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00:02:27,701\n這是渡蘭灣渡蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山叫渡蘭山台東海岸其實就配合在山海交錯之間台東海岸線可以說是全台灣最美的海岸線那更是台灣面對太平洋的第一線那不過最近有一個風力發電的業者想要在台東\n\n7\n00:02:31,023 --> 00:02:54,831\n從長濱成功然後大武達人太馬里這個海岸線要來設置將近60座的這個大型的風力發電機那目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告那院長可以想像一下這水的海上這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型的風力發電機會是什麼樣子\n\n8\n00:02:57,318 --> 00:03:10,600\n我想除了台東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線會變成這樣學長院長講的到那個地方很美麗就像到另外一個國度一樣那\n\n9\n00:03:11,325 --> 00:03:41,091\n我們再從這個資料看到這個業者的規劃這個風機的位置他可能會影響到當地的生態甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化還有可能因為他的設計地點靠近這個學校附近那個低頻的噪音跟那個輻射波恐怕會對我們台東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響那對於整個台東海岸線的這個風電的開發案本席跟台東縣縣政府都已經明確的表態堅決不同意\n\n10\n00:03:42,298 --> 00:03:58,213\n沒有經過共識的這個封店開發案來破壞我們台東的環境那許多鄉鎮長民意代表也都紛紛的表態來反對還有鄉親他們自己發起這個藏兵反封店自救會那代表台東的民意非常的明確\n\n11\n00:04:00,046 --> 00:04:18,797\n我們不同意沒有經過共識的這個風電會毀了我們台東那本席為了阻止這件事情除了找環境部、經濟部來開會外也當面跟我們經濟部郭部長還有海委會的管組委來質詢部長跟組委也都表態也都表態說他不同意相關的開發案來破案台東的海岸線\n\n12\n00:04:19,818 --> 00:04:37,433\n那為什麼本席要不斷地在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態就是因為許多的綠能開發案的背後在缺乏溝通下你就貿然的推進除了破壞環境影響我們民眾的生活它背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益\n\n13\n00:04:38,234 --> 00:05:00,540\n那本席在這邊要強調,如果任何人想要藉由風電在台東掏金,結果是破壞台東的環境我會堅決的反對到底,台東人也不會同意在這邊我要跟院長說的是說,雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發但是目前業者他並還沒有放棄\n\n14\n00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:16,213\n那根據我們現在中央法規裡面風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部那開發許可是由經濟部核發那環境部負責我們環品的審核因此本席想要向我們請卓永台卓院長來表態\n\n15\n00:05:17,674 --> 00:05:36,003\n身為中央行政單位的最高首長那是否願意要求我們各部會若風電的開發案持續在台東的海岸線來進行我們中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責聽盡我們地方的聲音阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞台東的海岸線院長\n\n16\n00:05:39,990 --> 00:05:51,390\n經濟部先談一下現在的程序我再來做決定院長本協議是說如果有這樣子院長你可以承諾更不會要嚴格的要求來審查這件事情\n\n17\n00:05:52,180 --> 00:06:10,042\n嚴格審查是必定的我想先進一步簡單答覆現在程序怎麼進行跟委員報告那這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意然後再經過這個環評的程序那我想如果地方也不支持那環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話我想我們也都不會支持\n\n18\n00:06:10,843 --> 00:06:29,070\n謝謝市長的答覆市長其實本席跟縣長都已經公開的表示但是業者因為還在進行所以為什麼為什麼本席會再強調這件事因為去年其實就有個案例那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善的溝通下就打算在關山設置戰備跑道\n\n19\n00:06:29,850 --> 00:06:48,598\n院長肯定有這件事情嘛那這個站不下去之後破壞大規模的糧田那本席在本席持續的反應還有跟老縣長還有官山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議的時候這件事情就阻止這個政策所以本席要非常嚴肅的向中央來表達\n\n20\n00:06:49,909 --> 00:07:13,746\n那中央未來整個風電的開發或是綠能的開發的時候絕對要尊重地方的意見那要跟我們地方妥善來溝通我們絕對不能打著綠電之名卻在行破壞之時我想你知道我也要很負責任跟所有台東鄉講只要黃建民還在立法院的一天我絕對會盡全力的阻止未經共識的風電開發案我們要保護我絕對保護台東的環境\n\n21\n00:07:18,615 --> 00:07:24,479\n那接下來本席要持續針對台東的經濟民生議題來跟國民中央來反映那我請你們農業部長那我們請農業部長\n\n22\n00:07:43,296 --> 00:08:04,693\n收到我們極端氣候的影響去年大概連續幾個強台侵襲台灣根據我們農業部的統計報告去年下半年度三個強台造成全台灣的農損約是52億元其中光是康瑞台風台東縣的農損就高達7億8千萬可以說是全國最嚴重的地區我想不僅如此\n\n23\n00:08:05,333 --> 00:08:29,701\n那今年受到一些低溫連續低溫的影響很多的農作物都出現這個授粉不佳結果綠差的情況那恐怕今年的產量都會銳減那先前本席在縣政府共同的努力申請下農業部也已經公告台東改良這個改良種植芒果的這個天然災害救助辦法已經出來那本席在這邊要先給我們農業部肯定那在這邊也要繼續的跟我們農業部來反映\n\n24\n00:08:30,521 --> 00:08:36,709\n那台東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況就是結果率不佳\n\n25\n00:08:38,390 --> 00:09:00,475\n那本席也多次的跟農友去會勘那也跟我們農業部開過會我們希望盡快的能夠提供我們農友來協助那昨天我們看到農業部已經在公告屏東縣已經被合列為酪梨災害的救助地區那我想要請教我們陳部長那關於台東酪梨的災害的救助進度目前是怎麼樣那是否願意來盡速來協助我們台東縣的這些酪農\n\n26\n00:09:04,222 --> 00:09:18,361\n跟委員報告就是有關於酪梨的部分特別是包括酪梨、芒果、荔枝、龍眼還有芒果的部分大概屏東是因為花期最早所以在判定的時候通常是最早\n\n27\n00:09:18,882 --> 00:09:41,923\n那我所了解在酪梨的部分其實我們台東區農業改良廠還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次而且隨時在關心那因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響它有一些可能還要需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的所以預計大概在五月初的時候是可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間\n\n28\n00:09:42,944 --> 00:10:02,505\n是,謝謝部長明確答覆,部長其實本市昨天才剛跟,這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的齁,那個,那整個花都沒掉花啦,那都光禿禿的,這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了,教育工界時候應該都結架啦,結架,一條都沒有,所以這個情況非常嚴重齁,\n\n29\n00:10:04,178 --> 00:10:26,075\n那本席要強調其實很多人都認為台東是私家其實台東的酪梨產業是全台灣第三大的產區那我想中央這個部分絕對不能忽視也不能因為再次提醒不能因為縣市不同就給予差別我想我們在針對天然災害的一個看待的不會因為不同的縣市也不會因為不同的政黨的執政而有改變\n\n30\n00:10:27,328 --> 00:10:41,648\n謝謝部長本期就是等部長這句話我先替台東的農民謝謝部長那也希望他會盡快的趕快來協助因為他一年就這次的收成今年就看金門金門如果沒得今年都白做工要重新再一次\n\n31\n00:10:42,449 --> 00:11:06,482\n那另外針對我們中央的天然災害的救助流程本席也希望能夠不必要重數重減這是我們希望做到的事情這樣才能夠真正幫到農民我們農業部有推出這個農產業天然災害限地拍照的這個APP那其實有很多農民他年齡其實偏大他根本沒要輸用\n\n32\n00:11:07,562 --> 00:11:35,189\n其實我甚至有聽到有些鄉親為了幫助一些長輩去田裡面拍照然後在上船的過程不小心摔斷腿這真的讓我們都覺得有點心疼特別是其實農民在後都急著要復耕那許多農民朋友都有跟我們反映說其實救助金發放的時間真的太久了那另外就是每一個鄉鎮的那個查核人員的標準不太一樣也會造成許多的爭議\n\n33\n00:11:36,309 --> 00:11:56,482\n那因此為了想減少我們農民的這個不便跟危險那我想也要減輕我們基層工人員的這個工作的負擔本市在這邊提出具體的建議希望農業部在災損的認定上能夠更善用我們的科技那可以跟我們內政部這個國土測量測惠中心跨部會合作因為我們現在有那個衛星的光譜遙測\n\n34\n00:11:58,683 --> 00:12:24,340\n來協助判定說我們受災的面積大概是多少能夠加速認定還有提報救助的流程讓我們的這個受損的情況能夠真正達到重塑重寬的方式那也要減輕那至於我們後續的這個集合的制度我想也可以來跨部會來開會那最重要就是說避免農民蠟燭兩頭燒亂你一邊又要恢復農地一方面又要趕快報災情\n\n35\n00:12:28,543 --> 00:12:54,261\n那我想是不是部長以後我們是不是可以研擬用這樣的方式這樣的技術納入後續我們在勘災還有救助認定的過程能夠讓更方便我簡單的跟委員報告就是我們也了解地方在勘災的時候的一個人力的一個負擔所以我們在天然災救助的辦法裡面其實已經很明確的針對直接看天氣的參數就直接判定那是最快的\n\n36\n00:12:54,841 --> 00:13:12,177\n那這個部分我想我們會陸續根據我們的實驗單位提供的數據陸續的去公告這樣的方式那第二個部分就是您剛才所說的利用那個衛星的技術以酪梨來講他看不出來因為從上面看下去的時候酪梨的酪果有沒有\n\n37\n00:13:12,637 --> 00:13:39,942\n或是酪梨的結果是看不到的所以有一些我們用衛星的這些技術航拍的部分特別是因為農業部自己有在航遙社分所有飛機可以去做飛所以我們每一次天災的時候都用航遙社的飛機去飛了以後做證據的保全就是萬一有一些爭議的時候可以協助農民來做一些舉證的部分這個部分我想我們會來做\n\n38\n00:13:41,204 --> 00:13:55,714\n謝謝部長部長我想這個會後是不是在一週內相關的資訊能夠到本席辦公室我們共同來協助我們台東的農民台東的產業就很單純觀光跟農業這個也是相對都是比較這樣農民又是相對弱勢這點我們之後來加油感謝部長那最後我想\n\n39\n00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:14,545\n在利用最後的一個時間我把握這個時間來跟院長質詢最近台東也很關心的一個議題這跟台東的經濟息息相關那最近根據我們台鐵票價調整方案台北台東的來回滯銷號要漲超過300塊那對台東人來講\n\n40\n00:14:18,342 --> 00:14:40,642\n票價跟西部一樣可是其實交通品質是有嚴重的落差這非常不公平喔那尤其台東的東部人的路上大多大概就是靠鐵路那不像西部你還有高鐵、客運、高速公路啊那目前台東都還沒有從0403強鎮以及強台中來恢復觀光也受到很嚴重的衝擊\n\n41\n00:14:41,463 --> 00:15:02,330\n那現在中央調漲票價對東部來講是雪上加霜那本市已經多次要求中央必須研擬花東居民的這個票價優惠方案也當面質詢過我們國發委主委跟我們交通部部長希望可以透過花東基金用專款專用的方式來協助補貼我們花東居民的票價主委跟部長也都表示這是可以做的方向\n\n42\n00:15:03,010 --> 00:15:30,010\n那這兩天我看到台鐵代理董事長那有初步的回應將依據我們行政院指示規劃將涉及在花東的民眾提供比會員制更優惠的票價方案最快在6月23號跟票價調整同步上路那本席想要請教院長那這個方案什麼時候可以出入因為台鐵30年沒有調整票價我們必須支持他調整但是對於花東地區我們已經在\n\n43\n00:15:59,510 --> 00:16:01,612\n好謝謝黃建斌委員質詢謝謝卓院長農業部備詢謝謝接下來我們請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n14423\t17444\t謝謝 韓院長有請卓永泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢方委員好\n27034\t51534\t院長好 院長雖然最近因為全台大半面的行為讓我們整個台灣社會非常的動盪但本期希望我們在利用立法院總時群這麼寶貴的時間能夠跟院長您一起來針對我們台東鄉親所關心的一些議題來做討論那想辦法解決台東現在面臨的一些困境我想這才是人民想要\n52427\t66876\t看到的那因此本席先向院長您表達善意那上個會期總質詢本席跟你反映過許多台東的一些災後重建的問題那後來也爭取到了我們這個台東旅宿業的這個電價動漲\n68577\t97717\t還有我們台東農損的全品項的補助後來院長也親自到台東來勘栽我想這樣的互動是非常理想的這樣的地方的聲音能夠被中央來聽見然後共同促進我們地方的建設我想希望在今天的總質詢當中的過程裡面這樣的良性互動我們可以持續的保持下去那在今天總質詢一開始本席想要請教院長院長你有沒有去過台東的海岸線旅遊\n98749\t121105\t台東的海岸線有去過比較印象深刻的一些景點反正就是跟西部不同的非常漂亮而且一望無際的海洋很舒服這樣喔我都以為台東好像是另外一個國度一樣是非常舒服的地方院長我們很多到台東的感受都一樣那現在跟院長介紹另外一個景點來院長知道這個景點在哪裡嗎\n127521\t147701\t這是渡蘭灣 渡蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山 