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00:03:32,665\n那為什麼我們沒有去爭取這樣子的一個美豬來到台灣而是一定要有來寄的美豬我想林維州委員發文去詢問啦但是這一個部分並沒有得到他要的回答所以我想問一下部長您今天到底知不知道這個NFBAP所參與的這58家的美豬有多少賣到台灣\n\n10\n00:03:38,535 --> 00:03:50,579\n我想我先補充一下啦,這個可能要查一下因為畢竟我們在上一屆你那個周委員也是同事啦我們共同對這個問題也做了相當多的討論雖然這是進口的問題,但是我看豬肉的查核報告是你們出國的\n\n11\n00:03:57,822 --> 00:04:21,857\n不是其他單位出國怎麼你們完全不知道你已經眼睜睜的看著你的計劃報告裡面查到了NFBAP所有的有將近58家畜牧場是沒有用乙型受體素為什麼我們不去爭取這一部分來到台灣而不是來寄的這些萊豬呢到底沒賣到台灣那美國的NFBAP計劃的美豬賣去哪裡\n\n12\n00:04:23,499 --> 00:04:45,480\n報告委員其實美國進來的大部分現在其實是沒有收入金的也就是沒有PAP的部分我們有抽樣調查所以基本上是未檢出嘛對不對但是未檢出來氣但我希望是已經有這樣子的一個計畫它是基本上一定是零檢出因為它是從未餵食已行受提出\n\n13\n00:04:45,860 --> 00:04:57,918\n是更加能夠保障我國國人的一個健康的話那為什麼不跟他談論說這58家你賣給我們呢再來部長我再問一下NFBAP這一批美豬您知道賣到哪裡嗎\n\n14\n00:05:02,816 --> 00:05:26,730\n署長可以解救那這邊特別提到的上面是對消亡中國的市場部長我的答案都給你了你怎麼都沒辦法回答呢我想這件事情很嚴重我們這個PT5這個裡面報告寫得很清楚抽樣結果如未檢出則符合NFBAP可受亡中國\n\n15\n00:05:27,791 --> 00:05:42,513\n那如果檢出了最低最高低於最高容許量則販售非中國市場如檢出且高於最高容許量則將不與販售並停止停止檢體\n\n16\n00:05:44,235 --> 00:06:06,696\n這個株枝農場的一個供貨不管政策的對或錯符不符合科學的論證政務官都要為現在既定的一個政策做出辯論這無可厚非但是我還是不禁想問美豬竟然還有分成有跟沒有乙型受理樹那為什麼美國要為美國要台灣多吃有萊劑可能性高的一個美豬\n\n17\n00:06:07,216 --> 00:06:35,935\n而不是吃從未餵食已行受體數的這個計畫NFBAP的美豬給台灣針對美國貿易代表署剛剛許多的委員都在說了美豬加標示是所謂的貿易障礙部長您或許會說我們靠抽樣檢查不論是足批檢查或者是加強抽樣的一個檢查來把關但是美豬並未驗出萊克多巴胺並不代表沒有含萊劑\n\n18\n00:06:38,021 --> 00:06:39,893\n我不知道趙薇站起來速度這麼快\n\n19\n00:06:41,277 --> 00:07:07,992\n但是我要講的是說今天萊豬有可能還有瘦肉精但是抽樣檢驗是未驗出不代表是零檢出啊依據藥物食品安全週報第509期啊所談論的檢驗非萬能啊鋸買不良的產品我們還是希望針對美牛美豬的標示問題不是貿易障礙剛剛有許多委員在提我要講慎重的跟您報告衛福部部長邱太元部長\n\n20\n00:07:08,792 --> 