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--> 00:02:19,498\n就是我們停辦的政策將會影響到127萬的學生喝牛奶的權益請問院長這個政策之所以會出現爭議主要的原因是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:20,855 --> 00:02:39,825\n可以請牧長說明但是我是知道當時出現了一些紛擾不用到學校去如何保存如何搬運家長也有一些顧慮再來就是每個縣市每個學校做法又不見得一樣所以我們是請農業部經過很多次的調查調查內容程序是不是請部長來說\n\n8\n00:02:40,265 --> 00:02:59,205\n其實我想院長已經回答得很清楚了其實當時就是因為配套不足所以造成一些配送不然冷鏈的配置相關的配置可能不足的狀況或者是增加我們老師的一個負擔所以有一些這樣的爭議出來可是這是一個好的政策並不是錯誤的政策\n\n9\n00:02:59,665 --> 00:03:26,705\n但是是因為配套不足才會造成這樣的一個狀況那其實我們斑斑有些奶在114年度所需的經費已經編列了一半編在農業部有7.48億元一半編在教育部有7.48億元大概有15億這都是已經編列的預算了所以我在這邊要幫全國的孩童學童請命是不是能夠請中央政府請卓院長能夠\n\n10\n00:03:28,286 --> 00:03:47,341\n繼續辦理來照顧這127萬多名的學童我是認為這件如果是地方政府來舉辦的話會更直接有效因為我說過從中央送一瓶奶到每個學童的手上這個距離太遙遠地方政府用地方自治事項的精神來舉辦的話會更有效\n\n11\n00:03:47,921 --> 00:04:14,912\n院長其實我想我們這樣的一個政策停辦之後您可以看到我請辦公室有跟各縣市來詢問就是目前要延續喝牛奶政策的總共有14個縣市他們已經自籌經費來續辦那他們也都找到了怎麼讓學童喝牛奶的方法不管是給這個學童卡就是有關的這個卡去可以去超商有的是跟營養午餐業者搭配\n\n12\n00:04:15,652 --> 00:04:30,152\n甚至有的是喝飽酒乳他們有各種不同的方式另外有8個縣市也表示願意續辦但是受限於經費籌措的一個困難所以目前無法續辦也就是說22個縣市其實都希望能夠續辦\n\n13\n00:04:31,454 --> 00:05:00,655\n所以也都希望中央政府來去辦這樣的一個政策否則財源好的縣市它可以去辦但財源不足的縣市它沒有辦法去辦可是這是攸關全國學童的這樣的一個不管是它的營養或者是說它的補鈣甚至也可以幫助我們本土的落農所以我覺得解決斑斑有鮮奶的這樣的一個問題不是冒然的喊卡而是應該找出最好的一個策略\n\n14\n00:05:01,155 --> 00:05:16,443\n因為因業廢死我想是最糟糕的所以請問一下院長因為我們其實現在剛剛我講的嘛我們這今年的經費其實都已經有了那是不是可以請院長在這邊承諾我們可以由中央繼續來辦理這樣的一個好的政策\n\n15\n00:05:17,130 --> 00:05:44,740\n跟委員報告剛剛從委員的說明當中我們就知道每個縣市都有不同的做法這也是當初我們在調查的時候沒有辦法統合出來一個最有效的方式那每個縣市就堅持他們自己應該有的想法跟這個送牛奶的方式所以我們就希望說那這裡有地方自治來處理那我想我也贊同院長講的那是不是可以把這筆經費既然我們今年已經編列15億了我們就把這筆經費給地方政府讓他們因地制宜的\n\n16\n00:05:45,260 --> 00:06:03,835\n用各種配送的方式來達到這樣的一個效果可以嗎部長說一下今年的經費我跟委員報告原來編列經費那因為我們停辦了以後我們把這個經費回到我們酪農產業的一個輔導的面向也是委員所關心的我們要最重要就是讓我們的酪農產業一個升級的部分\n\n17\n00:06:04,682 --> 00:06:18,531\n那我想如果我們可以繼續的來辦理這樣一個這個鮮奶的斑斑有鮮奶的政策其實就是對落農最大的一個照顧這比說告訴他什麼產業升級啊什麼更好的方式因為這就是最實際的給他訂單他可以讓他的這個\n\n18\n00:06:20,712 --> 00:06:36,510\n所有生產乳製品都可以得到最好的一個出入又可以幫助我們全國的學童可以得到營養我覺得這是一個最好的政策那在這邊是不是能夠請院長來承諾說可以把這個這麼好的一個政策能夠讓它恢復\n\n19\n00:06:38,662 --> 00:06:51,730\n跟委員報告,其實剛才農農產業那個現在很多14個縣市已經用自己的經費在處理了對,我剛剛要講了對,那相對的就是說在後續的因為整個財劃法的部分其實農業部來講財劃法現在還沒有嘛,對不對在實施了以後就已經會開始我們現在開始已經在準備一些各個跟地方\n\n20\n00:07:00,836 --> 00:07:08,685\n部長您講的我都清楚那我還是要請教院長您同不同意既然有經費了可以讓這項好的政策在您的任內繼續辦理\n\n21\n00:07:10,718 --> 00:07:36,526\n跟委員說明我們當初就是因為繼續執行發現的困難我也認為說現在我已經剛有跟你這個表格你可以看一下地方其實都已經準備好了也有解決的方案不會再發生剛剛您講的那樣的一個狀況所以這是一個好的政策我是不是請院長可以在你的任內讓他恢復好嗎我們就來觀察地方執事的效果如何\n\n22\n00:07:36,966 --> 00:08:00,819\n我知道有幾個縣市的首長也一直用這個來跟市民做說明說他做得很好我們來觀察是不是有一套方式可以統一來做的我們再來檢討謝謝院長願意來考慮讓這個好的政策繼續執行那我們希望是好的結果那當然我有幾項三項的具體主張可以讓院長參考一下讓我們的這個政策可以繼續\n\n23\n00:08:03,134 --> 00:08:24,693\n另外再跟院長請教一下有關我們的這個農漁牧產業因為其實2024年台灣農產品輸美的出口值農產品的逆差大概達到新台幣990億元那請院長看一下這個表格就是我們對美國的這個大宗農產品是\n\n24\n00:08:25,994 --> 00:08:48,002\n蝴蝶藍還有吳郭魚是占最大宗那現在呢其實一些我們的這個漁民的業者他們也提到說美國客戶因為面臨高成本的壓力已經開始要求台灣要分攤關稅因此在美方買家的眼裡喔台灣因為沒有辦法失去這個市場所以說會要求我們\n\n25\n00:08:48,502 --> 00:09:08,613\n台灣的業者必須要分攤關稅那請問院長賴信德總統在4月18號的時候跟養殖漁業座談他強調關稅的談判絕對不會犧牲農漁民的權利那這段話我可不可以解讀成在這個談判的過程中農漁業不會有任何損失農漁民優先意思是政府\n\n26\n00:09:09,845 --> 00:09:24,673\n不變的定律所以總統那個談話也代表政府的態度跟基本原則在進行雙方談判當中我們會堅持來維護農民的最高的權利那請問一下未來的談判若有損害我們農民的權益是不是\n\n27\n00:09:25,553 --> 00:09:44,352\n會由行政院來負責由我們的政府來負責我們現在已經有產業的支持方案了我們會從各方面來協助大家開拓多元的市場國際市場甚至做自己的升級所以我剛剛請教院長的是如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話是不是會由行政院這邊來負責\n\n28\n00:09:45,745 --> 00:10:08,027\n我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們以備託的方案去做最好的談判您可不可以下這個軍令狀就是一定就是如果有損害任何的損失的話由我們的政府來負責一定要優先保障謝謝那另外就是有關這個川普他在4月17號有簽署一個最新的行政命令正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略\n\n29\n00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:29,729\n鬆綁國內的捕撈政策甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量那因為過去美國有超過九成的海鮮是依賴進口那海鮮的貿易逆差超過兩百億美元而台灣的水產品的糧食自給率大概超過百分之一百四\n\n30\n00:10:30,109 --> 00:10:46,975\n那我們是水產外銷大國如果真的如川普總統所說的要讓美國海鮮再次偉大要做全球海鮮的霸主如果到時候美國要求台灣像開放美牛美豬一般的開放美國海鮮的話那我們的旅民要怎麼生存請問針對這個部分對於台灣農業的衝擊有沒有什麼樣子的一個評估\n\n31\n00:10:51,716 --> 