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00:01:46,389\n是溫暖的對業者實際上沒有要緩爭的但不能給人家錯覺啦我問一下部長喔你最近因為包括院行政院長還有很多部會首長都有下鄉嘛都有去跟一些業者座談你有參加過類似的座談嗎沒有你都沒有參加都沒有那所以你你認為說對業者不會有影響是你自己的評估\n\n5\n00:01:47,869 --> 00:02:12,557\n還是說有跟業者有溝通過因為那些業者在近期都要繳納自主減量的計畫嘛那才有優惠的費率那目前呢其實我們會陸續收到那當然有些業者也的確有不一樣的聲音來跟我們反映所以我們也了解那其實包含了院長也或是總統在下降的時候也有幫我們做一些回應啊所以其實我們大概都知道大家的想法\n\n6\n00:02:13,197 --> 00:02:27,242\n是喔所以你每人沒有參加是由院長或總統幫你我建議說因為我聽到的一些聲音跟你可能不一樣啦所以我建議如果有類似的機會部長應該也要去跟他們面對面了解實際狀況\n\n7\n00:02:28,462 --> 00:02:51,871\n那像碳費這個東西他不是說只要繳碳費而已其實實際上在事先很多作業就要花很多成本進去譬如說他要做碳盤查或這些東西其實你去可以了解一下到底做這些事情對於現在目前企業假設已經面臨到比較困難的經營這一塊有什麼影響啦環境部可以協助什麼如果你走到第一線的話我覺得是比較好啦\n\n8\n00:02:52,031 --> 00:03:19,554\n但是因為今天聽你講好像比較硬嘛你覺得說已經沒有改的空間了嘛就一定要收了嘛就是攤費是一定要收的我建議啦還是去跟業者接觸一下第二個我想跟你問一下這也是川普關稅政策引發出來的一個議題啦我們現在也在呼籲說是不是利用這個機會對於貨物稅好好的檢討一下因為川普認為說台灣有一些比如說汽車來講的話\n\n9\n00:03:20,755 --> 00:03:38,906\n貨物稅太高了這是非關稅的貿易障礙那每一次我們在財政委員會跟財政部建議財安部都會把環保這個議題拿出來講他就說因為如果貨物稅存在的話那可以鼓勵大家舊車換新車用減免貨物稅的方式那這個目的就是環保嘛\n\n10\n00:03:39,326 --> 00:04:02,802\n第二個就是現在如果買電動車那貨物稅也會比較低其實這也是為了環保我說那個財政部在跟環境部在這一塊有溝通過為什麼他認為他認為這種方式是最環保因為理論上來講你如果貨物稅全面降低的話包括進口車包括國內的我們自製的國產車全部降下來\n\n11\n00:04:03,522 --> 00:04:20,744\n那對於你降低一點點貨物稅去鼓勵以救換薪絕對效果會更好啊我們現在的汽車絕大多數都是要必須要符合環保法規法有吧有我們現在汽車應該都有換貨非常嚴格的那你的車價全面下降誘因會更大啊\n\n12\n00:04:21,925 --> 00:04:38,739\n絕對不會說你要換車給你降個五萬塊的貨物稅我覺得相較以來誘因是應該是全面下降誘因更大那所有車子假設換的比較多新車又都是符合環保法規的那應該更環保啊我想問部長啊就環保的角度你覺得財政部講的這個對嗎\n\n13\n00:04:41,801 --> 00:05:10,209\n因為我有看到經濟部已經表態喔他說他認為他認為汽機車的的這個貨物稅是可以調降的限制只有財政部不願意那從環保的角度不懂怎麼看對包委員那個因為如果說電動車這個低排放的跟這個原有的油電車油車其實它有一個價差那這個是鼓勵大家的一個做法鼓勵大家換電動車的確換電動車但是因為整個關稅或貨物稅是整個對國際的一個談判那這個我們是我們是尊重\n\n14\n00:05:10,609 --> 00:05:18,736\n我是說如果全面降貨物稅如果大家不管你換電動車換有電車換到有環保法規的車那不是更環保嗎\n\n15\n00:05:19,902 --> 00:05:48,015\n呃當然啦這個其實因為這個這個稅率的定義因為我們過去我沒有叫你從那個財政的角度我是說從環保的角度對對一定就是多換新車全面下降刺激誘因更環保嘛一定是這樣嘛是而且電動車其實有人講說電動車在生產過程當中也沒有比較環保啦因為他會用更多的那個金錢不過委員這樣的一個情況就是說我們的買的車的人可能擁有車的人會更多那也會造成另外一種空污問題\n\n16\n00:05:50,731 --> 00:05:58,968\n最後一個因為你們在業務報告裡面有提到說現在推動旅宿業一次用旅宿用品減量\n\n17\n00:05:59,929 --> 