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00:03:32,324\n針對中張投影的精密智慧新核心這樣子的一個政策目標我們的重點產業是在光產業精密機械產業智慧化還有零廢產業航太及無人載具移動產業智慧化智慧農業觀光半導體及生技醫藥本席盤點了一下這些產業\n\n9\n00:03:33,624 --> 00:03:59,743\n目前所分布的一個區域其實都是在台中不然就是雲裡南投其實彰化看不到比較就是亮眼的一個代表性的這個公司跟產業那我不曉得說以行政院目前規劃這樣子一個政策目標我們行政院中央可以依助彰化縣什麼資源或者是可以來帶進什麼樣的一個產業帶動地方發展\n\n10\n00:04:03,055 --> 00:04:17,822\n是不是請院長回答一下整個六大產業生活區是在總統均衡台灣的治國理念下我們做這樣平均的分配希望每一個生活圈產業圈都有它的特色但是也要保留它原來的\n\n11\n00:04:18,742 --> 00:04:39,159\n比方說中部地區本來就是一個精密製造的重鎮所以精密製造一定是在這裡的一個重心再加上所有的新進的包括光智慧產品產業以及甚至智慧農業我覺得彰化縣未來智慧農業這方面應該可以做一些有力的發展以前這個\n\n12\n00:04:41,102 --> 00:04:51,179\n花展花博等等之類的活動也都非常的成功彰化也有很多的紡織業也可以把它放成更升級為新的智慧紡織產業\n\n13\n00:04:53,671 --> 00:05:14,738\n其實剛剛院長有提到的機密機械的這些產業或者是光產業目前現有的很亮眼的產業都是在台中市以中部地區來說如果是以這些產業的發展本身看起來我擔心的彰化還是被邊緣化因為沒有一個重點發展的一個產業\n\n14\n00:05:17,005 --> 00:05:19,489\n張華有很成功的車輛產業包括汽車零組件這個部分其實在張華地區都有很多國際知名的公司在那邊\n\n15\n00:05:32,367 --> 00:05:57,364\n那另外我們的風電風電這個產業也是彰化地區也是非常重要的一個產業那另外其他包括就是說我們希望彰化地區也能夠發展很多的商業服務業很多的觀光工廠他也可以當做一些這個遊器啊休閒或是甚至就是說他把MIT的這個品牌他可以在觀光工廠\n\n16\n00:05:58,545 --> 00:06:23,963\n上面做展示所以彰化也是一個非常多元的工商大線是照次長的回覆啊就是你剛剛提到的不管是汽車的零組件產業還有觀光工廠好像都沒有在你條列的這些項目裡面那是不是也可以就是特別的跟他就是條列然後列為重點可以輔導或者是挹注的一個方向這樣子\n\n17\n00:06:25,644 --> 00:06:46,634\n其實彰化縣確實有很多的隱形冠軍就是說像這個正興美麗達或者是就是這個鹿港的就是做生產汽車的後市汽車零件的這些公司可是這些已經都是現有的產業了那他所能夠創造的\n\n18\n00:06:47,034 --> 00:07:03,366\n就業機會或者是經濟產值就是這樣子的可是我們我剛要提到的就是說我們要提升彰化縣的整體薪資還是需要有更具代表性的或者是競爭力的高科技產業進駐才有可能提升整體的薪資\n\n19\n00:07:04,687 --> 00:07:27,616\n的結構那對於就是說要引進高科技產業來說彰化縣的條件真的是真的是不足所以就這部分的話我們行政院中央是不是可以針對這部分來強化彰化縣未來在吸引高科技產業進駐的條件比如說水電或者土地的這些規劃\n\n20\n00:07:31,025 --> 00:07:47,950\n跟我們報告那水資源的部分目前我們的統計彰化他一天的用水需求大概43萬噸那目前我們可以最大的供水量可以達到52萬噸而且我們現在朝著多元水源的方式在開發包括一些浮流水還有\n\n21\n00:07:48,770 --> 00:08:09,475\n台中跟雲林之間我們有一個水源調度的管線也預計會在118年完成這個完成之後每天它可以調度的水量可以再增加32萬噸所以這個水的問題是沒有問題那電的部分當然更沒有問題我們到2032年之前台灣是不缺電的部分\n\n22\n00:08:09,975 --> 00:08:33,252\n所以我想這些這個工商發展所需要的這些基礎設施啊我們水電的部分我們經濟部都可以來提供市長說水源沒有問題可是在那個二林中科當初在開發的時候就是因為考慮到水源的問題所以才有這個開發的條件嘛在可行性評估的時候有這個\n\n23\n00:08:34,493 --> 00:08:52,313\n限制在低耗水低耗能產業進駐這樣子的一個條件所以導致到現在二林中科如果說要去招商像台積電這些他根本就沒辦法來設廠啊所以我覺得這個好像有點就是還是有點綁手綁腳啦\n\n24\n00:08:54,977 --> 00:09:22,580\n跟委員報告中科的二齡的園區每天的用水量是兩萬噸那這個用水計後我們已經核定了也就是說他用這個水的需求是沒有匱乏的我們可以全額來提供所以水跟電其實都沒有問題你說水跟電沒有問題那如果說假設啦如果說地方政府要去就是希望爭取台積電去那邊設置這樣有可能嗎\n\n25\n00:09:23,710 --> 00:09:34,040\n當然台積電的這個投資以公司來說是他要去考量的可是我是要問的是我們有這個條件去爭取台積電來設設在惡靈中科嗎\n\n26\n00:09:37,136 --> 00:09:55,176\n是當然可以去爭取只是說台積電它會有很多的評估包括這個群聚的效果知道它評估了水就是一定不夠的嘛它一定不敢來啊那我想如果真的有需要水的部分的話就是我剛剛跟委員報告的就是說那個掉度的管線如果在118年完成的話我們可以再增加32萬噸的\n\n27\n00:09:56,657 --> 00:10:19,442\n因為我們看到台積電他要去嘉義設廠所以為了水源的問題嘉義也要設一座海淡廠那在海淡廠還沒完成之前這個用水計畫也是要從雲林來支援所以雲林也是在擔心會去排擠到他們用水的問題所以我覺得我剛提的問題次長你都\n\n28\n00:10:22,183 --> 00:10:38,233\n都是沒有回答到重點我覺得就是說對彰化來說就是這一些條件還不是很充足所以對整個高科技產業要來發展進駐還是有它的一個限制所以對於整個彰化縣的一個產業的一個發展\n\n29\n00:10:40,154 --> 00:10:59,483\n我覺得未來還是要從這個基本來做一個強化就是水電跟土地的部分因為土地彰化線的工業區用地也是不足的在這幾年在過去中美貿易戰開始拜登美國在拜登總統時期就很多台商回流就已經\n\n30\n00:11:00,323 --> 00:11:19,970\n有這個土地不足工業區土地用地不足的一個問題了所以那到現在一樣還是有這樣子的問題存在所以我覺得說這些問題我們希望就是經濟部還有我們行政院主委院長這邊可以對我們彰化縣這邊多加關注跟支持這樣子\n\n31\n00:11:21,255 --> 00:11:41,224\n委員提出的這些問題我剛剛這個次長答覆的部分是現在我們已經確定的那如果說未來有新的一個計畫我想同時都可以再考量所以水電的供應目前是沒有問題但新的計畫如果增加是不是有可能這個我們會進一步從這個各方供應的條件來做思考\n\n32\n00:11:44,102 --> 00:12:11,303\n市長請你先回座本席再來關心一下有關智慧農業的部分剛剛院長有先回答了說彰化縣可以發展智慧農業這個也是在我們精密智慧核心裡面的其中一項智慧農業可是我覺得本席還是覺得彰化縣好像希望很渺小\n\n33\n00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:28,517\n因為在一百應該是一百零六年的時候那時候在衛民國縣長任內因為臧蘭產業園區的開發案受到地方民眾跟環保團體的抗議之後就解編就是回歸到那個就是\n\n34\n00:12:31,914 --> 00:12:59,242\n應該是回復到農業使用那當時的縣政府是希望爭取高科技產業能夠設置在這個地方就是張嵐高科技農業產業園區那這樣子的一個計畫那時候也有得到農糧署的一個支持那時候他們也有開了一個記者會對外來宣布可是這個計畫一直到現在好像就沒有什麼消息了\n\n35\n00:13:00,946 --> 00:13:21,903\n我跟委員報告就是您剛才所提的就是在整個這個張南地區的這些園區裡面因為從106年開始就有不同的意見但是最後也是希望朝向智慧農業這樣的園域設置但是很可惜的就是在113年的3月間那行政院那邊開會經過國科會還有其他部會的一個評估\n\n36\n00:13:25,286 --> 00:13:50,325\n基於兩個原因一個原因就是他的條件跟時機還不夠成熟那第二個部分是他的自償率不夠所以叫我們在適當的時間再提出來可是就我個人我認為彰化是一個值得去開發自衛農業的一個園區包括從田尾、二水、田中跟社頭這個區域這個區域其實有非常農業的特色在裡面\n\n37\n00:13:50,865 --> 00:14:18,475\n如果結合自衛農業那絕對是可行的但是之前提的一些跟農業有關的他們是希望把土地從農業用變成工業用所以變成工業用就有非常多的環保團體會有一些抗爭但是在自衛園區如果用還是用農業用的部分透過溫室的產業去帶動自衛農業是可行的而且我已經要求我們的同仁啟動他的一個正式的一個評估\n\n38\n00:14:20,151 --> 00:14:34,397\n目前你們的評估就是針對彰化雲林跟嘉義嗎最後會落腳在哪裡還不知道啊所以剛剛院長提到說彰化縣可以來發展這個我覺得好像也還會是未定數\n\n39\n00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:58,731\n不是我跟委員報告因為同樣的雲林也在爭取一些園區家業也在爭取所以我們在整體的評估不是說這三個縣選一個地方其實我們要去看整體的這個農業的園區到底要有多少個產業支持那不是說一定是三選一啦這個委員請翻譯而且以我個人來講我覺得剛才講的那幾個區位其實是蠻適合做自衛農業的\n\n40\n00:15:01,897 --> 00:15:18,145\n是彰化縣也是一個農業大縣彰化縣不管是農業蔬菜水果或者畜牧的產值在全國都可以排名在前三名的所以是一個重要的農業生產區面對美國關稅的衝擊提升農業的競爭力保障農民的收益我覺得是非常的重要\n\n41\n00:15:27,049 --> 00:15:38,535\n我希望就是說我們在這個台塘的水泳農場這個原來規劃為蟑螂產業園區這個地方我們希望行政院可以把它就是列為優先規劃這個智慧\n\n42\n00:15:56,793 --> 00:15:57,241\n接下來我們請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n20734\t26976\t謝謝院長 那請這個卓院長還有經濟部和次長麻煩再請卓院長經濟部備詢這位好院長早安\n39902\t45986\t我們台灣在整個世界的經濟體產業鏈裡面是非常重要的一個國家MITMade in