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00:04:07,657\n它的防炸動態警報它的普及率跟使用度是比較高的那有沒有考量目前LINE的使用戶也有2200萬左右嘛那有沒有考慮就是說要加強宣導呢LINE跟我們也有合作在這個防爆上面加上就是我們有這樣的互通的一個機制那這個LINE的通報數平均是多少\n\n12\n00:04:08,377 --> 00:04:31,813\nNINE的通報數這個數目我想這個資料我們還要再去還要再再請書發部提供相關的資料那也希望書發部可以積極的研議那針對一下回報詐騙的資訊率準確比較高的民眾或是他非常積極的去反映詐騙那是不是可以提供具體的獎勵呢這個也在研議嘛OK好那接下來我們\n\n13\n00:04:32,984 --> 00:04:51,470\n部長我們看EID我們回歸我們回顧EID的歷程那他從2013年開始研發最近已經超過10年了那他的預算也高達46億那原本要在2020年10月份的時候推出可是當時外界對於治安的風險還有疑慮嘛最後在2021年的時候他宣布全面\n\n14\n00:04:52,310 --> 00:05:14,952\n停止推行那後來也因為違約的關係他賠償了廠商2.8億那舊本席小姐部長您擁有美國Maryland大學的科訓資訊科學碩博士的學位那這邊要請教部長為什麼當時您的專業判斷EID沒有辦法推行呢我想EID有幾個一個當然就是說因為它是一個實體卡片\n\n15\n00:05:15,532 --> 00:05:32,342\n而且是強迫要取代所有的目前的身份證那你沒有選擇要用破不用那這個卡片的資安就變得很重要那當然一個是這個卡片的資安大家對它還是有疑慮因為那個晶片本身的資安因為有疑慮所以我想是由\n\n16\n00:05:32,662 --> 00:05:56,935\n今天它有分成四大區塊嘛因為它有分成就是戶籍地區、公開區、加密區還有自然人憑證區那本席要問今年速發部3月10號數位憑證皮夾它也是將自然人憑證健保卡還有駕照等重要的文件整合存放那民眾只需要一支手機它就可以進行身份驗證那它跟EID的最主要的那個報告文完全不一樣因為那個憑證皮夾是一個容器\n\n17\n00:05:57,395 --> 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我想這個資料我們還要再去還要再 再請書發部提供相關的資料那也希望書發部可以積極的研議那針對一下回報詐騙的資訊率準確比較高的民眾或是他非常積極的去反映詐騙那是不是可以提供具體的獎勵呢這個也在研議嘛OK 好 那接下來我們\n272984\t291470\t部長我們看EID我們回歸我們回顧EID的歷程那他從2013年開始研發最近已經超過10年了那他的預算也高達46億那原本要在2020年10月份的時候推出可是當時外界對於治安的風險還有疑慮嘛最後在2021年的時候他宣布全面\n292310\t314952\t停止推行那後來也因為違約的關係他賠償了廠商2.8億那舊本席小姐部長您擁有美國Maryland大學的科訓資訊科學碩博士的學位那這邊要請教部長為什麼當時您的專業判斷EID沒有辦法推行呢我想EID有幾個一個當然就是說因為它是一個實體卡片\n315532\t332342\t而且是強迫要取代所有的目前的身份證那你沒有選擇要用破不用那這個卡片的資安就變得很重要那當然一個是這個卡片的資安大家對它還是有疑慮因為那個晶片本身的資安因為有疑慮所以我想是由\n332662\t356935\t今天它有分成四大區塊嘛因為它有分成就是戶籍地區、公開區、加密區還有自然人憑證區那本席要問今年速發部3月10號數位憑證皮夾它也是將自然人憑證健保卡還有駕照等重要的文件整合存放那民眾只需要一支手機它就可以進行身份驗證那它跟EID的最主要的那個報告文完全不一樣因為那個憑證皮夾是一個容器\n357395\t373631\t是 它是一個載具嘛對 