叫渡蘭山台東海岸其實就配合在山海交錯之間台東海岸線可以說是全台灣最美的海岸線那更是台灣面對太平洋的第一線那不過最近有一個風力發電的業者想要在台東\n151023\t174831\t從長濱成功然後大武達人太馬里這個海岸線要來設置將近60座的這個大型的風力發電機那目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告那院長可以想像一下這水的海上這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型的風力發電機會是什麼樣子\n177318\t190600\t我想除了台東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線會變成這樣學長院長講的到那個地方很美麗就像到另外一個國度一樣那\n191325\t221091\t我們再從這個資料看到這個業者的規劃這個風機的位置他可能會影響到當地的生態甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化還有可能因為他的設計地點靠近這個學校附近那個低頻的噪音跟那個輻射波恐怕會對我們台東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響那對於整個台東海岸線的這個風電的開發案本席跟台東縣縣政府都已經明確的表態堅決不同意\n222298\t238213\t沒有經過共識的這個封店開發案來破壞我們台東的環境那許多鄉鎮長民意代表也都紛紛的表態來反對還有鄉親他們自己發起這個藏兵反封店自救會那代表台東的民意非常的明確\n240046\t258797\t我們不同意沒有經過共識的這個風電會毀了我們台東那本席為了阻止這件事情除了找環境部、經濟部來開會外也當面跟我們經濟部郭部長還有海委會的管組委來質詢部長跟組委也都表態也都表態說他不同意相關的開發案來破案台東的海岸線\n259818\t277433\t那為什麼本席要不斷地在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態就是因為許多的綠能開發案的背後在缺乏溝通下你就貿然的推進除了破壞環境影響我們民眾的生活它背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益\n278234\t300540\t那本席在這邊要強調,如果任何人想要藉由風電在台東掏金,結果是破壞台東的環境我會堅決的反對到底,台東人也不會同意在這邊我要跟院長說的是說,雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發但是目前業者他並還沒有放棄\n301380\t316213\t那根據我們現在中央法規裡面風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部那開發許可是由經濟部核發那環境部負責我們環品的審核因此本席想要向我們請卓永台卓院長來表態\n317674\t336003\t身為中央行政單位的最高首長那是否願意要求我們各部會若風電的開發案持續在台東的海岸線來進行我們中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責聽盡我們地方的聲音阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞台東的海岸線院長\n339990\t351390\t經濟部先談一下現在的程序我再來做決定院長本協議是說如果有這樣子院長你可以承諾更不會要嚴格的要求來審查這件事情\n352180\t370042\t嚴格審查是必定的我想先進一步簡單答覆現在程序怎麼進行跟委員報告那這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意然後再經過這個環評的程序那我想如果地方也不支持那環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話我想我們也都不會支持\n370843\t389070\t謝謝市長的答覆市長其實本席跟縣長都已經公開的表示但是業者因為還在進行所以為什麼為什麼本席會再強調這件事因為去年其實就有個案例那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善的溝通下就打算在關山設置戰備跑道\n389850\t408598\t院長肯定有這件事情嘛那這個站不下去之後破壞大規模的糧田那本席在本席持續的反應還有跟老縣長還有官山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議的時候這件事情就阻止這個政策所以本席要非常嚴肅的向中央來表達\n409909\t433746\t那中央未來整個風電的開發或是綠能的開發的時候絕對要尊重地方的意見那要跟我們地方妥善來溝通我們絕對不能打著綠電之名卻在行破壞之時我想你知道我也要很負責任跟所有台東鄉講只要黃建民還在立法院的一天我絕對會盡全力的阻止未經共識的風電開發案我們要保護 我絕對保護台東的環境\n438615\t444479\t那接下來本席要持續針對台東的經濟民生議題來跟國民中央來反映那我請你們農業部長那我們請農業部長\n463296\t484693\t收到我們極端氣候的影響去年大概連續幾個強台侵襲台灣根據我們農業部的統計報告去年下半年度三個強台造成全台灣的農損約是52億元其中光是康瑞台風台東縣的農損就高達7億8千萬可以說是全國最嚴重的地區我想不僅如此\n485333\t509701\t那今年受到一些低溫連續低溫的影響很多的農作物都出現這個授粉不佳結果綠差的情況那恐怕今年的產量都會銳減那先前本席在縣政府共同的努力申請下農業部也已經公告台東改良這個改良種植芒果的這個天然災害救助辦法已經出來那本席在這邊要先給我們農業部肯定那在這邊也要繼續的跟我們農業部來反映\n510521\t516709\t那台東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況就是結果率不佳\n518390\t540475\t那本席也多次的跟農友去會勘那也跟我們農業部開過會我們希望盡快的能夠提供我們農友來協助那昨天我們看到農業部已經在公告屏東縣已經被合列為酪梨災害的救助地區那我想要請教我們陳部長那關於台東酪梨的災害的救助進度目前是怎麼樣那是否願意來盡速來協助我們台東縣的這些酪農\n544222\t558361\t跟委員報告就是有關於酪梨的部分特別是包括酪梨、芒果、荔枝、龍眼還有芒果的部分大概屏東是因為花期最早所以在判定的時候通常是最早\n558882\t581923\t那我所了解在酪梨的部分其實我們台東區農業改良廠還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次而且隨時在關心那因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響它有一些可能還要需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的所以預計大概在五月初的時候是可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間\n582944\t602505\t是,謝謝部長明確答覆,部長其實本市昨天才剛跟,這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的齁,那個,那整個花都沒掉花啦,那都光禿禿的,這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了,教育工界時候應該都結架啦,結架,一條都沒有,所以這個情況非常嚴重齁,\n604178\t626075\t那本席要強調其實很多人都認為台東是私家其實台東的酪梨產業是全台灣第三大的產區那我想中央這個部分絕對不能忽視也不能因為再次提醒不能因為縣市不同就給予差別我想我們在針對天然災害的一個看待的不會因為不同的縣市也不會因為不同的政黨的執政而有改變\n627328\t641648\t謝謝部長 本期就是等部長這句話我先替台東的農民謝謝部長那也希望他會盡快的趕快來協助因為他一年就這次的收成今年就看金門 金門如果沒得 今年都白做工要重新再一次\n642449\t666482\t那另外針對我們中央的天然災害的救助流程本席也希望能夠不必要重數重減這是我們希望做到的事情這樣才能夠真正幫到農民我們農業部有推出這個農產業天然災害限地拍照的這個APP那其實有很多農民他年齡其實偏大他根本沒要輸用\n667562\t695189\t其實我甚至有聽到有些鄉親為了幫助一些長輩去田裡面拍照然後在上船的過程不小心摔斷腿這真的讓我們都覺得有點心疼特別是其實農民在後都急著要復耕那許多農民朋友都有跟我們反映說其實救助金發放的時間真的太久了那另外就是每一個鄉鎮的那個查核人員的標準不太一樣也會造成許多的爭議\n696309\t716482\t那因此為了想減少我們農民的這個不便跟危險那我想也要減輕我們基層工人員的這個工作的負擔本市在這邊提出具體的建議希望農業部在災損的認定上能夠更善用我們的科技那可以跟我們內政部這個國土測量測惠中心跨部會合作因為我們現在有那個衛星的光譜遙測\n718683\t744340\t來協助判定說我們受災的面積大概是多少能夠加速認定還有提報救助的流程讓我們的這個受損的情況能夠真正達到重塑重寬的方式那也要減輕那至於我們後續的這個集合的制度我想也可以來跨部會來開會那最重要就是說避免農民蠟燭兩頭燒亂你一邊又要恢復農地一方面又要趕快報災情\n748543\t774261\t那我想是不是部長以後我們是不是可以研擬用這樣的方式這樣的技術納入後續我們在勘災還有救助認定的過程能夠讓更方便我簡單的跟委員報告就是我們也了解地方在勘災的時候的一個人力的一個負擔所以我們在天