Taiwan也可以說是受到世界各國的一個肯定那現在目前面臨的美國關稅風暴的一個衝擊提升我們產業的競爭力是非常的重要事實上本席也有看到在\n66758\t90328\t這個美國關稅風暴之前其實我們行政院針對就是提升整個國家的這個產業的這個競爭力我們就提出了這個六大區域旗艦計畫這樣子的一個目標跟政策那我們看到就是以我們行政院的一個規劃來看以北部就是北北基於是規劃為首都圈的黃金狼帶\n91348\t106456\t桃竹苗就是桃竹苗大矽谷宜花東平南是東部漫火城鄉嘉瀾高坪是大南方新矽谷金馬婆是低碳熱火離島本席選區所在的中章雲頭\n108037\t134264\t是規劃為精密智慧新核心當然看到行政院這樣子的規劃本席也是蠻期待的那也很好奇希望知道我們行政院到底要怎樣來推動這六大區域的一個政策目標那以行政院的規劃是希望以這樣子的一個六大區域的發展計畫來增就業提薪資跟繁榮地方\n136064\t156057\t那以這個三個目標政策目標來看事實上彰化縣真的是非常的需要因為彰化縣在這幾年來人口持續的外流非常的嚴重目前從2018年有將近130萬就是127.8萬到今年已經剩下122萬本來以這個編制的話可以有兩個副縣長現在只剩一個\n167185\t189276\t所以這是人口流失的一個現象那平均薪資以全國來說我們彰化縣的平均薪資是最後的是吊車尾的所以如果說以行政院的這樣子的一個政策目標可以提高薪資繁榮地方真的彰化縣是非常的一個需要那我也進一步的了解一下我們就是\n191176\t212324\t針對中張投影的精密智慧新核心這樣子的一個政策目標我們的重點產業是在光產業 精密機械產業智慧化還有零廢產業 航太及無人載具 移動產業智慧化智慧農業 觀光 半導體及生技醫藥本席盤點了一下這些產業\n213624\t239743\t目前所分布的一個區域其實都是在台中不然就是雲裡南投其實彰化看不到比較就是亮眼的一個代表性的這個公司跟產業那我不曉得說以行政院目前規劃這樣子一個政策目標我們行政院中央可以依助彰化縣什麼資源或者是可以來帶進什麼樣的一個產業帶動地方發展\n243055\t257822\t是不是請院長回答一下整個六大產業生活區是在總統均衡台灣的治國理念下我們做這樣平均的分配希望每一個生活圈產業圈都有它的特色但是也要保留它原來的\n258742\t279159\t比方說中部地區本來就是一個精密製造的重鎮所以精密製造一定是在這裡的一個重心再加上所有的新進的包括光智慧產品產業以及甚至智慧農業我覺得彰化縣未來智慧農業這方面應該可以做一些有力的發展以前這個\n281102\t291179\t花展 花博等等之類的活動也都非常的成功彰化也有很多的紡織業也可以把它放成更升級為新的智慧紡織產業\n293671\t314738\t其實剛剛院長有提到的機密機械的這些產業或者是光產業目前現有的很亮眼的產業都是在台中市以中部地區來說如果是以這些產業的發展本身看起來我擔心的彰化還是被邊緣化因為沒有一個重點發展的一個產業\n317005\t319489\t張華有很成功的車輛產業包括汽車零組件這個部分其實在張華地區都有很多國際知名的公司在那邊\n332367\t357364\t那另外我們的風電風電這個產業也是彰化地區也是非常重要的一個產業那另外其他包括就是說我們希望彰化地區也能夠發展很多的商業服務業很多的觀光工廠他也可以當做一些這個遊器啊 休閒或是甚至就是說他把MIT的這個品牌他可以在觀光工廠\n358545\t383963\t上面做展示所以彰化也是一個非常多元的工商大線是 照次長的回覆啊就是你剛剛提到的不管是汽車的零組件產業還有觀光工廠好像都沒有在你條列的這些項目裡面那是不是也可以就是特別的跟他就是條列然後列為重點可以輔導或者是挹注的一個方向這樣子\n385644\t406634\t其實彰化縣確實有很多的隱形冠軍就是說像這個正興美麗達或者是就是這個鹿港的就是做生產汽車的後市汽車零件的這些公司可是這些已經都是現有的產業了那他所能夠創造的\n407034\t423366\t就業機會或者是經濟產值就是這樣子的可是我們我剛要提到的就是說我們要提升彰化縣的整體薪資還是需要有更具代表性的或者是競爭力的高科技產業進駐才有可能提升整體的薪資\n424687\t447616\t的結構那對於就是說要引進高科技產業來說彰化縣的條件真的是真的是不足所以就這部分的話我們行政院中央是不是可以針對這部分來強化彰化縣未來在吸引高科技產業進駐的條件比如說水電或者土地的這些規劃\n451025\t467950\t跟我們報告那水資源的部分目前我們的統計彰化他一天的用水需求大概43萬噸那目前我們可以最大的供水量可以達到52萬噸而且我們現在朝著多元水源的方式在開發包括一些浮流水還有\n468770\t489475\t台中跟雲林之間我們有一個水源調度的管線也預計會在118年完成這個完成之後每天它可以調度的水量可以再增加32萬噸所以這個水的問題是沒有問題那電的部分當然更沒有問題我們到2032年之前台灣是不缺電的部分\n489975\t513252\t所以我想這些這個工商發展所需要的這些基礎設施啊我們水電的部分我們經濟部都可以來提供市長說水源沒有問題可是在那個二林中科當初在開發的時候就是因為考慮到水源的問題所以才有這個開發的條件嘛在可行性評估的時候有這個\n514493\t532313\t限制在低耗水低耗能產業進駐這樣子的一個條件所以導致到現在二林中科如果說要去招商像台積電這些他根本就沒辦法來設廠啊所以我覺得這個好像有點就是還是有點綁手綁腳啦\n534977\t562580\t跟委員報告中科的二齡的園區每天的用水量是兩萬噸那這個用水計後我們已經核定了也就是說他用這個水的需求是沒有匱乏的我們可以全額來提供所以水跟電其實都沒有問題你說水跟電沒有問題那如果說假設啦如果說地方政府要去就是希望爭取台積電去那邊設置這樣有可能嗎\n563710\t574040\t當然台積電的這個投資以公司來說是他要去考量的可是我是要問的是我們有這個條件去爭取台積電來設設在惡靈中科嗎\n577136\t595176\t是 當然可以去爭取只是說台積電它會有很多的評估包括這個群聚的效果 知道 