那我們不會發行新的憑證也就是拿既有憑證而且你可以選擇性要放一本就是說自然的憑證不是強迫你一定要放上去如果覺得有需要才放所以它是一個container它不是一個新的證件所以它沒有打算取代身分證\n374232\t399699\t所以從3月10號當時推出到現在一個月現在民眾的現在是這樣我們是開放沙盒讓不同的產業來使用這裡面包括各個業者產業跟政府業者目前有1300個申請案就是說他們可以把他們已經有的憑證放在我們這個容器裡面這個容器的好處是說你不用重新開發新的APP如果你只是要把certificate放上來\n400399\t414551\t已經有東西可以放這個確實對很多公司跟政府單位是一個幫助請教部長說目前的經費來源是還有他整體的建置還有開發費用大概大約是多少目前是因為經費有被砍\n419936\t436130\t那這個經費來源是從公共基礎建設的經費向下去增印那今年的經費額度約大概是在1億元左右的幅度是OK 好 謝謝您的說明那部長 目前你剛剛提到有1300戶是企業用戶嗎\n439416\t453866\t所以跟委員說明一下1300包含了個人那也包含了廠商那也包含了支付業者都位置在1300萬喔所以預計今年年底12月他可以順利的\n454386\t473396\t我們就是期待在整個目前是在測試階段是那我們希望在測試階段的各界能夠積極回應我們一些相關的改善建議那我們期待能夠在12月會有第一版的公開測試版讓大家能夠去使用OK好也務必要確認就是各自的安全好謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席請速發部黃部長請部長我們先來看到法務部的資料\n那我們看到114年 我們先看114年1月到3月那全國各地檢署他們所提出一共新增的4萬4千761件的電信網路詐騙雖然這個是電信網路詐騙的部分嘛可是僅僅3個月那詐騙的案件數據已經超過108年的3萬4千947件那以全年來看 雖然跟113年比起來112年它有下降嘛\n那可是還是有167,932件那單日最高的詐騙金額高達5億元那顯示詐騙仍然是非常的長久那手段也是不斷的翻新對此本席要就打詐的議題就叫部長部長我們先來看到\n好下一個投影片那民國八十一年的時候環保署他有推出保特瓶回收的政策嘛當時公告每回收一支保特瓶可兌換兩元的押品費那到了八十六年呢環保署將回收的金額從兩塊錢調到一塊錢那同年他又將押品費改為回收獎勵金那接著在八十九年的時候回收獎勵金他進一步降到每支0.5元\n最後在民國91年他全面取消了獎勵的制度那我們也看到財政部那民國71年的時候他有制定統一發票給獎的辦法那初期是每個月開獎後來隨著制度的演進每兩個月開獎一次那到了102年為了配合電子發票的政策推動財政部他有增設了雲端發票專屬的獎勵鼓勵民眾使用電子發票那部長本席會舉這兩個例子\n他這兩項政策的推動您認為當時政府為什麼會推這兩項政策他的思維跟目的是什麼應該就是鼓勵大家用電子發票就是以發票這個來講或是回收鼓勵回收這樣是因為政策的推動往往需要就是以獎勵的方式來鼓勵民眾使用那為了有效打炸速發部也有開發了一個網炸通報查詢的APP那這個APP在去年的9月30號現在4月7號我們又上架了\n4月7號的時候又上架了那目前的下載次數大約是多少15000多15000多個民眾下載15000多個民眾下載然後目前有大概舉報的詐騙訊息從去年到現在大概15萬多然後你們有7萬多是詐騙訊息我們都要求這些廣告平台上下架大概已經下架7萬多所以平均每一個月下架1萬多的詐騙廣告\n平均每個月下架一萬多的詐騙廣告因為本行看到他目前在安卓的平台上面他的下載次數是五千多次所以在iOS系統上面要重新更新這個因為軟體是重新上架所以如果以前有安裝過要重新更新\n另外有看到速發部,這個是LINE的部分,速發部跟通訊軟體LINE合作,你們合作推出了防炸的動態警報請問部長這個防炸的動態警報,它功能是什麼時候上線的?防炸動態警報,去年的上半年正式上線嗎?去年上半年,那目前有多少民眾加入使用?\n我算百應該是百萬以上吧不好意思這個數字百萬以上那本席這邊看到他目前的好友數是137萬7千多民眾那跟這個網站的通報APP相比那這個LINE的防炸\n它的防炸動態警報它的普及率跟使用度是比較高的那有沒有考量目前LINE的使用戶也有2200萬左右嘛那有沒有考慮就是說要加強宣導呢LINE跟我們也有合作在這個防爆上面加上就是我們有這樣的互通的一個機制那這個LINE的通報數平均是多少\nNINE的通報數這個數目 我想這個資料我們還要再去還要再 再請書發部提供相關的資料那也希望書發部可以積極的研議那針對一下回報詐騙的資訊率準確比較高的民眾或是他非常積極的去反映詐騙那是不是可以提供具體的獎勵呢這個也在研議嘛OK 