00:11:14,715\n我跟委員說明就是美國的海鮮優先策略其中一個是鬆綁它國內相關的監管制度對於國際貿易的部分它特別是重視非法IUU的部分還有非法勞工的部分這個部分在台灣漁業人權保障裡面的一個方案裡面已經有去落實這種IUU的一個精神那請問一下部長會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助\n\n32\n00:11:17,617 --> 00:11:35,205\n我們一定會我們持續在關切特別是我們也評估了所有的可能那如果說在在所有的後續的在貿易的上面來講我們會跟現在的支持方案一樣我們會協助我們的水產品除了進軍美國以外也會進軍到其他的高端的市場\n\n33\n00:11:36,641 --> 00:12:00,493\n針對這個部分本期也給出三項具體的建議就是可以建置產地加工出口垂直整合平台還有設立水產救助基金保障漁民以及加強地方農運會的政策參與設立回饋補償制度請院長可以參考這樣子的一個方式來幫助我們的農漁民那最後我要跟院長就教於這次我們編列的4100億的特別預算請問一下賴清德總統知情嗎\n\n34\n00:12:05,555 --> 00:12:26,700\n我們在編列特別條例的時候在適當的時間有跟總統報告過這個內容那院長因為這次你們從881最後增加到4100億元的特別預算但是卻沒有看到我們有近七成的國人所支持的普發現金一萬元也就是大概2341元的編列\n\n35\n00:12:29,241 --> 00:12:52,012\n那其實我們目前看到的不管是新加坡他發放每個人一萬九千元的鄰里購物券還有澳門向永久居民每人發放大概台幣四萬元的這個現金就是希望這個是照顧人民最快速而且最直接幫助人民的方式那請問一下為什麼不把這個部分編入我們的特別預算\n\n36\n00:12:52,688 --> 00:13:10,809\n不同國家每個政府都有他施政的邏輯跟考量我認為現在我們把國家的資源能夠集中起來對產業做支持讓國土安全能夠強化是不是因為這是國民黨提的所以民進黨就不做呢我昨天說過\n\n37\n00:13:11,650 --> 00:13:29,796\n把一萬塊錢發給所有的人不如我們把五千塊發給手中沒有五千塊的人對於每個民眾來說我可以拿到一萬塊的現金我可以去擴大我的消費也可以刺激消費其實這是最直接幫助人民的方式我們把它聚沙成塔累積起來我們可以用國家的力量\n\n38\n00:13:30,336 --> 00:13:57,963\n去做更多的國家基本建設還是建議這個七成的民意是希望這樣還是建議院長一定要考慮這樣子不要讓大家認為說我們行政院不照顧人民民進黨不照顧人民那請院長再看一下這個表格就是行政院提出的這個預算總共分為七大項而預計預算法這四項的狀況下可以提出特別預算請問院長這個表格中屬於特別預算規定的有哪幾項\n\n39\n00:14:00,287 --> 00:14:01,249\n那表格請放出來其中國土韌性跟波普台電這兩項\n\n40\n00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:31,427\n其實跟剛剛出的事項有關嗎其實多普台電也是我們在這次多次的產業座談會當中每個產業都希望電費不要再調漲那如果要電費不調漲健全台電的財政狀況是一個先決的條件能夠讓台電財政健全台電多比1000億已經被立法院否決了所以這個時候\n\n41\n00:14:33,208 --> 00:14:58,877\n再提出來只會讓我們覺得是不是你們又要下鄉去宣講和造謠說我們不願意這個讓警眾院來照顧一方面受到關稅的衝擊一方面又要受到電費可能漲價的影響所以我們把它降低成本的衝擊然後另外就是國土的韌性的一千五百億到底包含哪些計畫為什麼不在年度預算編列\n\n42\n00:15:01,209 --> 00:15:29,108\n有很多是跨年度的我們這個特別條例它的執行的年度到116年的12月31號是兩年九個月左右的時間所以它是跨年度的用單一年度的預算無法來執行我想特別預算不是民進黨的提款機特別預算也不是特別好挪用特別難監督都要經過合法的程序我們希望人民的每一分錢我們都要好好的善盡責任我們會把關好每一分錢每一分血汗錢我們一毛不該\n\n43\n00:15:33,083 --> 00:15:44,956\n好謝謝徐域珍委員質詢謝謝卓院長各部會首長的備詢也謝謝柯志恩委員從早上一起參與今天的總質詢非常感謝報告委員會我們上午的質詢到此為止\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11848\t16111\t謝謝主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢許文豪卓院長好院長請問一下您今天喝鮮奶了嗎\n30819\t44370\t一向不喝奶像不喝鮮奶那我今天特別從雲林的產地直送了雲林的鮮奶要請這個院長嘗看看如果您喝的時候你一定會喜歡的\n65265\t87900\t立法院長的馬上撲送我想請教一下院長其實在去年九月到十二月當時我們有推了一個斑斑有先來的政策當時推出這樣的政策其實大家都覺得這是一個很好的政策尤其是也編列了四年四十四億的預算要來執行\n89201\t104269\t那當然除了可以照顧我們因為因應我們的這個紐西蘭進口零關所以從今年開始那除了可以照顧我們在地的落農也可以讓我們的孩子可以享用好的這個牛奶在地的牛奶除了可以補鈣\n105249\t127724\t還有搭配食農教育那尤其比照我們鄰近的日本來說日本就是因為推動斑斑有些奶所以他們的男生的身高平均增加了9公分所以我覺得這是一個非常好的政策那請問一下院長在去年12月18號您就宣布下學期停辦我們可以請院長看一下這個表格\n128504\t139498\t就是我們停辦的政策將會影響到127萬的學生喝牛奶的權益請問院長這個政策之所以會出現爭議主要的原因是什麼\n140855\t159825\t可以請牧長說明但是我是知道當時出現了一些紛擾不用到學校去如何保存如何搬運家長也有一些顧慮再來就是每個縣市每個學校做法又不見得一樣所以我們是請農業部經過很多次的調查調查內容程序是不是請部長來說\n160265\t179205\t其實我想院長已經回答得很清楚了其實當時就是因為配套不足所以造成一些配送不然冷鏈的配置相關的配置可能不足的狀況或者是增加我們老師的一個負擔所以有一些這樣的爭議出來可是這是一個好的政策並不是錯誤的政策\n179665\t206705\t但是是因為配套不足才會造成這樣的一個狀況那其實我們斑斑有些奶在114年度所需的經費已經編列了一半編在農業部有7.48億元一半編在教育部有7.48億元大概有15億這都是已經編列的預算了所以我在這邊要幫全國的孩童學童請命是不是能夠請中央政府請卓院長能夠\n208286\t227341\t繼續辦理來照顧這127萬多名的學童我是認為這件如果是地方政府來舉辦的話會更直接有效因為我說過從中央送一瓶奶到每個學童的手上這個距離太遙遠地方政府用地方自治事項的精神來舉辦的話會更有效\n227921\t254912\t院長其實我想我們這樣的一個政策停辦之後您可以看到我請辦公室有跟各縣市來詢問就是目前要延續喝牛奶政策的總共有14個縣市他們已經自籌經費來續辦那他們也都找到了怎麼讓學童喝牛奶的方法不管是給這個學童卡就是有關的這個卡去可以去超商有的是跟營養午餐業者搭配\n255652\t270152\t甚至有的是喝飽酒乳他們有各種不同的方式另外有8個縣市也表示願意續辦但是受限於經費籌措的一個困難所以目前無法續辦也就是說22個縣市其實都希望能夠續辦\n271454\t300655\t所以也都希望中央政府來去辦這樣的一個政策否則財源好的縣市它可以去辦但財源不足的縣市它沒有辦法去辦可是這是攸關全國學童的這樣的一個不管是它的營養或者是說它的補鈣甚至也可以幫助我們本土的落農所以我覺得解決斑斑有鮮奶的這樣的一個問題不是冒然的喊卡而是應該找出最好的一個策略\n301155\t316443\t因為因業廢死我想是最糟糕的所以請問一下院長因為我們其實現在剛剛我講的嘛我們這今年的經費其實都已經有了那是不是可以請院長在這邊承諾我們可以由中央繼續來辦理這樣的一個好的政策\n317130\t344740\t跟委員報告剛剛從委員的說明當中我們就知道每個縣市都有不同的做法這也是當初我們在調查的時候沒有辦法統合出來一個最有效的方式那每個縣市就堅持他們自己應該有的想法跟這個送牛奶的方式所以我們就希望說那這裡有地方自治來處理那我想我也贊同院長講的那是不是可以把這筆經費既然我們今年已經編列15億了我們就把這筆經費給地方政府讓他們因地制宜的\n345260\t363835\t用各種配送的方式來達到這樣的一個效果可以嗎部長說一下今年的經費我跟委員報告原來編列經費那因為我們停辦了以後我們把這個經費回到我們酪農產業的一個輔導的面向也是委員所關心的我們要最重要就是讓我們的酪農產業一個升級的部分\n364682\t378531\t那我想如果我們可以繼續的來辦理這樣一個