它評估了水就是一定不夠的嘛 它一定不敢來啊那我想如果真的有需要水的部分的話就是我剛剛跟委員報告的就是說那個掉度的管線如果在118年完成的話我們可以再增加32萬噸的\n596657\t619442\t因為我們看到台積電他要去嘉義設廠所以為了水源的問題嘉義也要設一座海淡廠那在海淡廠還沒完成之前這個用水計畫也是要從雲林來支援所以雲林也是在擔心會去排擠到他們用水的問題所以我覺得我剛提的問題次長你都\n622183\t638233\t都是沒有回答到重點我覺得就是說對彰化來說就是這一些條件還不是很充足所以對整個高科技產業要來發展進駐還是有它的一個限制所以對於整個彰化縣的一個產業的一個發展\n640154\t659483\t我覺得未來還是要從這個基本來做一個強化就是水電跟土地的部分因為土地彰化線的工業區用地也是不足的在這幾年在過去中美貿易戰開始拜登美國在拜登總統時期就很多台商回流就已經\n660323\t679970\t有這個土地不足工業區土地用地不足的一個問題了所以那到現在一樣還是有這樣子的問題存在所以我覺得說這些問題我們希望就是經濟部還有我們行政院主委院長這邊可以對我們彰化縣這邊多加關注跟支持這樣子\n681255\t701224\t委員提出的這些問題我剛剛這個次長答覆的部分是現在我們已經確定的那如果說未來有新的一個計畫我想同時都可以再考量所以水電的供應目前是沒有問題但新的計畫如果增加是不是有可能這個我們會進一步從這個各方供應的條件來做思考\n704102\t731303\t市長請你先回座本席再來關心一下有關智慧農業的部分剛剛院長有先回答了說彰化縣可以發展智慧農業這個也是在我們精密智慧核心裡面的其中一項智慧農業可是我覺得本席還是覺得彰化縣好像希望很渺小\n732079\t748517\t因為在一百應該是一百零六年的時候那時候在衛民國縣長任內因為臧蘭產業園區的開發案受到地方民眾跟環保團體的抗議之後就解編就是回歸到那個就是\n751914\t779242\t應該是回復到農業使用那當時的縣政府是希望爭取高科技產業能夠設置在這個地方就是張嵐高科技農業產業園區那這樣子的一個計畫那時候也有得到農糧署的一個支持那時候他們也有開了一個記者會對外來宣布可是這個計畫一直到現在好像就沒有什麼消息了\n780946\t801903\t我跟委員報告就是您剛才所提的就是在整個這個張南地區的這些園區裡面因為從106年開始就有不同的意見但是最後也是希望朝向智慧農業這樣的園域設置但是很可惜的就是在113年的3月間那行政院那邊開會經過國科會還有其他部會的一個評估\n805286\t830325\t基於兩個原因一個原因就是他的條件跟時機還不夠成熟那第二個部分是他的自償率不夠所以叫我們在適當的時間再提出來可是就我個人我認為彰化是一個值得去開發自衛農業的一個園區包括從田尾、二水、田中跟社頭這個區域這個區域其實有非常農業的特色在裡面\n830865\t858475\t如果結合自衛農業那絕對是可行的但是之前提的一些跟農業有關的他們是希望把土地從農業用變成工業用所以變成工業用就有非常多的環保團體會有一些抗爭但是在自衛園區如果用還是用農業用的部分透過溫室的產業去帶動自衛農業是可行的而且我已經要求我們的同仁啟動他的一個正式的一個評估\n860151\t874397\t目前你們的評估就是針對彰化雲林跟嘉義嗎最後會落腳在哪裡還不知道啊所以剛剛院長提到說彰化縣可以來發展這個我覺得好像也還會是未定數\n875080\t898731\t不是我跟委員報告因為同樣的雲林也在爭取一些園區家業也在爭取所以我們在整體的評估不是說這三個縣選一個地方其實我們要去看整體的這個農業的園區到底要有多少個產業支持那不是說一定是三選一啦這個委員請翻譯而且以我個人來講我覺得剛才講的那幾個區位其實是蠻適合做自衛農業的\n901897\t918145\t是 彰化縣也是一個農業大縣彰化縣不管是農業蔬菜水果或者畜牧的產值在全國都可以排名在前三名的所以是一個重要的農業生產區面對美國關稅的衝擊提升農業的競爭力保障農民的收益我覺得是非常的重要\n927049\t938535\t我希望就是說我們在這個台塘的水泳農場這個原來規劃為蟑螂產業園區這個地方我們希望行政院可以把它就是列為優先規劃這個智慧\n956793\t957241\t接下來我們請\n","txt":"謝謝院長 那請這個卓院長還有經濟部和次長麻煩再請卓院長經濟部備詢這位好院長早安\n我們台灣在整個世界的經濟體產業鏈裡面是非常重要的一個國家MITMade in Taiwan也可以說是受到世界各國的一個肯定那現在目前面臨的美國關稅風暴的一個衝擊提升我們產業的競爭力是非常的重要事實上本席也有看到在\n這個美國關稅風暴之前其實我們行政院針對就是提升整個國家的這個產業的這個競爭力我們就提出了這個六大區域旗艦計畫這樣子的一個目標跟政策那我們看到就是以我們行政院的一個規劃來看以北部就是北北基於是規劃為首都圈的黃金狼帶\n桃竹苗就是桃竹苗大矽谷宜花東平南是東部漫火城鄉嘉瀾高坪是大南方新矽谷金馬婆是低碳熱火離島本席選區所在的中章雲頭\n是規劃為精密智慧新核心當然看到行政院這樣子的規劃本席也是蠻期待的那也很好奇希望知道我們行政院到底要怎樣來推動這六大區域的一個政策目標那以行政院的規劃是希望以這樣子的一個六大區域的發展計畫來增就業提薪資跟繁榮地方\n那以這個三個目標政策目標來看事實上彰化縣真的是非常的需要因為彰化縣在這幾年來人口持續的外流非常的嚴重目前從2018年有將近130萬就是127.8萬到今年已經剩下122萬本來以這個編制的話可以有兩個副縣長現在只剩一個\n所以這是人口流失的一個現象那平均薪資以全國來說我們彰化縣的平均薪資是最後的是吊車尾的所以如果說以行政院的這樣子的一個政策目標可以提高薪資繁榮地方真的彰化縣是非常的一個需要那我也進一步的了解一下我們就是\n針對中張投影的精密智慧新核心這樣子的一個政策目標我們的重點產業是在光產業 