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00:02:29,891\n那當然啦也有其他這個光陽其實也很努力在爭取但是整個大家的使用習慣裡面應該從遊車換成電動車但是沒有大幅度的去移動轉換到那個地方的確是有這樣的一個現象發生好那最主要的原因是什麼你有去討論或者是跟你們這個各單位稍微討論一下嗎因為其實一方面就是說交換站那個\n\n8\n00:02:31,672 --> 00:02:50,872\n不方便這個也是一個原因啦另外就是說電動機車其實也蠻貴的那這個交換站不容易然後再來就是月租那個電池的那個月租其實對一般的民眾來講我如果是每天只是單純\n\n9\n00:02:52,853 --> 00:03:06,483\n我每個月還要付幾百塊其實他會覺得那我就買那個那個油車比較便宜嘛所以我不知道說部長您有沒有針對這部分就是說未來要怎麼去推動這個電動\n\n10\n00:03:10,685 --> 00:03:29,449\n電動機車要怎麼去推動要不然我覺得說如果我們一直覺得說這個移動污染源比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果這個電動機車或電動汽車一直變成說台灣的這種成效不是那麼好的話那你要怎麼讓這個移動污染源減少\n\n11\n00:03:30,662 --> 00:03:50,070\n這個部分其實因為謝謝委員的建議我們會再來去思考一下因為這個是交通部他們的這個方案那我們過去在空污減量裡面的確我們的大氣師的空污基金也丟了很多錢下去也改善了非常的多但是事實上還是要回到市場機制能夠順利的來運行\n\n12\n00:03:51,551 --> 00:04:13,456\n那很可惜的就是近期這個Gogoro他在出了一些事情之後似乎我們市場上一堆民眾有一些信心上的一個疑慮所以造成他的這個一直都沒有辦法往上走甚至他有一些經營的壓力存在這個我們都有觀察到那我們現在其實內部也在討論說第一個他的確有一些問題要去解決因為我們過去\n\n13\n00:04:14,376 --> 00:04:38,609\n補助了他們非常的多那其實有一部分都是我們空污基金還有我們增量抵換專案我們給他們很大的一個協助那甚至未來的光陽它的一個發展甚至還有其實YAMAHA也有所以其實這個產業應該是有一個跨級到經濟部還有我們交通部還有我們三個部會謝謝委員的建議我再來找他們再來討論一下這個要怎麼去解決\n\n14\n00:04:39,269 --> 00:04:47,317\n部長因為我們的這個補助原本我們就是老舊車輛太舊換新這個補助是延長到2026年12月那如果萬一好了明年你們開始就不補助了\n\n15\n00:04:56,361 --> 00:04:59,746\n這個我覺得如果不補助那換成電動機車的這種狀況不是更慘嗎的確是有可能會這個樣子所以我覺得應該也要再去思考一下怎麼去讓這個狀況\n\n16\n00:05:11,762 --> 00:05:33,433\n一方面要讓我們的空污這個移動污染源的空污能夠減少那如果說民眾到最後他還是買油車的話那當然我覺得這個移動污染源他還是會繼續存在嘛對對對所以這個我們再來討論因為目前就是環評的增量抵換專案這個部分的確是有一些補助也鼓勵大家去做這個更換啦\n\n17\n00:05:34,073 --> 00:05:50,684\n但是這個也有一個期限所以也謝謝委員的建議我們再給我們一點點時間再找跨兩個部門再討論好那之前部長也有特別提到就是那個中小學校這個中小學的校區周邊空瓶的這個議題\n\n18\n00:05:52,145 --> 00:06:05,903\n那其實很多就是上下學的時候家長可能就載小朋友那有的是代數上下學然後車輛可能就代數摩托車是代數那這樣子的話可能也造成學校周邊的這個空氣\n\n19\n00:06:08,246 --> 00:06:30,016\n空氣不好空氣品質不好那之前也特別提到就是說我們高中值以下的學校沒有針對這個那個空氣品質管制有做一個規範所以我不知道說部長因為之前也有特別提到這個部分那也有討論這個問題那我不知道說部長針對這個的話我們目前有沒有什麼樣的進展\n\n20\n00:06:35,359 --> 00:06:50,849\n包委員因為之前我們有提到一個空品維護區今天媒體有報導說只有10個的確是因為那個是地方環保單位一起要來推動現有的人力其實他們我們也是希望他們能夠擴大那目前我們現在做法第一個是\n\n21\n00:06:52,030 --> 00:07:17,988\n有很多的学校是在都会地区特别交通繁忙的地区这个是我们会列为一个优先关注的一个校园的方案那我们会优先进行改善然后另外一个是工业区的旁边这个是我们首要的一个重点那其他的部分呢就未来其实还是要从这个整个社会的改变例如说我们要把这个家长会结合在一起因为这个是家长的习惯家长要很方便的送到门口然后再要下\n\n22\n00:07:22,030 --> 00:07:50,510\n所以这个其实我们是需要更好的一个教育那我们也跟大气师会来讨论来怎么样完整来进行这些事情这个的确是需要一点点时间需要一点点更好的一个策略不然的话我也害怕说变成是一个口号的一个行动而已那部长之前也有特别提到就是说如果国内就是像韩国如果说他们空气品质不好的话那可能就会发出那个细胞简讯那你们有曾经这样想过吗\n\n23\n00:07:50,970 --> 00:08:09,783\n我們有但是其實細胞簡訊一定要很強烈的說空污到某一個層級那台灣應該是沒有發生過沒有發過我們現在其實是已經在我們的APP裡面你可以設定好嚴重的話我們會自動發給你APP一定要訂閱才可以\n\n24\n00:08:09,963 --> 00:08:35,520\n好其實我今天也是要麻煩部長因為所有的不論是水空氣其實這個是我們每天就一定是這樣子一定接觸到然後這個是對人體會有很大的影響所以當然就是說部長上來之後你有很多事情要做那我們也希望就是說真的要有真的要去\n\n25\n00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:52,026\n一步一步去實踐就是說真的要去把它做然後真的要有改善另外就是說我們環境部要成立一個空氣品質監測跟預報中心那預計就是說上半年能夠掛牌那目前的進度是怎樣\n\n26\n00:08:52,366 --> 00:09:12,892\n目前正在進行當中目前這個人力的移波已經由原來的建置師移到這個大氣師他們正在運作那我們也在爭取希望這多一些經費能夠讓他的運作能夠跟以前不一樣所以現在正在進行當中那預計是五月份會正來進行所以真的五月就可以掛牌對\n\n27\n00:09:15,013 --> 00:09:26,739\n因為第一個是組織的調整其實我們現在都在抱怨跨部會都在抱怨讓我們組織可以改名字把科移過去所以已經在實際上業務正在進行當中了\n\n28\n00:09:29,901 --> 00:09:36,763\n那我們當然也希望就是說有這樣的一個這個空氣品質監測跟預報中心如果成立之後其實算是一個空氣品質監測預報防治一體啦所以應該會更好吧我期待應該是會更好啦\n\n29\n00:09:49,107 --> 00:10:17,111\n就是要更及時的去做處理我們希望是這樣制度的改變會更好所以我們在這邊期待就是說部長是一個願意做事情的人那當然就是說這個我剛剛講的空氣水這個是每天真的我們都會碰到那如果說今天空氣品質不好的話其實你呼吸起來你也會覺得像我如果遇到那個有時候遇到那個鞭炮放鞭炮\n\n30\n00:10:17,891 --> 00:10:38,026\n最近那個三月或者是遶境然後那個有時候鞭炮這樣一放真的你會嚇死然後你都會覺得那個空氣你都快吸不到空氣了所以我是覺得說部長真的你上來之後你是一個願意做事情的人那當然我們是從學校周邊這邊\n\n31\n00:10:39,488 --> 00:10:51,603\n開始做起讓孩子們每天上學的這個環境能夠更好我覺得這也是我們做家長或者是我們的政府應該做的事情啦好不好可以謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3341\t4045\t謝謝主席 