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00:01:11,671\n先進的核能技術保持著開放的態度但是也特別說任何的政策變更都必須滿足核安、核廢、社會共識才可能來進行那在這樣的一個說法本席要請教主委核安會對於核能發電的立場是什麼總統以及行政院長\n\n4\n00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:28,551\n還有我們的經濟部的郭部長他都表示了對於先進的核能技術採取開放的立場那核安會的態度呢請主委說明核安會也是對先進核能技術採取開放立場\n\n5\n00:01:29,051 --> 00:01:57,492\n也是開放的立場好那我們繼續來討論核能的爭議最主要的就是在核廢料好像目前還沒有解放但是核廢料沒有辦法處理的這一點引起了大家的一個疑慮那過去核電科技再怎麼進步都去不了去不掉這個核廢料的處理還沒有解放的陰影但是我們看到最近日本\n\n6\n00:01:58,553 --> 00:02:17,994\n日本原能所宣布開發出首款的核廢料充電電池雖然沒有辦法一舉解決所有核廢料的問題但是我們至少期待已經有看到曙光日本原能所正式宣布以後\n\n7\n00:02:18,995 --> 00:02:25,198\n為活性物質設計出新款可充電的電池呢日本原理所他號稱喔這款的充電電池呢電壓達到1.3伏特那麼接近了鹼性的這個電池的1.5伏特所以本席在這邊請教主委目前河岸會對於日本這個先進技術我們了解的程度是如何那麼我們國內\n\n8\n00:02:45,789 --> 00:03:03,863\n是不是也有類似像這樣的一個研究在進行中你認為它日本所宣布的這是不是也可以來解決核廢料的一個面向請說明我們有核安會有注意到這方面的消息先請高院長跟委員長說一下這個我們有掌握基本上\n\n9\n00:03:09,727 --> 00:03:27,627\n核廢料電池用核廢料來處理事實上國營院三年前也做過一個研究但是發現這個CP值都非常的低包括日本這個研究它是用一個含鈾的電解液它甚至說可以到1.3快要接近了減進了1.5伏特\n\n10\n00:03:29,529 --> 00:03:50,532\n對他認為有穩定電力的供應但是我們國內要把鈾用過核廢料做鈾的分離受到美國跟國際原子能所總署法規的規定有限制所以我們不可能從用過核燃料去提煉做再處理我們不可能但是我們還是有其他的研究是是是\n\n11\n00:03:50,672 --> 00:04:09,573\n我們有其他研究也會注意密切注意中國大陸中國方面也有類似的研究所以我們希望看全世界各國有哪一些面向我們當然都要集聚這些的智慧跟解決方案限制所以沒辦法從何非料所以一定要好好的去跟世界接軌\n\n12\n00:04:10,914 --> 00:04:31,515\n哪一方面有哪一方面的面向的一個方案我們都可以拿回來作為借鏡好那接下來本席要請教我們的這個核廢料它分為高低放射性的廢棄物那目前我們高的部分是用過的燃料棒\n\n13\n00:04:32,296 --> 00:04:42,264\n那其餘的我們歸類在低放射性的這個廢棄物目前我們國內僅針對於低放射性廢棄物有最終處置設置場址設置的條件的這個條例主管機關單位是我們的核安費那主辦單位是經濟部高的部分呢高放的這個處置呢到目前為止我們還沒有法源\n\n14\n00:04:59,719 --> 00:05:04,422\n所以目前政府傾向維持高放跟低放來分開立法的原則那麼我們現在河岸會也改組為安全管制機關經濟部將擔下高放的選址立法的責任那經濟部現在也緊鑼密鼓地在籌設放射性廢棄物處置的專案辦公室所以請教主委\n\n15\n00:05:28,297 --> 