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00:00:42,439\n院長好院長相信您在農曆年後也感受到急診醫護荒的這個問題那我在這邊給您更新一個最新的數據也就是這四個月以來啊護理師又離職了1300位那今年三月更是創109年以來的新高創新高是548位所以\n\n3\n00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:58,991\n農曆年雖然您與衛福部部長等等召開了許多會議想解決護理師的問題可是我想跟您說這個問題還在持續惡化中這是昨天台大醫院工會所發出來的一個求救訊號\n\n4\n00:01:00,928 --> 00:01:29,185\n您的前一任行政院長曾經承諾過要給護理師們白斑津貼結果現在台大醫院面臨了這個鼠荒他們不但沒有拿到津貼他們是一位護理師發了一塊黏鼠板您覺得合理嗎發一塊黏鼠板是甚麼是請護理師幫忙抓老鼠護理師已經忙得要命了幫忙照顧病人卻連老鼠都成為他們的責任我想問一下行政院如果鬧了鼠荒您會請誰來處理\n\n5\n00:01:31,087 --> 00:01:54,823\n我曾經在日前的院會裡面說過如果讓護理師去做清潔的工作而且變成是日常的常態的工作絕對不可以好那我在這邊具體跟您請命您可不可以在一個月內請衛福部來盤點至少從醫學中心以下開始查讓護理師不要再執行醫療以外專業以外的工作您可以做到嗎一個月內\n\n6\n00:01:56,008 --> 00:02:10,133\n這是醫療以外的事情不能成為他的日常的常態你說有時候整理一下環境但是你要監督嘛那絕對不可以成為他的日常工作可以請您一個月內請衛福部來宣導監督這也是我所要求的對謝謝\n\n7\n00:02:12,094 --> 00:02:33,006\n下一張我們來看國發會最核心的法定的業務就是辦理政策追蹤所以國發會才會被我們稱為小內閣但是有一個非常特別的地方是您看國發會會把院長院會指示的事項還有院長下鄉巡視的事項以及院長其他交辦事項都保持追蹤\n\n8\n00:02:33,806 --> 00:02:52,498\n可是從第十一屆開始我還特別看了第十屆以前都有發表最新的更新第十一屆開始為什麼對立法院這麼針對我們藍綠白的委員都有我們問您的問題您在總時訊息回覆我們答覆我們卻沒有獲得追蹤\n\n9\n00:02:54,268 --> 00:03:16,433\n好謝謝委員如果我們這個沒有即時更新的話我回去會責成同仁一定要好你們從去年2月1號開始就沒有更新謝謝好我應該這個月內也會再持續看因為我們有選民反映我在這邊問的問題他們想上去網站點可是看不到是我們會遵事辦理\n\n10\n00:03:18,151 --> 00:03:32,649\n再來想要跟院長請教這個國安危機當然以前2018年之後取消了一個人口政策匯報這個匯報是討論少子化高齡化缺工人才荒移民等等的人口問題啦但\n\n11\n00:03:34,711 --> 00:03:55,701\n2018年之後呢我們就用一紙公文解散了這個人口政策匯報而改為專案的會議那這個專案會議想必行政院長也很熟因為是您擔任召集人但是他卻在衛福部的社家屬之下的社會福利推動委員會而且每半年才開一次會為什麼這件事很嚴重呢您從2018年以後您看這個曲線圖就會發現\n\n12\n00:04:00,103 --> 00:04:19,016\n我們生育率已經一蹶不振了再也無法回頭了我去調了您這五年來的會議記錄會議記錄在右上角會發現雖然您當召集人可是許多部長是由代理人出席再來您仔細去深究裡面的會議內容重點\n\n13\n00:04:20,177 --> 00:04:38,607\n很少關於促進生育率幾乎是沒有對比日本在這邊具體的給院長一個建議對比日本他們是把少子化的業務升級原本他們是在後生省裡面成立一個兒童家庭局但是他們在2023年升級到兒童家庭廳\n\n14\n00:04:40,464 --> 00:04:49,889\n所以院長有沒有考慮因為等一下我還會給你看更新的數據是不是考慮再把生育率小子化這些相關的業務做一個升級\n\n15\n00:04:50,711 --> 00:05:17,849\n好報告委員我們都共同關心少子化問題我跟劉靜清主委我們國發會劉靜清主委討論過我們會用人口對策而不是一個政策人口對策來加強繼續研究我也跟劉主委開過幾次這樣的會議只是我們現在沒有把它成為一個固定形式組織的會議在處理我們會持續加強來針對這個所以您的意思是說除了現在您當交集人的這個會議您會再用其他的形式增加嗎\n\n16\n00:05:19,109 --> 00:05:40,439\n這個會議是半年召開一次固定的在之間呢我們會召開很多相關必要的會議我希望提出的是一個人口的對策整體的對策而不是針對哪一個世代的對策像我們關心這些議題的立法院要如何知道您何時召開以及你的會議內容還有您的結論以及您牽涉到這些部會呢\n\n17\n00:05:41,192 --> 00:05:54,595\n有具體的結論跟國發會索取資料的時候國發會會整理給委員了解但是我們不會知道你們什麼時候開會啊我們也不知道您的頻率啊還有您會請過來的這些部會首長是哪些部會\n\n18\n00:05:56,423 --> 00:06:12,042\n這個會議的會期都是幾乎是不定期隨時都在開的每一天每一週行政院都太多太多但這樣子立法委員也無法善盡監督的責任因為您這個主責我請國發會我們主動來彙整一下過去我們的大大小小會議當中有具體這個結論\n\n19\n00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:38,339\n也現在持續在工作的部分所以之後關於人口的政策基本上我們是由國發會來主責是嗎其實那個現在院裡面其實有那個陳時中陳政委有召開因為這個人口的議題是一個跨部會的議題的那跟的確就如院長說的其實我們主委也有跟院長提\n\n20\n00:06:39,239 --> 00:07:03,267\n那已經院長副主委我覺得有一點混亂因為你一下在衛福部社家署下一下在國發會現在你又突然講到陳時中政委所以我真的是希望你們可以動起來緊繃並且可以讓立法院知道您的進度還可以監督好嗎好我們再來看一下去年呢我跟您還有主委曾經討論你們這個人口推估系統\n\n21\n00:07:04,427 --> 00:07:20,436\n現在我們看來非常荒謬當時主委說龍年會有一個人口的高峰結果龍年比兔年低兔年還比虎年低現在我上網看到他預估今年是直逼13萬13萬出生我在這邊跟您匯報1月的時候出生9000人2月剛好破萬\n\n22\n00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:44,963\n三月又是九千人全國的兒科醫師婦產科醫師幼教老師非常的悲觀啊這個比您當初答詢我的內容實在是嚴重太多了你承不承認你們這個國發會的人口推估系統必須要審慎的修正呢\n\n23\n00:07:45,745 --> 