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00:01:02,138\n造成整個國內中小企業以及上市上櫃公司1850幾家公司忐忑不安截至目前為止因為我們又多了90天的緩衝期不曉得院長對於台灣未來在全世界的經濟定位上\n\n3\n00:01:03,109 --> 00:01:32,085\n有沒有思考過如果他的關稅是維持32%對我們的影響是怎麼樣有沒有可能是100%有沒有可能是50%或者是說也許可以回復到更低的我們叢林關稅開始談起根據剛剛所講本席所的123的情況你們可不可以大概回應一下你們所做好的沙盤推演\n\n4\n00:01:33,063 --> 00:01:59,892\n如果依照我們現在談判團隊進行談判的目標爭取國家最大利益跟維持產業在國際的競爭力這兩項來講我們當然希望從最低的關稅相互等的關稅來談及那這個最好能夠依照現在現行的關稅來做一個比較會比較好同時第一個比較是我們跟我們競爭國家的關稅我們絕對不能高於我們的競爭國家我們的國際競爭力才能維持\n\n5\n00:02:02,453 --> 00:02:26,523\n所以這兩個標準這兩個要求是我們賦予談判團隊在談判過程當中一定要為國家爭取的當然談判的過程當中我們很辛苦啦因為總是這個整個世界是現實的嘛大小還有他的實力是那麼樣的強我們只能夾縫中求生存不過在這裡還是要拜託\n\n6\n00:02:28,001 --> 00:02:53,898\n卓院長能體恤民情啊畢竟這波關稅大戰下來的話大概海嘯第一排啊大概有二十幾萬人首當其衝包括做inverter、做PCB、做工具機、做螺絲加工等等啊做自行車等等啊這些啊都需要政府的支持特別\n\n7\n00:02:55,165 --> 00:03:14,663\n我們整個體制就是企業是靠銀行銀行要支持企業企業才能照顧員工是不是在這個面對如果是維持高關稅的時候政府可以提出相關的應急措施過去也曾經提過\n\n8\n00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:26,262\n政府挺銀行銀行挺企業企業挺員工三挺的原則的確度過了難關不曉得政府有沒有準備好\n\n9\n00:03:27,486 --> 00:03:51,893\n所以我們在這個九大面向二十項措施裡面無論是針對工業或是農業第一個舉出的就是金融支持對於貸款、額度、利息的減免等等我們都做了很多在面對不同的產業不同的需求方面甚至對於它的保險我們也做了要求另外我們在租稅方面也進行降低甚至降到百分之一的都有\n\n10\n00:03:53,101 --> 00:04:16,617\n另外我們在降低行政成本上面這是政府可以吸收的部分我們都有因為國難當頭啊大家互相的照顧互相扶持我覺得這個是應該的而且要大力來支持特別是一般的員工啊如果他如果突然因為企業沒有辦法經營那失去了這個工作我的天啊\n\n11\n00:04:17,741 --> 00:04:43,149\n這真的是非常痛苦的事情所以希望政府未雨綢繆在面對現在當前的情況之下以及未來輔導就業方面應該來做妥適的調整那不曉得院長這裡有沒有整個沙盤推演整理過最需要救的是哪幾群類的最美國在\n\n12\n00:04:46,101 --> 00:04:58,099\n這個衝擊最大的如果是電子通訊產業那就是它的攝服器跟這個顯示卡這個是最重要的那您剛剛提到的金屬扣件\n\n13\n00:04:58,703 --> 00:05:16,470\n金屬螺絲這個部分所以我們在這一次的特別條例追溯到3月12號就開始因為那個時候鋼鐵就課徵25%已經擴及到它所有的衍生產品所以我們也擴及到了若是我們還有沒有去設想到的那麼委員可以提供出來我們可以再進行討論\n\n14\n00:05:18,261 --> 00:05:47,215\n謝謝那這樣看初期聽起來的話上次講到說880億現在有再往前往上增加了嗎930億930億夠不夠啊這一階段我們希望這樣子因為它執行的年時間設定是將近兩年九個月到116年的12月31號我們希望在這段時間內一方面進行有效的談判一方面對政府對企業就做這樣直接的支持再來希望\n\n15\n00:05:48,248 --> 00:06:13,459\n企業之間國際的貿易秩序也會重整我們也必須做一些調適那這個部分我們多重來進行院長有沒有想過川普總統美國總統他心裡究竟在想什麼那就是希望降低美國的赤字讓美國的逆差可以減少讓美國可以再工業化這就是他所謂讓美國再度偉大的一個路徑對\n\n16\n00:06:15,216 --> 00:06:40,940\n美國要偉大那台灣也不能變小啊我們希望說跟上他的步驟讓台灣實力更強大我們就能夠幫助所有世界的國家發展更高科技的經濟跟領域我們現在都跟著美國的路線走那請教我們過去的南向政策或者是西向的政策現在面對這樣的情況會不會有所調整\n\n17\n00:06:41,889 --> 00:07:06,345\n我們過去從西進到南向我們現在到東拓甚至到北河我們希望四方面都走但是在當中我們希望跟我們民主有門國家做更多可信任可信賴的合作所以在這個所謂民主供應鏈上台灣必須也一定要扮演一個重要的角色台灣在製造業高科技的製造業上的領先地位讓我們現在更有實力讓自己強大\n\n18\n00:07:07,869 --> 00:07:22,560\n我們為我們台灣的一些表現而驕傲但是有一點要提醒院長人是英雄錢是大很多的台商很多企業家出去事實上都是赤手空拳\n\n19\n00:07:23,300 --> 00:07:38,572\n靠一己之力政府給的不多啊我們希望政府啊可以運用現在現有的一些資源比如說我們的外匯存底現在是非常的豐厚我們現在國家有沒有外債我們外匯存底相當高啊我們外匯存底高有沒有外債沒有啦沒有外債啦齁\n\n20\n00:07:48,174 --> 00:08:13,426\n所以我們有5700多億美金的外匯存底那裡面有92%都是買美國公債院長不曉得有沒有統計過我們其他還有的銀行還有保險還有很多公司購買美國的外債累積加起來大概有多少\n\n21\n00:08:14,093 --> 