00:05:38,938\n在目前我們的核燴料的處置上面核安會你的角色功能是如何你又要怎麼樣跟經濟部來分工合作請做說明\n\n16\n00:05:40,325 --> 00:06:06,790\n目前处理高阶核废料当务之急是新建干涉储存设施本会会继续监督台电推行的这个计划这是当务之急高阶核废料还没有到最终处置的时候将来因为有科技进步有很多新的方法来处理包括把高阶核废料转换低阶核废料\n\n17\n00:06:09,233 --> 00:06:36,459\n這個技術一直大家都在研究我們相信未來會有一些成果出現一直在研究未來會有一些成果出現那經濟部現在他們正在籌備這個專責的辦公室那未來我們和安會要怎麼樣跟經濟部去做合作的這個事宜呢現在新的專責機構最重要的是跟地方的溝通\n\n18\n00:06:37,899 --> 00:07:01,751\n就是LocalConsent無論如何有沒有核電廠都一定會有核廢料所以低階核廢料儲存廠一定要有地方放所以這方面的地區的溝通地方的溝通是非常重要這是關鍵所以專責辦公室專案辦公室的重點是在跟地方來協調對對對所以你的說法是如此嗎院長要不要再說明一下\n\n19\n00:07:07,777 --> 00:07:25,888\n報告委員那個經濟部的專欄辦公室他的主要工作一個是高放處置的選址法案推動那另外他還監作高低放廢棄物選址作業以及必要的地址調查跟社會溝通\n\n20\n00:07:27,301 --> 00:07:36,766\n好我們也就是希望既然政府有這個專案辦公室那在整個的合作事宜我們希望能夠這個緊密結合這個才能夠達成這個效能嗎是的好加油謝謝好謝謝謝謝楊瓊英委員所有請回我們接下來請萬美玲委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7446\t7888\t有請陳主委\n20121\t44931\t本周一是世界地球日總統也接見了全國的NGO團體環團代表也特別針對了核能發表這個看法總統也表示核能的議題需要凝聚共識政府將持續穩定供電開發多元的綠能他也不排除任何有助淨零的方案行政團隊對於未來新的\n47572\t71671\t先進的核能技術保持著開放的態度但是也特別說任何的政策變更都必須滿足核安、核廢、社會共識才可能來進行那在這樣的一個說法本席要請教主委核安會對於核能發電的立場是什麼總統以及行政院長\n72572\t88551\t還有我們的經濟部的郭部長他都表示了對於先進的核能技術採取開放的立場那核安會的態度呢請主委說明核安會也是對先進核能技術採取開放立場\n89051\t117492\t也是開放的立場好那我們繼續來討論核能的爭議最主要的就是在核廢料好像目前還沒有解放但是核廢料沒有辦法處理的這一點引起了大家的一個疑慮那過去核電科技再怎麼進步都去不了去不掉這個核廢料的處理還沒有解放的陰影但是我們看到最近日本\n118553\t137994\t日本原能所宣布開發出首款的核廢料充電電池雖然沒有辦法一舉解決所有核廢料的問題但是我們至少期待已經有看到曙光日本原能所正式宣布以後\n138995\t145198\t為活性物質 設計出新款可充電的電池呢日本原理所他號稱喔這款的充電電池呢電壓達到1.3伏特那麼接近了鹼性的這個電池的1.5伏特所以本席在這邊請教主委目前河岸會對於日本這個先進技術我們了解的程度是如何那麼我們國內\n165789\t183863\t是不是也有類似像這樣的一個研究在進行中你認為它日本所宣布的這是不是也可以來解決核廢料的一個面向請說明我們有 核安會有注意到這方面的消息 先請高院長跟委員長說一下這個我們有掌握 基本上\n189727\t207627\t核廢料電池用核廢料來處理事實上國營院三年前也做過一個研究但是發現這個CP值都非常的低包括日本這個研究它是用一個含鈾的電解液它甚至說可以到1.3快要接近了減進了1.5伏特\n209529\t230532\t對 