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00:02:13,946\n兩公里到三公里的社宅就六千多戶正在已經決標凍土包含重石、青峰、永青、海附、海景、福山還有G20有非常非常如火如荼的都在進行但這些社宅目前還沒有成型那高雄市政府跟我們國土署還有住戶中心\n\n6\n00:02:14,571 --> 00:02:37,751\n也都很積極的在找這些可能可以在新建社宅的土地那可能可以新建社宅的土地如果遇到被重度標籤對未來這些社宅的土地取得還是會有一點影響這些都是政府必須要面面俱到的去關心的那我想另外今天還有一些針對租金補貼針對房東房客\n\n7\n00:02:41,587 --> 00:03:08,724\n那當然嘛政府你一定希望這些租金是逐步透明而且平穩那房東希望什麼房東就是希望他可以不用繳最好就是這個免稅額度可以提高這也是在今天很多修法的內容裡面但是我們要保障房客的是什麼東西我們要保障房客的也希望房東不要\n\n8\n00:03:10,285 --> 00:03:37,651\n因為這種不愉快然後房子不租給房客讓房客有不安全感那另外我們也希望透過租金補貼的方式來取得相關這些租金的這些逐步的透明化讓這個租屋市場平穩這些都是在修法內容裡面我們當然都支持弱勢我們當然都希望保障房客我們也希望鼓勵房東把這些房子拿出來做公益出租但是怎麼樣取得一個平衡\n\n9\n00:03:38,479 --> 00:04:01,140\n都是接下來我覺得跟署長要做一些很精細的討論的東西啦所以在這邊先我們先不如果說下午沒有進入這個討論的話我想希望國土署針對我剛剛講的這幾點吼那還有包含可能未來從今年開始\n\n10\n00:04:01,656 --> 00:04:15,594\n明年、後年、2025、2026、2027都會有完工的戶數都會有完工的戶數之後那所有遇到的這些問題的統計還有最重要的喔很多縣市政府現在也在興建\n\n11\n00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:34,646\n我那天安排包含內政部董事長跟署長一起來高雄市的這個從事安居其實高雄市的獨發局就跟你們講很多因為他們已經遇到很多這些包租代管還有相關的這些這些費用的問題很希望可以傳授一些\n\n12\n00:04:36,226 --> 00:05:04,105\n給你們也希望透過接下來如果國土署這邊可以跟所有縣市政府做這些交談交流可以對我們即將大量完成的每年度即將大量完成的這些社會住宅有很正面的意義的幫助所以在這邊先請吳署長你是不是可以針對所有縣市政府目前已經興建好的社宅可能有一些已經要\n\n13\n00:05:04,807 --> 00:05:28,349\n已經要面臨他第一次的六年要滿了那另外有一些比如說高雄市有幾個社宅他已經搬進去一年兩年所遇到的這些相關的問題做一些交流跟請教來署長跟文報的確啦因為我們在每年的這個每一季的檢討會還有跟各縣市政府跟六都有一個社宅的管理的聯合大平台\n\n14\n00:05:28,909 --> 00:05:44,174\n其實陸陸續續都收到很多意見尤其從去年下半年到今年上半年剛好很多都是輪完第一輪都輪完第一輪其實大家都累積了非常多的經驗當然有不錯的也有很痛苦的\n\n15\n00:05:44,614 --> 00:06:13,493\n那這些其實都有回饋給我們做這個在後續要做設宅因為接下來是接下來這幾年中央的完工的設宅會大量的釋出這樣今年大概就有4000戶左右那到明年更會有大概7000戶左右那大概每一年都會維持一定的數量會開始釋出那所以相對的在管理經驗上就更需要因為它遍佈到全國我們必須要更了解有些在地性的問題\n\n16\n00:06:14,514 --> 00:06:39,730\n那這是一個第二個就是說其實很多我們在興建社宅的過程當中也很擔心被標籤化這也是為什麼我們今天在弱勢的部分會特別要注意這個問題因為相對很多年輕人他也會擔憂弱勢比例值提高會不會相對他的他的重簽率就會大幅的降低那所以這一點也是我們在這過程當中會很審慎我們希望透過更多的行政措施來解決這個問題\n\n17\n00:06:40,871 --> 00:06:54,938\n而不是一定要透過修法那透過行政措施能夠達到平衡的狀態下可能會做得更清楚那第三個就是說當然這過程當中在一般民間的這個租賃合約不公平的這個部分其實\n\n18\n00:06:56,218 --> 00:07:19,528\n在我們這幾年的這個包租代管也好或是租金補貼也好都產生很多這一類的問題那這一些呢我們也都有跟地政司合作地政司現在先行的部分先透過這個定情化契約的修正那把一些房客比較受到不公平對待的部分譬如說任意漲租啦或是這一個水電費電費的這個課徵電費的這個收費標準\n\n19\n00:07:23,809 --> 00:07:50,118\n不合理的問題通通在裡面的明確的定義那這些我想我們會在這幾個月收集各縣市政府他們所提出來的問題我們會再做一些這我同意啦這確實需要一些時間做一些交流跟這些資料的收集最後針對國土署已經在整體開發地區的社宅取得方案已經報行政院了嗎那如果已經報行政院了那我希望\n\n20\n00:07:52,008 --> 00:08:07,170\n可以具體的來執行針對區域計畫或者是公辦都更裡面到底多少比例必須要來興建設宅因為非常遺憾的台中市的狀況現在國土署要也要不到那所以說希望未來在這些相關審議的過程裡面\n\n21\n00:08:08,410 --> 00:08:26,681\n那國土署就提供更具體的這些方案那現在報行政院的部分可以趕快具體的來實施是這個部分我們其實抱怨的部分就會涵蓋都市計畫審議中的還有現在它的在重劃區或區政區已經取得的我們這一個部分是已經取得的可以嗎\n\n22\n00:08:27,762 --> 00:08:55,701\n在行政措施上就是可以但是如果今天立法的話那一塊反而會拿不到這很重要喔如果立法反而會拿不到那我們透過行政措施直接跟地方政府協商我們可以取得現階段縣市政府手中已經握有的四地重劃區案徵收區的土地就可以進行協商來取得我覺得這個對台中現在真的標高的房價一定有一定有很正面的注意啦那葡萄樹也有一些具體的這個行政措施\n\n23\n00:08:56,201 --> 00:09:04,685\n可以在縣市政府他對於涉災不積極的情況下中央政府也可以來做是這個我們會朝這個方向來努力好謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝李博議員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3629\t31276\t我們有請署長吳署長有請委員好今天很多委員的提案都是針對住宅法住宅法其實包含哪些人有資格住他可以住多久這些包含弱勢的比例到底我們希望把它放到哪一個程度包含弱勢另外年輕人到底我們要怎麼獎勵他\n32689\t50520\t年輕人他住在社宅裡面他現在目前有兩個小孩他會有比較優先的資格之外有沒有要再放寬這個都是今天很多委員提案的內容裡面的一些法律提案但是社宅其實從\n52778\t78102\t2016年開始倡議到2022年其實我們就做過一次住宅法的修法但到2025年也就是今年其實第一批的設宅其實剛好大概很多比如說林口比如說有些地方的設宅滿6年的那滿6年會遇到到底政府的政策是要輪動還是說政府的政策\n79412\t107