好 那接下來我們\n部長我們看EID我們回歸我們回顧EID的歷程那他從2013年開始研發最近已經超過10年了那他的預算也高達46億那原本要在2020年10月份的時候推出可是當時外界對於治安的風險還有疑慮嘛最後在2021年的時候他宣布全面\n停止推行那後來也因為違約的關係他賠償了廠商2.8億那舊本席小姐部長您擁有美國Maryland大學的科訓資訊科學碩博士的學位那這邊要請教部長為什麼當時您的專業判斷EID沒有辦法推行呢我想EID有幾個一個當然就是說因為它是一個實體卡片\n而且是強迫要取代所有的目前的身份證那你沒有選擇要用破不用那這個卡片的資安就變得很重要那當然一個是這個卡片的資安大家對它還是有疑慮因為那個晶片本身的資安因為有疑慮所以我想是由\n今天它有分成四大區塊嘛因為它有分成就是戶籍地區、公開區、加密區還有自然人憑證區那本席要問今年速發部3月10號數位憑證皮夾它也是將自然人憑證健保卡還有駕照等重要的文件整合存放那民眾只需要一支手機它就可以進行身份驗證那它跟EID的最主要的那個報告文完全不一樣因為那個憑證皮夾是一個容器\n是 它是一個載具嘛對 那我們不會發行新的憑證也就是拿既有憑證而且你可以選擇性要放一本就是說自然的憑證不是強迫你一定要放上去如果覺得有需要才放所以它是一個container它不是一個新的證件所以它沒有打算取代身分證\n所以從3月10號當時推出到現在一個月現在民眾的現在是這樣我們是開放沙盒讓不同的產業來使用這裡面包括各個業者產業跟政府業者目前有1300個申請案就是說他們可以把他們已經有的憑證放在我們這個容器裡面這個容器的好處是說你不用重新開發新的APP如果你只是要把certificate放上來\n已經有東西可以放這個確實對很多公司跟政府單位是一個幫助請教部長說目前的經費來源是還有他整體的建置還有開發費用大概大約是多少目前是因為經費有被砍\n那這個經費來源是從公共基礎建設的經費向下去增印那今年的經費額度約大概是在1億元左右的幅度是OK 好 謝謝您的說明那部長 目前你剛剛提到有1300戶是企業用戶嗎\n所以跟委員說明一下1300包含了個人那也包含了廠商那也包含了支付業者都位置在1300萬喔所以預計今年年底12月他可以順利的\n我們就是期待在整個目前是在測試階段是那我們希望在測試階段的各界能夠積極回應我們一些相關的改善建議那我們期待能夠在12月會有第一版的公開測試版讓大家能夠去使用OK好也務必要確認就是各自的安全好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.958 --> 00:09.822\n謝謝主席主席請速發部黃部長請部長我們先來看到法務部的資料\n\n00:13.769 --> 00:25.754\n那我們看到114年我們先看114年1月到3月那全國各地檢署他們所提出一共新增的4萬4千761件的電信網路詐騙雖然這個是電信網路詐騙的部分嘛可是僅僅3個月那詐騙的案件數據已經超過108年的3萬4千947件那以全年來看雖然跟113年比起來112年它有下降嘛\n\n00:41.261 --> 00:59.527\n那可是還是有167,932件那單日最高的詐騙金額高達5億元那顯示詐騙仍然是非常的長久那手段也是不斷的翻新對此本席要就打詐的議題就叫部長部長我們先來看到\n\n01:00.629 --> 01:23.689\n好下一個投影片那民國八十一年的時候環保署他有推出保特瓶回收的政策嘛當時公告每回收一支保特瓶可兌換兩元的押品費那到了八十六年呢環保署將回收的金額從兩塊錢調到一塊錢那同年他又將押品費改為回收獎勵金那接著在八十九年的時候回收獎勵金他進一步降到每支0.5元\n\n01:24.750 --> 01:51.791\n最後在民國91年他全面取消了獎勵的制度那我們也看到財政部那民國71年的時候他有制定統一發票給獎的辦法那初期是每個月開獎後來隨著制度的演進每兩個月開獎一次那到了102年為了配合電子發票的政策推動財政部他有增設了雲端發票專屬的獎勵鼓勵民眾使用電子發票那部長本席會舉這兩個例子\n\n01:53.891 --> 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