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00:01:52,812\n當然這裡會因為關鍵基礎建設有很多是跨部就屬於不同部會所以我們會跟部會之間有一些合作比如說有水電是在經濟部然後醫院在衛福部這些我們都會一起來做這些治安的合作跟防護這樣\n\n7\n00:01:53,792 --> 00:02:10,942\n是那就是基礎關鍵設施的一個防護然後很重要那當然就是有關這個資安的一個維護計畫也是非常的重要所以我們看到資安法裡面就是第12條有提到就是公務機關每年要向上級或監督機關\n\n8\n00:02:12,123 --> 00:02:29,339\n提出這個資通安全維護計畫的實施情形那無上級機關者這個治安安全維護計畫實施情形應該送主管機關那照這個條文看起來好像都不是送我們速發部的治安署\n\n9\n00:02:32,856 --> 00:02:57,244\n通報會到我們自安署嗎跟委員報告的確是通報都會到我們署裡面來因為我們有一個通報的系統所以只要有發生自然事件只要一個小時內他就要再通報到我們的系統裡面來掌握相關的一個事件這個是受到攻擊的時候的一個通報嗎平常的這個自然維護計劃呢\n\n10\n00:02:58,991 --> 00:03:10,306\n是那跟委員報告就是委員會計劃各單位只要在每年訂定然後他呈這個呈他的主管核定之後就可以但是那個這個計劃的實施情形他要報到這個書畫部這邊來\n\n11\n00:03:14,091 --> 00:03:36,693\n實施情形要報了,所以我們抒發部、資安署可以確實掌握嗎?掌握各機關的實施情形嗎?是的,因為他們有一個系統,他們透過系統裡面來填報他們的整個計畫實施情形那我們就可以根據他的這個實施情形之後做一些相關的一些分析等等的做一些相關的一些報告\n\n12\n00:03:37,768 --> 00:03:57,243\n是那就是不曉得說這個部分到底有沒有確實的落實我想這個部分應該我們資安署要積極的去了解這個部分我們在要求機關在第一年的大概三月底前要填報前一年度的這個維護計畫的這個時間情形\n\n13\n00:04:00,141 --> 00:04:09,126\n對好那這個資安的維護非常重要那剛剛我們有提到這個基礎關鍵設施所以對這個通訊就是有關這個通訊的部分關鍵基礎設施我們抒發部就是如果說面對這個天災風災或者是地震發生的這個基礎設施就是\n\n14\n00:04:25,035 --> 00:04:33,703\n就是斷訊的時候就是有關基地台如果說毀損的時候我們速發部有什麼方法可以來支援這個通訊\n\n15\n00:04:34,363 --> 00:04:56,073\n通訊的韌性是非常重要那我們刷布在這邊就是我們就是就是多元益子的網路通訊包括海陸空所以就是說從這個地面的fiber到所謂的4G5G到微波到天上的衛星低軌中軌高軌都有在佈建\n\n16\n00:04:57,113 --> 00:05:22,694\n所以希望能夠在不管什麼天災人禍都希望通訊能夠通能夠暢通這是我們的書畫部的一個很重要的目標是啊是目標啦那當然就是說如果遇到的時候我們可以怎麼做啦那我有看到本席有看到就是說在0403的花蓮地震的時候我們確實是有發揮這樣子的一個功能就是\n\n17\n00:05:23,154 --> 00:05:52,229\n利用這個低軌衛星投入這個救災我想這個是值得肯定的就是我們也是透過跟空勤的這個直升機的合作把這個就是通訊的這個低軌衛星設備投到天翔那邊去然後可以來協助這個救災這個是非常重要的因為在完全斷訊的情況下不管是居民要對外聯絡求救或者是說我們政府機關要救災這個通訊真的是\n\n18\n00:05:52,709 --> 