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00:02:04,201\n好可是根据我们内政部自己不动产资讯平台现在所显示的资料全国的社会住宅完工户数当然还有一些规划的或者在新建中完工户数其实只有三万户只有三万户也就是说不管是之前前朝蔡英文政府或者现在的赖政府你们的\n\n6\n00:02:05,001 --> 00:02:31,855\n直接興建社宅的目標37萬戶裡面真正完工可以提供給民眾來入住的只有3萬戶所以真的我覺得大社宅大謊言所以我們如何去加強加速我們社宅的興建是非常非常重要的另外呢我們講到就是租金補貼的部分來\n\n7\n00:02:33,616 --> 00:02:50,079\n我們其實我們政府當然希望減少大家民眾的租金的負擔提出了這個房屋租金補貼計劃可是可以看到在都會區七大都會區裡面的租金的漲幅\n\n8\n00:02:50,680 --> 00:03:06,455\n事实上远远高于我们的平均薪资的涨幅所以如果你看台北市可能还比较顿化可是新北桃园新竹都在10%以上如果你看新竹县它的涨幅是两成以上\n\n9\n00:03:07,216 --> 00:03:34,491\n所以也就是說民眾的薪資他事實上他的漲幅是沒有辦法跟上真正都會區的房租的漲幅好我在這邊呢我要提醒內政部就是中研院金研所金研所在去年底他發布了一個就是台灣消費者預期與政策反應調查很重要他是跟政策相關的\n\n10\n00:03:36,397 --> 00:03:57,513\n的結果是說受訪房東有24.3%近三年有漲租金的已經漲租金或者準備漲租金所以也就是說在房東裡面將近有四分之一他們都是準備要漲房租的那這個計劃時間暫停一下你們要討論的話應該是事後\n\n11\n00:04:05,475 --> 00:04:08,618\n我知道我現在因為你們這樣你們就沒辦法聽我講我要跟那個跟部長還有我們署長說這個中研院調查非常特殊\n\n12\n00:04:19,491 --> 00:04:42,085\n我们的租金补贴计划也就是政府的租金补贴计划放进去做调查他特别说他特别放进去做调查他来了解一下我们的政策跟实际会不会影响房东要不要涨租金跟实际房租有没有调涨有没有关联性\n\n13\n00:04:43,365 --> 00:05:08,197\n他特别把这个政策放进去做调查而最后出来的结果是这个房东方面我刚刚讲有24.3%他会这三年他会调涨租金其中竟然有19.7的受访者说为什么他要涨租金呢因为他认为政府有补助房租\n\n14\n00:05:09,249 --> 00:05:23,468\n政府有補助房租所以我覺得今天會出現一個困境那個困境是什麼呢政府去補助房租是因為要減輕我們民眾租房子的負擔對不對這應該是一個德政\n\n15\n00:05:26,152 --> 00:05:50,615\n可是没有想到到了市场竟然变成房东认为说他一定先问你你有没有接受政府的补助啊他说我可以你会不会去申请啊我会去申请他因此反而把这个部分调涨租金了他反而反映在我刚才讲市场所呈现的租金反而调涨\n\n16\n00:05:52,036 --> 00:05:57,259\n租金反而調漲那可能這邊大概19.7%我們說20%好了他可能這20%還帶動了其他我隔壁漲那我們房東一樣賣房子租房都一定是這樣嘛我一定會調查一下我旁邊的房子賣多少錢租多少錢可能因為這個理由反而帶動了租金上漲也就是說我原來是得證結果沒想到\n\n17\n00:06:18,649 --> 00:06:46,971\n它竟然成為推升租金上漲的一個原因了所以我覺得這部分要特別注意到因為我想中研院經驗所他們也不是阿里布達的什麼單位而且他特別去把這個項目把它放進調查他也希望知道我們的政府政策有沒有反而到了市場反而變成一個反效果\n\n18\n00:06:47,671 --> 00:07:14,813\n所以我覺得這點是我們可能要特別去理解特別注意的我沒有說我們提供房屋租金不好我們也希望能夠去解決民眾的負擔但是如果他反而變成一些我也不能說是貪心的房東啦很多這個房東他都會他能收多他就要盡量收多嘛居州反而他認為說我要租張旗開來跟我租房子張旗開\n\n19\n00:07:15,954 --> 00:07:30,516\n你有沒有符合規定他說有那你要不要去生意反正那些錢是政府幫你出的嘛我就把租金提高一些說反正不是你付的所以我覺得要特別小心這樣的效應好不好\n\n20\n00:07:31,798 --> 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