00:07:34,567\n所有的在野黨做你的後盾所有在野黨做你的黑臉去跟美國對談的時候就告訴他我知道你有作為一個政務官為難的地方但我們在野黨作為全國人民我們當最大的黑臉讓我們來當這個黑臉告訴美國我們希望我們的國人是健康的你要去運用在野黨的反對\n\n21\n00:07:35,868 --> 00:07:57,985\n我們希望在這一個全國國人都希望我們團結的情況之下一起面對這樣子的一個狀況部長今天我雖然非常非常的憤慨但是我們是要作為衛福部的後盾守護國人的健康你可以認同嗎好我想我不但認同而且我也跟委員報告我想政府跟衛福部也是以\n\n22\n00:07:59,688 --> 00:08:20,207\n維護全民健康維護食安為最重要的一個工作最後30秒我想昨天經濟日報有一個相關的說法說世界正在重新認識美國和中國其中有提到美國農業部長被記者問到如果中國反制美國的相關農業的時候\n\n23\n00:08:22,369 --> 00:08:47,984\n美國農民該怎麼辦說美國的豬肉不賣中國可以賣到東南亞美國的農業部部長霸氣的回應美國的NFBAP的豬肉可以不賣去中國部長在美豬政策已經回不到原來的現在可不可以要求NFBAP的美豬賣給台灣萊豬萊牛吃那麼久也沒有看到我們能夠加入CPTPP印太經濟的架構我們還是希望會後你提供幾個\n\n24\n00:08:49,425 --> 00:09:08,553\n計畫給我們我們相關的資料在美國到底有多少這樣子參與NFBAP的一個計畫佔總體的比例還有相關的設施從113年到114年蘇台的美國豬肉生產設施共有幾家進口的總數量有幾家上開蘇台的美國豬肉生產的設施\n\n25\n00:09:09,153 --> 00:09:36,128\n參與這個NFBAP到底計畫加速又有幾家我們都希望能夠了解你們在食藥署總體在這個期間加強邊境的茶宴還有市場的稽查計畫如何這些資料我希望會後能夠提供可以嗎謝謝委員我們這個部分我們積極的其實已經有一部分資料我們盡快的做彙整謝謝好今天大家都非常踴躍都很關心這個議題部長加油好不好一起為國人健康好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n800\t28220\t好 謝謝召委 有請部長好 部長我們來看一下PTT那這一份的報告2023年6月完成的美國豬肉查核報告那出國的期間是2022年9月12到9月20齁其內容所引述的這些相關事實準確性可以參考這個可供參考引用性的如何\n29375\t55348\t還沒好還沒好 沒關係沒關係時間是不是暫停一下出國的時間是不是9月12到9月20那這份報告您覺得引用性參考性依據OK嗎您知道這份報告嗎2022的嗎沒關係署長可以救你署長請說\n57670\t83000\t報告委員這邊美國豬肉的茶盒的部分我們其實是例行性對於任何進口國家的進口的廠所以是例行性的報告例行性去的時候其實同時我們會跟農業部房檢署的同仁以及專家代表我們一起我知道我知道來我們看一下這份報告第五頁裡面有提及我們英文說寫NFBAP這個制度請問一下這個制度是什麼\n88018\t92141\tNFBAT從未為時已行受體數計畫部長你有掌握嗎還是部長都不知道\n108595\t108995\t這個可能跟\n136238\t150785\t這一個計畫就是告訴我們全國人民美國養的豬不會全部都是萊豬有58家的畜牧場的美豬是從未餵食以行受體數\n152486\t169686\t部長您到底知不知道這個部分可以我做一點點署長請說好那就針對NFBAP的部分餵食的部分有58家這件事情從未餵食從未餵食的這件事情是屬於自願性的一個標示我知道\n170327\t186824\t他這個是不是一個強制性的那以上簡短說明好 