這個鮮奶的斑斑有鮮奶的政策其實就是對落農最大的一個照顧這比說告訴他什麼產業升級啊什麼更好的方式因為這就是最實際的給他訂單他可以讓他的這個\n380712\t396510\t所有生產乳製品都可以得到最好的一個出入又可以幫助我們全國的學童可以得到營養我覺得這是一個最好的政策那在這邊是不是能夠請院長來承諾說可以把這個這麼好的一個政策能夠讓它恢復\n398662\t411730\t跟委員報告,其實剛才農農產業那個現在很多14個縣市已經用自己的經費在處理了對,我剛剛要講了對,那相對的就是說在後續的因為整個財劃法的部分其實農業部來講財劃法現在還沒有嘛,對不對在實施了以後就已經會開始我們現在開始已經在準備一些各個跟地方\n420836\t428685\t部長您講的我都清楚那我還是要請教院長您同不同意既然有經費了可以讓這項好的政策在您的任內繼續辦理\n430718\t456526\t跟委員說明我們當初就是因為繼續執行發現的困難我也認為說現在我已經剛有跟你這個表格你可以看一下地方其實都已經準備好了也有解決的方案不會再發生剛剛您講的那樣的一個狀況所以這是一個好的政策我是不是請院長可以在你的任內讓他恢復好嗎我們就來觀察地方執事的效果如何\n456966\t480819\t我知道有幾個縣市的首長也一直用這個來跟市民做說明說他做得很好我們來觀察是不是有一套方式可以統一來做的我們再來檢討謝謝院長願意來考慮讓這個好的政策繼續執行那我們希望是好的結果那當然我有幾項三項的具體主張可以讓院長參考一下讓我們的這個政策可以繼續\n483134\t504693\t另外再跟院長請教一下有關我們的這個農漁牧產業因為其實2024年台灣農產品輸美的出口值農產品的逆差大概達到新台幣990億元那請院長看一下這個表格就是我們對美國的這個大宗農產品是\n505994\t528002\t蝴蝶藍還有吳郭魚是占最大宗那現在呢其實一些我們的這個漁民的業者他們也提到說美國客戶因為面臨高成本的壓力已經開始要求台灣要分攤關稅因此在美方買家的眼裡喔台灣因為沒有辦法失去這個市場所以說會要求我們\n528502\t548613\t台灣的業者必須要分攤關稅那請問院長賴信德總統在4月18號的時候跟養殖漁業座談他強調關稅的談判絕對不會犧牲農漁民的權利那這段話我可不可以解讀成在這個談判的過程中農漁業不會有任何損失農漁民優先意思是政府\n549845\t564673\t不變的定律所以總統那個談話也代表政府的態度跟基本原則在進行雙方談判當中我們會堅持來維護農民的最高的權利那請問一下未來的談判若有損害我們農民的權益是不是\n565553\t584352\t會由行政院來負責由我們的政府來負責我們現在已經有產業的支持方案了我們會從各方面來協助大家開拓多元的市場 國際市場甚至做自己的升級所以我剛剛請教院長的是如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話是不是會由行政院這邊來負責\n585745\t608027\t我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們以備託的方案去做最好的談判您可不可以下這個軍令狀就是一定就是如果有損害任何的損失的話由我們的政府來負責一定要優先保障謝謝那另外就是有關這個川普他在4月17號有簽署一個最新的行政命令正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略\n610790\t629729\t鬆綁國內的捕撈政策甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量那因為過去美國有超過九成的海鮮是依賴進口那海鮮的貿易逆差超過兩百億美元而台灣的水產品的糧食自給率大概超過百分之一百四\n630109\t646975\t那我們是水產外銷大國如果真的如川普總統所說的要讓美國海鮮再次偉大要做全球海鮮的霸主如果到時候美國要求台灣像開放美牛美豬一般的開放美國海鮮的話那我們的旅民要怎麼生存請問針對這個部分對於台灣農業的衝擊有沒有什麼樣子的一個評估\n651716\t674715\t我跟委員說明就是美國的海鮮優先策略其中一個是鬆綁它國內相關的監管制度對於國際貿易的部分它特別是重視非法IUU的部分還有非法勞工的部分這個部分在台灣漁業人權保障裡面的一個方案裡面已經有去落實這種IUU的一個精神那請問一下部長會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助\n677617\t695205\t我們一定會我們持續在關切特別是我們也評估了所有的可能那如果說在在所有的後續的在貿易的上面來講我們會跟現在的支持方案一樣我們會協助我們的水產品除了進軍美國以外也會進軍到其他的高端的市場\n696641\t720493\t針對這個部分本期也給出三項具體的建議就是可以建置產地加工出口垂直整合平台還有設立水產救助基金保障漁民以及加強地方農運會的政策參與設立回饋補償制度請院長可以參考這樣子的一個方式來幫助我們的農漁民那最後我要跟院長就教於這次我們編列的4100億的特別預算請問一下賴清德總統知情嗎\n725555\t746700\t我們在編列特別條例的時候在適當的時間有跟總統報告過這個內容那院長因為這次你們從881最後增加到4100億元的特別預算但是卻沒有看到我們有近七成的國人所支持的普發現金一萬元也就是大概2341元的編列\n749241\t772012\t那其實我們目前看到的不管是新加坡他發放每個人一萬九千元的鄰里購物券還有澳門向永久居民每人發放大概台幣四萬元的這個現金就是希望這個是照顧人民最快速而且最直接幫助人民的方式那請問一下為什麼不把這個部分編入我們的特別預算\n772688\t790809\t不同國家每個政府都有他施政的邏輯跟考量我認為現在我們把國家的資源能夠集中起來對產業做支持讓國土安全能夠強化是不是因為這是國民黨提的所以民進黨就不做呢我昨天說過\n791650\t809796\t把一萬塊錢發給所有的人不如我們把五千塊發給手中沒有五千塊的人對於每個民眾來說我可以拿到一萬塊的現金我可以去擴大我的消費也可以刺激消費其實這是最直接幫助人民的方式我們把它聚沙成塔累積起來我們可以用國家的力量\n810336\t837963\t去做更多的國家基本建設還是建議這個七成的民意是希望這樣還是建議院長一定要考慮這樣子不要讓大家認為說我們行政院不照顧人民民進黨不照顧人民那請院長再看一下這個表格就是行政院提出的這個預算總共分為七大項而預計預算法這四項的狀況下可以提出特別預算請問院長這個表格中屬於特別預算規定的有哪幾項\n840287\t841249\t那表格請放出來其中國土韌性跟波普台電這兩項\n852270\t871427\t其實跟剛剛出的事項有關嗎其實多普台電也是我們在這次多次的產業座談會當中每個產業都希望電費不要再調漲那如果要電費不調漲健全台電的財政狀況是一個先決的條件能夠讓台電財政健全台電多比1000億已經被立法院否決了所以這個時候\n873208\t898877\t再提出來 只會讓我們覺得是不是你們又要下鄉去宣講和造謠說我們不願意這個讓警眾院來照顧一方面受到關稅的衝擊一方面又要受到電費可能漲價的影響所以我們把它降低成本的衝擊然後另外就是國土的韌性的一千五百億到底包含哪些計畫為什麼不在年度預算編列\n901209\t929108\t有很多是跨年度的我們這個特別條例它的執行的年度到116年的12月31號是兩年九個月左右的時間所以它是跨年度的用單一年度的預算無法來執行我想特別預算不是民進黨的提款機特別預算也不是特別好挪用特別難監督都要經過合法的程序我們希望人民的每一分錢我們都要好好的善盡責任我們會把關好每一分錢每一分血汗錢我們一毛不該\n933083\t944956\t好 