00:08:39,578\n央行對這個數字一直有一點調整而且央行一直保持它的靈活央行在匯率它沒有做直接的干預但是持續保持它的穩定它在對我們買取外國公債的這個過程當中也持續的審慎的評估但目前正是一個觀察期我們跟央行也談過幾次目前做什麼樣的改變或做什麼樣的調整是最好央行認為現在是一個觀察期\n\n22\n00:08:40,789 --> 00:08:48,376\n既然是觀察期,就是剛剛提到的除了央行手上的美國公債之外,另外保險公司也很多\n\n23\n00:08:49,383 --> 00:09:18,005\n可以統計一下保險公司銀行等於加起來的話團結這些所有美國的公債我們手上其實是有相當多的籌碼可以作為談判的一個運用所以我們在經濟發展委員會當中一項重大的決議就是造源投資台灣它的來源有一大部分希望是從保險業的資金能夠回到台灣來\n\n24\n00:09:19,199 --> 00:09:34,467\n那個是保險法第46條我們現在就想說剛剛說希望可以帶著所有的企業走向全世界各個地方台灣需不需要來成立一個主權基金\n\n25\n00:09:35,678 --> 00:09:59,498\n這是一個很好的建議台灣要主權基金必須我們想到它的規模有多大能夠做什麼樣的合作投資那麼有專業的人士能夠來管理在國家的法令底下而且能夠及時的去發展它的效力我覺得這個是一個相當具體的一個建議我們看到挪威有我們看到新加坡有這個主權基金在\n\n26\n00:10:01,298 --> 00:10:24,177\n帶領企業出去的時候除了企業有自己的真本事能力之外投資就需要有金錢這時候主權基金就可以扮演一個很好的資源的角色所以我們如果來推這個整個主權基金不曉得院長有沒有想過大概這個規模要多大\n\n27\n00:10:26,301 --> 00:10:52,375\n這個真的要思考這個可能跟現在我們國家的整體的GDP的實力相關也跟我們的外匯存底相關那我們也真的跟央行有討論過類似的案這個內容但目前我說央行還在就目前這個國際局勢當中在想出一個比較可行的方式在做建議在建議到現在還沒有出來是我們希望後指國力因為整個世界的變化\n\n28\n00:10:52,984 --> 00:11:09,941\n非常非常快速我們只有把自己培原固本把自己的口袋以及經濟實力紮根做穩出去的話公園才會大聲所以希望院長也可以多多支持一下\n\n29\n00:11:10,492 --> 00:11:28,764\n另外這個股市是經濟的櫥窗我們看到台股大概因為國安基金的進場那有國安基金在看大概守住大概兩萬點上下左右但是事實上對於未來的發展\n\n30\n00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:45,658\n大家還是心裡很害怕這個牽涉到所有的外債的情況之外還有一個就是國安基金國安基金現在五千億不夠啊院長是不是應該要卓與增加\n\n31\n00:11:47,482 --> 00:12:14,102\n國安基金因為國安基金的運作其實它有一個機制那如果要再增加的話事實上它是需要再跟許多的部會一起來做討論你們開始有沒有研究了因為面對劇烈的挑戰我們要多一點的準備來保護整個資本市場安全平穩的運作\n\n32\n00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:44,179\n是那我們就把委員的意見我們帶回去來做研究是因為大概五千多億五千億相較以前剛開始設立的時候現在的整個市場規模已經成長到九倍以上如果九倍了那大概也應該要四五兆左右啦那也許可能現在沒有辦法達到那麼多那起碼國安基金也應該成長到兩兆左右\n\n33\n00:12:45,728 --> 00:13:02,518\n因為大概當初設想是股市是1萬點的時候大概那個基礎再看現在股市已經2萬點了所以請卓院長這邊也可以責成相關單位大概來構思一下看看怎麼樣做與時俱進的調整\n\n34\n00:13:03,991 --> 00:13:33,110\n在面對關稅新的政策世界貿易秩序重整之後我們現在面臨的將來就是匯率跟整個貨幣匯率的一個調整的期會來所以在這個時候讓國家有更強大的資金成本做各種必要的投資同時對於國內的股市更穩定的力道能夠下去以照過去的方式來看現在我們國安基金規模確實不足我們都有做過這樣的研判是好那就加油\n\n35\n00:13:33,697 --> 00:13:57,518\n另外有關台灣現在一直希望把它定位發展成為亞洲的資產管理中心一直在推但是我們看到美國特別是川普政府他已經開始推動認可虛擬貨幣比特幣等等的交易模式我們看到\n\n36\n00:13:58,698 --> 00:14:25,665\n現在十年期的美國公債它的殖利率也開始飆竄了那漸漸就變成大家對美元未來的整個世界定位有一點點的懷疑那不曉得院長知不支持像美國一樣把比特幣也納入成為台灣的一個正常的金融發展的項目之一\n\n37\n00:14:26,414 --> 00:14:54,615\n是的我們在亞洲資產管理中心現在在金管會的籌劃底下召集了很多的金融單位也在高雄有一個實驗的場域那另外就是對於這些虛擬貨幣我們也開始要把它納管將幣商納管將來納管之後我們就更有管理的辦法跟實際上要求他們做一些合法的行為這樣會增加人民對它的信任度我想這個是世界興隆創新的一個潮流我們也必須跟得上這樣的潮流\n\n38\n00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:20,388\n我們看香港、新加坡、美國、日本到處都已經開始接受虛擬貨幣未來在AI新時代的來臨之後我們想在裡面的交易模式各方面也是需要虛擬貨幣所以希望政府可以多加油坦然的去面對它接受它、處理它甚至來輔導它\n\n39\n00:15:22,366 --> 00:15:27,876\n可以這樣做嗎我們願意來跟世界這樣的一個金融創新的潮流連結在一起\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8723\t15649\t韓議長 