865\t針對這些目前所提出來包含弱勢包含很多種原因的人他有沒有多住幾年的空間這都是接下來要討論的而且在從2025年開始從今年開始包含我的選區從實安居那包含我高雄市有非常非常多以高雄現在在招招台積電進來那在台積電周邊光是左營男子光是左營男子周邊\n109012\t133946\t兩公里到三公里的社宅就六千多戶正在已經決標凍土包含重石、青峰、永青、海附、海景、福山還有G20有非常非常如火如荼的都在進行但這些社宅目前還沒有成型那高雄市政府跟我們國土署還有住戶中心\n134571\t157751\t也都很積極的在找這些可能可以在新建社宅的土地那可能可以新建社宅的土地如果遇到被重度標籤對未來這些社宅的土地取得還是會有一點影響這些都是政府必須要面面俱到的去關心的那我想另外今天還有一些針對租金補貼針對房東房客\n161587\t188724\t那當然嘛政府你一定希望這些租金是逐步透明而且平穩那房東希望什麼房東就是希望他可以不用繳最好就是這個免稅額度可以提高這也是在今天很多修法的內容裡面但是我們要保障房客的是什麼東西我們要保障房客的也希望房東不要\n190285\t217651\t因為這種不愉快然後房子不租給房客讓房客有不安全感那另外我們也希望透過租金補貼的方式來取得相關這些租金的這些逐步的透明化讓這個租屋市場平穩這些都是在修法內容裡面我們當然都支持弱勢我們當然都希望保障房客我們也希望鼓勵房東把這些房子拿出來做公益出租但是怎麼樣取得一個平衡\n218479\t241140\t都是接下來我覺得跟署長要做一些很精細的討論的東西啦所以在這邊先我們先不如果說下午沒有進入這個討論的話我想希望國土署針對我剛剛講的這幾點吼那還有包含可能未來從今年開始\n241656\t255594\t明年、後年、2025、2026、2027都會有完工的戶數都會有完工的戶數之後那所有遇到的這些問題的統計還有最重要的喔很多縣市政府現在也在興建\n257199\t274646\t我那天安排包含內政部董事長跟署長一起來高雄市的這個從事安居其實高雄市的獨發局就跟你們講很多因為他們已經遇到很多這些包租代管還有相關的這些這些費用的問題很希望可以傳授一些\n276226\t304105\t給你們也希望透過接下來如果國土署這邊可以跟所有縣市政府做這些交談交流可以對我們即將大量完成的每年度即將大量完成的這些社會住宅有很正面的意義的幫助所以在這邊先請吳署長你是不是可以針對所有縣市政府目前已經興建好的社宅可能有一些已經要\n304807\t328349\t已經要面臨他第一次的六年要滿了那另外有一些比如說高雄市有幾個社宅他已經搬進去一年兩年所遇到的這些相關的問題做一些交流跟請教來署長跟文報的確啦因為我們在每年的這個每一季的檢討會還有跟各縣市政府跟六都有一個社宅的管理的聯合大平台\n328909\t344174\t其實陸陸續續都收到很多意見尤其從去年下半年到今年上半年剛好很多都是輪完第一輪都輪完第一輪其實大家都累積了非常多的經驗當然有不錯的也有很痛苦的\n344614\t373493\t那這些其實都有回饋給我們做這個在後續要做設宅因為接下來是接下來這幾年中央的完工的設宅會大量的釋出這樣今年大概就有4000戶左右那到明年更會有大概7000戶左右那大概每一年都會維持一定的數量會開始釋出那所以相對的在管理經驗上就更需要因為它遍佈到全國我們必須要更了解有些在地性的問題\n374514\t399730\t那這是一個第二個就是說其實很多我們在興建社宅的過程當中也很擔心被標籤化這也是為什麼我們今天在弱勢的部分會特別要注意這個問題因為相對很多年輕人他也會擔憂弱勢比例值提高會不會相對他的他的重簽率就會大幅的降低那所以這一點也是我們在這過程當中會很審慎我們希望透過更多的行政措施來解決這個問題\n