謝謝徐域珍委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢也謝謝柯志恩委員從早上一起參與今天的總質詢非常感謝報告委員會我們上午的質詢到此為止\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢許文豪卓院長好院長請問一下您今天喝鮮奶了嗎\n一向不喝奶像不喝鮮奶那我今天特別從雲林的產地直送了雲林的鮮奶要請這個院長嘗看看如果您喝的時候你一定會喜歡的\n立法院長的馬上撲送我想請教一下院長其實在去年九月到十二月當時我們有推了一個斑斑有先來的政策當時推出這樣的政策其實大家都覺得這是一個很好的政策尤其是也編列了四年四十四億的預算要來執行\n那當然除了可以照顧我們因為因應我們的這個紐西蘭進口零關所以從今年開始那除了可以照顧我們在地的落農也可以讓我們的孩子可以享用好的這個牛奶在地的牛奶除了可以補鈣\n還有搭配食農教育那尤其比照我們鄰近的日本來說日本就是因為推動斑斑有些奶所以他們的男生的身高平均增加了9公分所以我覺得這是一個非常好的政策那請問一下院長在去年12月18號您就宣布下學期停辦我們可以請院長看一下這個表格\n就是我們停辦的政策將會影響到127萬的學生喝牛奶的權益請問院長這個政策之所以會出現爭議主要的原因是什麼\n可以請牧長說明但是我是知道當時出現了一些紛擾不用到學校去如何保存如何搬運家長也有一些顧慮再來就是每個縣市每個學校做法又不見得一樣所以我們是請農業部經過很多次的調查調查內容程序是不是請部長來說\n其實我想院長已經回答得很清楚了其實當時就是因為配套不足所以造成一些配送不然冷鏈的配置相關的配置可能不足的狀況或者是增加我們老師的一個負擔所以有一些這樣的爭議出來可是這是一個好的政策並不是錯誤的政策\n但是是因為配套不足才會造成這樣的一個狀況那其實我們斑斑有些奶在114年度所需的經費已經編列了一半編在農業部有7.48億元一半編在教育部有7.48億元大概有15億這都是已經編列的預算了所以我在這邊要幫全國的孩童學童請命是不是能夠請中央政府請卓院長能夠\n繼續辦理來照顧這127萬多名的學童我是認為這件如果是地方政府來舉辦的話會更直接有效因為我說過從中央送一瓶奶到每個學童的手上這個距離太遙遠地方政府用地方自治事項的精神來舉辦的話會更有效\n院長其實我想我們這樣的一個政策停辦之後您可以看到我請辦公室有跟各縣市來詢問就是目前要延續喝牛奶政策的總共有14個縣市他們已經自籌經費來續辦那他們也都找到了怎麼讓學童喝牛奶的方法不管是給這個學童卡就是有關的這個卡去可以去超商有的是跟營養午餐業者搭配\n甚至有的是喝飽酒乳他們有各種不同的方式另外有8個縣市也表示願意續辦但是受限於經費籌措的一個困難所以目前無法續辦也就是說22個縣市其實都希望能夠續辦\n所以也都希望中央政府來去辦這樣的一個政策否則財源好的縣市它可以去辦但財源不足的縣市它沒有辦法去辦可是這是攸關全國學童的這樣的一個不管是它的營養或者是說它的補鈣甚至也可以幫助我們本土的落農所以我覺得解決斑斑有鮮奶的這樣的一個問題不是冒然的喊卡而是應該找出最好的一個策略\n因為因業廢死我想是最糟糕的所以請問一下院長因為我們其實現在剛剛我講的嘛我們這今年的經費其實都已經有了那是不是可以請院長在這邊承諾我們可以由中央繼續來辦理這樣的一個好的政策\n跟委員報告剛剛從委員的說明當中我們就知道每個縣市都有不同的做法這也是當初我們在調查的時候沒有辦法統合出來一個最有效的方式那每個縣市就堅持他們自己應該有的想法跟這個送牛奶的方式所以我們就希望說那這裡有地方自治來處理那我想我也贊同院長講的那是不是可以把這筆經費既然我們今年已經編列15億了我們就把這筆經費給地方政府讓他們因地制宜的\n用各種配送的方式來達到這樣的一個效果可以嗎部長說一下今年的經費我跟委員報告原來編列經費那因為我們停辦了以後我們把這個經費回到我們酪農產業的一個輔導的面向也是委員所關心的我們要最重要就是讓我們的酪農產業一個升級的部分\n那我想如果我們可以繼續的來辦理這樣一個這個鮮奶的斑斑有鮮奶的政策其實就是對落農最大的一個照顧這比說告訴他什麼產業升級啊什麼更好的方式因為這就是最實際的給他訂單他可以讓他的這個\n所有生產乳製品都可以得到最好的一個出入又可以幫助我們全國的學童可以得到營養我覺得這是一個最好的政策那在這邊是不是能夠請院長來承諾說可以把這個這麼好的一個政策能夠讓它恢復\n跟委員報告,其實剛才農農產業那個現在很多14個縣市已經用自己的經費在處理了對,我剛剛要講了對,那相對的就是說在後續的因為整個財劃法的部分其實農業部來講財劃法現在還沒有嘛,對不對在實施了以後就已經會開始我們現在開始已經在準備一些各個跟地方\n部長您講的我都清楚那我還是要請教院長您同不同意既然有經費了可以讓這項好的政策在您的任內繼續辦理\n跟委員說明我們當初就是因為繼續執行發現的困難我也認為說現在我已經剛有跟你這個表格你可以看一下地方其實都已經準備好了也有解決的方案不會再發生剛剛您講的那樣的一個狀況所以這是一個好的政策我是不是請院長可以在你的任內讓他恢復好嗎我們就來觀察地方執事的效果如何\n我知道有幾個縣市的首長也一直用這個來跟市民做說明說他做得很好我們來觀察是不是有一套方式可以統一來做的我們再來檢討謝謝院長願意來考慮讓這個好的政策繼續執行那我們希望是好的結果那當然我有幾項三項的具體主張可以讓院長參考一下讓我們的這個政策可以繼續\n另外再跟院長請教一下有關我們的這個農漁牧產業因為其實2024年台灣農產品輸美的出口值農產品的逆差大概達到新台幣990億元那請院長看一下這個表格就是我們對美國的這個大宗農產品是\n蝴蝶藍還有吳郭魚是占最大宗那現在呢其實一些我們的這個漁民的業者他們也提到說美國客戶因為面臨高成本的壓力已經開始要求台灣要分攤關稅因此在美方買家的眼裡喔台灣因為沒有辦法失去這個市場所以說會要求我們\n台灣的業者必須要分攤關稅那請問院長賴信德總統在4月18號的時候跟養殖漁業座談他強調關稅的談判絕對不會犧牲農漁民的權利那這段話我可不可以解讀成在這個談判的過程中農漁業不會有任何損失農漁民優先意思是政府\n不變的定律所以總統那個談話也代表政府的態度跟基本原則在進行雙方談判當中我們會堅持來維護農民的最高的權利那請問一下未來的談判若有損害我們農民的權益是不是\n會由行政院來負責由我們的政府來負責我們現在已經有產業的支持方案了我們會從各方面來協助大家開拓多元的市場 國際市場甚至做自己的升級所以我剛剛請教院長的是如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話是不是會由行政院這邊來負責\n我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們以備託的方案去做最好的談判您可不可以下這個軍令狀就是一定就是如果有損害任何的損失的話由我們的政府來負責一定要優先保障謝謝那另外就是有關這個川普他在4月17號有簽署一個最新的行政命令正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略\n鬆綁國內的捕撈政策甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量那因為過去美國有超過九成的海鮮是依賴進口那海鮮的貿易逆差超過兩百億美元而台灣的水產品的糧食自給率大概超過百分之一百四\n那我們是水產外銷大國如果真的如川普總統所說的要讓美國海鮮再次偉大要做全球海鮮的霸主如果到時候美國要求台灣像開放美牛美豬一般的開放美國海鮮的話那我們的旅民要怎麼生存請問針對這個部分對於台灣農業的衝擊有沒有什麼樣子的一個評估\n我跟委員說明就是美國的海鮮優先策略其中一個是鬆綁它國內相關的監管制度對於國際貿易的部分它特別是重視非法IUU的部分還有非法勞工的部分這個部分在台灣漁業人權保障裡面的一個方案裡面已經有去落實這種IUU的一個精神那請問一下部長會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助\n我們一定會我們持續在關切特別是我們也評估了所有的可能那如果說在在所有的後續的在貿易的上面來講我們會跟現在的支持方案一樣我們會協助我們的水產品除了進軍美國以外也會進軍到其他的高端的市場\n針對這個部分本期也給出三項具體的建議就是可以建置產地加工出口垂直整合平台還有設立水產救助基金保障漁民以及加強地方農運會的政策參與設立回饋補償制度請院長可以參考這樣子的一個方式來幫助我們的農漁民那最後我要跟院長就教於這次我們編列的4100億的特別預算請問一下賴清德總統知情嗎\n我們在編列特別條例的時候在適當的時間有跟總統報告過這個內容那院長因為這次你們從881最後增加到4100億元的特別預算但是卻沒有看到我們有近七成的國人所支持的普發現金一萬元也就是大概2341元的編列\n那其實我們目前看到的不管是新加坡他發放每個人一萬九千元的鄰里購物券還有澳門向永久居民每人發放大概台幣四萬元的這個現金就是希望這個是照顧人民最快速而且最直接幫助人民的方式那請問一下為什麼不把這個部分編入我們的特別預算\n不同國家每個政府都有他施政的邏輯跟考量我認為現在我們把國家的資源能夠集中起來對產業做支持讓國土安全能夠強化是不是因為這是國民黨提的所以民進黨就不做呢我昨天說過\n把一萬塊錢發給所有的人不如我們把五千塊發給手中沒有五千塊的人對於每個民眾來說我可以拿到一萬塊的現金我可以去擴大我的消費也可以刺激消費其實這是最直接幫助人民的方式我們把它聚沙成塔累積起來我們可以用國家的力量\n去做更多的國家基本建設還是建議這個七成的民意是希望這樣還是建議院長一定要考慮這樣子不要讓大家認為說我們行政院不照顧人民民進黨不照顧人民那請院長再看一下這個表格就是行政院提出的這個預算總共分為七大項而預計預算法這四項的狀況下可以提出特別預算請問院長這個表格中屬於特別預算規定的有哪幾項\n那表格請放出來其中國土韌性跟波普台電這兩項\n其實跟剛剛出的事項有關嗎其實多普台電也是我們在這次多次的產業座談會當中每個產業都希望電費不要再調漲那如果要電費不調漲健全台電的財政狀況是一個先決的條件能夠讓台電財政健全台電多比1000億已經被立法院否決了所以這個時候\n再提出來 