精密機械產業智慧化還有零廢產業 航太及無人載具 移動產業智慧化智慧農業 觀光 半導體及生技醫藥本席盤點了一下這些產業\n目前所分布的一個區域其實都是在台中不然就是雲裡南投其實彰化看不到比較就是亮眼的一個代表性的這個公司跟產業那我不曉得說以行政院目前規劃這樣子一個政策目標我們行政院中央可以依助彰化縣什麼資源或者是可以來帶進什麼樣的一個產業帶動地方發展\n是不是請院長回答一下整個六大產業生活區是在總統均衡台灣的治國理念下我們做這樣平均的分配希望每一個生活圈產業圈都有它的特色但是也要保留它原來的\n比方說中部地區本來就是一個精密製造的重鎮所以精密製造一定是在這裡的一個重心再加上所有的新進的包括光智慧產品產業以及甚至智慧農業我覺得彰化縣未來智慧農業這方面應該可以做一些有力的發展以前這個\n花展 花博等等之類的活動也都非常的成功彰化也有很多的紡織業也可以把它放成更升級為新的智慧紡織產業\n其實剛剛院長有提到的機密機械的這些產業或者是光產業目前現有的很亮眼的產業都是在台中市以中部地區來說如果是以這些產業的發展本身看起來我擔心的彰化還是被邊緣化因為沒有一個重點發展的一個產業\n張華有很成功的車輛產業包括汽車零組件這個部分其實在張華地區都有很多國際知名的公司在那邊\n那另外我們的風電風電這個產業也是彰化地區也是非常重要的一個產業那另外其他包括就是說我們希望彰化地區也能夠發展很多的商業服務業很多的觀光工廠他也可以當做一些這個遊器啊 休閒或是甚至就是說他把MIT的這個品牌他可以在觀光工廠\n上面做展示所以彰化也是一個非常多元的工商大線是 照次長的回覆啊就是你剛剛提到的不管是汽車的零組件產業還有觀光工廠好像都沒有在你條列的這些項目裡面那是不是也可以就是特別的跟他就是條列然後列為重點可以輔導或者是挹注的一個方向這樣子\n其實彰化縣確實有很多的隱形冠軍就是說像這個正興美麗達或者是就是這個鹿港的就是做生產汽車的後市汽車零件的這些公司可是這些已經都是現有的產業了那他所能夠創造的\n就業機會或者是經濟產值就是這樣子的可是我們我剛要提到的就是說我們要提升彰化縣的整體薪資還是需要有更具代表性的或者是競爭力的高科技產業進駐才有可能提升整體的薪資\n的結構那對於就是說要引進高科技產業來說彰化縣的條件真的是真的是不足所以就這部分的話我們行政院中央是不是可以針對這部分來強化彰化縣未來在吸引高科技產業進駐的條件比如說水電或者土地的這些規劃\n跟我們報告那水資源的部分目前我們的統計彰化他一天的用水需求大概43萬噸那目前我們可以最大的供水量可以達到52萬噸而且我們現在朝著多元水源的方式在開發包括一些浮流水還有\n台中跟雲林之間我們有一個水源調度的管線也預計會在118年完成這個完成之後每天它可以調度的水量可以再增加32萬噸所以這個水的問題是沒有問題那電的部分當然更沒有問題我們到2032年之前台灣是不缺電的部分\n所以我想這些這個工商發展所需要的這些基礎設施啊我們水電的部分我們經濟部都可以來提供市長說水源沒有問題可是在那個二林中科當初在開發的時候就是因為考慮到水源的問題所以才有這個開發的條件嘛在可行性評估的時候有這個\n限制在低耗水低耗能產業進駐這樣子的一個條件所以導致到現在二林中科如果說要去招商像台積電這些他根本就沒辦法來設廠啊所以我覺得這個好像有點就是還是有點綁手綁腳啦\n跟委員報告中科的二齡的園區每天的用水量是兩萬噸那這個用水計後我們已經核定了也就是說他用這個水的需求是沒有匱乏的我們可以全額來提供所以水跟電其實都沒有問題你說水跟電沒有問題那如果說假設啦如果說地方政府要去就是希望爭取台積電去那邊設置這樣有可能嗎\n當然台積電的這個投資以公司來說是他要去考量的可是我是要問的是我們有這個條件去爭取台積電來設設在惡靈中科嗎\n是 當然可以去爭取只是說台積電它會有很多的評估包括這個群聚的效果 知道 它評估了水就是一定不夠的嘛 它一定不敢來啊那我想如果真的有需要水的部分的話就是我剛剛跟委員報告的就是說那個掉度的管線如果在118年完成的話我們可以再增加32萬噸的\n因為我們看到台積電他要去嘉義設廠所以為了水源的問題嘉義也要設一座海淡廠那在海淡廠還沒完成之前這個用水計畫也是要從雲林來支援所以雲林也是在擔心會去排擠到他們用水的問題所以我覺得我剛提的問題次長你都\n都是沒有回答到重點我覺得就是說對彰化來說就是這一些條件還不是很充足所以對整個高科技產業要來發展進駐還是有它的一個限制所以對於整個彰化縣的一個產業的一個發展\n我覺得未來還是要從這個基本來做一個強化就是水電跟土地的部分因為土地彰化線的工業區用地也是不足的在這幾年在過去中美貿易戰開始拜登美國在拜登總統時期就很多台商回流就已經\n有這個土地不足工業區土地用地不足的一個問題了所以那到現在一樣還是有這樣子的問題存在所以我覺得說這些問題我們希望就是經濟部還有我們行政院主委院長這邊可以對我們彰化縣這邊多加關注跟支持這樣子\n委員提出的這些問題我剛剛這個次長答覆的部分是現在我們已經確定的那如果說未來有新的一個計畫我想同時都可以再考量所以水電的供應目前是沒有問題但新的計畫如果增加是不是有可能這個我們會進一步從這個各方供應的條件來做思考\n市長請你先回座本席再來關心一下有關智慧農業的部分剛剛院長有先回答了說彰化縣可以發展智慧農業這個也是在我們精密智慧核心裡面的其中一項智慧農業可是我覺得本席還是覺得彰化縣好像希望很渺小\n因為在一百應該是一百零六年的時候那時候在衛民國縣長任內因為臧蘭產業園區的開發案受到地方民眾跟環保團體的抗議之後就解編就是回歸到那個就是\n應該是回復到農業使用那當時的縣政府是希望爭取高科技產業能夠設置在這個地方就是張嵐高科技農業產業園區那這樣子的一個計畫那時候也有得到農糧署的一個支持那時候他們也有