卓院長以及出列席官員大家午安可不可以請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長你好我們面對整個國際局勢的變化因為台灣是潛疊經濟事實上我們都是洞見觀瞻因為關稅的問題\n37930\t62138\t造成整個國內中小企業以及上市上櫃公司1850幾家公司忐忑不安截至目前為止因為我們又多了90天的緩衝期不曉得院長對於台灣未來在全世界的經濟定位上\n63109\t92085\t有沒有思考過如果他的關稅是維持32%對我們的影響是怎麼樣有沒有可能是100%有沒有可能是50%或者是說也許可以回復到更低的我們叢林關稅開始談起根據剛剛所講本席所的123的情況你們可不可以大概回應一下你們所做好的沙盤推演\n93063\t119892\t如果依照我們現在談判團隊進行談判的目標爭取國家最大利益跟維持產業在國際的競爭力這兩項來講我們當然希望從最低的關稅相互等的關稅來談及那這個最好能夠依照現在現行的關稅來做一個比較會比較好同時第一個比較是我們跟我們競爭國家的關稅我們絕對不能高於我們的競爭國家我們的國際競爭力才能維持\n122453\t146523\t所以這兩個標準這兩個要求是我們賦予談判團隊在談判過程當中一定要為國家爭取的當然談判的過程當中我們很辛苦啦因為總是這個整個世界是現實的嘛大小還有他的實力是那麼樣的強我們只能夾縫中求生存不過在這裡還是要拜託\n148001\t173898\t卓院長能體恤民情啊畢竟這波關稅大戰下來的話大概海嘯第一排啊大概有二十幾萬人首當其衝包括做inverter、做PCB、做工具機、做螺絲加工等等啊做自行車等等啊這些啊都需要政府的支持特別\n175165\t194663\t我們整個體制就是企業是靠銀行銀行要支持企業企業才能照顧員工是不是在這個面對如果是維持高關稅的時候政府可以提出相關的應急措施過去也曾經提過\n195919\t206262\t政府挺銀行 銀行挺企業 企業挺員工三挺的原則的確度過了難關不曉得政府有沒有準備好\n207486\t231893\t所以我們在這個九大面向二十項措施裡面無論是針對工業或是農業第一個舉出的就是金融支持對於貸款、額度、利息的減免等等我們都做了很多在面對不同的產業不同的需求方面甚至對於它的保險我們也做了要求另外我們在租稅方面也進行降低甚至降到百分之一的都有\n233101\t256617\t另外我們在降低行政成本上面這是政府可以吸收的部分我們都有因為國難當頭啊大家互相的照顧互相扶持我覺得這個是應該的而且要大力來支持特別是一般的員工啊如果他如果突然因為企業沒有辦法經營那失去了這個工作我的天啊\n257741\t283149\t這真的是非常痛苦的事情所以希望政府未雨綢繆在面對現在當前的情況之下以及未來輔導就業方面應該來做妥適的調整那不曉得院長這裡有沒有整個沙盤推演整理過最需要救的是哪幾群類的最美國在\n286101\t298099\t這個衝擊最大的如果是電子通訊產業那就是它的攝服器跟這個顯示卡這個是最重要的那您剛剛提到的金屬扣件\n298703\t316470\t金屬螺絲這個部分所以我們在這一次的特別條例追溯到3月12號就開始因為那個時候鋼鐵就課徵25%已經擴及到它所有的衍生產品所以我們也擴及到了若是我們還有沒有去設想到的那麼委員可以提供出來我們可以再進行討論\n318261\t347215\t謝謝那這樣看初期聽起來的話上次講到說880億現在有再往前往上增加了嗎930億930億夠不夠啊這一階段我們希望這樣子因為它執行的年時間設定是將近兩年九個月到116年的12月31號我們希望在這段時間內一方面進行有效的談判一方面對政府對企業就做這樣直接的支持再來希望\n348248\t373459\t企業之間國際的貿易秩序也會重整我們也必須做一些調適那這個部分我們多重來進行院長有沒有想過川普總統美國總統他心裡究竟在想什麼那就是希望降低美國的赤字讓美國的逆差可以減少讓美國可以再工業化這就是他所謂讓美國再度偉大的一個路徑對\n375216\t400940\t美國要偉大那台灣也不能變小啊我們希望說跟上他的步驟讓台灣實力更強大我們就能夠幫助所有世界的國家發展更高科技的經濟跟領域我們現在都跟著美國的路線走那請教我們過去的南向政策或者是西向的政策現在面對這樣的情況會不會有所調整\n401889\t426345\t我們過去從西進到南向我們現在到東拓甚至到北河我們希望四方面都走但是在當中我們希望跟我們民主有門國家做更多可信任可信賴的合作所以在這個所謂民主供應鏈上台灣必須也一定要扮演一個重要的角色台灣在製造業高科技的製造業上的領先地位讓我們現在更有實力讓自己強大\n427869\t442560\t我們為我們台灣的一些表現而驕傲但是有一點要提醒院長人是英雄錢是大很多的台商很多企業家出去事實上都是赤手空拳\n443300\t458572\t靠一己之力政府給的不多啊我們希望政府啊可以運用現在現有的一些資源比如說我們的外匯存底現在是非常的豐厚我們現在國家有沒有外債我們外匯存底相當高啊我們外匯存底高有沒有外債沒有啦 沒有外債啦齁\n468174\t493426\t所以我們有5700多億美金的外匯存底那裡面有92%都是買美國公債院長不曉得有沒有統計過我們其他還有的銀行還有保險還有很多公司購買美國的外債累積加起來大概有多少\n494093\t519578\t央行對這個數字一直有一點調整而且央行一直保持它的靈活央行在匯率它沒有做直接的干預但是持續保持它的穩定它在對我們買取外國公債的這個過程當中也持續的審慎的評估但目前正是一個觀察期我們跟央行也談過幾次目前做什麼樣的改變或做什麼樣的調整是最好央行認為現在是一個觀察期\n520789\t528376\t既然是觀察期,就是剛剛提到的除了央行手上的美國公債之外,另外保險公司也很多\n529383\t558005\t可以統計一下保險公司 銀行等於加起來的話團結這些所有美國的公債我們手上其實是有相當多的籌碼可以作為談判的一個運用所以我們在經濟發展委員會當中一項重大的決議就是造源投資台灣它的來源有一大部分希望是從保險業的資金能夠回到台灣來\n559199\t574467\t那個是保險法第46條我們現在就想說剛剛說希望可以帶著所有的企業走向全世界各個地方台灣需不需要來成立一個主權基金\n575678\t599498\t這是一個很好的建議台灣要主權基金必須我們想到它的規模有多大能夠做什麼樣的合作投資那麼有專業的人士能夠來管理在國家的法令底下而且能夠及時的去發展它的效力我覺得這個是一個相當具體的一個建議我們看到挪威有我們看到新加坡有這個主權基金在\n601298\t624177\t帶領企業出去的時候除了企業有自己的真本事能力之外投資就需要有金錢這時候主權基金就可以扮演一個很好的資源的角色所以我們如果來推這個整個主權基金不曉得院長有沒有想過大概這個規模要多大\n626301\t652375\t這個真的要思考這個可能跟現在我們國家的整體的GDP的實力相關也跟我們的外匯存底相關那我們也真的跟央行有討論過類似的案這個內容但目前我說央行還在就目前這個國際局勢當中在想出一個比較可行的方式在做建議在建議到現在還沒有出來是 