我們請部長請部長\n8975\t36423\t黃委員好 部長好 部長我今天想要請部長就是針對我們這個這個固定污染源跟移動污染源這個部分那我等一下會請部長這邊做一個回答那我們知道就是說全臺灣所有的這個機車族從北到南幾乎很多都自己騎摩托車那在前幾年大家就一直因為有政府補助那個電動電動機車\n38784\t64206\t所以大家一直認為就是說如果這個移動污染源是比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果透過這樣子電動機車或電動汽車這樣子一個推廣那是不是可以讓我們的空氣品質能夠更好那可是我看到就是說我們的這個電動機車在疫情之後就是市占率就一直下滑那我也看到就是說我們在\n68669\t88399\t2023年我們全國的電動機車掛牌就是差不多八萬兩千輛那2024差不多七萬八千輛那到2025第一季剩下七千多輛那這個大減六成到今年那我想請教就是說部長這個最主要的原因是什麼\n89472\t103097\t第一個是補助的確是變少那目前我們有一個環評的增量抵換專案也有在補助那那個地方也有在加碼那另外一個是其實Gogoro因為這幾年相對的\n104878\t123042\t他在整個推動營運策略或是使用者的使用的習慣裡面很像沒有好到那樣的一個水準加上他公司的營運也出現一些問題我們有觀察到其實也有很多人覺得這個騎這個電動車包含他電池的這個能效都沒有特別的好\n123762\t149891\t那當然啦也有其他這個光陽其實也很努力在爭取但是整個大家的使用習慣裡面應該從遊車換成電動車但是沒有大幅度的去移動轉換到那個地方的確是有這樣的一個現象發生好那最主要的原因是什麼你有去討論或者是跟你們這個各單位稍微討論一下嗎因為其實一方面就是說交換站那個\n151672\t170872\t不方便這個也是一個原因啦另外就是說電動機車其實也蠻貴的那這個交換站不容易然後再來就是月租那個電池的那個月租其實對一般的民眾來講我如果是每天只是單純\n172853\t186483\t我每個月還要付幾百塊其實他會覺得那我就買那個那個油車比較便宜嘛所以我不知道說部長您有沒有針對這部分就是說未來要怎麼去推動這個電動\n190685\t209449\t電動機車要怎麼去推動要不然我覺得說如果我們一直覺得說這個移動污染源比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果這個電動機車或電動汽車一直變成說台灣的這種成效不是那麼好的話那你要怎麼讓這個移動污染源減少\n210662\t230070\t這個部分其實因為謝謝委員的建議我們會再來去思考一下因為這個是交通部他們的這個方案那我們過去在空污減量裡面的確我們的大氣師的空污基金也丟了很多錢下去也改善了非常的多但是事實上還是要回到市場機制能夠順利的來運行\n231551\t253456\t那很可惜的就是近期這個Gogoro他在出了一些事情之後似乎我們市場上一堆民眾有一些信心上的一個疑慮所以造成他的這個一直都沒有辦法往上走甚至他有一些經營的壓力存在這個我們都有觀察到那我們現在其實內部也在討論說第一個他的確有一些問題要去解決因為我們過去\n254376\t278609\t補助了他們非常的多那其實有一部分都是我們空污基金還有我們增量抵換專案我們給他們很大的一個協助那甚至未來的光陽它的一個發展甚至還有其實YAMAHA也有所以其實這個產業應該是有一個跨級到經濟部還有我們交通部還有我們三個部會謝謝委員的建議我再來找他們再來討論一下這個要怎麼去解決\n279269\t287317\t部長因為我們的這個補助原本我們就是老舊車輛太舊換新這個補助是延長到2026年12月那如果萬一好了明年你們開始就不補助了\n296361\t299746\t這個我覺得如果不補助那換成電動機車的這種狀況不是更慘嗎的確是有可能會這個樣子所以我覺得應該也要再去思考一下怎麼去讓這個狀況\n311762\t333433\t一方面要讓我們的空污 這個移動污染源的空污能夠減少那如果說民眾到最後他還是買油車的話那當然我覺得這個移動污染源他還是會繼續存在嘛對對對 