謝謝你的分享那我想部長今天你才知道這個計畫嗎看起來是今天才知道 我跟你提醒的但我要講的是如果他有從未為時已行受體恕的這樣子的一個美珠\n188225\t212665\t那為什麼我們沒有去爭取這樣子的一個美豬來到台灣而是一定要有來寄的美豬我想林維州委員發文去詢問啦但是這一個部分並沒有得到他要的回答所以我想問一下部長您今天到底知不知道這個NFBAP所參與的這58家的美豬有多少賣到台灣\n218535\t230579\t我想我先補充一下啦,這個可能要查一下因為畢竟我們在上一屆你那個周委員也是同事啦我們共同對這個問題也做了相當多的討論雖然這是進口的問題,但是我看豬肉的查核報告是你們出國的\n237822\t261857\t不是其他單位出國怎麼你們完全不知道你已經眼睜睜的看著你的計劃報告裡面查到了NFBAP所有的有將近58家畜牧場是沒有用乙型受體素為什麼我們不去爭取這一部分來到台灣而不是來寄的這些萊豬呢到底沒賣到台灣那美國的NFBAP計劃的美豬賣去哪裡\n263499\t285480\t報告委員其實美國進來的大部分現在其實是沒有收入金的也就是沒有PAP的部分我們有抽樣調查所以基本上是未檢出嘛對不對但是未檢出來氣但我希望是已經有這樣子的一個計畫它是基本上一定是零檢出因為它是從未餵食已行受提出\n285860\t297918\t是更加能夠保障我國國人的一個健康的話那為什麼不跟他談論說這58家你賣給我們呢再來部長我再問一下NFBAP這一批美豬您知道賣到哪裡嗎\n302816\t326730\t署長可以解救那這邊特別提到的上面是對消亡中國的市場部長我的答案都給你了你怎麼都沒辦法回答呢我想這件事情很嚴重我們這個PT5這個裡面報告寫得很清楚抽樣結果如未檢出則符合NFBAP可受亡中國\n327791\t342513\t那如果檢出了最低最高低於最高容許量則販售非中國市場如檢出且高於最高容許量則將不與販售並停止停止檢體\n344235\t366696\t這個株枝農場的一個供貨不管政策的對或錯符不符合科學的論證政務官都要為現在既定的一個政策做出辯論這無可厚非但是我還是不禁想問美豬竟然還有分成有跟沒有乙型受理樹那為什麼美國要為美國要台灣多吃有萊劑可能性高的一個美豬\n367216\t395935\t而不是吃從未餵食已行受體數的這個計畫NFBAP的美豬給台灣針對美國貿易代表署剛剛許多的委員都在說了美豬加標示是所謂的貿易障礙部長您或許會說我們靠抽樣檢查不論是足批檢查或者是加強抽樣的一個檢查來把關但是美豬並未驗出萊克多巴胺並不代表沒有含萊劑\n398021\t399893\t我不知道趙薇站起來速度這麼快\n401277\t427992\t但是我要講的是說今天萊豬有可能還有瘦肉精但是抽樣檢驗是未驗出不代表是零檢出啊依據藥物食品安全週報第509期啊所談論的檢驗非萬能啊鋸買不良的產品我們還是希望針對美牛美豬的標示問題不是貿易障礙剛剛有許多委員在提我要講慎重的跟您報告衛福部部長邱太元部長\n428792\t454567\t所有的在野黨做你的後盾所有在野黨做你的黑臉去跟美國對談的時候就告訴他我知道你有作為一個政務官為難的地方但我們在野黨作為全國人民我們當最大的黑臉讓我們來當這個黑臉告訴美國我們希望我們的國人是健康的你要去運用在野黨的反對\n455868\t477985\t我們希望在這一個全國國人都希望我們團結的情況之下一起面對這樣子的一個狀況部長今天我雖然非常非常的憤慨但是我們是要作為衛福部的後盾守護國人的健康你可