我們希望後指國力因為整個世界的變化\n652984\t669941\t非常非常快速我們只有把自己培原固本把自己的口袋以及經濟實力紮根做穩出去的話公園才會大聲所以希望院長也可以多多支持一下\n670492\t688764\t另外這個股市是經濟的櫥窗我們看到台股大概因為國安基金的進場那有國安基金在看大概守住大概兩萬點上下左右但是事實上對於未來的發展\n689690\t705658\t大家還是心裡很害怕這個牽涉到所有的外債的情況之外還有一個就是國安基金國安基金現在五千億不夠啊院長是不是應該要卓與增加\n707482\t734102\t國安基金因為國安基金的運作其實它有一個機制那如果要再增加的話事實上它是需要再跟許多的部會一起來做討論你們開始有沒有研究了因為面對劇烈的挑戰我們要多一點的準備來保護整個資本市場安全平穩的運作\n736980\t764179\t是 那我們就把委員的意見我們帶回去來做研究是因為大概五千多億五千億相較以前剛開始設立的時候現在的整個市場規模已經成長到九倍以上如果九倍了那大概也應該要四五兆左右啦那也許可能現在沒有辦法達到那麼多那起碼國安基金也應該成長到兩兆左右\n765728\t782518\t因為大概當初設想是股市是1萬點的時候大概那個基礎再看現在股市已經2萬點了所以請卓院長這邊也可以責成相關單位大概來構思一下看看怎麼樣做與時俱進的調整\n783991\t813110\t在面對關稅新的政策世界貿易秩序重整之後我們現在面臨的將來就是匯率跟整個貨幣匯率的一個調整的期會來所以在這個時候讓國家有更強大的資金成本做各種必要的投資同時對於國內的股市更穩定的力道能夠下去以照過去的方式來看現在我們國安基金規模確實不足我們都有做過這樣的研判是 好 那就加油\n813697\t837518\t另外有關台灣現在一直希望把它定位發展成為亞洲的資產管理中心一直在推但是我們看到美國特別是川普政府他已經開始推動認可虛擬貨幣比特幣等等的交易模式我們看到\n838698\t865665\t現在十年期的美國公債它的殖利率也開始飆竄了那漸漸就變成大家對美元未來的整個世界定位有一點點的懷疑那不曉得院長知不支持像美國一樣把比特幣也納入成為台灣的一個正常的金融發展的項目之一\n866414\t894615\t是的 我們在亞洲資產管理中心現在在金管會的籌劃底下召集了很多的金融單位也在高雄有一個實驗的場域那另外就是對於這些虛擬貨幣我們也開始要把它納管將幣商納管 將來納管之後我們就更有管理的辦法跟實際上要求他們做一些合法的行為這樣會增加人民對它的信任度我想這個是世界興隆創新的一個潮流我們也必須跟得上這樣的潮流\n895360\t920388\t我們看香港、新加坡、美國、日本到處都已經開始接受虛擬貨幣未來在AI新時代的來臨之後我們想在裡面的交易模式各方面也是需要虛擬貨幣所以希望政府可以多加油坦然的去面對它接受它、處理它甚至來輔導它\n922366\t927876\t可以這樣做嗎我們願意來跟世界這樣的一個金融創新的潮流連結在一起\n","txt":"韓議長 卓院長以及出列席官員大家午安可不可以請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長你好我們面對整個國際局勢的變化因為台灣是潛疊經濟事實上我們都是洞見觀瞻因為關稅的問題\n造成整個國內中小企業以及上市上櫃公司1850幾家公司忐忑不安截至目前為止因為我們又多了90天的緩衝期不曉得院長對於台灣未來在全世界的經濟定位上\n有沒有思考過如果他的關稅是維持32%對我們的影響是怎麼樣有沒有可能是100%有沒有可能是50%或者是說也許可以回復到更低的我們叢林關稅開始談起根據剛剛所講本席所的123的情況你們可不可以大概回應一下你們所做好的沙盤推演\n如果依照我們現在談判團隊進行談判的目標爭取國家最大利益跟維持產業在國際的競爭力這兩項來講我們當然希望從最低的關稅相互等的關稅來談及那這個最好能夠依照現在現行的關稅來做一個比較會比較好同時第一個比較是我們跟我們競爭國家的關稅我們絕對不能高於我們的競爭國家我們的國際競爭力才能維持\n所以這兩個標準這兩個要求是我們賦予談判團隊在談判過程當中一定要為國家爭取的當然談判的過程當中我們很辛苦啦因為總是這個整個世界是現實的嘛大小還有他的實力是那麼樣的強我們只能夾縫中求生存不過在這裡還是要拜託\n卓院長能體恤民情啊畢竟這波關稅大戰下來的話大概海嘯第一排啊大概有二十幾萬人首當其衝包括做inverter、做PCB、做工具機、做螺絲加工等等啊做自行車等等啊這些啊都需要政府的支持特別\n我們整個體制就是企業是靠銀行銀行要支持企業企業才能照顧員工是不是在這個面對如果是維持高關稅的時候政府可以提出相關的應急措施過去也曾經提過\n政府挺銀行 銀行挺企業 企業挺員工三挺的原則的確度過了難關不曉得政府有沒有準備好\n所以我們在這個九大面向二十項措施裡面無論是針對工業或是農業第一個舉出的就是金融支持對於貸款、額度、利息的減免等等我們都做了很多在面對不同的產業不同的需求方面甚至對於它的保險我們也做了要求另外我們在租稅方面也進行降低甚至降到百分之一的都有\n另外我們在降低行政成本上面這是政府可以吸收的部分我們都有因為國難當頭啊大家互相的照顧互相扶持我覺得這個是應該的而且要大力來支持特別是一般的員工啊如果他如果突然因為企業沒有辦法經營那失去了這個工作我的天啊\n這真的是非常痛苦的事情所以希望政府未雨綢繆在面對現在當前的情況之下以及未來輔導就業方面應該來做妥適的調整那不曉得院長這裡有沒有整個沙盤推演整理過最需要救的是哪幾群類的最美國在\n這個衝擊最大的如果是電子通訊產業那就是它的攝服器跟這個顯示卡這個是最重要的那您剛剛提到的金屬扣件\n金屬螺絲這個部分所以我們在這一次的特別條例追溯到3月12號就開始因為那個時候鋼鐵就課