400871\t414938\t而不是一定要透過修法那透過行政措施能夠達到平衡的狀態下可能會做得更清楚那第三個就是說當然這過程當中在一般民間的這個租賃合約不公平的這個部分其實\n416218\t439528\t在我們這幾年的這個包租代管也好或是租金補貼也好都產生很多這一類的問題那這一些呢我們也都有跟地政司合作地政司現在先行的部分先透過這個定情化契約的修正那把一些房客比較受到不公平對待的部分譬如說任意漲租啦或是這一個水電費電費的這個課徵電費的這個收費標準\n443809\t470118\t不合理的問題通通在裡面的明確的定義那這些我想我們會在這幾個月收集各縣市政府他們所提出來的問題我們會再做一些這我同意啦這確實需要一些時間做一些交流跟這些資料的收集最後針對國土署已經在整體開發地區的社宅取得方案已經報行政院了嗎那如果已經報行政院了那我希望\n472008\t487170\t可以具體的來執行針對區域計畫或者是公辦都更裡面到底多少比例必須要來興建設宅因為非常遺憾的台中市的狀況現在國土署要也要不到那所以說希望未來在這些相關審議的過程裡面\n488410\t506681\t那國土署就提供更具體的這些方案那現在報行政院的部分可以趕快具體的來實施是這個部分我們其實抱怨的部分就會涵蓋都市計畫審議中的還有現在它的在重劃區或區政區已經取得的我們這一個部分是已經取得的可以嗎\n507762\t535701\t在行政措施上就是可以但是如果今天立法的話那一塊反而會拿不到這很重要喔如果立法反而會拿不到那我們透過行政措施直接跟地方政府協商我們可以取得現階段縣市政府手中已經握有的四地重劃區案徵收區的土地就可以進行協商來取得我覺得這個對台中現在真的標高的房價一定有一定有很正面的注意啦那葡萄樹也有一些具體的這個行政措施\n536201\t544685\t可以在縣市政府他對於涉災不積極的情況下中央政府也可以來做是 這個我們會朝這個方向來努力好 謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝李博議員\n","txt":"我們有請署長吳署長有請委員好今天很多委員的提案都是針對住宅法住宅法其實包含哪些人有資格住他可以住多久這些包含弱勢的比例到底我們希望把它放到哪一個程度包含弱勢另外年輕人到底我們要怎麼獎勵他\n年輕人他住在社宅裡面他現在目前有兩個小孩他會有比較優先的資格之外有沒有要再放寬這個都是今天很多委員提案的內容裡面的一些法律提案但是社宅其實從\n2016年開始倡議到2022年其實我們就做過一次住宅法的修法但到2025年也就是今年其實第一批的設宅其實剛好大概很多比如說林口比如說有些地方的設宅滿6年的那滿6年會遇到到底政府的政策是要輪動還是說政府的政策\n針對這些目前所提出來包含弱勢包含很多種原因的人他有沒有多住幾年的空間這都是接下來要討論的而且在從2025年開始從今年開始包含我的選區從實安居那包含我高雄市有非常非常多以高雄現在在招招台積電進來那在台積電周邊光是左營男子光是左營男子周邊\n兩公里到三公里的社宅就六千多戶正在已經決標凍土包含重石、青峰、永青、海附、海景、福山還有G20有非常非常如火如荼的都在進行但這些社宅目前還沒有成型那高雄市政府跟我們國土署還有住戶中心\n也都很積極的在找這些可能可以在新建社宅的土地那可能可以新建社宅的土地如果遇到被重度標籤對未來這些社宅的土地取得還是會有一點影響這些都是政府必須要面面俱到的去關心的那我想另外今天還有一些針對租金補貼針對房東房客\n那當然嘛政府你一定希望這些租金是逐步透明而且平穩那房東希望什麼房東就是希望他可以不用繳最好就是這個免稅額度可以提高這也是在今天很多修法的內容裡面但是我們要保障房客的是什麼東西我們要保障房客的也希望房東不要\n因為