只會讓我們覺得是不是你們又要下鄉去宣講和造謠說我們不願意這個讓警眾院來照顧一方面受到關稅的衝擊一方面又要受到電費可能漲價的影響所以我們把它降低成本的衝擊然後另外就是國土的韌性的一千五百億到底包含哪些計畫為什麼不在年度預算編列\n有很多是跨年度的我們這個特別條例它的執行的年度到116年的12月31號是兩年九個月左右的時間所以它是跨年度的用單一年度的預算無法來執行我想特別預算不是民進黨的提款機特別預算也不是特別好挪用特別難監督都要經過合法的程序我們希望人民的每一分錢我們都要好好的善盡責任我們會把關好每一分錢每一分血汗錢我們一毛不該\n好 謝謝徐域珍委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢也謝謝柯志恩委員從早上一起參與今天的總質詢非常感謝報告委員會我們上午的質詢到此為止\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.848 --> 00:16.111\n謝謝主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢許文豪卓院長好院長請問一下您今天喝鮮奶了嗎\n\n00:30.819 --> 00:44.370\n一向不喝奶像不喝鮮奶那我今天特別從雲林的產地直送了雲林的鮮奶要請這個院長嘗看看如果您喝的時候你一定會喜歡的\n\n01:05.265 --> 01:27.900\n立法院長的馬上撲送我想請教一下院長其實在去年九月到十二月當時我們有推了一個斑斑有先來的政策當時推出這樣的政策其實大家都覺得這是一個很好的政策尤其是也編列了四年四十四億的預算要來執行\n\n01:29.201 --> 01:44.269\n那當然除了可以照顧我們因為因應我們的這個紐西蘭進口零關所以從今年開始那除了可以照顧我們在地的落農也可以讓我們的孩子可以享用好的這個牛奶在地的牛奶除了可以補鈣\n\n01:45.249 --> 02:07.724\n還有搭配食農教育那尤其比照我們鄰近的日本來說日本就是因為推動斑斑有些奶所以他們的男生的身高平均增加了9公分所以我覺得這是一個非常好的政策那請問一下院長在去年12月18號您就宣布下學期停辦我們可以請院長看一下這個表格\n\n02:08.504 --> 02:19.498\n就是我們停辦的政策將會影響到127萬的學生喝牛奶的權益請問院長這個政策之所以會出現爭議主要的原因是什麼\n\n02:20.855 --> 02:39.825\n可以請牧長說明但是我是知道當時出現了一些紛擾不用到學校去如何保存如何搬運家長也有一些顧慮再來就是每個縣市每個學校做法又不見得一樣所以我們是請農業部經過很多次的調查調查內容程序是不是請部長來說\n\n02:40.265 --> 02:59.205\n其實我想院長已經回答得很清楚了其實當時就是因為配套不足所以造成一些配送不然冷鏈的配置相關的配置可能不足的狀況或者是增加我們老師的一個負擔所以有一些這樣的爭議出來可是這是一個好的政策並不是錯誤的政策\n\n02:59.665 --> 03:26.705\n但是是因為配套不足才會造成這樣的一個狀況那其實我們斑斑有些奶在114年度所需的經費已經編列了一半編在農業部有7.48億元一半編在教育部有7.48億元大概有15億這都是已經編列的預算了所以我在這邊要幫全國的孩童學童請命是不是能夠請中央政府請卓院長能夠\n\n03:28.286 --> 03:47.341\n繼續辦理來照顧這127萬多名的學童我是認為這件如果是地方政府來舉辦的話會更直接有效因為我說過從中央送一瓶奶到每個學童的手上這個距離太遙遠地方政府用地方自治事項的精神來舉辦的話會更有效\n\n03:47.921 --> 04:14.912\n院長其實我想我們這樣的一個政策停辦之後您可以看到我請辦公室有跟各縣市來詢問就是目前要延續喝牛奶政策的總共有14個縣市他們已經自籌經費來續辦那他們也都找到了怎麼讓學童喝牛奶的方法不管是給這個學童卡就是有關的這個卡去可以去超商有的是跟營養午餐業者搭配\n\n04:15.652 --> 04:30.152\n甚至有的是喝飽酒乳他們有各種不同的方式另外有8個縣市也表示願意續辦但是受限於經費籌措的一個困難所以目前無法續辦也就是說22個縣市其實都希望能夠續辦\n\n04:31.454 --> 05:00.655\n所以也都希望中央政府來去辦這樣的一個政策否則財源好的縣市它可以去辦但財源不足的縣市它沒有辦法去辦可是這是攸關全國學童的這樣的一個不管是它的營養或者是說它的補鈣甚至也可以幫助我們本土的落農所以我覺得解決斑斑有鮮奶的這樣的一個問題不是冒然的喊卡而是應該找出最好的一個策略\n\n05:01.155 --> 05:16.443\n因為因業廢死我想是最糟糕的所以請問一下院長因為我們其實現在剛剛我講的嘛我們這今年的經費其實都已經有了那是不是可以請院長在這邊承諾我們可以由中央繼續來辦理這樣的一個好的政策\n\n05:17.130 --> 05:44.740\n跟委員報告剛剛從委員的說明當中我們就知道每個縣市都有不同的做法這也是當初我們在調查的時候沒有辦法統合出來一個最有效的方式那每個縣市就堅持他們自己應該有的想法跟這個送牛奶的方式所以我們就希望說那這裡有地方自治來處理那我想我也贊同院長講的那是不是可以把這筆經費既然我們今年已經編列15億了我們就把這筆經費給地方政府讓他們因地制宜的\n\n05:45.260 --> 06:03.835\n用各種配送的方式來達到這樣的一個效果可以嗎部長說一下今年的經費我跟委員報告原來編列經費那因為我們停辦了以後我們把這個經費回到我們酪農產業的一個輔導的面向也是委員所關心的我們要最重要就是讓我們的酪農產業一個升級的部分\n\n06:04.682 --> 06:18.531\n那我想如果我們可以繼續的來辦理這樣一個這個鮮奶的斑斑有鮮奶的政策其實就是對落農最大的一個照顧這比說告訴他什麼產業升級啊什麼更好的方式因為這就是最實際的給他訂單他可以讓他的這個\n\n06:20.712 --> 06:36.510\n所有生產乳製品都可以得到最好的一個出入又可以幫助我們全國的學童可以得到營養我覺得這是一個最好的政策那在這邊是不是能夠請院長來承諾說可以把這個這麼好的一個政策能夠讓它恢復\n\n06:38.662 --> 06:51.730\n跟委員報告,其實剛才農農產業那個現在很多14個縣市已經用自己的經費在處理了對,我剛剛要講了對,那相對的就是說在後續的因為整個財劃法的部分其實農業部來講財劃法現在還沒有嘛,對不對在實施了以後就已經會開始我們現在開始已經在準備一些各個跟地方\n\n07:00.836 --> 07:08.685\n部長您講的我都清楚那我還是要請教院長您同不同意既然有經費了可以讓這項好的政策在您的任內繼續辦理\n\n07:10.718 --> 07:36.526\n跟委員說明我們當初就是因為繼續執行發現的困難我也認為說現在我已經剛有跟你這個表格你可以看一下地方其實都已經準備好了也有解決的方案不會再發生剛剛您講的那樣的一個狀況所以這是一個好的政策我是不是請院長可以在你的任內讓他恢復好嗎我們就來觀察地方執事的效果如何\n\n07:36.966 --> 08:00.819\n我知道有幾個縣市的首長也一直用這個來跟市民做說明說他做得很好我們來觀察是不是有一套方式可以統一來做的我們再來檢討謝謝院長願意來考慮讓這個好的政策繼續執行那我們希望是好的結果那當然我有幾項三項的具體主張可以讓院長參考一下讓我們的這個政策可以繼續\n\n08:03.134 --> 08:24.693\n另外再跟院長請教一下有關我們的這個農漁牧產業因為其實2024年台灣農產品輸美的出口值農產品的逆差大概達到新台幣990億元那請院長看一下這個表格就是我們對美國的這個大宗農產品是\n\n08:25.994 --> 08:48.002\n蝴蝶藍還有吳郭魚是占最大宗那現在呢其實一些我們的這個漁民的業者他們也提到說美國客戶因為面臨高成本的壓力已經開始要求台灣要分攤關稅因此在美方買家的眼裡喔台灣因為沒有辦法失去這個市場所以說會要求我們\n\n08:48.502 --> 09:08.613\n台灣的業者必須要分攤關稅那請問院長賴信德總統在4月18號的時候跟養殖漁業座談他強調關稅的談判絕對不會犧牲農漁民的權利那這段話我可不可以解讀成在這個談判的過程中農漁業不會有任何損失農漁民優先意思是政府\n\n09:09.845 --> 09:24.673\n不變的定律所以總統那個談話也代表政府的態度跟基本原則在進行雙方談判當中我們會堅持來維護農民的最高的權利那請問一下未來的談判若有損害我們農民的權益是不是\n\n09:25.553 --> 09:44.352\n會由行政院來負責由我們的政府來負責我們現在已經有產業的支持方案了我們會從各方面來協助大家開拓多元的市場國際市場甚至做自己的升級所以我剛剛請教院長的是如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話是不是會由行政院這邊來負責\n\n09:45.745 --> 10:08.027\n我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們以備託的方案去做最好的談判您可不可以下這個軍令狀就是一定就是如果有損害任何的損失的話由我們的政府來負責一定要優先保障謝謝那另外就是有關這個川普他在4月17號有簽署一個最新的行政命令正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略\n\n10:10.790 --> 10:29.729\n鬆綁國內的捕撈政策甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量那因為過去美國有超過九成的海鮮是依賴進口那海鮮的貿易逆差超過兩百億美元而台灣的水產品的糧食自給率大概超過百分之一百四\n\n10:30.109 --> 10:46.975\n那我們是水產外銷大國如果真的如川普總統所說的要讓美國海鮮再次偉大要做全球海鮮的霸主如果到時候美國要求台灣像開放美牛美豬一般的開放美國海鮮的話那我們的旅民要怎麼生存請問針對這個部分對於台灣農業的衝擊有沒有什麼樣子的一個評估\n\n10:51.716 --> 11:14.715\n我跟委員說明就是美國的海鮮優先策略其中一個是鬆綁它國內相關的監管制度對於國際貿易的部分它特別是重視非法IUU的部分還有非法勞工的部分這個部分在台灣漁業人權保障裡面的一個方案裡面已經有去落實這種IUU的一個精神那請問一下部長會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助\n\n11:17.617 --> 11:35.205\n我們一定會我們持續在關切特別是我們也評估了所有的可能那如果說在在所有的後續的在貿易的上面來講我們會跟現在的支持方案一樣我們會協助我們的水產品除了進軍美國以外也會進軍到其他的高端的市場\n\n11:36.641 --> 12:00.493\n針對這個部分本期也給出三項具體的建議就是可以建置產地加工出口垂直整合平台還有設立水產救助基金保障漁民以及加強地方農運會的政策參與設立回饋補償制度請院長可以參考這樣子的一個方式來幫助我們的農漁民那最後我要跟院長就教於這次我們編列的4100億的特別預算請問一下賴清德總統知情嗎\n\n12:05.555 --> 12:26.700\n我們在編列特別條例的時候在適當的時間有跟總統報告過這個內容那院長因為這次你們從881最後增加到4100億元的特別預算但是卻沒有看到我們有近七成的國人所支持的普發現金一萬元也就是大概2341元的編列\n\n12:29.241 --> 12:52.012\n那其實我們目前看到的不管是新加坡他發放每個人一萬九千元的鄰里購物券還有澳門向永久居民每人發放大概台幣四萬元的這個現金就是希望這個是照顧人民最快速而且最直接幫助人民的方式那請問一下為什麼不把這個部分編入我們的特別預算\n\n12:52.688 --> 13:10.809\n不同國家每個政府都有他施政的邏輯跟考量我認為現在我們把國家的資源能夠集中起來對產業做支持讓國土安全能夠強化是不是因為這是國民黨提的所以民進黨就不做呢我昨天說過\n\n13:11.650 --> 13:29.796\n把一萬塊錢發給所有的人不如我們把五千塊發給手中沒有五千塊的人對於每個民眾來說我可以拿到一萬塊的現金我可以去擴大我的消費也可以刺激消費其實這是最直接幫助人民的方式我們把它聚沙成塔累積起來我們可以用國家的力量\n\n13:30.336 --> 13:57.963\n去做更多的國家基本建設還是建議這個七成的民意是希望這樣還是建議院長一定要考慮這樣子不要讓大家認為說我們行政院不照顧人民民進黨不照顧人民那請院長再看一下這個表格就是行政院提出的這個預算總共分為七大項而預計預算法這四項的狀況下可以提出特別預算請問院長這個表格中屬於特別預算規定的有哪幾項\n\n14:00.287 --> 14:01.249\n那表格請放出來其中國土韌性跟波普台電這兩項\n\n14:12.270 --> 14:31.427\n其實跟剛剛出的事項有關嗎其實多普台電也是我們在這次多次的產業座談會當中每個產業都希望電費不要再調漲那如果要電費不調漲健全台電的財政狀況是一個先決的條件能夠讓台電財政健全台電多比1000億已經被立法院否決了所以這個時候\n\n14:33.208 --> 14:58.877\n再提出來只會讓我們覺得是不是你們又要下鄉去宣講和造謠說我們不願意這個讓警眾院來照顧一方面受到關稅的衝擊一方面又要受到電費可能漲價的影響所以我們把它降低成本的衝擊然後另外就是國土的韌性的一千五百億到底包含哪些計畫為什麼不在年度預算編列\n\n15:01.209 --> 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國際市場甚至做自己的升級所以我剛剛請教院長的是如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話是不是會由行政院這邊來負責"},{"start":585.745,"end":608.027,"text":"我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們以備託的方案去做最好的談判您可不可以下這個軍令狀就是一定就是如果有損害任何的損失的話由我們的政府來負責一定要優先保障謝謝那另外就是有關這個川普他在4月17號有簽署一個最新的行政命令正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略"},{"start":610.79,"end":629.729,"text":"鬆綁國內的捕撈政策甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量那因為過去美國有超過九成的海鮮是依賴進口那海鮮的貿易逆差超過兩百億美元而台灣的水產品的糧食自給率大概超過百分之一百四"},{"start":630.109,"end":646.975,"text":"那我們是水產外銷大國如果真的如川普總統所說的要讓美國海鮮再次偉大要做全球海鮮的霸主如果到時候美國要求台灣像開放美牛美豬一般的開放美國海鮮的話那我們的旅民要怎麼生存請問針對這個部分對於台灣農業的衝擊有沒有什麼樣子的一個評估"},{"start":651.716,"end":674.715,"text":"我跟委員說明就是美國的海鮮優先策略其中一個是鬆綁它國內相關的監管制度對於國際貿易的部分它特別是重視非法IUU的部分還有非法勞工的部分這個部分在台灣漁業人權保障裡面的一個方案裡面已經有去落實這種IUU的一個精神那請問一下部長會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助"},{"start":677.617,"end":695.205,"text":"我們一定會我們持續在關切特別是我們也評估了所有的可能那如果說在在所有的後續的在貿易的上面來講我們會跟現在的支持方案一樣我們會協助我們的水產品除了進軍美國以外也會進軍到其他的高端的市場"},{"start":696.641,"end":720.493,"text":"針對這個部分本期也給出三項具體的建議就是可以建置產地加工出口垂直整合平台還有設立水產救助基金保障漁民以及加強地方農運會的政策參與設立回饋補償制度請院長可以參考這樣子的一個方式來幫助我們的農漁民那最後我要跟院長就教於這次我們編列的4100億的特別預算請問一下賴清德總統知情嗎"},{"start":725.555,"end":746.7,"text":"我們在編列特別條例的時候在適當的時間有跟總統報告過這個內容那院長因為這次你們從881最後增加到4100億元的特別預算但是卻沒有看到我們有近七成的國人所支持的普發現金一萬元也就是大概2341元的編列"},{"start":749.241,"end":772.012,"text":"那其實我們目前看到的不管是新加坡他發放每個人一萬九千元的鄰里購物券還有澳門向永久居民每人發放大概台幣四萬元的這個現金就是希望這個是照顧人民最快速而且最直接幫助人民的方式那請問一下為什麼不把這個部分編入我們的特別預算"},{"start":772.688,"end":790.809,"text":"不同國家每個政府都有他施政的邏輯跟考量我認為現在我們把國家的資源能夠集中起來對產業做支持讓國土安全能夠強化是不是因為這是國民黨提的所以民進黨就不做呢我昨天說過"},{"start":791.65,"end":809.796,"text":"把一萬塊錢發給所有的人不如我們把五千塊發給手中沒有五千塊的人對於每個民眾來說我可以拿到一萬塊的現金我可以去擴大我的消費也可以刺激消費其實這是最直接幫助人民的方式我們把它聚沙成塔累積起來我們可以用國家的力量"},{"start":810.336,"end":837.963,"text":"去做更多的國家基本建設還是建議這個七成的民意是希望這樣還是建議院長一定要考慮這樣子不要讓大家認為說我們行政院不照顧人民民進黨不照顧人民那請院長再看一下這個表格就是行政院提出的這個預算總共分為七大項而預計預算法這四項的狀況下可以提出特別預算請問院長這個表格中屬於特別預算規定的有哪幾項"},{"start":840.287,"end":841.249,"text":"那表格請放出來其中國土韌性跟波普台電這兩項"},{"start":852.27,"end":871.427,"text":"其實跟剛剛出的事項有關嗎其實多普台電也是我們在這次多次的產業座談會當中每個產業都希望電費不要再調漲那如果要電費不調漲健全台電的財政狀況是一個先決的條件能夠讓台電財政健全台電多比1000億已經被立法院否決了所以這個時候"},{"start":873.208,"end":898.877,"text":"再提出來 