00:07:50,071\n我們曾經在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰13萬人出生13萬的保衛戰我剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了\n\n24\n00:08:01,307 --> 00:08:25,394\n這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過這個保衛戰所以我也希望跟國發會要一個月的修正報告你們要怎麼做這個推估系統而且你既然要做保衛戰我們這些立法員也應該知道你保衛戰的策略是吧因為我們從零歲到二歲零歲到六歲都有不同\n\n25\n00:08:26,854 --> 00:08:37,978\n層級時間的一個關於教育跟福利上面的我在這邊也跟院長主委報告韓國雖然他落後我們可是他終於2024年開始止跌回升出生率從0.72到0.75他們\n\n26\n00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:59,650\n具體這個有影響力的是他們讓願意生一個願意生兩個願意生兩個以上的這些年輕夫妻住公共住房的年數可以一直往後的延後可是我們昨天我自己本人提案牛許廷委員排案還有王宏威委員提案我們希望\n\n27\n00:09:00,390 --> 00:09:21,851\n生育率不到1的台灣我們申請社會住宅可以下降兩個小孩到有生育結果卻被劉仕芳部長狠狠地打臉所以我希望你們開了這麼多會還有陳時中政委還有國發會主委你們一定要把年輕夫妻生育還有生活這種最有感的成本下降才可以好嗎\n\n28\n00:09:22,773 --> 00:09:29,445\n內政部在住宅方面應該也有提出相關的鼓勵婚姻鼓勵生子的這個關於住宅延長\n\n29\n00:09:31,758 --> 00:09:53,332\n可能要請你們趕快提出,不然不知道守不守得住這個保衛戰那這邊為什麼本席希望你們可以更新這個國發會的追蹤,原因為何?我們又來看公家單位的狀況,你們的計畫裡面說要擴大公部門托育服務示範效果除了現在有洽簽特約方式外,希望各機關托育需求評估設置托育設施,這點現在進度如何?\n\n30\n00:09:53,832 --> 00:10:14,885\n公務機關曾經人事有去調查過他們的需求他們都有提出需求像海委會對脫嬰需求有22個孩子脫為需求有48個孩子外交部有11個孩子脫嬰的需求22個孩子育兒的需求結果我們搜尋了你們自己建立的網站因為院長說得很好小子的話方方面面脫育也是您自己說的您到6歲國家養也是您自己說的可是看這邊行政院海委會外交部是通通沒有進度\n\n31\n00:10:15,345 --> 00:10:30,571\n但是我是不會他們請命因為像立法院鄰近的公務機關也會來登記我們的托嬰中心所以現在我們那個HOPE已經100多個了所以這並不是說沒有需求其實有需求您只要開始我相信許多行政院附近的公務機關都會很需要您的托嬰跟托育的這樣子設施\n\n32\n00:10:31,371 --> 00:10:59,345\n好謝謝委員的提醒我承認我們回去這個問題真的是要好好來討論檢討既然如果沒有特別的設施我們也幫行政院的同仁去搜尋了這個有相關配合的機構結果搜尋得不得了居然托嬰是跟一家在宜蘭一家在高雄做配合那托兒是五家台北市的而且很遠離行政院都非常的遠所以我在這邊很誠懇的建議可以先從公部門我們把它做好畢竟行政院是一個這麼大的部門好的謝謝委員\n\n33\n00:11:01,855 --> 00:11:28,615\n結果院長這是去年你六月回覆我的我們看一下剛剛你還是一樣重複零到六歲國家養結果呢剛剛我講到的行政院外交部海委會等等從去年六月到現在說不定又有更多小孩誕生了後面呢還是一樣通通沒有托兒的設施你說檢討改善要進步到底進步在哪裡我實在是看不出來\n\n34\n00:11:30,097 --> 00:11:56,522\n再來剛剛我也說有兩個特約的拖音結果一個在高雄一個在宜蘭另外呢台北市是公務人員最多的所以上次您答詢的時候還有五家特約現在只剩下四家拖音是零喔這四家以外呢你仔細看後面簽約的日期已經快要到期了請問您現在可以具體的再給我您的改善措施嗎\n\n35\n00:11:58,106 --> 00:12:03,614\n因為你去年六月到現在只是更差而已啊公部門沒有做好我們沒有資格要求私部門啊\n\n36\n00:12:04,482 --> 00:12:32,523\n我們有請包括國營事業單位內部也要設這些機構讓自己的同仁能夠在小孩子有地方可以看護那剛剛您所提到的外交部海委會行政院等等我想有時候是誘於本身內部的空間有時候是為了周遭環境沒有辦法結合這個您去年也說過一樣的話他沒有空間的話你也要去弄特約吧你的特約只是越來越小而已周遭可能沒有辦法有這樣足夠的這種\n\n37\n00:12:33,844 --> 00:13:02,763\n單位來做合作但是我承諾我們繼續努力去找開發新的合作對象那麼這些原來的這些如果謹慎世家極力的要留下來繼續做這樣的服務好下一個呢剛有賴世保委員還來不及問到這邊也是非常多人關心的能源問題啊我們已經預計要跟美國購買高達六百萬公噸的天然氣而且是七年後才會交貨這已經被各方批評到不行\n\n38\n00:13:03,624 --> 00:13:27,847\n因為這件事情從30年前就開始講但是我今天想從一些細節面跟院長討論增氣減煤是民進黨政府推動的核心能源政策而且你們想要把天然氣發電的佔比提高到全國總發電量的50%我今天最擔心的是我們的接收還有儲存能力到底夠不夠院長您先看左上角的這張表\n\n39\n00:13:29,178 --> 00:13:40,087\n你看近兩年我們的進口大概都是2000萬公噸上下你們自己官方的數據你官方預測說2025年的天然氣進口需求將達到2300萬左右2030年更預估高達2500萬左右你在做這個官方數據的預估的時候關稅問題還沒出來我們還沒答應美國這個600萬公噸的量我們來看右下角這個表\n\n40\n00:13:58,982 --> 00:14:03,089\n我們現在一階二階加起來只能容納1600萬公噸因此呢\n\n41\n00:14:07,438 --> 00:14:28,969\n上面的表是今年所發布的但本席很憂心的是我們的負載量從2021年就開始108%2021年經濟部自己說很危險結果現在已經2025年了你連後面的數字都不敢寫出來但我內部得知比108%還要高啦\n\n42\n00:14:32,137 --> 00:14:46,148\n維修會出問題國安也會出問題我們對照我們鄰近的國家剛有提到日本跟韓國他們平均負載率只有30到40%國際上合理的負載率是50%曾經2021年呢我們發布經濟部說很危險的時候有一個EnergyUpdate就對巴基斯坦市井說他們高達84%沒有任何靈活度也沒有辦法處理衝擊\n\n43\n00:15:00,259 --> 