00:06:06,649\n不可或缺的所以這是非常重要那本席也有注意到就是說除了低軌衛星之外還有一個設備就是高空通訊平台那這部分我不曉得說我們速發部目前進展的這個狀況如何\n\n19\n00:06:08,796 --> 00:06:29,585\n這個高空通訊平台我們去年有做了一個系統就是用高空的氣球來把通訊設備來做通訊那個實驗是成功的那今年本來是要有無人機做這件事情但是因為預算被砍所以我們今年這個計畫是暫停不過我們希望未來能夠再重新啟動\n\n20\n00:06:30,410 --> 00:06:43,082\n我本期注意到的是剛剛部長說是成功的可是我看媒體報導是我們那次升空是失敗的那是因為那天有颱風風力太大我們先測試成功記者會那天沒辦法\n\n21\n00:06:47,847 --> 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情緒分享所以從這方面我們是對關鍵基礎建設來做一些治安的強化\n97866\t112812\t當然這裡會因為關鍵基礎建設有很多是跨部就屬於不同部會所以我們會跟部會之間有一些合作比如說有水電是在經濟部然後醫院在衛福部這些我們都會一起來做這些治安的合作跟防護這樣\n113792\t130942\t是那就是基礎關鍵設施的一個防護然後很重要那當然就是有關這個資安的一個維護計畫也是非常的重要所以我們看到資安法裡面就是第12條有提到就是公務機關每年要向上級或監督機關\n132123\t149339\t提出這個資通安全維護計畫的實施情形那無上級機關者這個治安安全維護計畫實施情形應該送主管機關那照這個條文看起來好像都不是送我們速發部的治安署\n152856\t177244\t通報會到我們自安署嗎跟委員報告的確是通報都會到我們署裡面來因為我們有一個通報的系統所以只要有發生自然事件只要一個小時內他就要再通報到我們的系統裡面來掌握相關的一個事件這個是受到攻擊的時候的一個通報嗎平常的這個自然維護計劃呢\n178991\t190306\t是那跟委員報告就是委員會計劃各單位只要在每年訂定然後他呈這個呈他的主管核定之後就可以但是那個這個計劃的實施情形他要報到這個書畫部這邊來\n194091\t216693\t實施情形要報了,所以我們抒發部、資安署可以確實掌握嗎?掌握各機關的實施情形嗎?是的,因為他們有一個系統,他們透過系統裡面來填報他們的整個計畫實施情形那我們就可以根據他的這個實施情形之後做一些相關的一些分析等等的做一些相關的一些報告\n217768\t237243\t是 那就是不曉得說這個部分到底有沒有確實的落實我想這個部分應該我們資安署要積極的去了解這個部分我們在要求機關在第一年的大概三月底前要填報前一年度的這個維護計畫的這個時間情形\n240141\t249126\t對好那這個資安的維護非常重要那剛剛我們有提到這個基礎關鍵設施所以對這個通訊就是有關這個通訊的部分關鍵基礎設施我們抒發部就是如果說面對這個天災風災或者是地震發生的這個基礎設施就是\n265035\t273703\t就是斷訊的時候就是有關基地台如果說毀損的時候我們速發部有什麼方法可以來支援這個通訊\n274363\t296073\t通訊的韌性是非常重要那我們刷布在這邊就是我們就是就是多元益子的網路通訊包括海陸空所以就是說從這個地面的fiber到所謂的4G 