只會讓我們覺得是不是你們又要下鄉去宣講和造謠說我們不願意這個讓警眾院來照顧一方面受到關稅的衝擊一方面又要受到電費可能漲價的影響所以我們把它降低成本的衝擊然後另外就是國土的韌性的一千五百億到底包含哪些計畫為什麼不在年度預算編列"},{"start":901.209,"end":929.108,"text":"有很多是跨年度的我們這個特別條例它的執行的年度到116年的12月31號是兩年九個月左右的時間所以它是跨年度的用單一年度的預算無法來執行我想特別預算不是民進黨的提款機特別預算也不是特別好挪用特別難監督都要經過合法的程序我們希望人民的每一分錢我們都要好好的善盡責任我們會把關好每一分錢每一分血汗錢我們一毛不該"},{"start":933.083,"end":944.956,"text":"好 謝謝徐域珍委員質詢謝謝卓院長 各部會首長的備詢也謝謝柯志恩委員從早上一起參與今天的總質詢非常感謝報告委員會我們上午的質詢到此為止"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":1225,"blocks":[["許委員宇甄：（11時54分）謝謝主席，我們請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：許委員好。"],["許委員宇甄：卓院長好。院長，請問一下，您今天喝鮮奶了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我一向不喝鮮奶。"],["許委員宇甄：一向不喝鮮奶喔？我今天特別從雲林的產地直送雲林的鮮奶，要請院長嚐看看，如果您喝了之後，你一定會喜歡的。"],["主席：立法院長的……"],["許委員宇甄：立法院長的馬上補送。","我想請教一下院長，其實去年9月到12月我們有推一個班班有鮮奶的政策，當時推出這樣的政策，其實大家都覺得這是一個很好的政策，尤其也編列了4年44億的預算要來執行，當然為因應紐西蘭進口零關稅從今年開始，除了可以照顧我們在地的酪農，也讓我們的孩子可以享用好的牛奶、在地的牛奶，除了可以補鈣，還有搭配食農教育，尤其比照我們鄰近的日本來說，日本就是因為推動班班有鮮奶，所以他們男生的身高平均增加了9公分，因此我覺得這是一個非常好的政策。請問一下院長，您在去年12月18號就宣布下學期停辦，請院長看一下這個表格，就是我們停辦這個政策將會影響到127萬名學生喝牛奶的權益。請問院長，這個政策之所以會出現爭議，主要的原因是什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：可以請陳部長說明，但是我知道當時出現了一些紛擾……"],["許委員宇甄：配套不足。"],["卓院長榮泰：比方說到學校去，如何保存、如何搬運？家長也有一些顧慮，再來就是每個縣市、每個學校的作法又不見得一樣，所以我們是請農業部經過很多次的調查，調查的內容、程序是不是請部長來說明？"],["許委員宇甄：我想院長已經回答得很清楚了，其實當時就是因為配套不足，所以造成一些配送，不管是冷鏈的配置、相關的配置可能不足的狀況，或者是增加我們老師的負擔，所以有一些這樣的爭議出來。可是這是一個好的政策，並不是錯誤的政策，但是因為配套不足，才會造成這樣的狀況。其實我們班班有鮮奶在114年度所需的經費已經編列了，一半編在農業部，有7.48億元，一半編在教育部，有7.48億元，大概有15億，這都是已經編列的預算了，所以我在這邊要幫全國的孩童、學童請命，是不是能夠請中央政府、請卓院長能夠繼續辦理來照顧這一百二十七萬多名的學童？"],["卓院長榮泰：我認為這件事如果是地方政府來舉辦的話會更直接、有效，因為我說過，從中央送1瓶奶到每個學童的手上，這個距離太遙遠，地方政府用地方自治事項的精神來舉辦的話會更有效。"],["許委員宇甄：院長，我想我們這樣一個政策停辦之後，您可以看到，我請我們辦公室向各縣市詢問，目前要延續喝牛奶政策的總共有14個縣市，他們已經自籌經費來續辦，他們也都找到怎麼讓學童喝牛奶的方法，不管是給學童卡，就是憑有關的卡可以去超商兌換，有的是跟營養午餐業者搭配，甚至有的是喝保久乳，他們有各種不同的方式，另外有8個縣市也表示願意續辦，但是受限於經費籌措困難，所以目前無法續辦。也就是說，22個縣市其實都希望能夠續辦，所以也都希望中央政府來續辦這樣一個政策，否則財源好的縣市可以續辦，但財源不足的縣市則沒有辦法續辦，可是這是攸關全國學童，不管是他的營養或者是他的補鈣，甚至也可以幫助我們本土的酪農。所以我覺得解決班班有鮮奶這樣一個問題，不是貿然的喊卡，而是應該找出最好的策略，因為因噎廢食我想是最糟糕的。所以請問一下院長，其實剛剛我講了，我們今年的經費其實都已經有了，是不是可以請院長在這邊承諾，我們可以由中央繼續來辦理這樣一個好的政策？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，從剛剛委員的說明當中我們就知道，每個縣市都有不同的作法，這也是當初我們在調查的時候，沒有辦法統合出一個最有效的方式，每個縣市又堅持他們自己應該有的想法跟送牛奶的方式，所以我們就希望這個由地方自治來處理。"],["許委員宇甄：對。我想我也贊同院長講的，是不是可以把這筆經費，既然我們今年已經編列15億了，我們就把這筆經費給地方政府，讓他們因地制宜用各種配送方式來達到這樣一個效果，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：請部長說一下今年的經費。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，原來編列的經費，因為我們停辦以後，我們把這個經費回到酪農產業一個輔導的面向，也是委員所關心的，最重要就是讓我們酪農產業升級的部分。"],["許委員宇甄：對。我想如果我們可以繼續辦理這個班班有鮮奶的政策，其實就是對酪農最大的照顧，這會是比告訴他們產業升級還更好的方式，因為這就是最實際地給他們訂單，讓他們生產的所有乳製品都可以得到最好的出路，又可以幫助我們全國學童可以得到營養，我覺得這是一個最好的政策。"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員報告……"],["許委員宇甄：在這邊是不是能夠請院長承諾可以把一個這麼好的政策讓它恢復？"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，其實關於酪農產業，現在有14個縣市已經用自己的經費在處理了。"],["許委員宇甄：對，我剛剛有講了。"],["陳部長駿季：相對的就是在後續……"],["許委員宇甄：還有8個縣市沒有經費處理。"],["陳部長駿季：因為整個財劃法的部分，其實農業部來講……"],["許委員宇甄：財劃法現在還沒有嘛，對不對？雖然已經公告，但目前還沒有通過。"],["陳部長駿季：在實施了以後，我們現在已經在開始準備一些跟各個地方……"],["許委員宇甄：部長，您講的我都清楚。我還是要請教院長，您同不同意，既然有經費了，可以讓這項好的政策在您的任內繼續辦理？