徵25%已經擴及到它所有的衍生產品所以我們也擴及到了若是我們還有沒有去設想到的那麼委員可以提供出來我們可以再進行討論\n謝謝那這樣看初期聽起來的話上次講到說880億現在有再往前往上增加了嗎930億930億夠不夠啊這一階段我們希望這樣子因為它執行的年時間設定是將近兩年九個月到116年的12月31號我們希望在這段時間內一方面進行有效的談判一方面對政府對企業就做這樣直接的支持再來希望\n企業之間國際的貿易秩序也會重整我們也必須做一些調適那這個部分我們多重來進行院長有沒有想過川普總統美國總統他心裡究竟在想什麼那就是希望降低美國的赤字讓美國的逆差可以減少讓美國可以再工業化這就是他所謂讓美國再度偉大的一個路徑對\n美國要偉大那台灣也不能變小啊我們希望說跟上他的步驟讓台灣實力更強大我們就能夠幫助所有世界的國家發展更高科技的經濟跟領域我們現在都跟著美國的路線走那請教我們過去的南向政策或者是西向的政策現在面對這樣的情況會不會有所調整\n我們過去從西進到南向我們現在到東拓甚至到北河我們希望四方面都走但是在當中我們希望跟我們民主有門國家做更多可信任可信賴的合作所以在這個所謂民主供應鏈上台灣必須也一定要扮演一個重要的角色台灣在製造業高科技的製造業上的領先地位讓我們現在更有實力讓自己強大\n我們為我們台灣的一些表現而驕傲但是有一點要提醒院長人是英雄錢是大很多的台商很多企業家出去事實上都是赤手空拳\n靠一己之力政府給的不多啊我們希望政府啊可以運用現在現有的一些資源比如說我們的外匯存底現在是非常的豐厚我們現在國家有沒有外債我們外匯存底相當高啊我們外匯存底高有沒有外債沒有啦 沒有外債啦齁\n所以我們有5700多億美金的外匯存底那裡面有92%都是買美國公債院長不曉得有沒有統計過我們其他還有的銀行還有保險還有很多公司購買美國的外債累積加起來大概有多少\n央行對這個數字一直有一點調整而且央行一直保持它的靈活央行在匯率它沒有做直接的干預但是持續保持它的穩定它在對我們買取外國公債的這個過程當中也持續的審慎的評估但目前正是一個觀察期我們跟央行也談過幾次目前做什麼樣的改變或做什麼樣的調整是最好央行認為現在是一個觀察期\n既然是觀察期,就是剛剛提到的除了央行手上的美國公債之外,另外保險公司也很多\n可以統計一下保險公司 銀行等於加起來的話團結這些所有美國的公債我們手上其實是有相當多的籌碼可以作為談判的一個運用所以我們在經濟發展委員會當中一項重大的決議就是造源投資台灣它的來源有一大部分希望是從保險業的資金能夠回到台灣來\n那個是保險法第46條我們現在就想說剛剛說希望可以帶著所有的企業走向全世界各個地方台灣需不需要來成立一個主權基金\n這是一個很好的建議台灣要主權基金必須我們想到它的規模有多大能夠做什麼樣的合作投資那麼有專業的人士能夠來管理在國家的法令底下而且能夠及時的去發展它的效力我覺得這個是一個相當具體的一個建議我們看到挪威有我們看到新加坡有這個主權基金在\n帶領企業出去的時候除了企業有自己的真本事能力之外投資就需要有金錢這時候主權基金就可以扮演一個很好的資源的角色所以我們如果來推這個整個主權基金不曉得院長有沒有想過大概這個規模要多大\n這個真的要思考這個可能跟現在我們國家的整體的GDP的實力相關也跟我們的外匯存底相關那我們也真的跟央行有討論過類似的案這個內容但目前我說央行還在就目前這個國際局勢當中在想出一個比較可行的方式在做建議在建議到現在還沒有出來是 我們希望後指國力因為整個世界的變化\n非常非常快速我們只有把自己培原固本把自己的口袋以及經濟實力紮根做穩出去的話公園才會大聲所以希望院長也可以多多支持一下\n另外這個股市是經濟的櫥窗我們看到台股大概因為國安基金的進場那有國安基金在看大概守住大概兩萬點上下左右但是事實上對於未來的發展\n大家還是心裡很害怕這個牽涉到所有的外債的情況之外還有一個就是國安基金國安基金現在五千億不夠啊院長是不是應該要卓與增加\n國安基金因為國安基金的運作其實它有一個機制那如果要再增加的話事實上它是需要再跟許多的部會一起來做討論你們開始有沒有研究了因為面對劇烈的挑戰我們要多一點的準備來保護整個資本市場安全平穩的運作\n是 那我們就把委員的意見我們帶回去來做研究是因為大概五千多億五千億相較以前剛開始設立的時候現在的整個市場規模已經成長到九倍以上如果九倍了那大概也應該要四五兆左右啦那也許可能現在沒有辦法達到那麼多那起碼國安基金也應該成長到兩兆左右\n因為大概當初設想是股市是1萬點的時候大概那個基礎再看現在股市已經2萬點了所以請卓院長這邊也可以責成相關單位大概來構思一下看看怎麼樣做與時俱進的調整\n在面對關稅新的政策世界貿易秩序重整之後我們現在面臨的將來就是匯率跟整個貨幣匯率的一個調整的期會來所以在這個時候讓國家有更強大的資金成本做各種必要的投資同時對於國內的股市更穩定的力道能夠下去以照過去的方式來看現在我們國安基金規模確實不足我們都有做過這樣的研判是 好 那就加油\n另外有關台灣現在一直希望把它定位發展成為亞洲的資產管理中心一直在推但是我們看到美國特別是川普政府他已經開始推動認可虛擬貨幣比特幣等等的交易模式我們看到\n現在十年期的美國公債它的殖利率也開始飆竄了那漸漸就變成大家對美元未來的整個世界定位有一點點的懷疑那不曉得院長知不支持像美國一樣把比特幣也納入成為台灣的一個正常的金融發展的項目之一\n是的 我們在亞洲資產管理中心現在在金管會的籌劃底下召集了很多的金融單位也在高雄有一個實驗的場域那另外就是對於這些虛擬貨幣我們也開始要把它納管將幣商納管 將來納管之後我們就更有管理的辦法跟實際上要求他們做一些合法的行為這樣會增加人民對它的信任度我想這個是世界興隆創新的一個潮流我們也必須跟得上這樣的潮流\n我們看香港、新加坡、美國、日本到處都已經開始接受虛擬貨幣未來在AI新時代的來臨之後我們想在裡面的交易模式各方面也是需要虛擬貨幣所以希望政府可以多加油坦然的去面對它接受它、處理它甚至來輔導它\n可以這樣做嗎我們願意來跟世界這樣的一個金融創新的潮流連結在一起\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.723 --> 00:15.649\n韓議長卓院長以及出列席官員大家午安可不可以請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢卓院長你好我們面對整個國際局勢的變化因為台灣是潛疊經濟事實上我們都是洞見觀瞻因為關稅的問題\n\n00:37.930 --> 01:02.138\n造成整個國內中小企業以及上市上櫃公司1850幾家公司忐忑不安截至目前為止因為我們又多了90天的緩衝期不曉得院長對於台灣未來在全世界的經濟定位上\n\n01:03.109 --> 01:32.085\n有沒有思考過如果他的關稅是維持32%對我們的影響是怎麼樣有沒有可能是100%有沒有可能是50%或者是說也許可以回復到更低的我們叢林關稅開始談起根據剛剛所講本席所的123的情況你們可不可以大概回應一下你們所做好的沙盤推演\n\n01:33.063 --> 01:59.892\n如果依照我們現在談判團隊進行談判的目標爭取國家最大利益跟維持產業在國際的競爭力這兩項來講我們當然希望從最低的關稅相互等的關稅來談及那這個最好能夠依照現在現行的關稅來做一個比較會比較好同時第一個比較是我們跟我們競爭國家的關稅我們絕對不能高於我們的競爭國家我們的國際競爭力才能維持\n\n02:02.453 --> 02:26.523\n所以這兩個標準這兩個要求是我們賦予談判團隊在談判過程當中一定要為國家爭取的當然談判的過程當中我們很辛苦啦因為總是這個整個世界是現實的嘛大小還有他的實力是那麼樣的強我們只能夾縫中求生存不過在這裡還是要拜託\n\n02:28.001 --> 02:53.898\n卓院長能體恤民情啊畢竟這波關稅大戰下來的話大概海嘯第一排啊大概有二十幾萬人首當其衝包括做inverter、做PCB、做工具機、做螺絲加工等等啊做自行車等等啊這些啊都需要政府的支持特別\n\n02:55.165 --> 03:14.663\n我們整個體制就是企業是靠銀行銀行要支持企業企業才能照顧員工是不是在這個面對如果是維持高關稅的時候政府可以提出相關的應急措施過去也曾經提過\n\n03:15.919 --> 03:26.262\n政府挺銀行銀行挺企業企業挺員工三挺的原則的確度過了難關不曉得政府有沒有準備好\n\n03:27.486 --> 03:51.893\n所以我們在這個九大面向二十項措施裡面無論是針對工業或是農業第一個舉出的就是金融支持對於貸款、額度、利息的減免等等我們都做了很多在面對不同的產業不同的需求方面甚至對於它的保險我們也做了要求另外我們在租稅方面也進行降低甚至降到百分之一的都有\n\n03:53.101 --> 04:16.617\n另外我們在降低行政成本上面這是政府可以吸收的部分我們都有因為國難當頭啊大家互相的照顧互相扶持我覺得這個是應該的而且要大力來支持特別是一般的員工啊如果他如果突然因為企業沒有辦法經營那失去了這個工作我的天啊\n\n04:17.741 --> 04:43.149\n這真的是非常痛苦的事情所以希望政府未雨綢繆在面對現在當前的情況之下以及未來輔導就業方面應該來做妥適的調整那不曉得院長這裡有沒有整個沙盤推演整理過最需要救的是哪幾群類的最美國在\n\n04:46.101 --> 04:58.099\n這個衝擊最大的如果是電子通訊產業那就是它的攝服器跟這個顯示卡這個是最重要的那您剛剛提到的金屬扣件\n\n04:58.703 --> 05:16.470\n金屬螺絲這個部分所以我們在這一次的特別條例追溯到3月12號就開始因為那個時候鋼鐵就課徵25%已經擴及到它所有的衍生產品所以我們也擴及到了若是我們還有沒有去設想到的那麼委員可以提供出來我們可以再進行討論\n\n05:18.261 --> 05:47.215\n謝謝那這樣看初期聽起來的話上次講到說880億現在有再往前往上增加了嗎930億930億夠不夠啊這一階段我們希望這樣子因為它執行的年時間設定是將近兩年九個月到116年的12月31號我們希望在這段時間內一方面進行有效的談判一方面對政府對企業就做這樣直接的支持再來希望\n\n05:48.248 --> 06:13.459\n企業之間國際的貿易秩序也會重整我們也必須做一些調適那這個部分我們多重來進行院長有沒有想過川普總統美國總統他心裡究竟在想什麼那就是希望降低美國的赤字讓美國的逆差可以減少讓美國可以再工業化這就是他所謂讓美國再度偉大的一個路徑對\n\n06:15.216 --> 06:40.940\n美國要偉大那台灣也不能變小啊我們希望說跟上他的步驟讓台灣實力更強大我們就能夠幫助所有世界的國家發展更高科技的經濟跟領域我們現在都跟著美國的路線走那請教我們過去的南向政策或者是西向的政策現在面對這樣的情況會不會有所調整\n\n06:41.889 --> 07:06.345\n我們過去從西進到南向我們現在到東拓甚至到北河我們希望四方面都走但是在當中我們希望跟我們民主有門國家做更多可信任可信賴的合作所以在這個所謂民主供應鏈上台灣必須也一定要扮演一個重要的角色台灣在製造業高科技的製造業上的領先地位讓我們現在更有實力讓自己強大\n\n07:07.869 --> 07:22.560\n我們為我們台灣的一些表現而驕傲但是有一點要提醒院長人是英雄錢是大很多的台商很多企業家出去事實上都是赤手空拳\n\n07:23.300 --> 07:38.572\n靠一己之力政府給的不多啊我們希望政府啊可以運用現在現有的一些資源比如說我們的外匯存底現在是非常的豐厚我們現在國家有沒有外債我們外匯存底相當高啊我們外匯存底高有沒有外債沒有啦沒有外債啦齁\n\n07:48.174 --> 08:13.426\n所以我們有5700多億美金的外匯存底那裡面有92%都是買美國公債院長不曉得有沒有統計過我們其他還有的銀行還有保險還有很多公司購買美國的外債累積加起來大概有多少\n\n08:14.093 --> 08:39.578\n央行對這個數字一直有一點調整而且央行一直保持它的靈活央行在匯率它沒有做直接的干預但是持續保持它的穩定它在對我們買取外國公債的這個過程當中也持續的審慎的評估但目前正是一個觀察期我們跟央行也談過幾次目前做什麼樣的改變或做什麼樣的調整是最好央行認為現在是一個觀察期\n\n08:40.789 --> 08:48.376\n既然是觀察期,就是剛剛提到的除了央行手上的美國公債之外,另外保險公司也很多\n\n08:49.383 --> 