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00:02:36,697\n好這個我們可以再好謝謝部長那再來其實還有一點時間我要講一下另外我早上有特別提到醫療的資通安全的部分那這個是最近因為有發生過包括說二月的馬街醫院三月的彰化基督教醫院四月中壢的長盛醫院都被攻擊然後掛號失靈這個掛號失靈是醫院被迫改成人工叫號然後醫生要在那邊手寫處方然後還有八萬多人的病例疑似被外洩\n\n8\n00:02:37,697 --> 00:03:05,829\n那這其實是非常嚴重的事情那這個我要再講說醫院其實就是非常重要的關鍵基礎設施嘛那既然這麼重要的話除了說我知道說當時衛福部也有請我們資安署來協助對不對我們有派人進駐去看他們到底是發生什麼狀況那在這邊我想要了解一下當時這個資訊洩漏的災情到底如何那我們如何去防範那我在這邊提一下這個美國的一些例子喔\n\n9\n00:03:06,129 --> 00:03:31,443\n因為其實在今年二月底美國的FDA還有他們的網路安全基礎設施的設施局其實就有提到說有一款中國生產的生理監視器CMS8000就是他們的康泰克生產的那其實裡面可能有一個後門這個後門是可以把病患的資料傳輸到中國第三方大學的IP裡面\n\n10\n00:03:31,923 --> 00:03:57,748\n那這聽起來蠻驚悚的喔等於是說如果你用中國的這個機器他把你的生理監視的資料可以從後門偷偷的偷走那我認為在這邊要非常防範這些事情啦雖然我們不知道說二三四月發生的這一些在台灣的案例到底是純粹的駭客想要透過做一些商業上面的勒索還是他背後還有其他的意圖不得而知\n\n11\n00:03:58,288 --> 00:04:08,660\n那這個就是要請你們去調查的所以可不可以請我們的資安署說明一下調查出來的結果包括他的目的為何然後災情洩漏的狀況還有如何去防範\n\n12\n00:04:10,073 --> 00:04:38,567\n是謝謝委員的關心那這個整個這個從2月份開始的包括說馬街張機等等的相關醫院的這些駭客入侵的這些手法那我們都發現都是屬於一個駭客組織叫做CreditHunter這個駭客組織那這個駭客組織我們也發現裡面有一些信件好像有點簡體制這樣的一個情況因此在後來就有一些警察單位去做調查那在今年的4月2號那個刑事警察局就有發布一個新聞就是說他們破獲了這個\n\n13\n00:04:39,267 --> 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