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00:02:15,775\n不是都要我已經講過鼓勵制度他可登錄可不登錄那麼因為本席其實在之前總諮詢的時候我已經也詢問過其實陸委會對於這個登錄他目前為止就算是國人在大陸那裡發生什麼緊急的狀況有意外事故其實目前陸委會還有我們\n\n8\n00:02:16,915 --> 00:02:37,807\n台湾这边看起来也没有什么救助的能力那么所以呢就这个部分来讲的话我只是想要提醒内政部就是说如果说你们现在要启动这样的一个系统鼓励这个前往大陆的团体要登陆的话那真正如果发生什么事情的话其实内政部这边也应该要有所准备怎么样能够强化疾难救助的事情\n\n9\n00:02:38,467 --> 00:02:43,612\n好那接下來呢我想要再針對就是也是前兩天因為有台中議員有揭露這個國防部又發給有六間宮廟增掉空間存放軍火那雖然說我們的\n\n10\n00:02:54,523 --> 00:03:14,382\n這國防部部長有出來澄清說這不是存放軍火是徵求部隊休息的地方但是呢我也必須在這邊要再重申的就是在去年7月份其實當時就已經爆發出有苗栗有多間宮廟有收到軍方的公文要求要簽訂彈藥遇囤點的支援協定書\n\n11\n00:03:17,585 --> 00:03:39,075\n那么在那个时候其实本席已经有质询过国防部那么认为说这个事情很严重我不知道内政部作为公庙的宗教团体的主管机关你们晓不晓得一旦宗教团体被要求要存放相关的军药弹火那么对于公庙团体的影响是什么嗯\n\n12\n00:03:41,349 --> 00:03:59,685\n報告委員我想國防部已經對外多次澄清那我所了解他們所依據的是權動法那目前為止呢我們並沒有收到特別的這個宗教團體跟這個我們的宗教師提出這樣子的疑慮所以我想很多宗教團體大概就是配合權動法\n\n13\n00:04:00,486 --> 00:04:21,956\n好來我們看一下權動法的規定權動法裡面的規定其實非常的清楚只要是人民日常生活基本生活所必須的就是包含常常去中廟裡面去拜拜還有就是涉及到有關於這個相關的這個場所設備基本上是不可以徵購跟徵用的也就是說現在中廟宗教團體這些廟宇寺廟應該是要排除在全民防衛動員法第29條之外那麼\n\n14\n00:04:30,300 --> 00:04:57,732\n现在内政部民政司作为公庙团体主管机关应该要了解相关的法规应该要善尽保护公庙的责任可是我看起来就是部长对相关的这个法律的规定并不清楚不晓得说其实公庙不可以拿来作为存放弹药的或者是作为这个什么军队休息的地方\n\n15\n00:04:58,212 --> 00:05:18,502\n報告委員我剛已經說過國防部已經多次澄清那有關全民防衛動員準備法的這個法條的內容當然是由國防部來說明或解釋因為他們才是主管機關但是我看到委員所提的這個29條的第5項有一個叫其他經行政院指定公告者\n\n16\n00:05:19,002 --> 00:05:39,859\n所以事实上呢这个宗教的这个场合是不是适合作为国军休息的地方我想是有讨论的空间那这一点我会请国防部再跟委员说明清楚因为据本席了解应该是还没有在指定公告的范围里面那我本席要强调的是我们看一下就是其他的这个相关的国际条约里面所要求的\n\n17\n00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:59,812\n这个战争法很重要的原则就是居民区分原则啊如果说一旦一个民用物体那么它变成是一个被敌方认为它是一个军事作战地方它会成为军事目标那么未来就会被攻击这是很严重的事情那么内政部民政司应该要把相关的条文规定\n\n18\n00:06:02,193 --> 00:06:28,987\n报告委员我们现在并没有战争你要引用国际战争法我没有办法目前就跟你做回答但是战争随时随地都有可能会发生那是你说的以你们现在民进党政府的做法到目前为止在台湾人民的生活都是安和乐利谢谢委员指教如果说这样的话那你们为什么要去动用要去做这些防卫的演习\n\n19\n00:06:29,947 --> 00:06:55,524\n事实上我觉得民进党政府就是很不负责任你们今天没有把事实的真相清楚的告诉公庙去欺骗那些公庙他们都是善心团体善心人士以为说今天能够帮助到军人军民但是事实上他们未来会成为非常危险军事攻击的目标我认为内政部你们作为这些宗教团体的主管机关\n\n20\n00:07:00,347 --> 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--> 00:05.342\n最近陸委會一直在鼓勵國人要進行去大陸的登錄系統我們看到去大陸的登錄系統\n\n00:23.115 --> 00:47.710\n陆委会所推动的这个比例你可以看到其实登录的人次非常的少如果说从启动这个系统到现在为止那么大致上我们算出的比例大概就是1.46%也就是出去100个人其实登记的大概顶多是两个人那么现在陆委会又请内政部这里要配合要做有关于宗教\n\n00:49.131 --> 00:56.909\n團體等等這些團體赴大陸的登錄那麼請問內政部對於登錄系統的看法如何\n\n00:58.182 --> 