這種不愉快然後房子不租給房客讓房客有不安全感那另外我們也希望透過租金補貼的方式來取得相關這些租金的這些逐步的透明化讓這個租屋市場平穩這些都是在修法內容裡面我們當然都支持弱勢我們當然都希望保障房客我們也希望鼓勵房東把這些房子拿出來做公益出租但是怎麼樣取得一個平衡\n都是接下來我覺得跟署長要做一些很精細的討論的東西啦所以在這邊先我們先不如果說下午沒有進入這個討論的話我想希望國土署針對我剛剛講的這幾點吼那還有包含可能未來從今年開始\n明年、後年、2025、2026、2027都會有完工的戶數都會有完工的戶數之後那所有遇到的這些問題的統計還有最重要的喔很多縣市政府現在也在興建\n我那天安排包含內政部董事長跟署長一起來高雄市的這個從事安居其實高雄市的獨發局就跟你們講很多因為他們已經遇到很多這些包租代管還有相關的這些這些費用的問題很希望可以傳授一些\n給你們也希望透過接下來如果國土署這邊可以跟所有縣市政府做這些交談交流可以對我們即將大量完成的每年度即將大量完成的這些社會住宅有很正面的意義的幫助所以在這邊先請吳署長你是不是可以針對所有縣市政府目前已經興建好的社宅可能有一些已經要\n已經要面臨他第一次的六年要滿了那另外有一些比如說高雄市有幾個社宅他已經搬進去一年兩年所遇到的這些相關的問題做一些交流跟請教來署長跟文報的確啦因為我們在每年的這個每一季的檢討會還有跟各縣市政府跟六都有一個社宅的管理的聯合大平台\n其實陸陸續續都收到很多意見尤其從去年下半年到今年上半年剛好很多都是輪完第一輪都輪完第一輪其實大家都累積了非常多的經驗當然有不錯的也有很痛苦的\n那這些其實都有回饋給我們做這個在後續要做設宅因為接下來是接下來這幾年中央的完工的設宅會大量的釋出這樣今年大概就有4000戶左右那到明年更會有大概7000戶左右那大概每一年都會維持一定的數量會開始釋出那所以相對的在管理經驗上就更需要因為它遍佈到全國我們必須要更了解有些在地性的問題\n那這是一個第二個就是說其實很多我們在興建社宅的過程當中也很擔心被標籤化這也是為什麼我們今天在弱勢的部分會特別要注意這個問題因為相對很多年輕人他也會擔憂弱勢比例值提高會不會相對他的他的重簽率就會大幅的降低那所以這一點也是我們在這過程當中會很審慎我們希望透過更多的行政措施來解決這個問題\n而不是一定要透過修法那透過行政措施能夠達到平衡的狀態下可能會做得更清楚那第三個就是說當然這過程當中在一般民間的這個租賃合約不公平的這個部分其實\n在我們這幾年的這個包租代管也好或是租金補貼也好都產生很多這一類的問題那這一些呢我們也都有跟地政司合作地政司現在先行的部分先透過這個定情化契約的修正那把一些房客比較受到不公平對待的部分譬如說任意漲租啦或是這一個水電費電費的這個課徵電費的這個收費標準\n不合理的問題通通在裡面的明確的定義那這些我想我們會在這幾個月收集各縣市政府他們所提出來的問題我們會再做一些這我同意啦這確實需要一些時間做一些交流跟這些資料的收集最後針對國土署已經在整體開發地區的社宅取得方案已經報行政院了嗎那如果已經報行政院了那我希望\n可以具體的來執行針對區域計畫或者是公辦都更裡面到底多少比例必須要來興建設宅因為非常遺憾的台中市的狀況現在國土署要也要不到那所以說希望未來在這些相關審議的過程裡面\n那國土署就提供更具體的這些方案那現在報行政院的部分可以趕快具體的來實施是這個部分我們其實抱怨的部分就會涵蓋都市計畫審議中的還有現在它的在重劃區或區政區已經取得的我們這一個部分是已經取得的可以嗎\n在行政措施上就是可以但是如果今天立法的話那一塊反而會拿不到這很重要喔如果立法反而會拿不到那我們透過行政措施直接跟地方政府協商我們可以取得現階段縣市政府手中已經握有的四地重劃區案徵收區的土地就可以進行協商來取得我覺得這個對台中現在真的標高的房價一定有一定有很正面的注意啦那葡萄樹也有一些具體的這個行政措施\n可以在縣市政府他對於涉災不積極的情況下中央政府也可以來做是 