開了一個記者會對外來宣布可是這個計畫一直到現在好像就沒有什麼消息了\n我跟委員報告就是您剛才所提的就是在整個這個張南地區的這些園區裡面因為從106年開始就有不同的意見但是最後也是希望朝向智慧農業這樣的園域設置但是很可惜的就是在113年的3月間那行政院那邊開會經過國科會還有其他部會的一個評估\n基於兩個原因一個原因就是他的條件跟時機還不夠成熟那第二個部分是他的自償率不夠所以叫我們在適當的時間再提出來可是就我個人我認為彰化是一個值得去開發自衛農業的一個園區包括從田尾、二水、田中跟社頭這個區域這個區域其實有非常農業的特色在裡面\n如果結合自衛農業那絕對是可行的但是之前提的一些跟農業有關的他們是希望把土地從農業用變成工業用所以變成工業用就有非常多的環保團體會有一些抗爭但是在自衛園區如果用還是用農業用的部分透過溫室的產業去帶動自衛農業是可行的而且我已經要求我們的同仁啟動他的一個正式的一個評估\n目前你們的評估就是針對彰化雲林跟嘉義嗎最後會落腳在哪裡還不知道啊所以剛剛院長提到說彰化縣可以來發展這個我覺得好像也還會是未定數\n不是我跟委員報告因為同樣的雲林也在爭取一些園區家業也在爭取所以我們在整體的評估不是說這三個縣選一個地方其實我們要去看整體的這個農業的園區到底要有多少個產業支持那不是說一定是三選一啦這個委員請翻譯而且以我個人來講我覺得剛才講的那幾個區位其實是蠻適合做自衛農業的\n是 彰化縣也是一個農業大縣彰化縣不管是農業蔬菜水果或者畜牧的產值在全國都可以排名在前三名的所以是一個重要的農業生產區面對美國關稅的衝擊提升農業的競爭力保障農民的收益我覺得是非常的重要\n我希望就是說我們在這個台塘的水泳農場這個原來規劃為蟑螂產業園區這個地方我們希望行政院可以把它就是列為優先規劃這個智慧\n接下來我們請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:20.734 --> 00:26.976\n謝謝院長那請這個卓院長還有經濟部和次長麻煩再請卓院長經濟部備詢這位好院長早安\n\n00:39.902 --> 00:45.986\n我們台灣在整個世界的經濟體產業鏈裡面是非常重要的一個國家MITMadeinTaiwan也可以說是受到世界各國的一個肯定那現在目前面臨的美國關稅風暴的一個衝擊提升我們產業的競爭力是非常的重要事實上本席也有看到在\n\n01:06.758 --> 01:30.328\n這個美國關稅風暴之前其實我們行政院針對就是提升整個國家的這個產業的這個競爭力我們就提出了這個六大區域旗艦計畫這樣子的一個目標跟政策那我們看到就是以我們行政院的一個規劃來看以北部就是北北基於是規劃為首都圈的黃金狼帶\n\n01:31.348 --> 01:46.456\n桃竹苗就是桃竹苗大矽谷宜花東平南是東部漫火城鄉嘉瀾高坪是大南方新矽谷金馬婆是低碳熱火離島本席選區所在的中章雲頭\n\n01:48.037 --> 02:14.264\n是規劃為精密智慧新核心當然看到行政院這樣子的規劃本席也是蠻期待的那也很好奇希望知道我們行政院到底要怎樣來推動這六大區域的一個政策目標那以行政院的規劃是希望以這樣子的一個六大區域的發展計畫來增就業提薪資跟繁榮地方\n\n02:16.064 --> 02:36.057\n那以這個三個目標政策目標來看事實上彰化縣真的是非常的需要因為彰化縣在這幾年來人口持續的外流非常的嚴重目前從2018年有將近130萬就是127.8萬到今年已經剩下122萬本來以這個編制的話可以有兩個副縣長現在只剩一個\n\n02:47.185 --> 03:09.276\n所以這是人口流失的一個現象那平均薪資以全國來說我們彰化縣的平均薪資是最後的是吊車尾的所以如果說以行政院的這樣子的一個政策目標可以提高薪資繁榮地方真的彰化縣是非常的一個需要那我也進一步的了解一下我們就是\n\n03:11.176 --> 03:32.324\n針對中張投影的精密智慧新核心這樣子的一個政策目標我們的重點產業是在光產業精密機械產業智慧化還有零廢產業航太及無人載具移動產業智慧化智慧農業觀光半導體及生技醫藥本席盤點了一下這些產業\n\n03:33.624 --> 03:59.743\n目前所分布的一個區域其實都是在台中不然就是雲裡南投其實彰化看不到比較就是亮眼的一個代表性的這個公司跟產業那我不曉得說以行政院目前規劃這樣子一個政策目標我們行政院中央可以依助彰化縣什麼資源或者是可以來帶進什麼樣的一個產業帶動地方發展\n\n04:03.055 --> 04:17.822\n是不是請院長回答一下整個六大產業生活區是在總統均衡台灣的治國理念下我們做這樣平均的分配希望每一個生活圈產業圈都有它的特色但是也要保留它原來的\n\n04:18.742 --> 04:39.159\n比方說中部地區本來就是一個精密製造的重鎮所以精密製造一定是在這裡的一個重心再加上所有的新進的包括光智慧產品產業以及甚至智慧農業我覺得彰化縣未來智慧農業這方面應該可以做一些有力的發展以前這個\n\n04:41.102 --> 04:51.179\n花展花博等等之類的活動也都非常的成功彰化也有很多的紡織業也可以把它放成更升級為新的智慧紡織產業\n\n04:53.671 --> 05:14.738\n其實剛剛院長有提到的機密機械的這些產業或者是光產業目前現有的很亮眼的產業都是在台中市以中部地區來說如果是以這些產業的發展本身看起來我擔心的彰化還是被邊緣化因為沒有一個重點發展的一個產業\n\n05:17.005 --> 05:19.489\n張華有很成功的車輛產業包括汽車零組件這個部分其實在張華地區都有很多國際知名的公司在那邊\n\n05:32.367 --> 