00:15:11,205\n但我們現在台灣卻獨步全球請院長給我們一個答案你要怎麼處理我們一定是2021年到2030年都會超過100%負載量這樣子危險千乎國安的問題接收的方式跟委員報告所以我們現在就就是在增加幾個那個天然氣的接收站那有些接收站其實在環評的過程裡面\n\n44\n00:15:37,566 --> 00:15:39,991\n好陳經緯委員索取的資料麻煩經濟部會後再送陳經緯\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5185\t13362\t主席 各位委員還有台灣大學的高材生們大家午安 大家好想請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長再次備詢\n23233\t42439\t院長好院長相信您在農曆年後也感受到急診醫護荒的這個問題那我在這邊給您更新一個最新的數據也就是這四個月以來啊護理師又離職了1300位那今年三月更是創109年以來的新高創新高是548位所以\n45560\t58991\t農曆年雖然您與衛福部部長等等召開了許多會議想解決護理師的問題可是我想跟您說這個問題還在持續惡化中這是昨天台大醫院工會所發出來的一個求救訊號\n60928\t89185\t您的前一任行政院長曾經承諾過要給護理師們白斑津貼結果現在台大醫院面臨了這個鼠荒他們不但沒有拿到津貼他們是一位護理師發了一塊黏鼠板您覺得合理嗎發一塊黏鼠板是甚麼是 請護理師幫忙抓老鼠護理師已經忙得要命了幫忙照顧病人卻連老鼠都成為他們的責任我想問一下行政院如果鬧了鼠荒 您會請誰來處理\n91087\t114823\t我曾經在日前的院會裡面說過如果讓護理師去做清潔的工作而且變成是日常的常態的工作絕對不可以好那我在這邊具體跟您請命您可不可以在一個月內請衛福部來盤點至少從醫學中心以下開始查讓護理師不要再執行醫療以外專業以外的工作您可以做到嗎一個月內\n116008\t130133\t這是醫療以外的事情不能成為他的日常的常態你說有時候整理一下環境但是你要監督嘛那絕對不可以成為他的日常工作可以請您一個月內請衛福部來宣導監督這也是我所要求的對 謝謝\n132094\t153006\t下一張我們來看國發會最核心的法定的業務就是辦理政策追蹤所以國發會才會被我們稱為小內閣但是有一個非常特別的地方是您看國發會會把院長院會指示的事項還有院長下鄉巡視的事項以及院長其他交辦事項都保持追蹤\n153806\t172498\t可是從第十一屆開始我還特別看了第十屆以前都有發表最新的更新第十一屆開始為什麼對立法院這麼針對我們藍綠白的委員都有我們問您的問題您在總時訊息回覆我們答覆我們卻沒有獲得追蹤\n174268\t196433\t好謝謝委員如果我們這個沒有即時更新的話我回去會責成同仁一定要好你們從去年2月1號開始就沒有更新謝謝好我應該這個月內也會再持續看因為我們有選民反映我在這邊問的問題他們想上去網站點可是看不到是我們會遵事辦理\n198151\t212649\t再來想要跟院長請教這個國安危機當然以前2018年之後取消了一個人口政策匯報這個匯報是討論少子化高齡化缺工人才荒移民等等的人口問題啦但\n214711\t235701\t2018年之後呢我們就用一紙公文解散了這個人口政策匯報而改為專案的會議那這個專案會議想必行政院長也很熟因為是您擔任召集人但是他卻在衛福部的社家屬之下的社會福利推動委員會而且每半年才開一次會為什麼這件事很嚴重呢您從2018年以後您看這個曲線圖就會發現\n240103\t259016\t我們生育率已經一蹶不振了再也無法回頭了我去調了您這五年來的會議記錄會議記錄在右上角會發現雖然您當召集人可是許多部長是由代理人出席再來您仔細去深究裡面的會議內容重點\n260177\t278607\t很少關於促進生育率幾乎是沒有對比日本在這邊具體的給院長一個建議對比日本他們是把少子化的業務升級原本他們是在後生省裡面成立一個兒童家庭局但是他們在2023年升級到兒童家庭廳\n280464\t289889\t所以院長有沒有考慮因為等一下我還會給你看更新的數據是不是考慮再把生育率小子化這些相關的業務做一個升級\n290711\t317849\t好 報告委員 我們都共同關心少子化問題我跟劉靜清主委 我們國發會劉靜清主委討論過我們會用人口對策 而不是一個政策人口對策來加強繼續研究我也跟劉主委開過幾次這樣的會議只是我們現在沒有把它成為一個固定形式組織的會議在處理我們會持續加強來針對這個所以您的意思是說 除了現在您當交集人的這個會議您會再用其他的形式增加嗎\n319109\t340439\t這個會議是半年召開一次固定的在之間呢我們會召開很多相關必要的會議我希望提出的是一個人口的對策整體的對策而不是針對哪一個世代的對策像我們關心這些議題的立法院要如何知道您何時召開以及你的會議內容還有您的結論以及您牽涉到這些部會呢\n341192\t354595\t有具體的結論跟國發會索取資料的時候國發會會整理給委員了解但是我們不會知道你們什麼時候開會啊我們也不知道您的頻率啊還有您會請過來的這些部會首長是哪些部會\n356423\t372042\t這個會議的會期都是幾乎是不定期隨時都在開的每一天每一週行政院都太多太多但這樣子立法委員也無法善盡監督的責任因為您這個主責我請國發會我們主動來彙整一下過去我們的大大小小會議當中有具體這個結論\n375450\t398339\t也現在持續在工作的部分所以之後關於人口的政策基本上我們是由國發會來主責是嗎其實那個現在院裡面其實有那個陳時中陳政委有召開因為這個人口的議題是一個跨部會的議題的那跟的確就如院長說的其實我們主委也有跟院長提\n399239\t423267\t那已經院長副主委我覺得有一點混亂因為你一下在衛福部社家署下一下在國發會現在你又突然講到陳時中政委所以我真的是希望你們可以動起來緊繃並且可以讓立法院知道您的進度還可以監督好嗎好我們再來看一下去年呢我跟您還有主委曾經討論你們這個人口推估系統\n424427\t440436\t現在我們看來非常荒謬當時主委說龍年會有一個人口的高峰結果龍年比兔年低 兔年還比虎年低現在我上網看到他預估今年是直逼13萬13萬出生我在這邊跟您匯報1月的時候出生9000人 2月剛好破萬\n447700\t464963\t三月又是九千人全國的兒科醫師 婦產科醫師 