會是我們是一個弱點呢還是一個堡壘\n\n06:32.972 --> 06:36.257\n我想請問一下我們核能發電廠有沒有納入所謂的戰略基礎設施保護網呢\n\n06:43.125 --> 07:05.298\n有那既然有的話那沈河安會說明說在解放軍演習的期間針對核能發電廠進行的防護評估跟沙盤推演是什麼假設他們真的想說現在核一核二在處理嘛那如果核三的話目前如果解放軍他們真的來攻擊台灣那目前來講核能發電廠準備做什麼樣的防護評估呢\n\n07:07.445 --> 07:20.437\n跟委員報告基本上依照國際公約任何的軍事行動是不可以供給核能電廠這是先跟委員做個說明但是也不排除說會有像譬如說像俄烏戰爭札波羅的電廠\n\n07:22.359 --> 07:44.373\n之後事實上會裡面就把相關的這些情境我們就已經納到我們每年的河岸演習的一個兵棋推演的一個過程這邊可以跟委員報告就是當我們知道有這樣的一個軍事威脅的時候首先當然就要針對場裡面的維生跟維運相關的物資的整備人員的部分就要補足充足隨時應變\n\n07:46.854 --> 08:03.410\n那因為基本上是後續的話當然我們就會依照可能發生的情境再做一些推演所以我想這部分我們自從俄烏戰爭之後這個議題一直都在融在我們的核安演習的情境裡面以上\n\n08:04.588 --> 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系統強化那針對說以下我想請問一下我們核安會針對我們這個核能發電廠"},{"start":222.739,"end":232.695,"text":"我們的海嘯牆我們的應急的電源我們通風的備援跟我們數位化系統是不是都已經全數的升級完成呢"},{"start":234.928,"end":263.787,"text":"跟委員說明,福島事後河岸外有一些列管的事項,包括委員提到的一些硬體設備,那另外還有一些軟體,包括運轉能源、電廠的一些應變程序都有。那有關於那個電力設備後備的電源都有去增設,移動式電源車啊,然後另外也增加重要廠房的水密門,然後也針對地震的一些強化,耐震強化也進行評估跟補強。"},{"start":264.688,"end":287.18,"text":"都已經完成謝謝您謝謝組長特地提到地震因為我下一個問題就是說因為現在極端地震其實發生的地方不會只是單純說在地震帶而已而是什麼地方都有可能發生發生地震那針對極端地震甚至山崩所造成的冷卻失敗的冷卻失效的模擬測試結果是什麼樣有關至少河山場吧"},{"start":290.088,"end":310.596,"text":"這個在台電公司我們列管的文件裡面有一項就是針對應變的程序包括緊急應變然後負荷災害的一些運轉操作這部分都有進行整合那也例行性的去測試演練 以上說明那目前結果是我們是測試到第幾級的地震呢"},{"start":313.131,"end":337.739,"text":"會依照我們參考美國的做法就是針對核一二三場所在地320公里範圍內可知的一些地震都納入評估然後進行強化大概可以承受到幾級地震以核二三場來講已經可以達到氣象署所定的最大級別7級地震以上"},{"start":339.472,"end":367.248,"text":"因為這就是我本來是想問既然已經跟美國因為我記得是美日法這三個國家相對來講是在國際之間被公認的核能強國那如果有跟他們一樣同行同步修訂的這個最新的災害標準跟這個演練參數那我想我就比較放心因為我們是希望說有更能夠實驗過後的實證資料跟持續改進的機制這樣對於我們的核能安全會有比較良好的一個保證"},{"start":368.909,"end":391.81,"text":"第三點我也想請教就是歷近來講這個軍演中國大陸的軍演這個是我們所謂的Clear and Present 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