01:22.280\n報告委員當然這個議題不是處理住宅法那我跟委員報告一下就是不管是宗教團體或是其他的團體我們在多次的記者會裡面都有提到這是鼓勵制那跟那個陸委會所公布的附入的登錄人數他是根據那個兩岸人民關係條例必定要一定登記的是不太一樣所以我們用鼓勵的方式\n\n01:22.740 --> 01:25.424\n那同時我們也請我們常務次長跟宗教團體還有這些人民團體做充分的溝通那目前為止願意一起來做登錄的蠻多請問下次到目前為止已經有多少的團體有登錄\n\n01:37.960 --> 01:43.343\n我們這個是滾動式的我還沒有去看那現在呢我們所了解就是說它裡面呢不會出現自然人只會出現團體的名稱所以我們看到就說好像不僅是宗教團體包含社會團體啊這個怎麼其他職業團體人民團體等等其實依照你們現在建議都要登錄嗎\n\n01:57.429 --> 02:15.775\n不是都要我已經講過鼓勵制度他可登錄可不登錄那麼因為本席其實在之前總諮詢的時候我已經也詢問過其實陸委會對於這個登錄他目前為止就算是國人在大陸那裡發生什麼緊急的狀況有意外事故其實目前陸委會還有我們\n\n02:16.915 --> 02:37.807\n台湾这边看起来也没有什么救助的能力那么所以呢就这个部分来讲的话我只是想要提醒内政部就是说如果说你们现在要启动这样的一个系统鼓励这个前往大陆的团体要登陆的话那真正如果发生什么事情的话其实内政部这边也应该要有所准备怎么样能够强化疾难救助的事情\n\n02:38.467 --> 02:43.612\n好那接下來呢我想要再針對就是也是前兩天因為有台中議員有揭露這個國防部又發給有六間宮廟增掉空間存放軍火那雖然說我們的\n\n02:54.523 --> 03:14.382\n這國防部部長有出來澄清說這不是存放軍火是徵求部隊休息的地方但是呢我也必須在這邊要再重申的就是在去年7月份其實當時就已經爆發出有苗栗有多間宮廟有收到軍方的公文要求要簽訂彈藥遇囤點的支援協定書\n\n03:17.585 --> 03:39.075\n那么在那个时候其实本席已经有质询过国防部那么认为说这个事情很严重我不知道内政部作为公庙的宗教团体的主管机关你们晓不晓得一旦宗教团体被要求要存放相关的军药弹火那么对于公庙团体的影响是什么嗯\n\n03:41.349 --> 03:59.685\n報告委員我想國防部已經對外多次澄清那我所了解他們所依據的是權動法那目前為止呢我們並沒有收到特別的這個宗教團體跟這個我們的宗教師提出這樣子的疑慮所以我想很多宗教團體大概就是配合權動法\n\n04:00.486 --> 04:21.956\n好來我們看一下權動法的規定權動法裡面的規定其實非常的清楚只要是人民日常生活基本生活所必須的就是包含常常去中廟裡面去拜拜還有就是涉及到有關於這個相關的這個場所設備基本上是不可以徵購跟徵用的也就是說現在中廟宗教團體這些廟宇寺廟應該是要排除在全民防衛動員法第29條之外那麼\n\n04:30.300 --> 04:57.732\n现在内政部民政司作为公庙团体主管机关应该要了解相关的法规应该要善尽保护公庙的责任可是我看起来就是部长对相关的这个法律的规定并不清楚不晓得说其实公庙不可以拿来作为存放弹药的或者是作为这个什么军队休息的地方\n\n04:58.212 --> 05:18.502\n報告委員我剛已經說過國防部已經多次澄清那有關全民防衛動員準備法的這個法條的內容當然是由國防部來說明或解釋因為他們才是主管機關但是我看到委員所提的這個29條的第5項有一個叫其他經行政院指定公告者\n\n05:19.002 --> 05:39.859\n所以事实上呢这个宗教的这个场合是不是适合作为国军休息的地方我想是有讨论的空间那这一点我会请国防部再跟委员说明清楚因为据本席了解应该是还没有在指定公告的范围里面那我本席要强调的是我们看一下就是其他的这个相关的国际条约里面所要求的\n\n05:40.620 --> 05:59.812\n这个战争法很重要的原则就是居民区分原则啊如果说一旦一个民用物体那么它变成是一个被敌方认为它是一个军事作战地方它会成为军事目标那么未来就会被攻击这是很严重的事情那么内政部民政司应该要把相关的条文规定\n\n06:02.193 --> 06:28.987\n报告委员我们现在并没有战争你要引用国际战争法我没有办法目前就跟你做回答但是战争随时随地都有可能会发生那是你说的以你们现在民进党政府的做法到目前为止在台湾人民的生活都是安和乐利谢谢委员指教如果说这样的话那你们为什么要去动用要去做这些防卫的演习\n\n06:29.947 --> 06:55.524\n事实上我觉得民进党政府就是很不负责任你们今天没有把事实的真相清楚的告诉公庙去欺骗那些公庙他们都是善心团体善心人士以为说今天能够帮助到军人军民但是事实上他们未来会成为非常危险军事攻击的目标我认为内政部你们作为这些宗教团体的主管机关\n\n07:00.347 --> 07:26.591\n去糊弄他们去欺骗他们报告委员我们从来没有糊弄宗教团体宗教团体的人都非常善心而且愿意配合国家的政策请内政部要提供到底现在有多少公庙已经收到来自军方的公文要求要签订这些协议书请你们可以提供给我们报告委员我们真的没有这个资料我们手头上没有这个资料恐怕要请教国防部\n\n07:28.621 --> 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