所以這個我們再來討論因為目前就是環評的增量抵換專案這個部分的確是有一些補助也鼓勵大家去做這個更換啦\n334073\t350684\t但是這個也有一個期限所以也謝謝委員的建議我們再給我們一點點時間再找跨兩個部門再討論好那之前部長也有特別提到就是那個中小學校這個中小學的校區周邊空瓶的這個議題\n352145\t365903\t那其實很多就是上下學的時候家長可能就載小朋友那有的是代數上下學然後車輛可能就代數摩托車是代數那這樣子的話可能也造成學校周邊的這個空氣\n368246\t390016\t空氣不好 空氣品質不好那之前也特別提到就是說我們高中值以下的學校沒有針對這個那個空氣品質管制有做一個規範所以我不知道說部長因為之前也有特別提到這個部分那也有討論這個問題那我不知道說部長針對這個的話我們目前有沒有什麼樣的進展\n395359\t410849\t包委員因為之前我們有提到一個空品維護區今天媒體有報導說只有10個的確是因為那個是地方環保單位一起要來推動現有的人力其實他們我們也是希望他們能夠擴大那目前我們現在做法第一個是\n412030\t437988\t有很多的学校是在都会地区特别交通繁忙的地区这个是我们会列为一个优先关注的一个校园的方案那我们会优先进行改善然后另外一个是工业区的旁边这个是我们首要的一个重点那其他的部分呢就未来其实还是要从这个整个社会的改变例如说我们要把这个家长会结合在一起因为这个是家长的习惯家长要很方便的送到门口然后再要下\n442030\t470510\t所以这个其实我们是需要更好的一个教育那我们也跟大气师会来讨论来怎么样完整来进行这些事情这个的确是需要一点点时间需要一点点更好的一个策略不然的话我也害怕说变成是一个口号的一个行动而已那部长之前也有特别提到就是说如果国内就是像韩国如果说他们空气品质不好的话那可能就会发出那个细胞简讯那你们有曾经这样想过吗\n470970\t489783\t我們有但是其實細胞簡訊一定要很強烈的說空污到某一個層級那台灣應該是沒有發生過沒有發過我們現在其實是已經在我們的APP裡面你可以設定好嚴重的話我們會自動發給你APP一定要訂閱才可以\n489963\t515520\t好 其實我今天也是要麻煩部長因為所有的 不論是水 空氣其實這個是我們每天就一定是這樣子一定接觸到然後這個是對人體會有很大的影響所以當然就是說部長上來之後你有很多事情要做那我們也希望就是說真的要有真的要去\n516320\t532026\t一步一步去實踐就是說真的要去把它做然後真的要有改善另外就是說我們環境部要成立一個空氣品質監測跟預報中心那預計就是說上半年能夠掛牌那目前的進度是怎樣\n532366\t552892\t目前正在進行當中目前這個人力的移波已經由原來的建置師移到這個大氣師他們正在運作那我們也在爭取希望這多一些經費能夠讓他的運作能夠跟以前不一樣所以現在正在進行當中那預計是五月份會正來進行所以真的五月就可以掛牌對\n555013\t566739\t因為第一個是組織的調整其實我們現在都在抱怨跨部會都在抱怨讓我們組織可以改名字把科移過去所以已經在實際上業務正在進行當中了\n569901\t576763\t那我們當然也希望就是說有這樣的一個這個空氣品質監測跟預報中心如果成立之後其實算是一個空氣品質監測預報防治一體啦所以應該會更好吧我期待應該是會更好啦\n589107\t617111\t就是要更及時的去做處理我們希望是這樣制度的改變會更好所以我們在這邊期待就是說部長是一個願意做事情的人那當然就是說這個我剛剛講的空氣水這個是每天真的我們都會碰到那如果說今天空氣品質不好的話其實你呼吸起來你也會覺得像我如果遇到那個有時候遇到那個鞭炮放鞭炮\n617891\t638026\t最近那個三月或者是遶境然後那個有時候鞭炮這樣一放真的你會嚇死然後你都會覺得那個空氣你都快吸不到空氣了所以我是覺得說部長真的你上來之後你是一個願意做事情的人那當然我們是從學校周邊這邊\n639488\t651603\t開始做起讓孩子們每天上學的這個環境能夠更好我覺得這也是我們做家長或者是我們的政府應該做的事情啦好不好可以謝謝委員謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請部長請部長\n黃委員好 