幼教老師非常的悲觀啊這個比您當初答詢我的內容實在是嚴重太多了你承不承認你們這個國發會的人口推估系統必須要審慎的修正呢\n465745\t470071\t我們曾經在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰13萬人出生13萬的保衛戰我剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了\n481307\t505394\t這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過這個保衛戰所以我也希望跟國發會要一個月的修正報告你們要怎麼做這個推估系統而且你既然要做保衛戰我們這些立法員也應該知道你保衛戰的策略是吧因為我們從零歲到二歲零歲到六歲都有不同\n506854\t517978\t層級時間的一個關於教育跟福利上面的我在這邊也跟院長主委報告韓國雖然他落後我們可是他終於2024年開始止跌回升出生率從0.72到0.75他們\n521039\t539650\t具體這個有影響力的是他們讓願意生一個願意生兩個願意生兩個以上的這些年輕夫妻住公共住房的年數可以一直往後的延後可是我們昨天我自己本人提案牛許廷委員排案還有王宏威委員提案我們希望\n540390\t561851\t生育率不到1的台灣我們申請社會住宅可以下降兩個小孩到有生育結果卻被劉仕芳部長狠狠地打臉所以我希望你們開了這麼多會還有陳時中政委還有國發會主委你們一定要把年輕夫妻生育還有生活這種最有感的成本下降才可以好嗎\n562773\t569445\t內政部在住宅方面應該也有提出相關的鼓勵婚姻鼓勵生子的這個關於住宅延長\n571758\t593332\t可能要請你們趕快提出,不然不知道守不守得住這個保衛戰那這邊為什麼本席希望你們可以更新這個國發會的追蹤,原因為何?我們又來看公家單位的狀況,你們的計畫裡面說要擴大公部門托育服務示範效果除了現在有洽簽特約方式外,希望各機關托育需求評估設置托育設施,這點現在進度如何?\n593832\t614885\t公務機關曾經人事有去調查過他們的需求他們都有提出需求像海委會對脫嬰需求有22個孩子脫為需求有48個孩子外交部有11個孩子脫嬰的需求22個孩子育兒的需求結果我們搜尋了你們自己建立的網站因為院長說得很好小子的話方方面面脫育也是您自己說的您到6歲國家養也是您自己說的可是看這邊行政院海委會外交部是通通沒有進度\n615345\t630571\t但是我是不會他們請命因為像立法院鄰近的公務機關也會來登記我們的托嬰中心所以現在我們那個HOPE已經100多個了所以這並不是說沒有需求其實有需求您只要開始我相信許多行政院附近的公務機關都會很需要您的托嬰跟托育的這樣子設施\n631371\t659345\t好 謝謝委員的提醒我承認我們回去這個問題真的是要好好來討論檢討既然如果沒有特別的設施我們也幫行政院的同仁去搜尋了這個有相關配合的機構結果搜尋得不得了居然托嬰是跟一家在宜蘭一家在高雄做配合那托兒是五家台北市的而且很遠 離行政院都非常的遠所以我在這邊很誠懇的建議可以先從公部門我們把它做好畢竟行政院是一個這麼大的部門好的 謝謝委員\n661855\t688615\t結果院長這是去年你六月回覆我的我們看一下剛剛你還是一樣重複零到六歲國家養結果呢剛剛我講到的行政院外交部海委會等等從去年六月到現在說不定又有更多小孩誕生了後面呢還是一樣通通沒有托兒的設施你說檢討改善要進步到底進步在哪裡我實在是看不出來\n690097\t716522\t再來剛剛我也說有兩個特約的拖音結果一個在高雄一個在宜蘭另外呢台北市是公務人員最多的所以上次您答詢的時候還有五家特約現在只剩下四家拖音是零喔這四家以外呢你仔細看後面簽約的日期已經快要到期了請問您現在可以具體的再給我您的改善措施嗎\n718106\t723614\t因為你去年六月到現在只是更差而已啊公部門沒有做好我們沒有資格要求私部門啊\n724482\t752523\t我們有請包括國營事業單位內部也要設這些機構讓自己的同仁能夠在小孩子有地方可以看護那剛剛您所提到的外交部海委會行政院等等我想有時候是誘於本身內部的空間有時候是為了周遭環境沒有辦法結合這個您去年也說過一樣的話他沒有空間的話你也要去弄特約吧你的特約只是越來越小而已周遭可能沒有辦法有這樣足夠的這種\n753844\t782763\t單位來做合作但是我承諾我們繼續努力去找開發新的合作對象那麼這些原來的這些如果謹慎世家極力的要留下來繼續做這樣的服務好下一個呢剛有賴世保委員還來不及問到這邊也是非常多人關心的能源問題啊我們已經預計要跟美國購買高達六百萬公噸的天然氣而且是七年後才會交貨這已經被各方批評到不行\n783624\t807847\t因為這件事情從30年前就開始講但是我今天想從一些細節面跟院長討論增氣減煤是民進黨政府推動的核心能源政策而且你們想要把天然氣發電的佔比提高到全國總發電量的50%我今天最擔心的是我們的接收還有儲存能力到底夠不夠院長您先看左上角的這張表\n809178\t820087\t你看近兩年我們的進口大概都是2000萬公噸上下你們自己官方的數據你官方預測說2025年的天然氣進口需求將達到2300萬左右2030年更預估高達2500萬左右你在做這個官方數據的預估的時候關稅問題還沒出來我們還沒答應美國這個600萬公噸的量我們來看右下角這個表\n838982\t843089\t我們現在一階二階加起來只能容納1600萬公噸因此呢\n847438\t868969\t上面的表是今年所發布的但本席很憂心的是我們的負載量從2021年就開始108%2021年經濟部自己說很危險結果現在已經2025年了你連後面的數字都不敢寫出來但我內部得知比108%還要高啦\n872137\t886148\t維修會出問題國安也會出問題我們對照我們鄰近的國家剛有提到日本跟韓國他們平均負載率只有30到40%國際上合理的負載率是50%曾經2021年呢我們發布經濟部說很危險的時候有一個Energy Update就對巴基斯坦市井說他們高達84%沒有任何靈活度也沒有辦法處理衝擊\n900259\t911205\t但我們現在台灣卻獨步全球請院長給我們一個答案你要怎麼處理我們一定是2021年到2030年都會超過100%負載量這樣子危險千乎國安的問題接收的方式跟委員報告所以我們現在就就是在增加幾個那個天然氣的接收站那有些接收站其實在環評的過程裡面\n937566\t939991\t好 陳經緯委員索取的資料麻煩經濟部會後再送陳經緯\n","txt":"主席 各位委員還有台灣大學的高材生們大家午安 大家好想請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長再次備詢\n院長好院長相信您在農曆年後也感受到急診醫護荒的這個問題那我在這邊給您更新一個最新的數據也就是這四個月以來啊護理師又離職了1300位那今年三月更是創109年以來的新高創新高是548位所以\n農曆年雖然您與衛福部部長等等召開了許多會議想解決護理師的問題可是我想跟您說這個問題還在持續惡化中這是昨天台大醫院工會所發出來的一個求救訊號\n您的前一任行政院長曾經承諾過要給護理師們白斑津貼結果現在台大醫院面臨了這個鼠荒他們不但沒有拿到津貼他們是一位護理師發了一塊黏鼠板您覺得合理嗎發一塊黏鼠板是甚麼是 請護理師幫忙抓老鼠護理師已經忙得要命了幫忙照顧病人卻連老鼠都成為他們的責任我想問一下行政院如果鬧了鼠荒 您會請誰來處理\n我曾經在日前的院會裡面說過如果讓護理師去做清潔的工作而且變成是日常的常態的工作絕對不可以好那我在這邊具體跟您請命您可不可以在一個月內請衛福部來盤點至少從醫學中心以下開始查讓護理師不要再執行醫療以外專業以外的工作您可以做到嗎一個月內\n這是醫療以外的事情不能成為他的日常的常態你說有時候整理一下環境但是你要監督嘛那絕對不可以成為他的日常工作可以請您一個月內請衛福部來宣導監督這也是我所要求的對 