然災救助的辦法裡面其實已經很明確的針對直接看天氣的參數就直接判定那是最快的\n774841\t792177\t那這個部分我想我們會陸續根據我們的實驗單位提供的數據陸續的去公告這樣的方式那第二個部分就是您剛才所說的利用那個衛星的技術以酪梨來講他看不出來因為從上面看下去的時候酪梨的酪果有沒有\n792637\t819942\t或是酪梨的結果是看不到的所以有一些我們用衛星的這些技術航拍的部分特別是因為農業部自己有在航遙社分所有飛機可以去做飛所以我們每一次天災的時候都用航遙社的飛機去飛了以後做證據的保全就是萬一有一些爭議的時候可以協助農民來做一些舉證的部分這個部分我想我們會來做\n821204\t835714\t謝謝部長部長我想這個會後是不是在一週內相關的資訊能夠到本席辦公室我們共同來協助我們台東的農民台東的產業就很單純觀光跟農業這個也是相對都是比較這樣農民又是相對弱勢這點我們之後來加油感謝部長那最後我想\n841380\t854545\t在利用最後的一個時間我把握這個時間來跟院長質詢最近台東也很關心的一個議題這跟台東的經濟息息相關那最近根據我們台鐵票價調整方案台北台東的來回滯銷號要漲超過300塊那對台東人來講\n858342\t880642\t票價跟西部一樣可是其實交通品質是有嚴重的落差這非常不公平喔那尤其台東的東部人的路上大多大概就是靠鐵路那不像西部你還有高鐵、客運、高速公路啊那目前台東都還沒有從0403強鎮以及強台中來恢復觀光也受到很嚴重的衝擊\n881463\t902330\t那現在中央調漲票價對東部來講是雪上加霜那本市已經多次要求中央必須研擬花東居民的這個票價優惠方案也當面質詢過我們國發委主委跟我們交通部部長希望可以透過花東基金用專款專用的方式來協助補貼我們花東居民的票價主委跟部長也都表示這是可以做的方向\n903010\t930010\t那這兩天我看到台鐵代理董事長那有初步的回應將依據我們行政院指示規劃將涉及在花東的民眾提供比會員制更優惠的票價方案最快在6月23號跟票價調整同步上路那本席想要請教院長那這個方案什麼時候可以出入因為台鐵30年沒有調整票價我們必須支持他調整但是對於花東地區我們已經在\n959510\t961612\t好 謝謝黃建斌委員質詢 謝謝卓院長農業部備詢 謝謝接下來我們請\n","txt":"謝謝 韓院長有請卓永泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢方委員好\n院長好 院長雖然最近因為全台大半面的行為讓我們整個台灣社會非常的動盪但本期希望我們在利用立法院總時群這麼寶貴的時間能夠跟院長您一起來針對我們台東鄉親所關心的一些議題來做討論那想辦法解決台東現在面臨的一些困境我想這才是人民想要\n看到的那因此本席先向院長您表達善意那上個會期總質詢本席跟你反映過許多台東的一些災後重建的問題那後來也爭取到了我們這個台東旅宿業的這個電價動漲\n還有我們台東農損的全品項的補助後來院長也親自到台東來勘栽我想這樣的互動是非常理想的這樣的地方的聲音能夠被中央來聽見然後共同促進我們地方的建設我想希望在今天的總質詢當中的過程裡面這樣的良性互動我們可以持續的保持下去那在今天總質詢一開始本席想要請教院長院長你有沒有去過台東的海岸線旅遊\n台東的海岸線有去過比較印象深刻的一些景點反正就是跟西部不同的非常漂亮而且一望無際的海洋很舒服這樣喔我都以為台東好像是另外一個國度一樣是非常舒服的地方院長我們很多到台東的感受都一樣那現在跟院長介紹另外一個景點來院長知道這個景點在哪裡嗎\n這是渡蘭灣 渡蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山 叫渡蘭山台東海岸其實就配合在山海交錯之間台東海岸線可以說是全台灣最美的海岸線那更是台灣面對太平洋的第一線那不過最近有一個風力發電的業者想要在台東\n從長濱成功然後大武達人太馬里這個海岸線要來設置將近60座的這個大型的風力發電機那目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告那院長可以想像一下這水的海上這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型的風力發電機會是什麼樣子\n我想除了台東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線會變成這樣學長院長講的到那個地方很美麗就像到另外一個國度一樣那\n我們再從這個資料看到這個業者的規劃這個風機的位置他可能會影響到當地的生態甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化還有可能因為他的設計地點靠近這個學校附近那個低頻的噪音跟那個輻射波恐怕會對我們台東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響那對於整個台東海岸線的這個風電的開發案本席跟台東縣縣政府都已經明確的表態堅決不同意\n沒有經過共識的這個封店開發案來破壞我們台東的環境那許多鄉鎮長民意代表也都紛紛的表態來反對還有鄉親他們自己發起這個藏兵反封店自救會那代表台東的民意非常的明確\n我們不同意沒有經過共識的這個風電會毀了我們台東那本席為了阻止這件事情除了找環境部、經濟部來開會外也當面跟我們經濟部郭部長還有海委會的管組委來質詢部長跟組委也都表態也都表態說他不同意相關的開發案來破案台東的海岸線\n那為什麼本席要不斷地在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態就是因為許多的綠能開發案的背後在缺乏溝通下你就貿然的推進除了破壞環境影響我們民眾的生活它背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益\n那本席在這邊要強調,如果任何人想要藉由風電在台東掏金,結果是破壞台東的環境我會堅決的反對到底,台東人也不會同意在這邊我要跟院長說的是說,雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發但是目前業者他並還沒有放棄\n那根據我們現在中央法規裡面風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部那開發許可是由經濟部核發那環境部負責我們環品的審核因此本席想要向我們請卓永台卓院長來表態\n身為中央行政單位的最高首長那是否願意要求我們各部會若風電的開發案持續在台東的海岸線來進行我們中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責聽盡我們地方的聲音阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞台東的海岸線院長\n經濟部先談一下現在的程序我再來做決定院長本協議是說如果有這樣子院長你可以承諾更不會要嚴格的要求來審查這件事情\n嚴格審查是必定的我想先進一步簡單答覆現在程序怎麼進行跟委員報告那這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意然後再經過這個環評的程序那我想如果地方也不支持那環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話我想我們也都不會支持\n謝謝市長的答覆市長其實本席跟縣長都已經公開的表示但是業者因為還在進行所以為什麼為什麼本席會再強調這件事因為去年其實就有個案例那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善的溝通下就打算在關山設置戰備跑道\n院長肯定有這件事情嘛那這個站不下去之後破壞大規模的糧田那本席在本席持續的反應還有跟老縣長還有官山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議的時候這件事情就阻止這個政策所以本席要非常嚴肅的向中央來表達\n那中央未來整個風電的開發或是綠能的開發的時候絕對要尊重地方的意見那要跟我們地方妥善來溝通我們絕對不能打著綠電之名卻在行破壞之時我想你知道我也要很負責任跟所有台東鄉講只要黃建民還在立法院的一天我絕對會盡全力的阻止未經共識的風電開發案我們要保護 