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員說明，我們當初就是因為繼續執行發現了困難，我也認為……"],["許委員宇甄：不過，剛剛我已經說了，這個表格您可以看一下，地方其實都已經準備好了，也有解決的方案，不會再發生剛剛您講的那樣一個狀況。"],["卓院長榮泰：那我們就來……"],["許委員宇甄：所以這是一個好的政策，我是不是請院長可以在你的任內讓它恢復，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們就來觀察地方實施的效果如何。"],["許委員宇甄：是。"],["卓院長榮泰：我知道有幾個縣市首長也一直用這個來跟市民做說明，說他做得很好，我們來觀察，是不是有一套方式是可以統一來做的，我們再來檢討。"],["許委員宇甄：好，謝謝院長願意考慮讓這個好的政策繼續執行，那我們希望是好的結果，當然我有三項具體主張可以讓院長參考一下，讓這個政策可以繼續。","另外再跟院長請教一下，有關我們的農漁牧產業，因為2024年臺灣農產品輸美的出口值，農產品逆差大概達到新臺幣990億元，請院長看一下這個表格，我們對美國的大宗農產品是蝴蝶蘭，還有吳郭魚是占最大宗，現在我們的漁民業者他們提到，美國客戶因為面臨高成本的壓力，已經開始要求臺灣要分攤關稅，因此在美方買家的眼裡，臺灣因為沒有辦法失去這個市場，所以會要求我們臺灣的業者必須要分攤關稅。請問院長，賴清德總統在4月18號的時候跟養殖漁業座談，他強調關稅的談判絕對不會犧牲農漁民的權利。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["許委員宇甄：這段話我可不可以解讀成在這個談判的過程中，農漁業不會有任何損失？"],["卓院長榮泰：農漁民優先一直是政府不變的定律，所以總統那個談話也代表政府的態度跟基本原則……"],["許委員宇甄：謝謝……"],["卓院長榮泰：在進行雙方談判當中，我們會堅持……"],["許委員宇甄：不會犧牲……"],["卓院長榮泰：維護農漁民最高的權利。"],["許委員宇甄：請問一下，未來的談判若有損害我們農漁民的權益，是不是會由行政院來負責、由我們的政府來負責？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在已經有產業的支持方案，我們會從各方面來協助大家開拓多元的市場、國際市場，甚至做自己的升級。"],["許委員宇甄：所以我剛剛請教院長的是，如果在未來談判的過程中有造成農漁民的損失的話，是不是會由行政院這邊來負責？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們只希望談判團隊能夠依照我們已備妥的方案去做最好的談判。"],["許委員宇甄：院長，你可不可以下這個軍令狀？就是如果有任何損失，一定由我們政府來負責？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們要求臺灣的團隊，就是農漁民的權益一定要優先保障。"],["許委員宇甄：謝謝。另外就是有關川普在4月17號簽署一個最新的行政命令，正式啟動美國優先的海鮮戰略，他鬆綁國內的捕撈政策，甚至檢討開放美國現行的海洋保護區，要擴大美國漁民的捕撈範圍跟漁獲量。因為過去美國有超過九成的海鮮是依賴進口，海鮮的貿易逆差超過200億美元，而臺灣的水產品糧食自給率大概超過140%，我們是水產外銷大國，如果真的如川普總統所說的，要讓美國海鮮再次偉大，要做全球海鮮的霸主；如果到時候美國要求臺灣像開放美牛、美豬一般地開放美國海鮮的話，那我們的漁民要怎麼生存？請問這個部分針對臺灣農業的衝擊，有沒有什麼樣子的評估？"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員說明，就是美國海鮮的優先策略，其中一個是鬆綁國內的相關監管制度，對於國際貿易的部分，特別是重視非法IUU，還有非法勞工的部分，在臺灣我們的漁業人權保障的方案裡面，已經有去落實IUU的一個……"],["許委員宇甄：請問部長，會不會有專業的計畫來給予他們協助？"],["陳部長駿季：我們持續在關切，特別是我們也評估了所有的可能性，如果在後續貿易上面，我們會跟現在的支持方案一樣，會協助我們的水產品，除了進軍美國以外，也會進軍到其他高端的市場。"],["許委員宇甄：針對這個部分，本席也給三項具體的建議，可以建置產地、加工、出口之垂直整合平台，還有設立水產救助基金保障漁民，以及加強地方農、漁會的政策參與，設立回饋補償制度，請院長可以參考這樣的方式，來幫助我們的農、漁民。","最後，我要跟院長就教於，這次我們編列4,100億的特別預算，請問賴清德總統知情嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們在編列特別條例的時候，有在適當的時間跟總統報告過內容。"],["許委員宇甄：是，院長，因為這次你們從881億，最後增加到4,100億元的特別預算，但是卻沒有看到近七成國人所支持的普發現金一萬元，大概是2,340億元的編列。目前我們看到不管是新加坡每人發放1萬9,000元的鄰里購物券，還有澳門向永久居民每人發放大概臺幣4萬元的現金，就是希望以最快速而且最直接幫助人民的方式。請問為什麼不把普發現金編入特別預算？"],["卓院長榮泰：不同國家，每個政府都有它施政的邏輯跟考量，我認為現在……"],["許委員宇甄：我現在問的是臺灣。"],["卓院長榮泰：我認為現在我們把國家的資源能夠集中起來，對產業做支持，讓國土安全能夠強化，而且能夠對弱勢都照顧……"],["許委員宇甄：院長，是不是因為普發現金是國民黨提的，所以民進黨就不做呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，我昨天說過……"],["許委員宇甄：如果不是的話，是對於每一個……"],["卓院長榮泰：把一萬塊錢發給所有的人，不如把5,000塊發給手中沒有5,000塊的人。"],["許委員宇甄：對於每一個民眾來說，我可以拿到一萬塊現金，可以去擴大我的消費，也可以刺激消費，其實這是最直接幫助人民的方式。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們把它聚沙成塔累積起來，可以用國家的力量去做更多的國家基本建設……"],["許委員宇甄：七成的民意是希望這樣，還是建議院長一定要考慮，不要讓大家認為行政院不照顧人民、民進黨不照顧人民。","請院長再看一下表格，就是行政院提出的預算總共分為七大項，而預算法在這四項的狀況之下可以提出特別預算，請問院長，表格中屬於特別預算規定的有哪幾項？其中國土韌性跟撥補台電這兩項，跟剛剛的四項有關嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：撥補台電也是我們在多次產業座談會當中，每個產業都希望電費不要再調漲，如果要電費不調漲，健全台電的財政狀況是先決的條件，能夠讓台電財政更健全……"],["許委員宇甄：院長，台電撥補1,000億已經被立法院否決了。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們希望能夠回復……"],["許委員宇甄：所以這個時候再提出來，只會讓我們覺得是不是你們又要下鄉去宣講造謠，說我們不願意讓行政院來照顧……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們不願意看到產業界一方面受到關稅的衝擊，一方面又要受到電費可能漲價的影響，所以我們要降低……衝擊。"],["許委員宇甄：關稅的衝擊，你已經有產業支持跟擴大內需的930億，另外就是國土韌性的1,500億，到底包含哪些計畫？為什麼不在年度預算編列？"],["卓院長榮泰：有很多是跨年度的，這個特別條例的執行年度到116年12月31號，是2年9個月左右的時間，所以它是跨年度的，用單一年度的預算無法來支應。"],["許委員宇甄：我想特別預算不是民進黨的提款機、特別預算也不是特別好挪用，特別難監督……"],["卓院長榮泰：都要經過合法的程序。"],["許委員宇甄：我們希望，人民的每一分錢，我們都要好好的善盡責任，我們會把關好每一分錢，每一分血汗錢，不該給的一毛都不會給。"],["卓院長榮泰：都會經過法定的程序，希望委員支持，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝許宇甄委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、各部會首長的備詢。也謝謝柯志恩委員從早上一起參與今天的總質詢，非常感謝。","報告院會，我們上午的質詢到此為止，下午2點30分繼續開會，進行經濟組之質詢。現在休息。","休息（12時10分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":29,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-04-25"],"gazette_id":"1143901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143901_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1143901_00001"}}}