謝謝\n下一張我們來看國發會最核心的法定的業務就是辦理政策追蹤所以國發會才會被我們稱為小內閣但是有一個非常特別的地方是您看國發會會把院長院會指示的事項還有院長下鄉巡視的事項以及院長其他交辦事項都保持追蹤\n可是從第十一屆開始我還特別看了第十屆以前都有發表最新的更新第十一屆開始為什麼對立法院這麼針對我們藍綠白的委員都有我們問您的問題您在總時訊息回覆我們答覆我們卻沒有獲得追蹤\n好謝謝委員如果我們這個沒有即時更新的話我回去會責成同仁一定要好你們從去年2月1號開始就沒有更新謝謝好我應該這個月內也會再持續看因為我們有選民反映我在這邊問的問題他們想上去網站點可是看不到是我們會遵事辦理\n再來想要跟院長請教這個國安危機當然以前2018年之後取消了一個人口政策匯報這個匯報是討論少子化高齡化缺工人才荒移民等等的人口問題啦但\n2018年之後呢我們就用一紙公文解散了這個人口政策匯報而改為專案的會議那這個專案會議想必行政院長也很熟因為是您擔任召集人但是他卻在衛福部的社家屬之下的社會福利推動委員會而且每半年才開一次會為什麼這件事很嚴重呢您從2018年以後您看這個曲線圖就會發現\n我們生育率已經一蹶不振了再也無法回頭了我去調了您這五年來的會議記錄會議記錄在右上角會發現雖然您當召集人可是許多部長是由代理人出席再來您仔細去深究裡面的會議內容重點\n很少關於促進生育率幾乎是沒有對比日本在這邊具體的給院長一個建議對比日本他們是把少子化的業務升級原本他們是在後生省裡面成立一個兒童家庭局但是他們在2023年升級到兒童家庭廳\n所以院長有沒有考慮因為等一下我還會給你看更新的數據是不是考慮再把生育率小子化這些相關的業務做一個升級\n好 報告委員 我們都共同關心少子化問題我跟劉靜清主委 我們國發會劉靜清主委討論過我們會用人口對策 而不是一個政策人口對策來加強繼續研究我也跟劉主委開過幾次這樣的會議只是我們現在沒有把它成為一個固定形式組織的會議在處理我們會持續加強來針對這個所以您的意思是說 除了現在您當交集人的這個會議您會再用其他的形式增加嗎\n這個會議是半年召開一次固定的在之間呢我們會召開很多相關必要的會議我希望提出的是一個人口的對策整體的對策而不是針對哪一個世代的對策像我們關心這些議題的立法院要如何知道您何時召開以及你的會議內容還有您的結論以及您牽涉到這些部會呢\n有具體的結論跟國發會索取資料的時候國發會會整理給委員了解但是我們不會知道你們什麼時候開會啊我們也不知道您的頻率啊還有您會請過來的這些部會首長是哪些部會\n這個會議的會期都是幾乎是不定期隨時都在開的每一天每一週行政院都太多太多但這樣子立法委員也無法善盡監督的責任因為您這個主責我請國發會我們主動來彙整一下過去我們的大大小小會議當中有具體這個結論\n也現在持續在工作的部分所以之後關於人口的政策基本上我們是由國發會來主責是嗎其實那個現在院裡面其實有那個陳時中陳政委有召開因為這個人口的議題是一個跨部會的議題的那跟的確就如院長說的其實我們主委也有跟院長提\n那已經院長副主委我覺得有一點混亂因為你一下在衛福部社家署下一下在國發會現在你又突然講到陳時中政委所以我真的是希望你們可以動起來緊繃並且可以讓立法院知道您的進度還可以監督好嗎好我們再來看一下去年呢我跟您還有主委曾經討論你們這個人口推估系統\n現在我們看來非常荒謬當時主委說龍年會有一個人口的高峰結果龍年比兔年低 兔年還比虎年低現在我上網看到他預估今年是直逼13萬13萬出生我在這邊跟您匯報1月的時候出生9000人 2月剛好破萬\n三月又是九千人全國的兒科醫師 婦產科醫師 幼教老師非常的悲觀啊這個比您當初答詢我的內容實在是嚴重太多了你承不承認你們這個國發會的人口推估系統必須要審慎的修正呢\n我們曾經在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰13萬人出生13萬的保衛戰我剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了\n這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過這個保衛戰所以我也希望跟國發會要一個月的修正報告你們要怎麼做這個推估系統而且你既然要做保衛戰我們這些立法員也應該知道你保衛戰的策略是吧因為我們從零歲到二歲零歲到六歲都有不同\n層級時間的一個關於教育跟福利上面的我在這邊也跟院長主委報告韓國雖然他落後我們可是他終於2024年開始止跌回升出生率從0.72到0.75他們\n具體這個有影響力的是他們讓願意生一個願意生兩個願意生兩個以上的這些年輕夫妻住公共住房的年數可以一直往後的延後可是我們昨天我自己本人提案牛許廷委員排案還有王宏威委員提案我們希望\n生育率不到1的台灣我們申請社會住宅可以下降兩個小孩到有生育結果卻被劉仕芳部長狠狠地打臉所以我希望你們開了這麼多會還有陳時中政委還有國發會主委你們一定要把年輕夫妻生育還有生活這種最有感的成本下降才可以好嗎\n內政部在住宅方面應該也有提出相關的鼓勵婚姻鼓勵生子的這個關於住宅延長\n可能要請你們趕快提出,不然不知道守不守得住這個保衛戰那這邊為什麼本席希望你們可以更新這個國發會的追蹤,原因為何?我們又來看公家單位的狀況,你們的計畫裡面說要擴大公部門托育服務示範效果除了現在有洽簽特約方式外,希望各機關托育需求評估設置托育設施,這點現在進度如何?\n公務機關曾經人事有去調查過他們的需求他們都有提出需求像海委會對脫嬰需求有22個孩子脫為需求有48個孩子外交部有11個孩子脫嬰的需求22個孩子育兒的需求結果我們搜尋了你們自己建立的網站因為院長說得很好小子的話方方面面脫育也是您自己說的您到6歲國家養也是您自己說的可是看這邊行政院海委會外交部是通通沒有進度\n但是我是不會他們請命因為像立法院鄰近的公務機關也會來登記我們的托嬰中心所以現在我們那個HOPE已經100多個了所以這並不是說沒有需求其實有需求您只要開始我相信許多行政院附近的公務機關都會很需要您的托嬰跟托育的這樣子設施\n好 謝謝委員的提醒我承認我們回去這個問題真的是要好好來討論檢討既然如果沒有特別的設施我們也幫行政院的同仁去搜尋了這個有相關配合的機構結果搜尋得不得了居然托嬰是跟一家在宜蘭一家在高雄做配合那托兒是五家台北市的而且很遠 離行政院都非常的遠所以我在這邊很誠懇的建議可以先從公部門我們把它做好畢竟行政院是一個這麼大的部門好的 