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00:00:44,004\n最早的國家我只是知道70多個國家都有探定價啦有的是雙邊最早的是1990的芬蘭1990的挪威瑞典對挪威就是北歐嘛所以我就主要是要講說其實我們已經落後35年了結果我們還在討論定價的問題\n\n3\n00:00:47,788 --> 00:01:04,568\n那其實所以很多專業的問題跟以後要付出的部分其實大家都要及時管理要共同來努力那我最主要是要講說瑞社我上次說了他們大概三分之二的溫室氣體的一個管理基金因為賺了非常多的錢他用作我們他們的健康保險\n\n4\n00:01:05,868 --> 00:01:27,782\n那愛爾蘭呢直接訂大概6塊錢每公頓的那個歐元也就是222塊台幣左右呢是用作救濟的弱勢家庭跟勞工那為什麼要提出這個是希望說以後在跨部會討論的時候你要有這方面的思維其實有很多以後的收入是要用來做社會救濟跟社會福利的先附帶這個\n\n5\n00:01:28,822 --> 00:01:40,696\n第二個就是說看了你這個60節的報告當然我很用心讀大概有一些我比較有興趣的地方問一下大概公測的部分我看你說因為本來目標是4000後來是達到4290\n\n6\n00:01:43,559 --> 00:02:04,720\n那這個是我比較想知道是是做的比較好做的地區嗎還是說只針對比如說北部或者說交通便利的地方有沒有特偏遠的地方或者說我們花東區域或者是屏東高雄比較偏遠地區你有沒有實際的報告可以給我們參考說你確實有在對公車部分有做了這些努力\n\n7\n00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:22,713\n包委員其實我們現在是鼓勵新的好的公廁啦所以任何地方有願意想要來挑戰更好的我們都會鼓勵來跟我們申請我要提醒就是說其實我們原住民常常有一些祭典那我們現在也有睡食祭一覺其實我們之間要去參加一個祭典其實我最擔心的就是上廁所的問題\n\n8\n00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:43,535\n比如說我今天要去桃園去的LARUA組的一個聖貝祭那到了那個地方的時候你看到共車其實都是所謂的流動廁所你到了阿里山要參加聖貝祭也是那個戰祭還有我們南莊五峰的矮林祭甚至是到我們排灣組的五年祭其實人山人海\n\n9\n00:02:44,116 --> 00:03:08,997\n然後其實我們為了要解決廁所我都會先去之前要先到7-11或什麼可是如果真的像很多老人家小朋友其實在那麼多人的場地的時候其實上廁所是最大的問題所以我希望環境部能夠盤點一下這些舉辦傳統祭典的地方是不是應該設置公共廁所而且是主動的要去盤查設置的地點\n\n10\n00:03:09,537 --> 00:03:31,264\n好委員這個點子非常好建議非常好那如果委員可以再提供給我們一些點的話我們會積極來考慮然後來主動來協助好就針對我看到的一些你的一些人才培訓的計畫我給予高度的肯定然後那我希望他的類別不要太專就是單純的不要應該要所謂的\n\n11\n00:03:32,765 --> 00:03:49,521\n複雜化多元化像列寧3500人我們青年環境永續圓夢計畫是61人然後你的歐盟執委會有七個那我想說他跟公費留學考試去取得學位的這個部分有沒有重疊不一樣是\n\n12\n00:03:50,461 --> 00:04:10,997\n這個不影響到公費留學這個是鼓勵年輕朋友去圓夢留學是留學這個是公費那我知道我的意思是說如果說我們要解決我們台灣複雜的環境問題是不是就從這個計畫裡面比如說你的青年環境永續圓夢計畫或者是這個歐盟的這個部分是不是應該去派錢去專業的人去那邊學習如何處理複雜的環境問題\n\n13\n00:04:13,478 --> 00:04:33,418\n報告委員因為那個是屬於教育部特別是請我們環境部來規劃所以當然我們是希望說未來去那個地方考察的經過我們的渠道去的也可以變成我們所用啦所以這個委員提的這個建議非常的好那我們當然是希望說有過國外的視野之後回來可以幫忙解決台灣的問題\n\n14\n00:04:34,059 --> 00:04:48,305\nOK那我希望說這所謂的青年環境永續圓夢計畫這61個人他的那個計畫應該是多元的不是只有單方面只是針對某個項目的一個環境的議題好嗎那進入到我上個禮拜我去\n\n15\n00:04:49,485 --> 00:05:04,704\n藏濱工業區辦一個所謂的中部環保業的一個座談謝謝我們次長跟我們的署長都有參與那也謝謝我們本會有王真旭委員黃學芳委員還有我們麥一貞委員跟我一起去看\n\n16\n00:05:05,265 --> 00:05:31,305\n那有提供一個四個建議我希望直接面報給我們部長因為部長你可能太忙沒有空那我們這邊再看一下針對那個刪除玻璃纖維紋製這個部分就是這個辦法大概即將滿一年然後他們在這一年裡面所遇到很大的問題就是這個字眼拿掉了讓他們造成他們的工作上的困擾部長你知道嗎知道知道OK\n\n17\n00:05:32,757 --> 00:05:55,380\n下午會來討論第二個就是所謂的再生力量管理辦法也就是CLSM那他說因為有些弊案會發生比如說道路崩塌或什麼的那是不是應該訂一個更嚴格的管理辦法這個部分有在研議嗎這個是黃官署嗎是來請幫我說明一下\n\n18\n00:05:56,462 --> 00:06:12,732\n包委員,那個洩漏水利料的用途跟用的地方有規範都有一定的規範,它應該是不能用在那種結構的地方就是用在馬路上嗎?馬路附面可以\n\n19\n00:06:14,293 --> 00:06:34,287\n那反正就是要讓業者知道說其實你們有一個管理辦法讓他們去做的時候有更好的一個參考指標好不好第三個就是廢棄物清除業就是因為現在處理業跟回收業他有開放外勞可是清除業就沒有就是很奇怪3K產業部長你知道3K產業是什麼嗎\n\n20\n00:06:38,973 --> 00:07:04,978\n這是我看環境部的那個公告,3K產業,我還不知道K是什麼危險、辛苦、骯髒結果K不是英文,是日文嘛那既然是這樣,我為什麼讀漏清除業在沒有把外勞放進來,一起來幫忙這件事情那因為之前是因為那個駕駛有駕駛關係,所以那個勞動部他會有點疑慮啦我們現在也在爭取,爭取要把他列進來\n\n21\n00:07:05,818 --> 00:07:30,431\n對因為最主要是說司機還要去幫忙做一些清楚的工作或者是說去這個那麼髒的環境底下都已經那麼難找司機結果你還是限制他的一個運用所以這個部分一定要強烈的要求把外勞引進來讓他來幫忙這件事情可以嗎好可以好最後一項就是所謂的我們現在的我們焚化廠的設備逐年老舊劣化這個部分我們環境部有沒有什麼規劃\n\n22\n00:07:34,059 --> 00:07:41,641\n報告委員我們有規劃逐年來做這個更新跟那個他的效能的提升\n\n23\n00:07:42,335 --> 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