我絕對保護台東的環境\n那接下來本席要持續針對台東的經濟民生議題來跟國民中央來反映那我請你們農業部長那我們請農業部長\n收到我們極端氣候的影響去年大概連續幾個強台侵襲台灣根據我們農業部的統計報告去年下半年度三個強台造成全台灣的農損約是52億元其中光是康瑞台風台東縣的農損就高達7億8千萬可以說是全國最嚴重的地區我想不僅如此\n那今年受到一些低溫連續低溫的影響很多的農作物都出現這個授粉不佳結果綠差的情況那恐怕今年的產量都會銳減那先前本席在縣政府共同的努力申請下農業部也已經公告台東改良這個改良種植芒果的這個天然災害救助辦法已經出來那本席在這邊要先給我們農業部肯定那在這邊也要繼續的跟我們農業部來反映\n那台東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況就是結果率不佳\n那本席也多次的跟農友去會勘那也跟我們農業部開過會我們希望盡快的能夠提供我們農友來協助那昨天我們看到農業部已經在公告屏東縣已經被合列為酪梨災害的救助地區那我想要請教我們陳部長那關於台東酪梨的災害的救助進度目前是怎麼樣那是否願意來盡速來協助我們台東縣的這些酪農\n跟委員報告就是有關於酪梨的部分特別是包括酪梨、芒果、荔枝、龍眼還有芒果的部分大概屏東是因為花期最早所以在判定的時候通常是最早\n那我所了解在酪梨的部分其實我們台東區農業改良廠還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次而且隨時在關心那因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響它有一些可能還要需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的所以預計大概在五月初的時候是可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間\n是,謝謝部長明確答覆,部長其實本市昨天才剛跟,這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的齁,那個,那整個花都沒掉花啦,那都光禿禿的,這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了,教育工界時候應該都結架啦,結架,一條都沒有,所以這個情況非常嚴重齁,\n那本席要強調其實很多人都認為台東是私家其實台東的酪梨產業是全台灣第三大的產區那我想中央這個部分絕對不能忽視也不能因為再次提醒不能因為縣市不同就給予差別我想我們在針對天然災害的一個看待的不會因為不同的縣市也不會因為不同的政黨的執政而有改變\n謝謝部長 本期就是等部長這句話我先替台東的農民謝謝部長那也希望他會盡快的趕快來協助因為他一年就這次的收成今年就看金門 金門如果沒得 今年都白做工要重新再一次\n那另外針對我們中央的天然災害的救助流程本席也希望能夠不必要重數重減這是我們希望做到的事情這樣才能夠真正幫到農民我們農業部有推出這個農產業天然災害限地拍照的這個APP那其實有很多農民他年齡其實偏大他根本沒要輸用\n其實我甚至有聽到有些鄉親為了幫助一些長輩去田裡面拍照然後在上船的過程不小心摔斷腿這真的讓我們都覺得有點心疼特別是其實農民在後都急著要復耕那許多農民朋友都有跟我們反映說其實救助金發放的時間真的太久了那另外就是每一個鄉鎮的那個查核人員的標準不太一樣也會造成許多的爭議\n那因此為了想減少我們農民的這個不便跟危險那我想也要減輕我們基層工人員的這個工作的負擔本市在這邊提出具體的建議希望農業部在災損的認定上能夠更善用我們的科技那可以跟我們內政部這個國土測量測惠中心跨部會合作因為我們現在有那個衛星的光譜遙測\n來協助判定說我們受災的面積大概是多少能夠加速認定還有提報救助的流程讓我們的這個受損的情況能夠真正達到重塑重寬的方式那也要減輕那至於我們後續的這個集合的制度我想也可以來跨部會來開會那最重要就是說避免農民蠟燭兩頭燒亂你一邊又要恢復農地一方面又要趕快報災情\n那我想是不是部長以後我們是不是可以研擬用這樣的方式這樣的技術納入後續我們在勘災還有救助認定的過程能夠讓更方便我簡單的跟委員報告就是我們也了解地方在勘災的時候的一個人力的一個負擔所以我們在天然災救助的辦法裡面其實已經很明確的針對直接看天氣的參數就直接判定那是最快的\n那這個部分我想我們會陸續根據我們的實驗單位提供的數據陸續的去公告這樣的方式那第二個部分就是您剛才所說的利用那個衛星的技術以酪梨來講他看不出來因為從上面看下去的時候酪梨的酪果有沒有\n或是酪梨的結果是看不到的所以有一些我們用衛星的這些技術航拍的部分特別是因為農業部自己有在航遙社分所有飛機可以去做飛所以我們每一次天災的時候都用航遙社的飛機去飛了以後做證據的保全就是萬一有一些爭議的時候可以協助農民來做一些舉證的部分這個部分我想我們會來做\n謝謝部長部長我想這個會後是不是在一週內相關的資訊能夠到本席辦公室我們共同來協助我們台東的農民台東的產業就很單純觀光跟農業這個也是相對都是比較這樣農民又是相對弱勢這點我們之後來加油感謝部長那最後我想\n在利用最後的一個時間我把握這個時間來跟院長質詢最近台東也很關心的一個議題這跟台東的經濟息息相關那最近根據我們台鐵票價調整方案台北台東的來回滯銷號要漲超過300塊那對台東人來講\n票價跟西部一樣可是其實交通品質是有嚴重的落差這非常不公平喔那尤其台東的東部人的路上大多大概就是靠鐵路那不像西部你還有高鐵、客運、高速公路啊那目前台東都還沒有從0403強鎮以及強台中來恢復觀光也受到很嚴重的衝擊\n那現在中央調漲票價對東部來講是雪上加霜那本市已經多次要求中央必須研擬花東居民的這個票價優惠方案也當面質詢過我們國發委主委跟我們交通部部長希望可以透過花東基金用專款專用的方式來協助補貼我們花東居民的票價主委跟部長也都表示這是可以做的方向\n那這兩天我看到台鐵代理董事長那有初步的回應將依據我們行政院指示規劃將涉及在花東的民眾提供比會員制更優惠的票價方案最快在6月23號跟票價調整同步上路那本席想要請教院長那這個方案什麼時候可以出入因為台鐵30年沒有調整票價我們必須支持他調整但是對於花東地區我們已經在\n好 謝謝黃建斌委員質詢 謝謝卓院長農業部備詢 謝謝接下來我們請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:14.423 --> 00:17.444\n謝謝韓院長有請卓永泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢方委員好\n\n00:27.034 --> 00:51.534\n院長好院長雖然最近因為全台大半面的行為讓我們整個台灣社會非常的動盪但本期希望我們在利用立法院總時群這麼寶貴的時間能夠跟院長您一起來針對我們台東鄉親所關心的一些議題來做討論那想辦法解決台東現在面臨的一些困境我想這才是人民想要\n\n00:52.427 --> 01:06.876\n看到的那因此本席先向院長您表達善意那上個會期總質詢本席跟你反映過許多台東的一些災後重建的問題那後來也爭取到了我們這個台東旅宿業的這個電價動漲\n\n01:08.577 --> 01:37.717\n還有我們台東農損的全品項的補助後來院長也親自到台東來勘栽我想這樣的互動是非常理想的這樣的地方的聲音能夠被中央來聽見然後共同促進我們地方的建設我想希望在今天的總質詢當中的過程裡面這樣的良性互動我們可以持續的保持下去那在今天總質詢一開始本席想要請教院長院長你有沒有去過台東的海岸線旅遊\n\n01:38.749 --> 02:01.105\n台東的海岸線有去過比較印象深刻的一些景點反正就是跟西部不同的非常漂亮而且一望無際的海洋很舒服這樣喔我都以為台東好像是另外一個國度一樣是非常舒服的地方院長我們很多到台東的感受都一樣那現在跟院長介紹另外一個景點來院長知道這個景點在哪裡嗎\n\n02:07.521 --> 02:27.701\n這是渡蘭灣渡蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山叫渡蘭山台東海岸其實就配合在山海交錯之間台東海岸線可以說是全台灣最美的海岸線那更是台灣面對太平洋的第一線那不過最近有一個風力發電的業者想要在台東\n\n02:31.023 --> 02:54.831\n從長濱成功然後大武達人太馬里這個海岸線要來設置將近60座的這個大型的風力發電機那目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告那院長可以想像一下這水的海上這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型的風力發電機會是什麼樣子\n\n02:57.318 --> 03:10.600\n我想除了台東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線會變成這樣學長院長講的到那個地方很美麗就像到另外一個國度一樣那\n\n03:11.325 --> 