00:06:20,485\n那裡面其實我了解就是有一些業者的反應就是有一個規定講得不是太清楚他說你們這些備品因為現在是不提供但是如果消費者臨時需要仍可向業者索取或購買那這個到底是索取還是購買都可以都可以那這就有這就會有一點點糾紛在這邊了\n\n18\n00:06:23,860 --> 00:06:49,709\n因為有的人就認為說他有的人是有的消費者覺得欸你要給我免費給我啊有的業者用賣的啊然後他說啊那規那那個財政那個環境部就沒有講得很清楚呃報委員因為有些縣市呃其實他們在宣導上面我覺得宣導上用於上或者是一致心上可能要統一一下不然你會你講的很模糊在現場就會造成一些酒粉大家會去炒這個事情啊\n\n19\n00:06:50,385 --> 00:06:59,637\n對其實這個是需要讓大家都習慣啦啊這個題再有一個過渡期過渡期對可能還是要去了解盡量解決一下啦是是是好謝謝好謝謝葉言之委員的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7042\t9643\t麻煩請環境部長謝謝有請馮部長又有人好部長好因為川普的關稅政策大家在討論說碳稅要不要延後徵收那您的說法我有看到兩個不同版本所以利用這個機會再跟你確認一下第一個版本是你講說是絕對不會緩徵的會如期\n30074\t59320\t第二個說法是前兩天我看到媒體報導你說現在講這個還言之過早如果要做決定的話要等對等關稅決定後再來有效評估那到底是哪一個版本包委員第一個是我們現在完全不知道關稅最後的談判的結果是如何對台灣的衝擊影響如何所以我們現在真的說什麼還太早那另外一個呢所以是有可能緩爭只是現在不能做決定沒有因為其實包委員因為我們所有的碳費占企業的整個營收或是毛利都\n60060\t84827\t我距離營收的部分都是零點零幾所以就是不會還真嗎我現在只是確定你講得到一點不會還真因為你一開始講說絕對不會再怎麼樣都不會後來說法是看狀況看那個對等關稅訂多少我們再來決定所以其實實際上是都不會還真再怎麼樣都不會還真嗎我們必須很溫暖的對業者啦因為現在其實業者很憂心啦所以我不想要太這麼直接的所以你說那個說再決定是\n85447\t106389\t是溫暖的對業者實際上沒有要緩爭的但不能給人家錯覺啦我問一下部長喔你最近因為包括院行政院長還有很多部會首長都有下鄉嘛都有去跟一些業者座談你有參加過類似的座談嗎沒有你都沒有參加都沒有那所以你你認為說對業者不會有影響是你自己的評估\n107869\t132557\t還是說有跟業者有溝通過因為那些業者在近期都要繳納自主減量的計畫嘛那才有優惠的費率那目前呢其實我們會陸續收到那當然有些業者也的確有不一樣的聲音來跟我們反映所以我們也了解那其實包含了院長也或是總統在下降的時候也有幫我們做一些回應啊所以其實我們大概都知道大家的想法\n133197\t147242\t是喔 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包委員那個因為如果說電動車這個低排放的跟這個原有的油電車油車其實它有一個價差那這個是鼓勵大家的一個做法鼓勵大家換電動車的確換電動車但是因為整個關稅或貨物稅是整個對國際的一個談判那這個我們是我們是尊重\n310609\t318736\t我是說如果全面降貨物稅如果大家不管你換電動車換有電車換到有環保法規的車那不是更環保嗎\n319902\t348015\t呃當然啦這個其實因為這個這個稅率的定義因為我們過去我沒有叫你從那個財政的角度我是說從環保的角度對對一定就是多換新車全面下降刺激誘因更環保嘛一定是這樣嘛是而且電動車其實有人講說電動車在生產過程當中也沒有比較環保啦因為他會用更多的那個金錢不過委員這樣的一個情況就是說我們的買的車的人可能擁有車的人會更多那也會造成另外一種空污問題\n350731\t358968\t最後一個因為你們在業務報告裡面有提到說現在推動旅宿業一次用旅宿用品減量\n359929\t380485\t那裡面其實我了解就是有一些業者的反應就是有一個規定講得不是太清楚他說你們這些備品因為現在是不提供但是如果消費者臨時需要仍可向業者索取或購買那這個到底是索取還是購買都可以都可以那這就有這就會有一點點糾紛在這邊了\n383860\t409709\t因為有的人就認為說他有的人是有的消費者覺得欸你要給我免費給我啊有的業者用賣的啊然後他說啊那規那那個財政那個環境部就沒有講得很清楚呃報委員因為有些縣市呃其實他們在宣導上面我覺得宣導上用於上或者是一致心上可能要統一一下不然你會你講的很模糊在現場就會造成一些酒粉大家會去炒這個事情啊\n410385\t419637\t對 其實這個是需要讓大家都習慣啦啊這個題再有一個過渡期 過渡期 對可能還是要去了解 盡量解決一下啦是是是 好 謝謝好 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