這個我們會朝這個方向來努力好 謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝李博議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.629 --> 00:31.276\n我們有請署長吳署長有請委員好今天很多委員的提案都是針對住宅法住宅法其實包含哪些人有資格住他可以住多久這些包含弱勢的比例到底我們希望把它放到哪一個程度包含弱勢另外年輕人到底我們要怎麼獎勵他\n\n00:32.689 --> 00:50.520\n年輕人他住在社宅裡面他現在目前有兩個小孩他會有比較優先的資格之外有沒有要再放寬這個都是今天很多委員提案的內容裡面的一些法律提案但是社宅其實從\n\n00:52.778 --> 01:18.102\n2016年開始倡議到2022年其實我們就做過一次住宅法的修法但到2025年也就是今年其實第一批的設宅其實剛好大概很多比如說林口比如說有些地方的設宅滿6年的那滿6年會遇到到底政府的政策是要輪動還是說政府的政策\n\n01:19.412 --> 01:47.865\n針對這些目前所提出來包含弱勢包含很多種原因的人他有沒有多住幾年的空間這都是接下來要討論的而且在從2025年開始從今年開始包含我的選區從實安居那包含我高雄市有非常非常多以高雄現在在招招台積電進來那在台積電周邊光是左營男子光是左營男子周邊\n\n01:49.012 --> 02:13.946\n兩公里到三公里的社宅就六千多戶正在已經決標凍土包含重石、青峰、永青、海附、海景、福山還有G20有非常非常如火如荼的都在進行但這些社宅目前還沒有成型那高雄市政府跟我們國土署還有住戶中心\n\n02:14.571 --> 02:37.751\n也都很積極的在找這些可能可以在新建社宅的土地那可能可以新建社宅的土地如果遇到被重度標籤對未來這些社宅的土地取得還是會有一點影響這些都是政府必須要面面俱到的去關心的那我想另外今天還有一些針對租金補貼針對房東房客\n\n02:41.587 --> 03:08.724\n那當然嘛政府你一定希望這些租金是逐步透明而且平穩那房東希望什麼房東就是希望他可以不用繳最好就是這個免稅額度可以提高這也是在今天很多修法的內容裡面但是我們要保障房客的是什麼東西我們要保障房客的也希望房東不要\n\n03:10.285 --> 03:37.651\n因為這種不愉快然後房子不租給房客讓房客有不安全感那另外我們也希望透過租金補貼的方式來取得相關這些租金的這些逐步的透明化讓這個租屋市場平穩這些都是在修法內容裡面我們當然都支持弱勢我們當然都希望保障房客我們也希望鼓勵房東把這些房子拿出來做公益出租但是怎麼樣取得一個平衡\n\n03:38.479 --> 04:01.140\n都是接下來我覺得跟署長要做一些很精細的討論的東西啦所以在這邊先我們先不如果說下午沒有進入這個討論的話我想希望國土署針對我剛剛講的這幾點吼那還有包含可能未來從今年開始\n\n04:01.656 --> 04:15.594\n明年、後年、2025、2026、2027都會有完工的戶數都會有完工的戶數之後那所有遇到的這些問題的統計還有最重要的喔很多縣市政府現在也在興建\n\n04:17.199 --> 04:34.646\n我那天安排包含內政部董事長跟署長一起來高雄市的這個從事安居其實高雄市的獨發局就跟你們講很多因為他們已經遇到很多這些包租代管還有相關的這些這些費用的問題很希望可以傳授一些\n\n04:36.226 --> 