5G到微波到天上的衛星低軌中軌高軌都有在佈建\n297113\t322694\t所以希望能夠在不管什麼天災人禍都希望通訊能夠通能夠暢通這是我們的書畫部的一個很重要的目標是啊是目標啦那當然就是說如果遇到的時候我們可以怎麼做啦那我有看到本席有看到就是說在0403的花蓮地震的時候我們確實是有發揮這樣子的一個功能就是\n323154\t352229\t利用這個低軌衛星投入這個救災我想這個是值得肯定的就是我們也是透過跟空勤的這個直升機的合作把這個就是通訊的這個低軌衛星設備投到天翔那邊去然後可以來協助這個救災這個是非常重要的因為在完全斷訊的情況下不管是居民要對外聯絡求救或者是說我們政府機關要救災這個通訊真的是\n352709\t366649\t不可或缺的所以這是非常重要那本席也有注意到就是說除了低軌衛星之外還有一個設備就是高空通訊平台那這部分我不曉得說我們速發部目前進展的這個狀況如何\n368796\t389585\t這個高空通訊平台我們去年有做了一個系統就是用高空的氣球來把通訊設備來做通訊那個實驗是成功的那今年本來是要有無人機做這件事情但是因為預算被砍所以我們今年這個計畫是暫停不過我們希望未來能夠再重新啟動\n390410\t403082\t我本期注意到的是剛剛部長說是成功的可是我看媒體報導是我們那次升空是失敗的那是因為那天有颱風風力太大我們先測試成功記者會那天沒辦法\n407847\t434879\t不是記者會那天沒辦法升空但前面我們已經經過測試測試是有成功的記者會要發表說所以你用這個氣球的方式還是有很大的變數嗎所以如果說災害發生的時候剛好風力又太大那你就派不上用場了對 但是就是說在事後的救災就剛剛講說颱風過後天氣開始轉好以後氣球就可以上去就那天我們在做記者會的時候正好遇到颱風所以那天就沒有升空\n435618\t441321\t是 所以我覺得說這個氣球這種方式真的是還是有很大的變數所以剛剛部長有提到要發展無人機那國外都已經用無人機來載運這樣子的一個通訊的設備所以我們也是真的是很遺憾的就是說在114年的這個預算裡面\n458528\t476698\t就是我們這個速發部確實也有編列的預算就是要關於這個晶片驅動產業創新再升級的這個經費裡面有一部分是要辦理非地面通訊關鍵技術應用的推動對不對那這個預算現在目前都沒了因為被刪減所以我們現在是今年暫停\n477557\t489491\t今年暫停就被刪減了就暫停了所以我覺得這個在野黨亂山預算真的就是危害國家的安全因為對於這個整個數位國家的一個韌性真的是傷害非常的大謝謝部長 謝謝\n","txt":"副院長\n部長早 那今天委員會針對這個資安管理法的一個修正條文進行這個詢問那剛剛也很多委員都有關心到就是根據這個國安局公布的一個資料台灣就是在2024年受到這個罔工這個駭工的這樣子的一個統計數字\n比2023年多了兩倍就是2024年台灣是遭受超過8億次的網路攻擊所以平均每日有240萬次是2023年的兩倍之多那我們也看到這個國安局的一個統計裡面就是我們遭受攻擊的這個被攻擊的目標就是都是以這個基礎的關鍵設施為主遭受這個攻擊\n這個看起來也是真的是蠻嚴重的所以就這個部分就是請教我們抒發部就是我們有關這個關鍵基礎設施的一個資安防護我們抒發部大概有哪一些的做法\n通常遇到這種政府單位或是關鍵基礎設施provider我們會做治安的一些攻防演練 集合當然他們也要做一些通報 情緒分享所以從這方面我們是對關鍵基礎建設來做一些治安的強化\n當然這裡會因為關鍵基礎建設有很多是跨部就屬於不同部會所以我們會跟部會之間有一些合作比如說有水電是在經濟部然後醫院在衛福部這些我們都會一起來做這些治安的合作跟防護這樣\n是那就是基礎關鍵設施的一個防護然後很重要那當然就是有關這個資安的一個維護計畫也是非常的重要所以我們看到資安法裡面就是第12條有提到就是公務機關每年要向上級或監督機關\n提出這個資通安全維護計畫的實施情形那無上級機關者這個治安安全維護計畫實施情形應該送主管機關那照這個條文看起來好像都不是送我們速發部的治安署\n通報會到我們自安署嗎跟委員報告的確是通報都會到我們署裡面來因為我們有一個通報的系統所以只要有發生自然事件只要一個小時內他就要再通報到我們的系統裡面來掌握相關的一個事件這個是受到攻擊的時候的一個通報嗎平常的這個自然維護計劃呢\n是那跟委員報告就是委員會計劃各單位只要在每年訂定然後他呈這個呈他的主管核定之後就可以但是那個這個計劃的實施情形他要報到這個書畫部這邊來\n實施情形要報了,所以我們抒發部、資安署可以確實掌握嗎?