謝謝委員\n結果院長這是去年你六月回覆我的我們看一下剛剛你還是一樣重複零到六歲國家養結果呢剛剛我講到的行政院外交部海委會等等從去年六月到現在說不定又有更多小孩誕生了後面呢還是一樣通通沒有托兒的設施你說檢討改善要進步到底進步在哪裡我實在是看不出來\n再來剛剛我也說有兩個特約的拖音結果一個在高雄一個在宜蘭另外呢台北市是公務人員最多的所以上次您答詢的時候還有五家特約現在只剩下四家拖音是零喔這四家以外呢你仔細看後面簽約的日期已經快要到期了請問您現在可以具體的再給我您的改善措施嗎\n因為你去年六月到現在只是更差而已啊公部門沒有做好我們沒有資格要求私部門啊\n我們有請包括國營事業單位內部也要設這些機構讓自己的同仁能夠在小孩子有地方可以看護那剛剛您所提到的外交部海委會行政院等等我想有時候是誘於本身內部的空間有時候是為了周遭環境沒有辦法結合這個您去年也說過一樣的話他沒有空間的話你也要去弄特約吧你的特約只是越來越小而已周遭可能沒有辦法有這樣足夠的這種\n單位來做合作但是我承諾我們繼續努力去找開發新的合作對象那麼這些原來的這些如果謹慎世家極力的要留下來繼續做這樣的服務好下一個呢剛有賴世保委員還來不及問到這邊也是非常多人關心的能源問題啊我們已經預計要跟美國購買高達六百萬公噸的天然氣而且是七年後才會交貨這已經被各方批評到不行\n因為這件事情從30年前就開始講但是我今天想從一些細節面跟院長討論增氣減煤是民進黨政府推動的核心能源政策而且你們想要把天然氣發電的佔比提高到全國總發電量的50%我今天最擔心的是我們的接收還有儲存能力到底夠不夠院長您先看左上角的這張表\n你看近兩年我們的進口大概都是2000萬公噸上下你們自己官方的數據你官方預測說2025年的天然氣進口需求將達到2300萬左右2030年更預估高達2500萬左右你在做這個官方數據的預估的時候關稅問題還沒出來我們還沒答應美國這個600萬公噸的量我們來看右下角這個表\n我們現在一階二階加起來只能容納1600萬公噸因此呢\n上面的表是今年所發布的但本席很憂心的是我們的負載量從2021年就開始108%2021年經濟部自己說很危險結果現在已經2025年了你連後面的數字都不敢寫出來但我內部得知比108%還要高啦\n維修會出問題國安也會出問題我們對照我們鄰近的國家剛有提到日本跟韓國他們平均負載率只有30到40%國際上合理的負載率是50%曾經2021年呢我們發布經濟部說很危險的時候有一個Energy Update就對巴基斯坦市井說他們高達84%沒有任何靈活度也沒有辦法處理衝擊\n但我們現在台灣卻獨步全球請院長給我們一個答案你要怎麼處理我們一定是2021年到2030年都會超過100%負載量這樣子危險千乎國安的問題接收的方式跟委員報告所以我們現在就就是在增加幾個那個天然氣的接收站那有些接收站其實在環評的過程裡面\n好 陳經緯委員索取的資料麻煩經濟部會後再送陳經緯\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.185 --> 00:13.362\n主席各位委員還有台灣大學的高材生們大家午安大家好想請卓榮泰院長麻煩請卓院長再次備詢\n\n00:23.233 --> 00:42.439\n院長好院長相信您在農曆年後也感受到急診醫護荒的這個問題那我在這邊給您更新一個最新的數據也就是這四個月以來啊護理師又離職了1300位那今年三月更是創109年以來的新高創新高是548位所以\n\n00:45.560 --> 00:58.991\n農曆年雖然您與衛福部部長等等召開了許多會議想解決護理師的問題可是我想跟您說這個問題還在持續惡化中這是昨天台大醫院工會所發出來的一個求救訊號\n\n01:00.928 --> 01:29.185\n您的前一任行政院長曾經承諾過要給護理師們白斑津貼結果現在台大醫院面臨了這個鼠荒他們不但沒有拿到津貼他們是一位護理師發了一塊黏鼠板您覺得合理嗎發一塊黏鼠板是甚麼是請護理師幫忙抓老鼠護理師已經忙得要命了幫忙照顧病人卻連老鼠都成為他們的責任我想問一下行政院如果鬧了鼠荒您會請誰來處理\n\n01:31.087 --> 01:54.823\n我曾經在日前的院會裡面說過如果讓護理師去做清潔的工作而且變成是日常的常態的工作絕對不可以好那我在這邊具體跟您請命您可不可以在一個月內請衛福部來盤點至少從醫學中心以下開始查讓護理師不要再執行醫療以外專業以外的工作您可以做到嗎一個月內\n\n01:56.008 --> 02:10.133\n這是醫療以外的事情不能成為他的日常的常態你說有時候整理一下環境但是你要監督嘛那絕對不可以成為他的日常工作可以請您一個月內請衛福部來宣導監督這也是我所要求的對謝謝\n\n02:12.094 --> 02:33.006\n下一張我們來看國發會最核心的法定的業務就是辦理政策追蹤所以國發會才會被我們稱為小內閣但是有一個非常特別的地方是您看國發會會把院長院會指示的事項還有院長下鄉巡視的事項以及院長其他交辦事項都保持追蹤\n\n02:33.806 --> 02:52.498\n可是從第十一屆開始我還特別看了第十屆以前都有發表最新的更新第十一屆開始為什麼對立法院這麼針對我們藍綠白的委員都有我們問您的問題您在總時訊息回覆我們答覆我們卻沒有獲得追蹤\n\n02:54.268 --> 03:16.433\n好謝謝委員如果我們這個沒有即時更新的話我回去會責成同仁一定要好你們從去年2月1號開始就沒有更新謝謝好我應該這個月內也會再持續看因為我們有選民反映我在這邊問的問題他們想上去網站點可是看不到是我們會遵事辦理\n\n03:18.151 --> 03:32.649\n再來想要跟院長請教這個國安危機當然以前2018年之後取消了一個人口政策匯報這個匯報是討論少子化高齡化缺工人才荒移民等等的人口問題啦但\n\n03:34.711 --> 03:55.701\n2018年之後呢我們就用一紙公文解散了這個人口政策匯報而改為專案的會議那這個專案會議想必行政院長也很熟因為是您擔任召集人但是他卻在衛福部的社家屬之下的社會福利推動委員會而且每半年才開一次會為什麼這件事很嚴重呢您從2018年以後您看這個曲線圖就會發現\n\n04:00.103 --> 04:19.016\n我們生育率已經一蹶不振了再也無法回頭了我去調了您這五年來的會議記錄會議記錄在右上角會發現雖然您當召集人可是許多部長是由代理人出席再來您仔細去深究裡面的會議內容重點\n\n04:20.177 --> 04:38.607\n很少關於促進生育率幾乎是沒有對比日本在這邊具體的給院長一個建議對比日本他們是把少子化的業務升級原本他們是在後生省裡面成立一個兒童家庭局但是他們在2023年升級到兒童家庭廳\n\n04:40.464 --> 04:49.889\n所以院長有沒有考慮因為等一下我還會給你看更新的數據是不是考慮再把生育率小子化這些相關的業務做一個升級\n\n04:50.711 --> 05:17.849\n好報告委員我們都共同關心少子化問題我跟劉靜清主委我們國發會劉靜清主委討論過我們會用人口對策而不是一個政策人口對策來加強繼續研究我也跟劉主委開過幾次這樣的會議只是我們現在沒有把它成為一個固定形式組織的會議在處理我們會持續加強來針對這個所以您的意思是說除了現在您當交集人的這個會議您會再用其他的形式增加嗎\n\n05:19.109 --> 05:40.439\n這個會議是半年召開一次固定的在之間呢我們會召開很多相關必要的會議我希望提出的是一個人口的對策整體的對策而不是針對哪一個世代的對策像我們關心這些議題的立法院要如何知道您何時召開以及你的會議內容還有您的結論以及您牽涉到這些部會呢\n\n05:41.192 --> 05:54.595\n有具體的結論跟國發會索取資料的時候國發會會整理給委員了解但是我們不會知道你們什麼時候開會啊我們也不知道您的頻率啊還有您會請過來的這些部會首長是哪些部會\n\n05:56.423 --> 06:12.042\n這個會議的會期都是幾乎是不定期隨時都在開的每一天每一週行政院都太多太多但這樣子立法委員也無法善盡監督的責任因為您這個主責我請國發會我們主動來彙整一下過去我們的大大小小會議當中有具體這個結論\n\n06:15.450 --> 06:38.339\n也現在持續在工作的部分所以之後關於人口的政策基本上我們是由國發會來主責是嗎其實那個現在院裡面其實有那個陳時中陳政委有召開因為這個人口的議題是一個跨部會的議題的那跟的確就如院長說的其實我們主委也有跟院長提\n\n06:39.239 --> 07:03.267\n那已經院長副主委我覺得有一點混亂因為你一下在衛福部社家署下一下在國發會現在你又突然講到陳時中政委所以我真的是希望你們可以動起來緊繃並且可以讓立法院知道您的進度還可以監督好嗎好我們再來看一下去年呢我跟您還有主委曾經討論你們這個人口推估系統\n\n07:04.427 --> 07:20.436\n現在我們看來非常荒謬當時主委說龍年會有一個人口的高峰結果龍年比兔年低兔年還比虎年低現在我上網看到他預估今年是直逼13萬13萬出生我在這邊跟您匯報1月的時候出生9000人2月剛好破萬\n\n07:27.700 --> 07:44.963\n三月又是九千人全國的兒科醫師婦產科醫師幼教老師非常的悲觀啊這個比您當初答詢我的內容實在是嚴重太多了你承不承認你們這個國發會的人口推估系統必須要審慎的修正呢\n\n07:45.745 --> 07:50.071\n我們曾經在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰13萬人出生13萬的保衛戰我剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了\n\n08:01.307 --> 08:25.394\n這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過這個保衛戰所以我也希望跟國發會要一個月的修正報告你們要怎麼做這個推估系統而且你既然要做保衛戰我們這些立法員也應該知道你保衛戰的策略是吧因為我們從零歲到二歲零歲到六歲都有不同\n\n08:26.854 --> 08:37.978\n層級時間的一個關於教育跟福利上面的我在這邊也跟院長主委報告韓國雖然他落後我們可是他終於2024年開始止跌回升出生率從0.72到0.75他們\n\n08:41.039 --> 08:59.650\n具體這個有影響力的是他們讓願意生一個願意生兩個願意生兩個以上的這些年輕夫妻住公共住房的年數可以一直往後的延後可是我們昨天我自己本人提案牛許廷委員排案還有王宏威委員提案我們希望\n\n09:00.390 --> 09:21.851\n生育率不到1的台灣我們申請社會住宅可以下降兩個小孩到有生育結果卻被劉仕芳部長狠狠地打臉所以我希望你們開了這麼多會還有陳時中政委還有國發會主委你們一定要把年輕夫妻生育還有生活這種最有感的成本下降才可以好嗎\n\n09:22.773 --> 09:29.445\n內政部在住宅方面應該也有提出相關的鼓勵婚姻鼓勵生子的這個關於住宅延長\n\n09:31.758 --> 09:53.332\n可能要請你們趕快提出,不然不知道守不守得住這個保衛戰那這邊為什麼本席希望你們可以更新這個國發會的追蹤,原因為何?我們又來看公家單位的狀況,你們的計畫裡面說要擴大公部門托育服務示範效果除了現在有洽簽特約方式外,希望各機關托育需求評估設置托育設施,這點現在進度如何?\n\n09:53.832 --> 10:14.885\n公務機關曾經人事有去調查過他們的需求他們都有提出需求像海委會對脫嬰需求有22個孩子脫為需求有48個孩子外交部有11個孩子脫嬰的需求22個孩子育兒的需求結果我們搜尋了你們自己建立的網站因為院長說得很好小子的話方方面面脫育也是您自己說的您到6歲國家養也是您自己說的可是看這邊行政院海委會外交部是通通沒有進度\n\n10:15.345 --> 10:30.571\n但是我是不會他們請命因為像立法院鄰近的公務機關也會來登記我們的托嬰中心所以現在我們那個HOPE已經100多個了所以這並不是說沒有需求其實有需求您只要開始我相信許多行政院附近的公務機關都會很需要您的托嬰跟托育的這樣子設施\n\n10:31.371 --> 10:59.345\n好謝謝委員的提醒我承認我們回去這個問題真的是要好好來討論檢討既然如果沒有特別的設施我們也幫行政院的同仁去搜尋了這個有相關配合的機構結果搜尋得不得了居然托嬰是跟一家在宜蘭一家在高雄做配合那托兒是五家台北市的而且很遠離行政院都非常的遠所以我在這邊很誠懇的建議可以先從公部門我們把它做好畢竟行政院是一個這麼大的部門好的謝謝委員\n\n11:01.855 --> 11:28.615\n結果院長這是去年你六月回覆我的我們看一下剛剛你還是一樣重複零到六歲國家養結果呢剛剛我講到的行政院外交部海委會等等從去年六月到現在說不定又有更多小孩誕生了後面呢還是一樣通通沒有托兒的設施你說檢討改善要進步到底進步在哪裡我實在是看不出來\n\n11:30.097 --> 11:56.522\n再來剛剛我也說有兩個特約的拖音結果一個在高雄一個在宜蘭另外呢台北市是公務人員最多的所以上次您答詢的時候還有五家特約現在只剩下四家拖音是零喔這四家以外呢你仔細看後面簽約的日期已經快要到期了請問您現在可以具體的再給我您的改善措施嗎\n\n11:58.106 --> 12:03.614\n因為你去年六月到現在只是更差而已啊公部門沒有做好我們沒有資格要求私部門啊\n\n12:04.482 --> 12:32.523\n我們有請包括國營事業單位內部也要設這些機構讓自己的同仁能夠在小孩子有地方可以看護那剛剛您所提到的外交部海委會行政院等等我想有時候是誘於本身內部的空間有時候是為了周遭環境沒有辦法結合這個您去年也說過一樣的話他沒有空間的話你也要去弄特約吧你的特約只是越來越小而已周遭可能沒有辦法有這樣足夠的這種\n\n12:33.844 --> 13:02.763\n單位來做合作但是我承諾我們繼續努力去找開發新的合作對象那麼這些原來的這些如果謹慎世家極力的要留下來繼續做這樣的服務好下一個呢剛有賴世保委員還來不及問到這邊也是非常多人關心的能源問題啊我們已經預計要跟美國購買高達六百萬公噸的天然氣而且是七年後才會交貨這已經被各方批評到不行\n\n13:03.624 --> 13:27.847\n因為這件事情從30年前就開始講但是我今天想從一些細節面跟院長討論增氣減煤是民進黨政府推動的核心能源政策而且你們想要把天然氣發電的佔比提高到全國總發電量的50%我今天最擔心的是我們的接收還有儲存能力到底夠不夠院長您先看左上角的這張表\n\n13:29.178 --> 