05:04.105\n給你們也希望透過接下來如果國土署這邊可以跟所有縣市政府做這些交談交流可以對我們即將大量完成的每年度即將大量完成的這些社會住宅有很正面的意義的幫助所以在這邊先請吳署長你是不是可以針對所有縣市政府目前已經興建好的社宅可能有一些已經要\n\n05:04.807 --> 05:28.349\n已經要面臨他第一次的六年要滿了那另外有一些比如說高雄市有幾個社宅他已經搬進去一年兩年所遇到的這些相關的問題做一些交流跟請教來署長跟文報的確啦因為我們在每年的這個每一季的檢討會還有跟各縣市政府跟六都有一個社宅的管理的聯合大平台\n\n05:28.909 --> 05:44.174\n其實陸陸續續都收到很多意見尤其從去年下半年到今年上半年剛好很多都是輪完第一輪都輪完第一輪其實大家都累積了非常多的經驗當然有不錯的也有很痛苦的\n\n05:44.614 --> 06:13.493\n那這些其實都有回饋給我們做這個在後續要做設宅因為接下來是接下來這幾年中央的完工的設宅會大量的釋出這樣今年大概就有4000戶左右那到明年更會有大概7000戶左右那大概每一年都會維持一定的數量會開始釋出那所以相對的在管理經驗上就更需要因為它遍佈到全國我們必須要更了解有些在地性的問題\n\n06:14.514 --> 06:39.730\n那這是一個第二個就是說其實很多我們在興建社宅的過程當中也很擔心被標籤化這也是為什麼我們今天在弱勢的部分會特別要注意這個問題因為相對很多年輕人他也會擔憂弱勢比例值提高會不會相對他的他的重簽率就會大幅的降低那所以這一點也是我們在這過程當中會很審慎我們希望透過更多的行政措施來解決這個問題\n\n06:40.871 --> 06:54.938\n而不是一定要透過修法那透過行政措施能夠達到平衡的狀態下可能會做得更清楚那第三個就是說當然這過程當中在一般民間的這個租賃合約不公平的這個部分其實\n\n06:56.218 --> 07:19.528\n在我們這幾年的這個包租代管也好或是租金補貼也好都產生很多這一類的問題那這一些呢我們也都有跟地政司合作地政司現在先行的部分先透過這個定情化契約的修正那把一些房客比較受到不公平對待的部分譬如說任意漲租啦或是這一個水電費電費的這個課徵電費的這個收費標準\n\n07:23.809 --> 07:50.118\n不合理的問題通通在裡面的明確的定義那這些我想我們會在這幾個月收集各縣市政府他們所提出來的問題我們會再做一些這我同意啦這確實需要一些時間做一些交流跟這些資料的收集最後針對國土署已經在整體開發地區的社宅取得方案已經報行政院了嗎那如果已經報行政院了那我希望\n\n07:52.008 --> 08:07.170\n可以具體的來執行針對區域計畫或者是公辦都更裡面到底多少比例必須要來興建設宅因為非常遺憾的台中市的狀況現在國土署要也要不到那所以說希望未來在這些相關審議的過程裡面\n\n08:08.410 --> 08:26.681\n那國土署就提供更具體的這些方案那現在報行政院的部分可以趕快具體的來實施是這個部分我們其實抱怨的部分就會涵蓋都市計畫審議中的還有現在它的在重劃區或區政區已經取得的我們這一個部分是已經取得的可以嗎\n\n08:27.762 --> 08:55.701\n在行政措施上就是可以但是如果今天立法的話那一塊反而會拿不到這很重要喔如果立法反而會拿不到那我們透過行政措施直接跟地方政府協商我們可以取得現階段縣市政府手中已經握有的四地重劃區案徵收區的土地就可以進行協商來取得我覺得這個對台中現在真的標高的房價一定有一定有很正面的注意啦那葡萄樹也有一些具體的這個行政措施\n\n08:56.201 --> 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