05:57.364\n那另外我們的風電風電這個產業也是彰化地區也是非常重要的一個產業那另外其他包括就是說我們希望彰化地區也能夠發展很多的商業服務業很多的觀光工廠他也可以當做一些這個遊器啊休閒或是甚至就是說他把MIT的這個品牌他可以在觀光工廠\n\n05:58.545 --> 06:23.963\n上面做展示所以彰化也是一個非常多元的工商大線是照次長的回覆啊就是你剛剛提到的不管是汽車的零組件產業還有觀光工廠好像都沒有在你條列的這些項目裡面那是不是也可以就是特別的跟他就是條列然後列為重點可以輔導或者是挹注的一個方向這樣子\n\n06:25.644 --> 06:46.634\n其實彰化縣確實有很多的隱形冠軍就是說像這個正興美麗達或者是就是這個鹿港的就是做生產汽車的後市汽車零件的這些公司可是這些已經都是現有的產業了那他所能夠創造的\n\n06:47.034 --> 07:03.366\n就業機會或者是經濟產值就是這樣子的可是我們我剛要提到的就是說我們要提升彰化縣的整體薪資還是需要有更具代表性的或者是競爭力的高科技產業進駐才有可能提升整體的薪資\n\n07:04.687 --> 07:27.616\n的結構那對於就是說要引進高科技產業來說彰化縣的條件真的是真的是不足所以就這部分的話我們行政院中央是不是可以針對這部分來強化彰化縣未來在吸引高科技產業進駐的條件比如說水電或者土地的這些規劃\n\n07:31.025 --> 07:47.950\n跟我們報告那水資源的部分目前我們的統計彰化他一天的用水需求大概43萬噸那目前我們可以最大的供水量可以達到52萬噸而且我們現在朝著多元水源的方式在開發包括一些浮流水還有\n\n07:48.770 --> 08:09.475\n台中跟雲林之間我們有一個水源調度的管線也預計會在118年完成這個完成之後每天它可以調度的水量可以再增加32萬噸所以這個水的問題是沒有問題那電的部分當然更沒有問題我們到2032年之前台灣是不缺電的部分\n\n08:09.975 --> 08:33.252\n所以我想這些這個工商發展所需要的這些基礎設施啊我們水電的部分我們經濟部都可以來提供市長說水源沒有問題可是在那個二林中科當初在開發的時候就是因為考慮到水源的問題所以才有這個開發的條件嘛在可行性評估的時候有這個\n\n08:34.493 --> 08:52.313\n限制在低耗水低耗能產業進駐這樣子的一個條件所以導致到現在二林中科如果說要去招商像台積電這些他根本就沒辦法來設廠啊所以我覺得這個好像有點就是還是有點綁手綁腳啦\n\n08:54.977 --> 09:22.580\n跟委員報告中科的二齡的園區每天的用水量是兩萬噸那這個用水計後我們已經核定了也就是說他用這個水的需求是沒有匱乏的我們可以全額來提供所以水跟電其實都沒有問題你說水跟電沒有問題那如果說假設啦如果說地方政府要去就是希望爭取台積電去那邊設置這樣有可能嗎\n\n09:23.710 --> 09:34.040\n當然台積電的這個投資以公司來說是他要去考量的可是我是要問的是我們有這個條件去爭取台積電來設設在惡靈中科嗎\n\n09:37.136 --> 09:55.176\n是當然可以去爭取只是說台積電它會有很多的評估包括這個群聚的效果知道它評估了水就是一定不夠的嘛它一定不敢來啊那我想如果真的有需要水的部分的話就是我剛剛跟委員報告的就是說那個掉度的管線如果在118年完成的話我們可以再增加32萬噸的\n\n09:56.657 --> 10:19.442\n因為我們看到台積電他要去嘉義設廠所以為了水源的問題嘉義也要設一座海淡廠那在海淡廠還沒完成之前這個用水計畫也是要從雲林來支援所以雲林也是在擔心會去排擠到他們用水的問題所以我覺得我剛提的問題次長你都\n\n10:22.183 --> 10:38.233\n都是沒有回答到重點我覺得就是說對彰化來說就是這一些條件還不是很充足所以對整個高科技產業要來發展進駐還是有它的一個限制所以對於整個彰化縣的一個產業的一個發展\n\n10:40.154 --> 10:59.483\n我覺得未來還是要從這個基本來做一個強化就是水電跟土地的部分因為土地彰化線的工業區用地也是不足的在這幾年在過去中美貿易戰開始拜登美國在拜登總統時期就很多台商回流就已經\n\n11:00.323 --> 11:19.970\n有這個土地不足工業區土地用地不足的一個問題了所以那到現在一樣還是有這樣子的問題存在所以我覺得說這些問題我們希望就是經濟部還有我們行政院主委院長這邊可以對我們彰化縣這邊多加關注跟支持這樣子\n\n11:21.255 --> 11:41.224\n委員提出的這些問題我剛剛這個次長答覆的部分是現在我們已經確定的那如果說未來有新的一個計畫我想同時都可以再考量所以水電的供應目前是沒有問題但新的計畫如果增加是不是有可能這個我們會進一步從這個各方供應的條件來做思考\n\n11:44.102 --> 12:11.303\n市長請你先回座本席再來關心一下有關智慧農業的部分剛剛院長有先回答了說彰化縣可以發展智慧農業這個也是在我們精密智慧核心裡面的其中一項智慧農業可是我覺得本席還是覺得彰化縣好像希望很渺小\n\n12:12.079 --> 12:28.517\n因為在一百應該是一百零六年的時候那時候在衛民國縣長任內因為臧蘭產業園區的開發案受到地方民眾跟環保團體的抗議之後就解編就是回歸到那個就是\n\n12:31.914 --> 12:59.242\n應該是回復到農業使用那當時的縣政府是希望爭取高科技產業能夠設置在這個地方就是張嵐高科技農業產業園區那這樣子的一個計畫那時候也有得到農糧署的一個支持那時候他們也有開了一個記者會對外來宣布可是這個計畫一直到現在好像就沒有什麼消息了\n\n13:00.946 --> 