以認同嗎好我想我不但認同而且我也跟委員報告我想政府跟衛福部也是以\n479688\t500207\t維護全民健康維護食安為最重要的一個工作最後30秒我想昨天經濟日報有一個相關的說法說世界正在重新認識美國和中國其中有提到美國農業部長被記者問到如果中國反制美國的相關農業的時候\n502369\t527984\t美國農民該怎麼辦說美國的豬肉不賣中國可以賣到東南亞美國的農業部部長霸氣的回應美國的NFBAP的豬肉可以不賣去中國部長在美豬政策已經回不到原來的現在可不可以要求NFBAP的美豬賣給台灣萊豬萊牛吃那麼久也沒有看到我們能夠加入CPTPP印太經濟的架構我們還是希望會後你提供幾個\n529425\t548553\t計畫給我們我們相關的資料在美國到底有多少這樣子參與NFBAP的一個計畫佔總體的比例還有相關的設施從113年到114年蘇台的美國豬肉生產設施共有幾家進口的總數量有幾家上開蘇台的美國豬肉生產的設施\n549153\t576128\t參與這個NFBAP到底計畫加速又有幾家我們都希望能夠了解你們在食藥署總體在這個期間加強邊境的茶宴還有市場的稽查計畫如何這些資料我希望會後能夠提供可以嗎謝謝委員我們這個部分我們積極的其實已經有一部分資料我們盡快的做彙整謝謝好今天大家都非常踴躍都很關心這個議題部長加油好不好一起為國人健康好謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝召委 有請部長好 部長我們來看一下PTT那這一份的報告2023年6月完成的美國豬肉查核報告那出國的期間是2022年9月12到9月20齁其內容所引述的這些相關事實準確性可以參考這個可供參考引用性的如何\n還沒好還沒好 沒關係沒關係時間是不是暫停一下出國的時間是不是9月12到9月20那這份報告您覺得引用性參考性依據OK嗎您知道這份報告嗎2022的嗎沒關係署長可以救你署長請說\n報告委員這邊美國豬肉的茶盒的部分我們其實是例行性對於任何進口國家的進口的廠所以是例行性的報告例行性去的時候其實同時我們會跟農業部房檢署的同仁以及專家代表我們一起我知道我知道來我們看一下這份報告第五頁裡面有提及我們英文說寫NFBAP這個制度請問一下這個制度是什麼\nNFBAT從未為時已行受體數計畫部長你有掌握嗎還是部長都不知道\n這個可能跟\n這一個計畫就是告訴我們全國人民美國養的豬不會全部都是萊豬有58家的畜牧場的美豬是從未餵食以行受體數\n部長您到底知不知道這個部分可以我做一點點署長請說好那就針對NFBAP的部分餵食的部分有58家這件事情從未餵食從未餵食的這件事情是屬於自願性的一個標示我知道\n他這個是不是一個強制性的那以上簡短說明好 謝謝你的分享那我想部長今天你才知道這個計畫嗎看起來是今天才知道 我跟你提醒的但我要講的是如果他有從未為時已行受體恕的這樣子的一個美珠\n那為什麼我們沒有去爭取這樣子的一個美豬來到台灣而是一定要有來寄的美豬我想林維州委員發文去詢問啦但是這一個部分並沒有得到他要的回答所以我想問一下部長您今天到底知不知道這個NFBAP所參與的這58家的美豬有多少賣到台灣\n我想我先補充一下啦,這個可能要查一下因為畢竟我們在上一屆你那個周委員也是同事啦我們共同對這個問題也做了相當多的討論雖然這是進口的問題,但是我看豬肉的查核報告是你們出國的\n不是其他單位出國怎麼你們完全不知道你已經眼睜睜的看著你的計劃報告裡面查到了NFBAP所有的有將近58家畜牧場是沒有用乙型受體素為什麼我們不去爭取這一部分來到台灣而不是來寄的這些萊豬呢到底沒賣到台灣那美國的NFBAP計劃的美豬賣去哪裡\n報告委員其實美國進來的大部分現在其實是沒有收入金的也就是沒有PAP的部分我們有抽樣調查所以基本上是未檢出嘛對不對但是未檢出來氣但我希望是已經有這樣子的一個計畫它是基本上一定是零檢出因為它是從未餵食已行受提出\n是更加能夠保障我國國人的一個健康的話那為什麼不跟他談論說這58家你賣給我們呢再來部長我再問一下NFBAP這一批美豬您知道賣到哪裡嗎\n署長可以解救那這邊特別提到的上面是對消亡中國的市場部長我的答案都給你了你怎麼都沒辦法回答呢我想這件事情很嚴重我們這個PT5這個裡面報告寫得很清楚抽樣結果如未檢出則符合NFBAP可受亡中國\n那如果檢出了最低最高低於最高容許量則販售非中國市場如檢出且高於最高容許量則將不與販售並停止停止檢體\n這個株枝農場的一個供貨不管政策的對或錯符不符合科學的論證政務官都要為現在既定的一個政策做出辯論這無可厚非但是我還是不禁想問美豬竟然還有分成有跟沒有乙型受理樹那為什麼美國要為美國要台灣多吃有萊劑可能性高的一個美豬\n而不是吃從未餵食已行受體數的這個計畫NFBAP的美豬給台灣針對美國貿易代表署剛剛許多的委員都在說了美豬加標示是所謂的貿易障礙部長您或許會說我們靠抽樣檢查不論是足批檢查或者是加強抽樣的一個檢查來把關但是美豬並未驗出萊克多巴胺並不代表沒有含萊劑\n我不知道趙薇站起來速度這麼快\n但是我要講的是說今天萊豬有可能還有瘦肉精但是抽樣檢驗是未驗出不代表是零檢出啊依據藥物食品安全週報第509期啊所談論的檢驗非萬能啊鋸買不良的產品我們還是希望針對美牛美豬的標示問題不是貿易障礙剛剛有許多委員在提我要講慎重的跟您報告衛福部部長邱太元部長\n所有的在野黨做你的後盾所有在野黨做你的黑臉去跟美國對談的時候就告訴他我知道你有作為一個政務官為難的地方但我們在野黨作為全國人民我們當最大的黑臉讓我們來當這個黑臉告訴美國我們希望我們的國人是健康的你要去運用在野黨的反對\n我們希望在這一個全國國人都希望我們團結的情況之下一起面對這樣子的一個狀況部長今天我雖然非常非常的憤慨但是我們是要作為衛福部的後盾守護國人的健康你可以認同嗎好我想我不但認同而且我也跟委員報告我想政府跟衛福部也是以\n維護全民健康維護食安為最重要的一個工作最後30秒我想昨天經濟日報有一個相關的說法說世界正在重新認識美國和中國其中有提到美國農業部長被記者問到如果中國反制美國的相關農業的時候\n美國農民該怎麼辦說美國的豬肉不賣中國可以賣到東南亞美國的農業部部長霸氣的回應美國的NFBAP的豬肉可以不賣去中國部長在美豬政策已經回不到原來的現在可不可以要求NFBAP的美豬賣給台灣萊豬萊牛吃那麼久也沒有看到我們能夠加入CPTPP印太經濟的架構我們還是希望會後你提供幾個\n計畫給我們我們相關的資料在美國到底有多少這樣子參與NFBAP的一個計畫佔總體的比例還有相關的設施從113年到114年蘇台的美國豬肉生產設施共有幾家進口的總數量有幾家上開蘇台的美國豬肉生產的設施\n參與這個NFBAP到底計畫加速又有幾家我們都希望能夠了解你們在食藥署總體在這個期間加強邊境的茶宴還有市場的稽查計畫如何這些資料我希望會後能夠提供可以嗎謝謝委員我們這個部分我們積極的其實已經有一部分資料我們盡快的做彙整謝謝好今天大家都非常踴躍都很關心這個議題部長加油好不好一起為國人健康好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.800 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