部長好 部長我今天想要請部長就是針對我們這個這個固定污染源跟移動污染源這個部分那我等一下會請部長這邊做一個回答那我們知道就是說全臺灣所有的這個機車族從北到南幾乎很多都自己騎摩托車那在前幾年大家就一直因為有政府補助那個電動電動機車\n所以大家一直認為就是說如果這個移動污染源是比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果透過這樣子電動機車或電動汽車這樣子一個推廣那是不是可以讓我們的空氣品質能夠更好那可是我看到就是說我們的這個電動機車在疫情之後就是市占率就一直下滑那我也看到就是說我們在\n2023年我們全國的電動機車掛牌就是差不多八萬兩千輛那2024差不多七萬八千輛那到2025第一季剩下七千多輛那這個大減六成到今年那我想請教就是說部長這個最主要的原因是什麼\n第一個是補助的確是變少那目前我們有一個環評的增量抵換專案也有在補助那那個地方也有在加碼那另外一個是其實Gogoro因為這幾年相對的\n他在整個推動營運策略或是使用者的使用的習慣裡面很像沒有好到那樣的一個水準加上他公司的營運也出現一些問題我們有觀察到其實也有很多人覺得這個騎這個電動車包含他電池的這個能效都沒有特別的好\n那當然啦也有其他這個光陽其實也很努力在爭取但是整個大家的使用習慣裡面應該從遊車換成電動車但是沒有大幅度的去移動轉換到那個地方的確是有這樣的一個現象發生好那最主要的原因是什麼你有去討論或者是跟你們這個各單位稍微討論一下嗎因為其實一方面就是說交換站那個\n不方便這個也是一個原因啦另外就是說電動機車其實也蠻貴的那這個交換站不容易然後再來就是月租那個電池的那個月租其實對一般的民眾來講我如果是每天只是單純\n我每個月還要付幾百塊其實他會覺得那我就買那個那個油車比較便宜嘛所以我不知道說部長您有沒有針對這部分就是說未來要怎麼去推動這個電動\n電動機車要怎麼去推動要不然我覺得說如果我們一直覺得說這個移動污染源比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果這個電動機車或電動汽車一直變成說台灣的這種成效不是那麼好的話那你要怎麼讓這個移動污染源減少\n這個部分其實因為謝謝委員的建議我們會再來去思考一下因為這個是交通部他們的這個方案那我們過去在空污減量裡面的確我們的大氣師的空污基金也丟了很多錢下去也改善了非常的多但是事實上還是要回到市場機制能夠順利的來運行\n那很可惜的就是近期這個Gogoro他在出了一些事情之後似乎我們市場上一堆民眾有一些信心上的一個疑慮所以造成他的這個一直都沒有辦法往上走甚至他有一些經營的壓力存在這個我們都有觀察到那我們現在其實內部也在討論說第一個他的確有一些問題要去解決因為我們過去\n補助了他們非常的多那其實有一部分都是我們空污基金還有我們增量抵換專案我們給他們很大的一個協助那甚至未來的光陽它的一個發展甚至還有其實YAMAHA也有所以其實這個產業應該是有一個跨級到經濟部還有我們交通部還有我們三個部會謝謝委員的建議我再來找他們再來討論一下這個要怎麼去解決\n部長因為我們的這個補助原本我們就是老舊車輛太舊換新這個補助是延長到2026年12月那如果萬一好了明年你們開始就不補助了\n這個我覺得如果不補助那換成電動機車的這種狀況不是更慘嗎的確是有可能會這個樣子所以我覺得應該也要再去思考一下怎麼去讓這個狀況\n一方面要讓我們的空污 這個移動污染源的空污能夠減少那如果說民眾到最後他還是買油車的話那當然我覺得這個移動污染源他還是會繼續存在嘛對對對 所以這個我們再來討論因為目前就是環評的增量抵換專案這個部分的確是有一些補助也鼓勵大家去做這個更換啦\n但是這個也有一個期限所以也謝謝委員的建議我們再給我們一點點時間再找跨兩個部門再討論好那之前部長也有特別提到就是那個中小學校這個中小學的校區周邊空瓶的這個議題\n那其實很多就是上下學的時候家長可能就載小朋友那有的是代數上下學然後車輛可能就代數摩托車是代數那這樣子的話可能也造成學校周邊的這個空氣\n空氣不好 