13:40.087\n你看近兩年我們的進口大概都是2000萬公噸上下你們自己官方的數據你官方預測說2025年的天然氣進口需求將達到2300萬左右2030年更預估高達2500萬左右你在做這個官方數據的預估的時候關稅問題還沒出來我們還沒答應美國這個600萬公噸的量我們來看右下角這個表\n\n13:58.982 --> 14:03.089\n我們現在一階二階加起來只能容納1600萬公噸因此呢\n\n14:07.438 --> 14:28.969\n上面的表是今年所發布的但本席很憂心的是我們的負載量從2021年就開始108%2021年經濟部自己說很危險結果現在已經2025年了你連後面的數字都不敢寫出來但我內部得知比108%還要高啦\n\n14:32.137 --> 14:46.148\n維修會出問題國安也會出問題我們對照我們鄰近的國家剛有提到日本跟韓國他們平均負載率只有30到40%國際上合理的負載率是50%曾經2021年呢我們發布經濟部說很危險的時候有一個EnergyUpdate就對巴基斯坦市井說他們高達84%沒有任何靈活度也沒有辦法處理衝擊\n\n15:00.259 --> 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報告委員 我們都共同關心少子化問題我跟劉靜清主委 我們國發會劉靜清主委討論過我們會用人口對策 而不是一個政策人口對策來加強繼續研究我也跟劉主委開過幾次這樣的會議只是我們現在沒有把它成為一個固定形式組織的會議在處理我們會持續加強來針對這個所以您的意思是說 除了現在您當交集人的這個會議您會再用其他的形式增加嗎"},{"start":319.109,"end":340.439,"text":"這個會議是半年召開一次固定的在之間呢我們會召開很多相關必要的會議我希望提出的是一個人口的對策整體的對策而不是針對哪一個世代的對策像我們關心這些議題的立法院要如何知道您何時召開以及你的會議內容還有您的結論以及您牽涉到這些部會呢"},{"start":341.192,"end":354.595,"text":"有具體的結論跟國發會索取資料的時候國發會會整理給委員了解但是我們不會知道你們什麼時候開會啊我們也不知道您的頻率啊還有您會請過來的這些部會首長是哪些部會"},{"start":356.423,"end":372.042,"text":"這個會議的會期都是幾乎是不定期隨時都在開的每一天每一週行政院都太多太多但這樣子立法委員也無法善盡監督的責任因為您這個主責我請國發會我們主動來彙整一下過去我們的大大小小會議當中有具體這個結論"},{"start":375.45,"end":398.339,"text":"也現在持續在工作的部分所以之後關於人口的政策基本上我們是由國發會來主責是嗎其實那個現在院裡面其實有那個陳時中陳政委有召開因為這個人口的議題是一個跨部會的議題的那跟的確就如院長說的其實我們主委也有跟院長提"},{"start":399.239,"end":423.267,"text":"那已經院長副主委我覺得有一點混亂因為你一下在衛福部社家署下一下在國發會現在你又突然講到陳時中政委所以我真的是希望你們可以動起來緊繃並且可以讓立法院知道您的進度還可以監督好嗎好我們再來看一下去年呢我跟您還有主委曾經討論你們這個人口推估系統"},{"start":424.427,"end":440.436,"text":"現在我們看來非常荒謬當時主委說龍年會有一個人口的高峰結果龍年比兔年低 兔年還比虎年低現在我上網看到他預估今年是直逼13萬13萬出生我在這邊跟您匯報1月的時候出生9000人 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幼教老師非常的悲觀啊這個比您當初答詢我的內容實在是嚴重太多了你承不承認你們這個國發會的人口推估系統必須要審慎的修正呢"},{"start":465.745,"end":470.071,"text":"我們曾經在跟國發會討論過程當中設定一個13萬的保衛戰13萬人出生13萬的保衛戰我剛給你三個月的數據您覺得您今年有辦法達到13萬保衛戰嗎我已經給您三個月的數據了"},{"start":481.307,"end":505.394,"text":"這個是要靠我們很多政策跟那要馬上啊不然你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過你今年絕對沒有辦法撐過這個保衛戰所以我也希望跟國發會要一個月的修正報告你們要怎麼做這個推估系統而且你既然要做保衛戰我們這些立法員也應該知道你保衛戰的策略是吧因為我們從零歲到二歲零歲到六歲都有不同"},{"start":506.854,"end":517.978,"text":"層級時間的一個關於教育跟福利上面的我在這邊也跟院長主委報告韓國雖然他落後我們可是他終於2024年開始止跌回升出生率從0.72到0.75他們"},{"start":521.039,"end":539.65,"text":"具體這個有影響力的是他們讓願意生一個願意生兩個願意生兩個以上的這些年輕夫妻住公共住房的年數可以一直往後的延後可是我們昨天我自己本人提案牛許廷委員排案還有王宏威委員提案我們希望"},{"start":540.39,"end":561.851,"text":"生育率不到1的台灣我們申請社會住宅可以下降兩個小孩到有生育結果卻被劉仕芳部長狠狠地打臉所以我希望你們開了這麼多會還有陳時中政委還有國發會主委你們一定要把年輕夫妻生育還有生活這種最有感的成本下降才可以好嗎"},{"start":562.773,"end":569.445,"text":"內政部在住宅方面應該也有提出相關的鼓勵婚姻鼓勵生子的這個關於住宅延長"},{"start":571.758,"end":593.332,"text":"可能要請你們趕快提出,不然不知道守不守得住這個保衛戰那這邊為什麼本席希望你們可以更新這個國發會的追蹤,原因為何?我們又來看公家單位的狀況,你們的計畫裡面說要擴大公部門托育服務示範效果除了現在有洽簽特約方式外,希望各機關托育需求評估設置托育設施,這點現在進度如何?"},{"start":593.832,"end":614.885,"text":"公務機關曾經人事有去調查過他們的需求他們都有提出需求像海委會對脫嬰需求有22個孩子脫為需求有48個孩子外交部有11個孩子脫嬰的需求22個孩子育兒的需求結果我們搜尋了你們自己建立的網站因為院長說得很好小子的話方方面面脫育也是您自己說的您到6歲國家養也是您自己說的可是看這邊行政院海委會外交部是通通沒有進度"},{"start":615.345,"end":630.571,"text":"但是我是不會他們請命因為像立法院鄰近的公務機關也會來登記我們的托嬰中心所以現在我們那個HOPE已經100多個了所以這並不是說沒有需求其實有需求您只要開始我相信許多行政院附近的公務機關都會很需要您的托嬰跟托育的這樣子設施"},{"start":631.371,"end":659.345,"text":"好 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