掌握各機關的實施情形嗎?是的,因為他們有一個系統,他們透過系統裡面來填報他們的整個計畫實施情形那我們就可以根據他的這個實施情形之後做一些相關的一些分析等等的做一些相關的一些報告\n是 那就是不曉得說這個部分到底有沒有確實的落實我想這個部分應該我們資安署要積極的去了解這個部分我們在要求機關在第一年的大概三月底前要填報前一年度的這個維護計畫的這個時間情形\n對好那這個資安的維護非常重要那剛剛我們有提到這個基礎關鍵設施所以對這個通訊就是有關這個通訊的部分關鍵基礎設施我們抒發部就是如果說面對這個天災風災或者是地震發生的這個基礎設施就是\n就是斷訊的時候就是有關基地台如果說毀損的時候我們速發部有什麼方法可以來支援這個通訊\n通訊的韌性是非常重要那我們刷布在這邊就是我們就是就是多元益子的網路通訊包括海陸空所以就是說從這個地面的fiber到所謂的4G 5G到微波到天上的衛星低軌中軌高軌都有在佈建\n所以希望能夠在不管什麼天災人禍都希望通訊能夠通能夠暢通這是我們的書畫部的一個很重要的目標是啊是目標啦那當然就是說如果遇到的時候我們可以怎麼做啦那我有看到本席有看到就是說在0403的花蓮地震的時候我們確實是有發揮這樣子的一個功能就是\n利用這個低軌衛星投入這個救災我想這個是值得肯定的就是我們也是透過跟空勤的這個直升機的合作把這個就是通訊的這個低軌衛星設備投到天翔那邊去然後可以來協助這個救災這個是非常重要的因為在完全斷訊的情況下不管是居民要對外聯絡求救或者是說我們政府機關要救災這個通訊真的是\n不可或缺的所以這是非常重要那本席也有注意到就是說除了低軌衛星之外還有一個設備就是高空通訊平台那這部分我不曉得說我們速發部目前進展的這個狀況如何\n這個高空通訊平台我們去年有做了一個系統就是用高空的氣球來把通訊設備來做通訊那個實驗是成功的那今年本來是要有無人機做這件事情但是因為預算被砍所以我們今年這個計畫是暫停不過我們希望未來能夠再重新啟動\n我本期注意到的是剛剛部長說是成功的可是我看媒體報導是我們那次升空是失敗的那是因為那天有颱風風力太大我們先測試成功記者會那天沒辦法\n不是記者會那天沒辦法升空但前面我們已經經過測試測試是有成功的記者會要發表說所以你用這個氣球的方式還是有很大的變數嗎所以如果說災害發生的時候剛好風力又太大那你就派不上用場了對 但是就是說在事後的救災就剛剛講說颱風過後天氣開始轉好以後氣球就可以上去就那天我們在做記者會的時候正好遇到颱風所以那天就沒有升空\n是 所以我覺得說這個氣球這種方式真的是還是有很大的變數所以剛剛部長有提到要發展無人機那國外都已經用無人機來載運這樣子的一個通訊的設備所以我們也是真的是很遺憾的就是說在114年的這個預算裡面\n就是我們這個速發部確實也有編列的預算就是要關於這個晶片驅動產業創新再升級的這個經費裡面有一部分是要辦理非地面通訊關鍵技術應用的推動對不對那這個預算現在目前都沒了因為被刪減所以我們現在是今年暫停\n今年暫停就被刪減了就暫停了所以我覺得這個在野黨亂山預算真的就是危害國家的安全因為對於這個整個數位國家的一個韌性真的是傷害非常的大謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.691 --> 00:00.851\n副院長\n\n00:14.103 --> 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