03:41.091\n我們再從這個資料看到這個業者的規劃這個風機的位置他可能會影響到當地的生態甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化還有可能因為他的設計地點靠近這個學校附近那個低頻的噪音跟那個輻射波恐怕會對我們台東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響那對於整個台東海岸線的這個風電的開發案本席跟台東縣縣政府都已經明確的表態堅決不同意\n\n03:42.298 --> 03:58.213\n沒有經過共識的這個封店開發案來破壞我們台東的環境那許多鄉鎮長民意代表也都紛紛的表態來反對還有鄉親他們自己發起這個藏兵反封店自救會那代表台東的民意非常的明確\n\n04:00.046 --> 04:18.797\n我們不同意沒有經過共識的這個風電會毀了我們台東那本席為了阻止這件事情除了找環境部、經濟部來開會外也當面跟我們經濟部郭部長還有海委會的管組委來質詢部長跟組委也都表態也都表態說他不同意相關的開發案來破案台東的海岸線\n\n04:19.818 --> 04:37.433\n那為什麼本席要不斷地在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態就是因為許多的綠能開發案的背後在缺乏溝通下你就貿然的推進除了破壞環境影響我們民眾的生活它背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益\n\n04:38.234 --> 05:00.540\n那本席在這邊要強調,如果任何人想要藉由風電在台東掏金,結果是破壞台東的環境我會堅決的反對到底,台東人也不會同意在這邊我要跟院長說的是說,雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發但是目前業者他並還沒有放棄\n\n05:01.380 --> 05:16.213\n那根據我們現在中央法規裡面風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部那開發許可是由經濟部核發那環境部負責我們環品的審核因此本席想要向我們請卓永台卓院長來表態\n\n05:17.674 --> 05:36.003\n身為中央行政單位的最高首長那是否願意要求我們各部會若風電的開發案持續在台東的海岸線來進行我們中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責聽盡我們地方的聲音阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞台東的海岸線院長\n\n05:39.990 --> 05:51.390\n經濟部先談一下現在的程序我再來做決定院長本協議是說如果有這樣子院長你可以承諾更不會要嚴格的要求來審查這件事情\n\n05:52.180 --> 06:10.042\n嚴格審查是必定的我想先進一步簡單答覆現在程序怎麼進行跟委員報告那這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意然後再經過這個環評的程序那我想如果地方也不支持那環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話我想我們也都不會支持\n\n06:10.843 --> 06:29.070\n謝謝市長的答覆市長其實本席跟縣長都已經公開的表示但是業者因為還在進行所以為什麼為什麼本席會再強調這件事因為去年其實就有個案例那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善的溝通下就打算在關山設置戰備跑道\n\n06:29.850 --> 06:48.598\n院長肯定有這件事情嘛那這個站不下去之後破壞大規模的糧田那本席在本席持續的反應還有跟老縣長還有官山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議的時候這件事情就阻止這個政策所以本席要非常嚴肅的向中央來表達\n\n06:49.909 --> 07:13.746\n那中央未來整個風電的開發或是綠能的開發的時候絕對要尊重地方的意見那要跟我們地方妥善來溝通我們絕對不能打著綠電之名卻在行破壞之時我想你知道我也要很負責任跟所有台東鄉講只要黃建民還在立法院的一天我絕對會盡全力的阻止未經共識的風電開發案我們要保護我絕對保護台東的環境\n\n07:18.615 --> 07:24.479\n那接下來本席要持續針對台東的經濟民生議題來跟國民中央來反映那我請你們農業部長那我們請農業部長\n\n07:43.296 --> 08:04.693\n收到我們極端氣候的影響去年大概連續幾個強台侵襲台灣根據我們農業部的統計報告去年下半年度三個強台造成全台灣的農損約是52億元其中光是康瑞台風台東縣的農損就高達7億8千萬可以說是全國最嚴重的地區我想不僅如此\n\n08:05.333 --> 08:29.701\n那今年受到一些低溫連續低溫的影響很多的農作物都出現這個授粉不佳結果綠差的情況那恐怕今年的產量都會銳減那先前本席在縣政府共同的努力申請下農業部也已經公告台東改良這個改良種植芒果的這個天然災害救助辦法已經出來那本席在這邊要先給我們農業部肯定那在這邊也要繼續的跟我們農業部來反映\n\n08:30.521 --> 08:36.709\n那台東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況就是結果率不佳\n\n08:38.390 --> 09:00.475\n那本席也多次的跟農友去會勘那也跟我們農業部開過會我們希望盡快的能夠提供我們農友來協助那昨天我們看到農業部已經在公告屏東縣已經被合列為酪梨災害的救助地區那我想要請教我們陳部長那關於台東酪梨的災害的救助進度目前是怎麼樣那是否願意來盡速來協助我們台東縣的這些酪農\n\n09:04.222 --> 09:18.361\n跟委員報告就是有關於酪梨的部分特別是包括酪梨、芒果、荔枝、龍眼還有芒果的部分大概屏東是因為花期最早所以在判定的時候通常是最早\n\n09:18.882 --> 09:41.923\n那我所了解在酪梨的部分其實我們台東區農業改良廠還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次而且隨時在關心那因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響它有一些可能還要需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的所以預計大概在五月初的時候是可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間\n\n09:42.944 --> 10:02.505\n是,謝謝部長明確答覆,部長其實本市昨天才剛跟,這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的齁,那個,那整個花都沒掉花啦,那都光禿禿的,這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了,教育工界時候應該都結架啦,結架,一條都沒有,所以這個情況非常嚴重齁,\n\n10:04.178 --> 10:26.075\n那本席要強調其實很多人都認為台東是私家其實台東的酪梨產業是全台灣第三大的產區那我想中央這個部分絕對不能忽視也不能因為再次提醒不能因為縣市不同就給予差別我想我們在針對天然災害的一個看待的不會因為不同的縣市也不會因為不同的政黨的執政而有改變\n\n10:27.328 --> 10:41.648\n謝謝部長本期就是等部長這句話我先替台東的農民謝謝部長那也希望他會盡快的趕快來協助因為他一年就這次的收成今年就看金門金門如果沒得今年都白做工要重新再一次\n\n10:42.449 --> 11:06.482\n那另外針對我們中央的天然災害的救助流程本席也希望能夠不必要重數重減這是我們希望做到的事情這樣才能夠真正幫到農民我們農業部有推出這個農產業天然災害限地拍照的這個APP那其實有很多農民他年齡其實偏大他根本沒要輸用\n\n11:07.562 --> 11:35.189\n其實我甚至有聽到有些鄉親為了幫助一些長輩去田裡面拍照然後在上船的過程不小心摔斷腿這真的讓我們都覺得有點心疼特別是其實農民在後都急著要復耕那許多農民朋友都有跟我們反映說其實救助金發放的時間真的太久了那另外就是每一個鄉鎮的那個查核人員的標準不太一樣也會造成許多的爭議\n\n11:36.309 --> 