09:18.005\n可以統計一下保險公司銀行等於加起來的話團結這些所有美國的公債我們手上其實是有相當多的籌碼可以作為談判的一個運用所以我們在經濟發展委員會當中一項重大的決議就是造源投資台灣它的來源有一大部分希望是從保險業的資金能夠回到台灣來\n\n09:19.199 --> 09:34.467\n那個是保險法第46條我們現在就想說剛剛說希望可以帶著所有的企業走向全世界各個地方台灣需不需要來成立一個主權基金\n\n09:35.678 --> 09:59.498\n這是一個很好的建議台灣要主權基金必須我們想到它的規模有多大能夠做什麼樣的合作投資那麼有專業的人士能夠來管理在國家的法令底下而且能夠及時的去發展它的效力我覺得這個是一個相當具體的一個建議我們看到挪威有我們看到新加坡有這個主權基金在\n\n10:01.298 --> 10:24.177\n帶領企業出去的時候除了企業有自己的真本事能力之外投資就需要有金錢這時候主權基金就可以扮演一個很好的資源的角色所以我們如果來推這個整個主權基金不曉得院長有沒有想過大概這個規模要多大\n\n10:26.301 --> 10:52.375\n這個真的要思考這個可能跟現在我們國家的整體的GDP的實力相關也跟我們的外匯存底相關那我們也真的跟央行有討論過類似的案這個內容但目前我說央行還在就目前這個國際局勢當中在想出一個比較可行的方式在做建議在建議到現在還沒有出來是我們希望後指國力因為整個世界的變化\n\n10:52.984 --> 11:09.941\n非常非常快速我們只有把自己培原固本把自己的口袋以及經濟實力紮根做穩出去的話公園才會大聲所以希望院長也可以多多支持一下\n\n11:10.492 --> 11:28.764\n另外這個股市是經濟的櫥窗我們看到台股大概因為國安基金的進場那有國安基金在看大概守住大概兩萬點上下左右但是事實上對於未來的發展\n\n11:29.690 --> 11:45.658\n大家還是心裡很害怕這個牽涉到所有的外債的情況之外還有一個就是國安基金國安基金現在五千億不夠啊院長是不是應該要卓與增加\n\n11:47.482 --> 12:14.102\n國安基金因為國安基金的運作其實它有一個機制那如果要再增加的話事實上它是需要再跟許多的部會一起來做討論你們開始有沒有研究了因為面對劇烈的挑戰我們要多一點的準備來保護整個資本市場安全平穩的運作\n\n12:16.980 --> 12:44.179\n是那我們就把委員的意見我們帶回去來做研究是因為大概五千多億五千億相較以前剛開始設立的時候現在的整個市場規模已經成長到九倍以上如果九倍了那大概也應該要四五兆左右啦那也許可能現在沒有辦法達到那麼多那起碼國安基金也應該成長到兩兆左右\n\n12:45.728 --> 13:02.518\n因為大概當初設想是股市是1萬點的時候大概那個基礎再看現在股市已經2萬點了所以請卓院長這邊也可以責成相關單位大概來構思一下看看怎麼樣做與時俱進的調整\n\n13:03.991 --> 13:33.110\n在面對關稅新的政策世界貿易秩序重整之後我們現在面臨的將來就是匯率跟整個貨幣匯率的一個調整的期會來所以在這個時候讓國家有更強大的資金成本做各種必要的投資同時對於國內的股市更穩定的力道能夠下去以照過去的方式來看現在我們國安基金規模確實不足我們都有做過這樣的研判是好那就加油\n\n13:33.697 --> 13:57.518\n另外有關台灣現在一直希望把它定位發展成為亞洲的資產管理中心一直在推但是我們看到美國特別是川普政府他已經開始推動認可虛擬貨幣比特幣等等的交易模式我們看到\n\n13:58.698 --> 14:25.665\n現在十年期的美國公債它的殖利率也開始飆竄了那漸漸就變成大家對美元未來的整個世界定位有一點點的懷疑那不曉得院長知不支持像美國一樣把比特幣也納入成為台灣的一個正常的金融發展的項目之一\n\n14:26.414 --> 14:54.615\n是的我們在亞洲資產管理中心現在在金管會的籌劃底下召集了很多的金融單位也在高雄有一個實驗的場域那另外就是對於這些虛擬貨幣我們也開始要把它納管將幣商納管將來納管之後我們就更有管理的辦法跟實際上要求他們做一些合法的行為這樣會增加人民對它的信任度我想這個是世界興隆創新的一個潮流我們也必須跟得上這樣的潮流\n\n14:55.360 --> 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以色列的國防預算約合310億美元，約占其GDP的6.5%。臺灣的處境比以色列還危險，軍購遠遠買得還不夠！","第二、以色列的科技業可說是與美國「深度綁定」，對以色列來說，美國是最大的市場、投資來源、技術夥伴與戰略盟友。所以川普要臺灣半導體、AI供應鏈整個搬到美國去。","此外，臺灣政府很有錢，有大量的外匯存底（5,780億美元），而且幾乎沒有外債。本席請教院長，根據「海湖莊園協議」，美國提供軍事保護，貿易夥伴配合美元貶值，以及購買近乎免費的超長期國債來交換，我們臺灣簡直就是「完美客戶」，既依賴美國市場，又需要美國的安全保證，所以如果川普要求我們將現有的美債（約4,600億美元）全部都轉換為「百年期零息債券」，而且再加購1,000億美元，作為調降關稅的條件，請問您會答應嗎？","再者，本席發現全世界沒有幾個國家像臺灣這樣葷素不忌、什麼都可以跟美國談：","1.國防預算増至GDP3%：2025年整體國防預算6,470億元，占GDP約2.45%，川普要求拉至GDP 3%，賴總統就答應2026年加碼軍購至3%。","2.增加美債：央行總裁楊金龍贊同，考慮増加美債，作為與美國談判籌碼。","3.調降關稅：以零關稅為基礎並調整非關稅壁壘。","4.降低貿易逆差：政府單位加上國營事業未來10年應可對美採購2千億美元，後續還要整合民間可能的採購金額。","5.台積電赴美投資1,000億美元，未來還有更多？","而且上至賴總統，下至整個內閣團隊、民進黨立法院黨團都是Yes Man/沒問題先生，只要有人持不同意見就說是疑美。看看日本首相石破茂是怎麼談日美關稅談判：","1.日本人民的健康與安全，是政府必須全力守護的底線，日本不會在食品安全上妥協。","2.川普要求提升美國車在日本的銷售量，日本回應，日本對進口車的關稅是零，其他「由消費者決定」。","3.