空氣品質不好那之前也特別提到就是說我們高中值以下的學校沒有針對這個那個空氣品質管制有做一個規範所以我不知道說部長因為之前也有特別提到這個部分那也有討論這個問題那我不知道說部長針對這個的話我們目前有沒有什麼樣的進展\n包委員因為之前我們有提到一個空品維護區今天媒體有報導說只有10個的確是因為那個是地方環保單位一起要來推動現有的人力其實他們我們也是希望他們能夠擴大那目前我們現在做法第一個是\n有很多的学校是在都会地区特别交通繁忙的地区这个是我们会列为一个优先关注的一个校园的方案那我们会优先进行改善然后另外一个是工业区的旁边这个是我们首要的一个重点那其他的部分呢就未来其实还是要从这个整个社会的改变例如说我们要把这个家长会结合在一起因为这个是家长的习惯家长要很方便的送到门口然后再要下\n所以这个其实我们是需要更好的一个教育那我们也跟大气师会来讨论来怎么样完整来进行这些事情这个的确是需要一点点时间需要一点点更好的一个策略不然的话我也害怕说变成是一个口号的一个行动而已那部长之前也有特别提到就是说如果国内就是像韩国如果说他们空气品质不好的话那可能就会发出那个细胞简讯那你们有曾经这样想过吗\n我們有但是其實細胞簡訊一定要很強烈的說空污到某一個層級那台灣應該是沒有發生過沒有發過我們現在其實是已經在我們的APP裡面你可以設定好嚴重的話我們會自動發給你APP一定要訂閱才可以\n好 其實我今天也是要麻煩部長因為所有的 不論是水 空氣其實這個是我們每天就一定是這樣子一定接觸到然後這個是對人體會有很大的影響所以當然就是說部長上來之後你有很多事情要做那我們也希望就是說真的要有真的要去\n一步一步去實踐就是說真的要去把它做然後真的要有改善另外就是說我們環境部要成立一個空氣品質監測跟預報中心那預計就是說上半年能夠掛牌那目前的進度是怎樣\n目前正在進行當中目前這個人力的移波已經由原來的建置師移到這個大氣師他們正在運作那我們也在爭取希望這多一些經費能夠讓他的運作能夠跟以前不一樣所以現在正在進行當中那預計是五月份會正來進行所以真的五月就可以掛牌對\n因為第一個是組織的調整其實我們現在都在抱怨跨部會都在抱怨讓我們組織可以改名字把科移過去所以已經在實際上業務正在進行當中了\n那我們當然也希望就是說有這樣的一個這個空氣品質監測跟預報中心如果成立之後其實算是一個空氣品質監測預報防治一體啦所以應該會更好吧我期待應該是會更好啦\n就是要更及時的去做處理我們希望是這樣制度的改變會更好所以我們在這邊期待就是說部長是一個願意做事情的人那當然就是說這個我剛剛講的空氣水這個是每天真的我們都會碰到那如果說今天空氣品質不好的話其實你呼吸起來你也會覺得像我如果遇到那個有時候遇到那個鞭炮放鞭炮\n最近那個三月或者是遶境然後那個有時候鞭炮這樣一放真的你會嚇死然後你都會覺得那個空氣你都快吸不到空氣了所以我是覺得說部長真的你上來之後你是一個願意做事情的人那當然我們是從學校周邊這邊\n開始做起讓孩子們每天上學的這個環境能夠更好我覺得這也是我們做家長或者是我們的政府應該做的事情啦好不好可以謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.341 --> 00:04.045\n謝謝主席我們請部長請部長\n\n00:08.975 --> 00:36.423\n黃委員好部長好部長我今天想要請部長就是針對我們這個這個固定污染源跟移動污染源這個部分那我等一下會請部長這邊做一個回答那我們知道就是說全臺灣所有的這個機車族從北到南幾乎很多都自己騎摩托車那在前幾年大家就一直因為有政府補助那個電動電動機車\n\n00:38.784 --> 01:04.206\n所以大家一直認為就是說如果這個移動污染源是比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果透過這樣子電動機車或電動汽車這樣子一個推廣那是不是可以讓我們的空氣品質能夠更好那可是我看到就是說我們的這個電動機車在疫情之後就是市占率就一直下滑那我也看到就是說我們在\n\n01:08.669 --> 01:28.399\n2023年我們全國的電動機車掛牌就是差不多八萬兩千輛那2024差不多七萬八千輛那到2025第一季剩下七千多輛那這個大減六成到今年那我想請教就是說部長這個最主要的原因是什麼\n\n01:29.472 --> 01:43.097\n第一個是補助的確是變少那目前我們有一個環評的增量抵換專案也有在補助那那個地方也有在加碼那另外一個是其實Gogoro因為這幾年相對的\n\n01:44.878 --> 02:03.042\n他在整個推動營運策略或是使用者的使用的習慣裡面很像沒有好到那樣的一個水準加上他公司的營運也出現一些問題我們有觀察到其實也有很多人覺得這個騎這個電動車包含他電池的這個能效都沒有特別的好\n\n02:03.762 --> 02:29.891\n那當然啦也有其他這個光陽其實也很努力在爭取但是整個大家的使用習慣裡面應該從遊車換成電動車但是沒有大幅度的去移動轉換到那個地方的確是有這樣的一個現象發生好那最主要的原因是什麼你有去討論或者是跟你們這個各單位稍微討論一下嗎因為其實一方面就是說交換站那個\n\n02:31.672 --> 02:50.872\n不方便這個也是一個原因啦另外就是說電動機車其實也蠻貴的那這個交換站不容易然後再來就是月租那個電池的那個月租其實對一般的民眾來講我如果是每天只是單純\n\n02:52.853 --> 03:06.483\n我每個月還要付幾百塊其實他會覺得那我就買那個那個油車比較便宜嘛所以我不知道說部長您有沒有針對這部分就是說未來要怎麼去推動這個電動\n\n03:10.685 --> 03:29.449\n電動機車要怎麼去推動要不然我覺得說如果我們一直覺得說這個移動污染源比固定污染源還嚴重的話那如果這個電動機車或電動汽車一直變成說台灣的這種成效不是那麼好的話那你要怎麼讓這個移動污染源減少\n\n03:30.662 --> 03:50.070\n這個部分其實因為謝謝委員的建議我們會再來去思考一下因為這個是交通部他們的這個方案那我們過去在空污減量裡面的確我們的大氣師的空污基金也丟了很多錢下去也改善了非常的多但是事實上還是要回到市場機制能夠順利的來運行\n\n03:51.551 --> 04:13.456\n那很可惜的就是近期這個Gogoro他在出了一些事情之後似乎我們市場上一堆民眾有一些信心上的一個疑慮所以造成他的這個一直都沒有辦法往上走甚至他有一些經營的壓力存在這個我們都有觀察到那我們現在其實內部也在討論說第一個他的確有一些問題要去解決因為我們過去\n\n04:14.376 --> 04:38.609\n補助了他們非常的多那其實有一部分都是我們空污基金還有我們增量抵換專案我們給他們很大的一個協助那甚至未來的光陽它的一個發展甚至還有其實YAMAHA也有所以其實這個產業應該是有一個跨級到經濟部還有我們交通部還有我們三個部會謝謝委員的建議我再來找他們再來討論一下這個要怎麼去解決\n\n04:39.269 --> 04:47.317\n部長因為我們的這個補助原本我們就是老舊車輛太舊換新這個補助是延長到2026年12月那如果萬一好了明年你們開始就不補助了\n\n04:56.361 --> 04:59.746\n這個我覺得如果不補助那換成電動機車的這種狀況不是更慘嗎的確是有可能會這個樣子所以我覺得應該也要再去思考一下怎麼去讓這個狀況\n\n05:11.762 --> 05:33.433\n一方面要讓我們的空污這個移動污染源的空污能夠減少那如果說民眾到最後他還是買油車的話那當然我覺得這個移動污染源他還是會繼續存在嘛對對對所以這個我們再來討論因為目前就是環評的增量抵換專案這個部分的確是有一些補助也鼓勵大家去做這個更換啦\n\n05:34.073 --> 05:50.684\n但是這個也有一個期限所以也謝謝委員的建議我們再給我們一點點時間再找跨兩個部門再討論好那之前部長也有特別提到就是那個中小學校這個中小學的校區周邊空瓶的這個議題\n\n05:52.145 --> 06:05.903\n那其實很多就是上下學的時候家長可能就載小朋友那有的是代數上下學然後車輛可能就代數摩托車是代數那這樣子的話可能也造成學校周邊的這個空氣\n\n06:08.246 --> 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