11:56.482\n那因此為了想減少我們農民的這個不便跟危險那我想也要減輕我們基層工人員的這個工作的負擔本市在這邊提出具體的建議希望農業部在災損的認定上能夠更善用我們的科技那可以跟我們內政部這個國土測量測惠中心跨部會合作因為我們現在有那個衛星的光譜遙測\n\n11:58.683 --> 12:24.340\n來協助判定說我們受災的面積大概是多少能夠加速認定還有提報救助的流程讓我們的這個受損的情況能夠真正達到重塑重寬的方式那也要減輕那至於我們後續的這個集合的制度我想也可以來跨部會來開會那最重要就是說避免農民蠟燭兩頭燒亂你一邊又要恢復農地一方面又要趕快報災情\n\n12:28.543 --> 12:54.261\n那我想是不是部長以後我們是不是可以研擬用這樣的方式這樣的技術納入後續我們在勘災還有救助認定的過程能夠讓更方便我簡單的跟委員報告就是我們也了解地方在勘災的時候的一個人力的一個負擔所以我們在天然災救助的辦法裡面其實已經很明確的針對直接看天氣的參數就直接判定那是最快的\n\n12:54.841 --> 13:12.177\n那這個部分我想我們會陸續根據我們的實驗單位提供的數據陸續的去公告這樣的方式那第二個部分就是您剛才所說的利用那個衛星的技術以酪梨來講他看不出來因為從上面看下去的時候酪梨的酪果有沒有\n\n13:12.637 --> 13:39.942\n或是酪梨的結果是看不到的所以有一些我們用衛星的這些技術航拍的部分特別是因為農業部自己有在航遙社分所有飛機可以去做飛所以我們每一次天災的時候都用航遙社的飛機去飛了以後做證據的保全就是萬一有一些爭議的時候可以協助農民來做一些舉證的部分這個部分我想我們會來做\n\n13:41.204 --> 13:55.714\n謝謝部長部長我想這個會後是不是在一週內相關的資訊能夠到本席辦公室我們共同來協助我們台東的農民台東的產業就很單純觀光跟農業這個也是相對都是比較這樣農民又是相對弱勢這點我們之後來加油感謝部長那最後我想\n\n14:01.380 --> 14:14.545\n在利用最後的一個時間我把握這個時間來跟院長質詢最近台東也很關心的一個議題這跟台東的經濟息息相關那最近根據我們台鐵票價調整方案台北台東的來回滯銷號要漲超過300塊那對台東人來講\n\n14:18.342 --> 14:40.642\n票價跟西部一樣可是其實交通品質是有嚴重的落差這非常不公平喔那尤其台東的東部人的路上大多大概就是靠鐵路那不像西部你還有高鐵、客運、高速公路啊那目前台東都還沒有從0403強鎮以及強台中來恢復觀光也受到很嚴重的衝擊\n\n14:41.463 --> 15:02.330\n那現在中央調漲票價對東部來講是雪上加霜那本市已經多次要求中央必須研擬花東居民的這個票價優惠方案也當面質詢過我們國發委主委跟我們交通部部長希望可以透過花東基金用專款專用的方式來協助補貼我們花東居民的票價主委跟部長也都表示這是可以做的方向\n\n15:03.010 --> 15:30.010\n那這兩天我看到台鐵代理董事長那有初步的回應將依據我們行政院指示規劃將涉及在花東的民眾提供比會員制更優惠的票價方案最快在6月23號跟票價調整同步上路那本席想要請教院長那這個方案什麼時候可以出入因為台鐵30年沒有調整票價我們必須支持他調整但是對於花東地區我們已經在\n\n15:59.510 --> 16:01.612\n好謝謝黃建斌委員質詢謝謝卓院長農業部備詢謝謝接下來我們請\n\n","segments":[{"start":14.423,"end":17.444,"text":"謝謝 韓院長有請卓永泰卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢方委員好"},{"start":27.034,"end":51.534,"text":"院長好 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謝謝黃建斌委員質詢 謝謝卓院長農業部備詢 謝謝接下來我們請"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":479,"blocks":[["黃委員建賓：（16時5分）謝謝韓院長，有請卓榮泰卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：黃委員好。"],["黃委員建賓：院長好。院長，雖然最近因為全臺大罷免的行為讓我們整個臺灣社會非常動盪，但本席希望我們利用立法院總質詢這麼寶貴的時間，能夠跟院長一起針對我們臺東鄉親所關心的一些議題來做討論，想辦法解決臺東現在面臨的一些困境，我想這才是人民想要看到的。","因此本席先向院長您表達善意，上個會期總質詢本席跟你反映過許多臺東災後重建的問題，後來也爭取到了臺東旅宿業的電價凍漲，還有臺東農損全品項的補助，之後院長也親自到臺東來勘災，我想這樣的互動是非常理想，這樣讓地方的聲音能夠被中央聽見，然後共同促進我們地方的建設，我希望在今天的總質詢過程當中，這樣的良性互動，我們可以持續保持下去。","在今天總質詢一開始，本席想要請教院長，你有沒有去過臺東的海岸線旅遊？"],["卓院長榮泰：有去過。"],["黃委員建賓：有沒有一些比較印象深刻的景點？"],["卓院長榮泰：反正就是跟西部不同的，非常漂亮，而且一望無際的海洋。"],["黃委員建賓：很舒服？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，我都以為臺東好像是另外一個國度一樣，是非常舒服的地方。"],["黃委員建賓：院長，很多人到臺東的感受都一樣。現在跟院長介紹另外一個景點，院長知道這個景點在哪裡嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：請委員說。"],["黃委員建賓：院長，這是都蘭灣，都蘭灣後面那座山就是我們原住民族群的聖山，叫都蘭山。其實臺東海岸最漂亮的就是在山海交錯之間，臺東海岸線可以說是全臺灣最美的海岸線，更是臺灣面對太平洋的第一線，不過最近有一個風力發電業者想要在臺東──從長濱、成功到大武、達仁、太麻里的這個海岸線設置將近60座大型風力發電機，目前這一項陸域風電計畫已經在環境部的網上公告，院長可以想像一下，這麼漂亮的海岸線如果插滿了大型風力發電機會是什麼樣子？我想除了臺東鄉親沒有辦法接受家園被破壞以外，相信國內外的旅客也不希望看到東部海岸線變成這樣，就像院長講的，那個地方很美麗，就像到另外一個國度一樣。","我們再從資料看到，這個業者規劃的風機位置可能會影響到當地的生態，甚至我們原住民部落的一些文化，也可能因為它的設計地點靠近學校附近，低頻噪音跟輻射波恐怕會對我們臺東的這些孩子還有當地居民造成影響。對於整個臺東海岸線的風電開發案，本席跟臺東縣政府都已經明確的表態，堅決不同意沒有經過共識的風電開發案來破壞我們臺東的環境，許多的鄉鎮長、民意代表也都紛紛的表態反對，還有鄉親自己發起長濱反風電自救會，代表臺東的民意非常明確，就是我們不同意沒有經過共識的風電毀了我們臺東！","而本席為了阻止這件事情，除了找環境部、經濟部來開會以外，也當面跟經濟部郭部長還有海委會管主委質詢，部長跟主委也都表態，他們不同意相關的開發案來破壞臺東的海岸線。為什麼本席要不斷在立法院要求中央部會首長來公開表態？是因為許多綠能開發案在缺乏溝通下就貿然推進，除了破壞環境、影響民眾的生活外，其背後可能還會牽扯更龐大的一些利益。本席在這邊要強調，如果任何人想要藉由風電在臺東淘金，結果是破壞臺東的環境，我會堅決反對到底，臺東人也不會同意。","在這邊我要跟院長說的是，雖然中央主管機關也都初步跟本席答應不同意開發，但是目前業者還沒有放棄，根據現在的中央法規，風電開發案的主責機關就是經濟部跟環境部，開發許可是由經濟部核發，環境部則負責環評的審核，因此本席想要請卓榮泰院長表態，身為中央行政單位的最高首長，是否願意要求各部會，若風電開發案持續在臺東的海岸線進行，中央部會務必要克盡審核的職責，聽進我們地方的聲音，阻止未經同意的風電開發案來破壞臺東的海岸線？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：先請經濟部談一下現在的程序，我再來作決定。"],["何次長晉滄：好。"],["黃委員建賓：院長，本席的意思是，如果有這樣的事情，院長可以承諾會要求各部會要嚴格審查這件事情嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：嚴格審查是必定的，我想先請經濟部簡單答復現在的程序是怎麼進行。"],["何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，這個案子事實上要先經過地方政府的同意，然後再經過環評的程序，我想如果地方不支持，而環評的過程可能也牽涉到敏感地區的話，我想我們也都不會支持的。