13:21.903\n我跟委員報告就是您剛才所提的就是在整個這個張南地區的這些園區裡面因為從106年開始就有不同的意見但是最後也是希望朝向智慧農業這樣的園域設置但是很可惜的就是在113年的3月間那行政院那邊開會經過國科會還有其他部會的一個評估\n\n13:25.286 --> 13:50.325\n基於兩個原因一個原因就是他的條件跟時機還不夠成熟那第二個部分是他的自償率不夠所以叫我們在適當的時間再提出來可是就我個人我認為彰化是一個值得去開發自衛農業的一個園區包括從田尾、二水、田中跟社頭這個區域這個區域其實有非常農業的特色在裡面\n\n13:50.865 --> 14:18.475\n如果結合自衛農業那絕對是可行的但是之前提的一些跟農業有關的他們是希望把土地從農業用變成工業用所以變成工業用就有非常多的環保團體會有一些抗爭但是在自衛園區如果用還是用農業用的部分透過溫室的產業去帶動自衛農業是可行的而且我已經要求我們的同仁啟動他的一個正式的一個評估\n\n14:20.151 --> 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它一定不敢來啊那我想如果真的有需要水的部分的話就是我剛剛跟委員報告的就是說那個掉度的管線如果在118年完成的話我們可以再增加32萬噸的"},{"start":596.657,"end":619.442,"text":"因為我們看到台積電他要去嘉義設廠所以為了水源的問題嘉義也要設一座海淡廠那在海淡廠還沒完成之前這個用水計畫也是要從雲林來支援所以雲林也是在擔心會去排擠到他們用水的問題所以我覺得我剛提的問題次長你都"},{"start":622.183,"end":638.233,"text":"都是沒有回答到重點我覺得就是說對彰化來說就是這一些條件還不是很充足所以對整個高科技產業要來發展進駐還是有它的一個限制所以對於整個彰化縣的一個產業的一個發展"},{"start":640.154,"end":659.483,"text":"我覺得未來還是要從這個基本來做一個強化就是水電跟土地的部分因為土地彰化線的工業區用地也是不足的在這幾年在過去中美貿易戰開始拜登美國在拜登總統時期就很多台商回流就已經"},{"start":660.323,"end":679.97,"text":"有這個土地不足工業區土地用地不足的一個問題了所以那到現在一樣還是有這樣子的問題存在所以我覺得說這些問題我們希望就是經濟部還有我們行政院主委院長這邊可以對我們彰化縣這邊多加關注跟支持這樣子"},{"start":681.255,"end":701.224,"text":"委員提出的這些問題我剛剛這個次長答覆的部分是現在我們已經確定的那如果說未來有新的一個計畫我想同時都可以再考量所以水電的供應目前是沒有問題但新的計畫如果增加是不是有可能這個我們會進一步從這個各方供應的條件來做思考"},{"start":704.102,"end":731.303,"text":"市長請你先回座本席再來關心一下有關智慧農業的部分剛剛院長有先回答了說彰化縣可以發展智慧農業這個也是在我們精密智慧核心裡面的其中一項智慧農業可是我覺得本席還是覺得彰化縣好像希望很渺小"},{"start":732.079,"end":748.517,"text":"因為在一百應該是一百零六年的時候那時候在衛民國縣長任內因為臧蘭產業園區的開發案受到地方民眾跟環保團體的抗議之後就解編就是回歸到那個就是"},{"start":751.914,"end":779.242,"text":"應該是回復到農業使用那當時的縣政府是希望爭取高科技產業能夠設置在這個地方就是張嵐高科技農業產業園區那這樣子的一個計畫那時候也有得到農糧署的一個支持那時候他們也有開了一個記者會對外來宣布可是這個計畫一直到現在好像就沒有什麼消息了"},{"start":780.946,"end":801.903,"text":"我跟委員報告就是您剛才所提的就是在整個這個張南地區的這些園區裡面因為從106年開始就有不同的意見但是最後也是希望朝向智慧農業這樣的園域設置但是很可惜的就是在113年的3月間那行政院那邊開會經過國科會還有其他部會的一個評估"},{"start":805.286,"end":830.325,"text":"基於兩個原因一個原因就是他的條件跟時機還不夠成熟那第二個部分是他的自償率不夠所以叫我們在適當的時間再提出來可是就我個人我認為彰化是一個值得去開發自衛農業的一個園區包括從田尾、二水、田中跟社頭這個區域這個區域其實有非常農業的特色在裡面"},{"start":830.865,"end":858.475,"text":"如果結合自衛農業那絕對是可行的但是之前提的一些跟農業有關的他們是希望把土地從農業用變成工業用所以變成工業用就有非常多的環保團體會有一些抗爭但是在自衛園區如果用還是用農業用的部分透過溫室的產業去帶動自衛農業是可行的而且我已經要求我們的同仁啟動他的一個正式的一個評估"},{"start":860.151,"end":874.397,"text":"目前你們的評估就是針對彰化雲林跟嘉義嗎最後會落腳在哪裡還不知道啊所以剛剛院長提到說彰化縣可以來發展這個我覺得好像也還會是未定數"},{"start":875.08,"end":898.731,"text":"不是我跟委員報告因為同樣的雲林也在爭取一些園區家業也在爭取所以我們在整體的評估不是說這三個縣選一個地方其實我們要去看整體的這個農業的園區到底要有多少個產業支持那不是說一定是三選一啦這個委員請翻譯而且以我個人來講我覺得剛才講的那幾個區位其實是蠻適合做自衛農業的"},{"start":901.897,"end":918.145,"text":"是 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