川普要求提高日本對駐日美軍的開銷負擔比例，日本強調，防衛預算「日本自己要獨立決定」。","4.美債問題與貿易屬不同領域，兩者不應該相互掛勾，美債不宜作為關稅談判的標的。","5.不需要著急，一定要花時間達成雙方都滿意的結果。","顯然，日本看穿川普的實力，現在急的是川普。","再看看臺灣。本席分享川普在他的書《交易的藝術》中提到的兩點：「Use Your Leverage」，運用你的槓桿，你就能主導談判，以及「Fight Back」，不要怕衝突，用衝突來定義自己的底線。所以接下來臺灣可以怎麼做？","1.投審會對台積電赴美投資的審核：請問院長/部長，投審會收到台積電赴美投資的申請案件了嗎（截至4/23(三)經濟部長說還沒收到）？審核期可否延長到臺美關稅談判後？投資是談判的籌碼，應該讓川普感受到如果沒對臺灣關稅優惠，未來不見得會投資美國，甚至談好的投資都不見得落實。","2.抛售美債：日本大型壽險公司富國生命保險近日宣布，計畫在本會計年度增持日本超長期國債，並考慮削減包括美債在內等外國債券部位。富國生命的第一槍，可視為是為日本央行出手投石問路，在在牽動市場敏感神經。臺灣既然是第十大美債持有者，如果釋放出拋售美債的威脅來作為籌碼，川普會怕啊。","3.保障農漁民權益，不妥協。如果院長您不敢扮黑臉，那可以請農業部長陳駿季來扮黑臉，或是經濟部長郭智輝、央行總裁楊金龍，一定要向川普表達抗拒，反撃才有尊嚴和主導權。","4.改向加拿大購買液化天然氣。中油3月就簽署了阿拉斯加天然氣投資意向書，臺灣是第一個表態支持的國家，未來預計每年採購600萬噸，而且可能參與案場其他潛在的投資，例如管線設施，此契約將使臺灣増加對美至少約23億美元的投資。阿拉斯加天然氣預計最快2032年才能開始供氣，而且成本高一倍（單位產能投資金額是卡達或墨西哥灣LNG計畫的2倍以上），其實台灣當冤大頭的風險很高，包括開發成效的不可預期，以及開發過程中美國政黨輪替，不排除民主黨喊卡的可能。但是中油持有加拿大卑詩省LNG Canada專案15%的股份，該專案預計於今年中開始全面運作，屆時將成為加拿大首個大型LNG出口設施，年產能達1,400萬公噸，所以如果川普沒有對臺灣關稅優惠，未來我們不見得要買阿拉斯加天然氣，我們可以改買加拿大的。","2.請問院長，賴總統說臺灣要「脫中入北」，有可能嗎？","賴總統喊出「脫中入北」，請問院長到底是「脫中入北」？還是「脫中入美」？以及目前行政院有什麼具體規劃讓臺灣「脫中入北/美」？再請教院長，除了臺灣，現在世界上還有哪一個國家說要「脫中」、跟中國脫鉤？沒有！","就現實面來說，2024年臺灣對中國大陸（含香港）的出口比重高達31.7%，台商對陸的投資金額高達36.5億美元，而且在中國大陸的台商有45,868家。請問院長，如果再加上在越南的台商有4,000多家、在泰國的有5,000多家，考量美國人平均年薪8萬美元，在這超過五萬家的台商當中，您認為有多少家可以成功「脫中入北/美」、不會陣亡？","臺灣現在去美國的企業約有300家，假設有500家台商可以去，或是再樂觀一點，有1,000家，那剩下49,000多家的台商該怎麼辦昵？連美國都沒辦法「脫中」，我們臺灣何德何能「脫中」？連輝達黃仁勳都說，「理論上在台灣以外的地方製造晶片，是可行的，但中國市場是無法被取代的」，而且台商大多都是中小企業，能去美國製造的，未來只會有少部分、毛利超過15~20%的產品，像伺服器，才會去美國生產，至於規模最大的消費性電子產品，像筆電、手機、網通產品，不可能在美國生產，在那裡，連作業員招不招得到，都是問題，所以院長您是要他們這些剩下的台商把吃苦當吃補，自求多福嗎？還有業者就直言，這次川普是對每一個國家都課稅，你把廠搬到其他國家都一樣、都要被課稅。","按川普經濟顧問委員會主席米蘭的「海湖莊園協議」，美國明確區分了「敵國」、「盟友國」與「貿易夥伴」，請問院長，對美國而言，臺灣是屬於哪一個？本席認為，臺灣頂多被視為「貿易夥伴」，就算被視為「準盟友國」，但因為沒有簽正式軍事條約，並不在盟友名單之列。而且日前行政院經貿談判辦公室副總談判代表顏慧欣坦言，「臺美21世紀貿易協定」自川普上台後就停滯至今。臺灣和美國既無協防條約，而且「臺美21世紀貿易協定」看來也是告吹，在這樣的情況下，「脫中入北/美」，臺灣將會以什麼身分入北/美？這會不會是一場高風險的押注，在沒有明確法律承諾、沒有盟友保障的前提下，將臺灣的資源與未來押在一場不對等關係中，最終結局會不會是我們變成附庸經濟，並且在區域內逐漸失去影響力？","院長，您民進黨政府就算再緊抱美國的大腿，但終究得面對現實，雖然「脫中入北/美」這個口號很華麗、很有創意，聽在綠營支持者耳裡很爽，但有概念的人都知道不可能辦得到，所以賴總統這是在幫大罷免騙選票嗎？本席呼籲，政府在推動經貿政策時，您不能一廂情願地想怎麼做就怎麼做，而完全不顧現實的狀況，不能只有政治考量，逆勢操作。","3.補助碧潭風景區水環境生態景觀營造工程經費2,000萬元」","新北市政府水利局於去（113）年度向經濟部水利署爭取「全國水環境改善計劃」補助經費，辦理「新店溪水漾博物館碧潭堰環區環境營造規劃設計─碧潭風景區水環境生態景觀營造」，並於同年度完成本案規劃設計，工程經費預估2,000萬元。惟後續工程經費卻因經濟部水利署尚無相關補助計劃提供申請，為德不卒，希望院長要求經濟部水利署編列相關計劃預算支應，好造福鄉親。"],["主席：接下來請吳宗憲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","黃國昌","黃珊珊","王定宇","陳素月","葛如鈞","許宇甄","吳琪銘","賴士葆","蔡其昌","鍾佳濱","沈發惠","陳菁徽","羅明才","吳宗憲","陳超明","黃建賓","張宏陸","丁學忠"],"page_start":30,"meetingDate":["2025-04-25"],"gazette_id":"1143901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143901_00002","1143901_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143901_00003"}}}