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝次長的答復。次長，其實本席跟縣長都已經公開表示，但是因為業者還在進行，為什麼本席會再強調這件事？因為去年其實就有一個案例，那時候國防部在沒有跟當地居民妥善溝通下，就打算在關山設置戰備跑道，院長很清楚這件事情嘛！這個戰備跑道一做下去之後，是破壞大規模的良田，在本席持續反映，以及跟饒縣長、關山鎮長帶著鄉親北上來立法院抗議後，就有阻止這個政策。本席要非常嚴肅地向中央表達，中央在未來整個風電的開發或是綠能開發案的時候，絕對要尊重地方的意見，要跟地方妥善溝通，絕對不能打著綠電之名，卻在行破壞之實。我也要很負責任的跟所有臺東鄉親講，只要黃建賓還在立法院一天，我絕對會盡全力阻止未經共識的風電開發案，我絕對保護臺東的環境。","接下來，本席要持續針對臺東的經濟民生議題來跟中央反映，我請農業部部長。"],["主席：麻煩請農業部部長備詢。"],["黃委員建賓：院長、部長，受到極端氣候的影響，去年連續有幾個強颱侵襲臺灣，根據農業部的統計報告，去年下半年度3個強颱造成全臺灣的農損約52億元，其中光是康芮颱風，臺東縣的農損就高達7億8,000萬，可以說是全國最嚴重的地區。不僅如此，今年受到一些連續低溫的影響，很多的農作物都出現授粉不佳、結果率差的情況，恐怕今年的產量都會銳減。先前在本席與縣政府共同努力爭取之下，農業部也已經公告臺東「改良種芒果」天然災害救助辦法，本席在這邊要先給農業部肯定，也要繼續跟農業部反映，臺東的酪梨其實也跟芒果一樣遇到相同的情況，就是結果率不佳，本席也多次跟農友去會勘，也跟農業部開過會，我們希望能夠儘快提供協助給農友。昨天我們看到農業部已有公告，屏東縣已經被核列為酪梨的災害救助地區，我想要請教陳部長，關於臺東酪梨的災害救助進度，目前是怎麼樣？是否願意儘速協助臺東縣的這些酪梨農？"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，有關於酪梨的部分，特別包括酪梨、芒果、荔枝、龍眼屏東大概是因為花期最早，所以在判定的時候通常是最早，就我所了解的，在酪梨的部分，其實我們臺東區農業改良場，還有我們的分署已經在那邊看了好幾次，而且隨時在關心，因為開花的過程中受到低溫的影響，有一些可能還需要一些時間來斷定它是不是會生理落果或是其他的，所以預計大概在5月初的時候可以達到一個比較適當的判斷時間。"],["黃委員建賓：是，謝謝部長明確答復。部長，其實本席昨天才剛去，這張照片是昨天才去田裡面看的，整個都沒有著花，都光禿禿的，這個時候應該是酪梨農在包酪梨的時候了，照理說這個時候應該都結果了，結果一顆都沒有，所以這個情況非常嚴重。本席要強調，很多人都認為臺東是釋迦，其實臺東是全臺灣酪梨第三大的產區，我想中央對這個部分絕對不能忽視，再次提醒，不能因為縣市不同就給予差別待遇。"],["陳部長駿季：我想我們針對天然災害勘災，不會因為不同的縣市，也不會因為不同政黨執政而有所改變。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝部長，本席就是在等部長這句話，我先替臺東的農民謝謝部長，也希望能夠儘快來協助，因為它一年就這一次的收成，今年就看這門，這門如果沒有收成，今年就白做工了，要重新再來一次。另外針對中央的天然災害救助流程，本席也希望務必從速、從簡，這個是我們希望能夠做到的事情，這樣才能夠真正幫到農民。農業部有推出農產業天然災害現地拍照的app，其實有很多農民的年齡偏大，他根本不會使用，我甚至有聽到有些鄉親為了幫助這些長輩去田裡面拍照，在上傳的過程中不小心摔斷腿，這讓我們都覺得有點心疼，特別是農民災後都急著要復耕，許多農民朋友都有跟我們反映，其實救助金發放的時間真的太久了。","另外就是每一個鄉鎮的查核人員標準不太一樣，也會造成許多的爭議，因此，為了減少農民的不便跟危險，也減輕基層公務人員的工作負擔，本席在這邊提出具體的建議，希望農業部在災損的認定上能夠更善用科技，可以跟內政部國土測繪中心跨部會合作，運用我們現在有的衛星光譜遙測，來協助判定我們受災的面積大概是多少，能夠加速認定，還有提報救助的流程，讓我們受損的情況能夠真正達到從速、從寬的方式，也要減輕……至於後續的稽核制度，我想也可以跨部會來開會，最重要的就是，避免農民蠟燭兩頭燒，一方面要恢復農地，另一方面又要趕快報災情。部長，以後我們是不是可以研議用這樣的方式、這樣的技術，納入後續我們在勘災還有救助認定的過程，能夠讓它更方便？"],["陳部長駿季：我簡單的跟委員報告，我們也了解地方在勘災時的人力負擔，所以我們在天然災害救助辦法裡面其實已經很明確的規定看天氣的參數就直接判定，那是最快的，這個部分我想我們會陸續根據試驗單位提供的數據，陸續去公告採用這樣的方式。第二個部分，就是您剛才所說的，利用衛星的技術。以酪梨來講，他看不出來，因為從上面看下去的時候，酪梨的落果，或是酪梨的結果是看不到的。"],["黃委員建賓：部長，我是說相關的農損，像稻米就很明顯。"],["陳部長駿季：對，所以有一些我們用衛星的這些技術、航拍的部分，特別是農業部自己在航測及遙測分署有飛機可以飛，所以我們每一次天災的時候，都用航遙測的飛機去飛了以後做證據的保全，萬一有一些爭議的時候可以協助農民來做一些舉證，這個部分我們會來做。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝部長。部長，這個部分會後是不是在一週內能夠提供相關的資訊給本席辦公室？"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["黃委員建賓：我們共同來協助臺東的農民。"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["黃委員建賓：臺東的產業很單純，就觀光跟農業。像農民又是相對弱勢，這一塊我們一起來加油，感謝部長。"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["黃委員建賓：我想再利用最後的時間，把握時間來跟院長質詢最近臺東也很關心的議題，這跟臺東的經濟息息相關。最近根據臺鐵票價調整方案，臺北、臺東的來回自強號要漲超過三百塊，對臺東人來講，票價跟西部一樣，可是其實交通品質是有嚴重的落差，這非常不公平。尤其東部人陸上大眾運輸大概就是靠鐵路，不像西部還有高鐵、客運、高速公路，目前臺東都還沒有從0403強震以及強颱中恢復，觀光也受到很嚴重的衝擊，現在中央調漲票價對東部來講是雪上加霜。本席已經多次要求中央必須研擬花東居民的票價優惠方案，也當面質詢過我們國發會主委跟我們交通部部長，希望可以透過花東基金用專款專用的方式，協助補貼我們花東居民的票價，主委跟部長也都表示這是可以做的方向。這兩天我看到臺鐵代理董事長有初步的回應，將依據行政院指示，規劃將設籍在花東的民眾，提供比會員制更優惠的票價方案，最快在6月23號跟票價調整同步上路。本席想要請教院長，這個方案什麼時候可以出爐？院長可不可以承諾……"],["卓院長榮泰：因為臺鐵30年沒有調整票價，我們必須支持它調整，但是對於花東地區，我們已經在研擬優惠的方案，希望能讓花東的居民減輕他的負擔。"],["黃委員建賓：院長，本席絕對能夠體諒臺鐵的人員，但我現在要跟你討論公平性的問題，為什麼東部、西部的票價一樣貴，可是臺東要常常面臨天災，只要發生天災鐵路就會中斷的問題，所以這部分我希望能有更具體的方案。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們積極研議對花東地區居民優惠的方案，現在臺鐵正在研議，會儘快讓它公布。"],["黃委員建賓：謝謝院長、謝謝部長。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝黃建賓委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、農業部備詢。","接下來我們請張宏陸委員質詢，丁學忠委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","黃國昌","黃珊珊","王定宇","陳素月","葛如鈞","許宇甄","吳琪銘","賴士葆","蔡其昌","鍾佳濱","沈發惠","陳菁徽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繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143901_00003"}}}