他認為有穩定電力的供應但是我們國內要把鈾用過核廢料做鈾的分離受到美國跟國際原子能所總署法規的規定有限制所以我們不可能從用過核燃料去提煉做再處理我們不可能 但是我們還是有其他的研究是是是\n230672\t249573\t我們有其他研究也會注意 密切注意中國大陸 中國方面也有類似的研究所以我們希望看全世界各國有哪一些面向我們當然都要集聚這些的智慧跟解決方案限制 所以沒辦法從何非料所以一定要好好的去跟世界接軌\n250914\t271515\t哪一方面有哪一方面的面向的一個方案我們都可以拿回來作為借鏡好 那接下來本席要請教我們的這個核廢料它分為高低放射性的廢棄物那目前我們高的部分是用過的燃料棒\n272296\t282264\t那其餘的我們歸類在低放射性的這個廢棄物目前我們國內僅針對於低放射性廢棄物有最終處置設置場址設置的條件的這個條例主管機關單位是我們的核安費那主辦單位是經濟部高的部分呢高放的這個處置呢到目前為止我們還沒有法源\n299719\t304422\t所以目前政府傾向維持高放跟低放來分開立法的原則那麼我們現在河岸會也改組為安全管制機關經濟部將擔下高放的選址立法的責任那經濟部現在也緊鑼密鼓地在籌設放射性廢棄物處置的專案辦公室所以請教主委\n328297\t338938\t在目前我們的核燴料的處置上面 核安會你的角色功能是如何你又要怎麼樣跟經濟部來分工合作 請做說明\n340325\t366790\t目前处理高阶核废料当务之急是新建干涉储存设施本会会继续监督台电推行的这个计划这是当务之急高阶核废料还没有到最终处置的时候将来因为有科技进步有很多新的方法来处理包括把高阶核废料转换低阶核废料\n369233\t396459\t這個技術一直大家都在研究我們相信未來會有一些成果出現一直在研究未來會有一些成果出現那經濟部現在他們正在籌備這個專責的辦公室那未來我們和安會要怎麼樣跟經濟部去做合作的這個事宜呢現在新的專責機構最重要的是跟地方的溝通\n397899\t421751\t就是Local Consent無論如何有沒有核電廠都一定會有核廢料所以低階核廢料儲存廠一定要有地方放所以這方面的地區的溝通地方的溝通是非常重要這是關鍵所以專責辦公室專案辦公室的重點是在跟地方來協調對對對所以你的說法是如此嗎院長要不要再說明一下\n427777\t445888\t報告委員那個經濟部的專欄辦公室他的主要工作一個是高放處置的選址法案推動那另外他還監作高低放廢棄物選址作業以及必要的地址調查跟社會溝通\n447301\t456766\t好 我們也就是希望既然政府有這個專案辦公室那在整個的合作事宜我們希望能夠這個緊密結合這個才能夠達成這個效能嗎是的好 加油 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝楊瓊英委員所有請回我們接下來請萬美玲委員\n","txt":"有請陳主委\n本周一是世界地球日總統也接見了全國的NGO團體環團代表也特別針對了核能發表這個看法總統也表示核能的議題需要凝聚共識政府將持續穩定供電開發多元的綠能他也不排除任何有助淨零的方案行政團隊對於未來新的\n先進的核能技術保持著開放的態度但是也特別說任何的政策變更都必須滿足核安、核廢、社會共識才可能來進行那在這樣的一個說法本席要請教主委核安會對於核能發電的立場是什麼總統以及行政院長\n還有我們的經濟部的郭部長他都表示了對於先進的核能技術採取開放的立場那核安會的態度呢請主委說明核安會也是對先進核能技術採取開放立場\n也是開放的立場好那我們繼續來討論核能的爭議最主要的就是在核廢料好像目前還沒有解放但是核廢料沒有辦法處理的這一點引起了大家的一個疑慮那過去核電科技再怎麼進步都去不了去不掉這個核廢料的處理還沒有解放的陰影但是我們看到最近日本\n日本原能所宣布開發出首款的核廢料充電電池雖然沒有辦法一舉解決所有核廢料的問題但是我們至少期待已經有看到曙光日本原能所正式宣布以後\n為活性物質 設計出新款可充電的電池呢日本原理所他號稱喔這款的充電電池呢電壓達到1.3伏特那麼接近了鹼性的這個電池的1.5伏特所以本席在這邊請教主委目前河岸會對於日本這個先進技術我們了解的程度是如何那麼我們國內\n是不是也有類似像這樣的一個研究在進行中你認為它日本所宣布的這是不是也可以來解決核廢料的一個面向請說明我們有 核安會有注意到這方面的消息 先請高院長跟委員長說一下這個我們有掌握 基本上\n核廢料電池用核廢料來處理事實上國營院三年前也做過一個研究但是發現這個CP值都非常的低包括日本這個研究它是用一個含鈾的電解液它甚至說可以到1.3快要接近了減進了1.5伏特\n對 他認為有穩定電力的供應但是我們國內要把鈾用過核廢料做鈾的分離受到美國跟國際原子能所總署法規的規定有限制所以我們不可能從用過核燃料去提煉做再處理我們不可能 但是我們還是有其他的研究是是是\n我們有其他研究也會注意 密切注意中國大陸 中國方面也有類似的研究所以我們希望看全世界各國有哪一些面向我們當然都要集聚這些的智慧跟解決方案限制 所以沒辦法從何非料所以一定要好好的去跟世界接軌\n哪一方面有哪一方面的面向的一個方案我們都可以拿回來作為借鏡好 那接下來本席要請教我們的這個核廢料它分為高低放射性的廢棄物那目前我們高的部分是用過的燃料棒\n那其餘的我們歸類在低放射性的這個廢棄物目前我們國內僅針對於低放射性廢棄物有最終處置設置場址設置的條件的這個條例主管機關單位是我們的核安費那主辦單位是經濟部高的部分呢高放的這個處置呢到目前為止我們還沒有法源\n所以目前政府傾向維持高放跟低放來分開立法的原則那麼我們現在河岸會也改組為安全管制機關經濟部將擔下高放的選址立法的責任那經濟部現在也緊鑼密鼓地在籌設放射性廢棄物處置的專案辦公室所以請教主委\n在目前我們的核燴料的處置上面 核安會你的角色功能是如何你又要怎麼樣跟經濟部來分工合作 請做說明\n目前处理高阶核废料当务之急是新建干涉储存设施本会会继续监督台电推行的这个计划这是当务之急高阶核废料还没有到最终处置的时候将来因为有科技进步有很多新的方法来处理包括把高阶核废料转换低阶核废料\n這個技術一直大家都在研究我們相信未來會有一些成果出現一直在研究未來會有一些成果出現那經濟部現在他們正在籌備這個專責的辦公室那未來我們和安會要怎麼樣跟經濟部去做合作的這個事宜呢現在新的專責機構最重要的是跟地方的溝通\n就是Local Consent無論如何有沒有核電廠都一定會有核廢料所以低階核廢料儲存廠一定要有地方放所以這方面的地區的溝通地方的溝通是非常重要這是關鍵所以專責辦公室專案辦公室的重點是在跟地方來協調對對對所以你的說法是如此嗎院長要不要再說明一下\n報告委員那個經濟部的專欄辦公室他的主要工作一個是高放處置的選址法案推動那另外他還監作高低放廢棄物選址作業以及必要的地址調查跟社會溝通\n好 我們也就是希望既然政府有這個專案辦公室那在整個的合作事宜我們希望能夠這個緊密結合這個才能夠達成這個效能嗎是的好 加油 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝楊瓊英委員所有請回我們接下來請萬美玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.446 --> 00:07.888\n有請陳主委\n\n00:20.121 --> 00:44.931\n本周一是世界地球日總統也接見了全國的NGO團體環團代表也特別針對了核能發表這個看法總統也表示核能的議題需要凝聚共識政府將持續穩定供電開發多元的綠能他也不排除任何有助淨零的方案行政團隊對於未來新的\n\n00:47.572 --> 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