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00:02:08,101\n希望當然是比照美加墨這個MCA它雙邊的關係來談起當然我們知道WTO它有一致性但是很多敏感的物品敏感的產品在談判的過程當中還是可以有互相之間院長請問一下現在你們有沒有評估有哪些東西可能會是零關稅\n\n6\n00:02:09,746 --> 00:02:24,111\n因為這個談判的準備工作一直在進行所以現在還不能確定有沒有預估啦談判的這個程序也一直在進行當中我們容許我們很多的這個談判內容是在談判桌上來做\n\n7\n00:02:25,256 --> 00:02:44,131\n所以這部分沒有任何的進一步的當然有很多的準備那內部有準備我們先把支持方案做好之後就是備妥談判的方案談判方案內容相當的豐富而完整現在就是放到談判桌上面去談請院長真的要以國內的利益為最佳優先也要好好照顧產業不要讓產業受到衝擊是\n\n8\n00:02:46,980 --> 00:03:13,399\n再來不知道院長有沒有看過最近新加坡的前總理李顯龍的一個談話一個演講不曉得院長有沒有注意到這個事情新加坡的前總理李顯龍說新加坡過去遇到危機的時候能夠成功度過其中有一個很重要的因素就是新加坡是全球經濟體系跟貿易體系的一部分那這同時也是WTO主要的功能\n\n9\n00:03:13,999 --> 00:03:37,986\n但是美國正在拆解這個WTO所架構出來的世界貿易體系但是他們說現在他們面對這個危機他們有一個很好的東西叫做CPTPP那CPTPP現在不管是英國加入也好現在CPTPP也在跟歐盟討論怎麼樣的合作所以我是想要問\n\n10\n00:03:39,056 --> 00:03:57,251\n那我們現在我們的政府有什麼面對像這些國家有這個CPTPP那我們CPTPP的進度到底是什麼有沒有辦法加入那我也看到你們經濟部有說你們因應策略之一就是要積極的加入這些組織包含CPTPP跟IPEF可是\n\n11\n00:03:58,292 --> 00:04:09,808\n總是覺得這個只是一個口號啊沒有成果啊這個講了很久那請教院長什麼時候可以給我們一個具體的承諾這個進度到哪裡我們可不可以順利加入可不可以給國人一個保證\n\n12\n00:04:11,013 --> 00:04:34,922\n每個國家因應這個國家不同階段的國家的危機跟情勢都有他解決的方式那因為我們國家在國際政治上面地位的這個特殊我們如果能夠多加入這種多邊的經濟組合對我們是好的所以CPTPP一直是我們在努力的方向院長所以具體的這個進程那奧克蘭原則三個原則他必須有高遵守\n\n13\n00:04:35,522 --> 00:04:57,712\n他必須要一致性他必須要能夠全體會員能夠共識院長我就想要代表產業界韓國人問我們能不能加入你現在準備的怎麼樣我們最難的就是所有會員的一致性因為當中一定有人有不同的意見所以要達成高度的共識這個是最難所以院長我們就很擔心我願意遵守我們的義務所以我們就很擔心啊\n\n14\n00:04:58,072 --> 00:05:21,966\n我就提到說因為我們看到新加坡李顯龍前總理講的這個他們有這個東西所以他們有加入CPTPP並且在擴大CPTPP跟全世界的貿易合作除了美國之外所以我們台灣有什麼這就是我們很擔心的地方那未來我們產業會不會因此不斷的外流沒有辦法幫產業打造一個更好的競爭力\n\n15\n00:05:23,735 --> 00:05:47,251\n所以要拜託院長啊這個真的不能再當口號了要拜託實際的作為剛剛你講的那些我們都知道也知道要去做問題就是沒有結果沒有成果不跟產業界的要求是說如果到國外去設廠全球佈局一定要以台灣為核心用台灣plus台灣加一的方式台灣要更有台灣不能做法這個人家有的這個他已經加入了這樣的組織並且在擴大合作的這個範圍全球合作的範圍\n\n16\n00:05:53,655 --> 00:06:14,316\n那我們總不能只是口號這樣喊一喊然後也要求他們說你只能夠在台灣所以就要請院長這部分真的要回去好好的去努力去推動要有成果不是口號院長下一個我國經濟命脈當然就分三個部分分別有貿易分別有投資對內投資再來是消費\n\n17\n00:06:15,477 --> 00:06:32,328\n貿易現在我們遇到很大的衝擊投資其實我也過去也好幾次質詢了我們經濟的部分2022年到2023年的統計外國到台灣投資是衰退的衰退的非常的多衰退的可能有十幾%20%左右這兩個現在都有狀況我們的消費要怎麼樣促進擴大內需\n\n18\n00:06:42,214 --> 00:07:10,711\n幫助我們島內的消費所以我這邊是希望是不是可以透過我們之前有說的在野黨在倡議的應該要透過這個普發的方式因為我們面臨到的是一個經濟衰退的狀況可是剛剛講到三大的經濟刺激的部分貿易有問題投資可能也有問題再來我們的消費是不是應該可以透過普發現金的方式也不是我們台灣首創我們是不是應該要透過這個方式來刺激我們的消費\n\n19\n00:07:12,588 --> 00:07:36,307\n普發現金在我國過去也用過我認為在一個比較成平的時代沒有因應國際很大的巨變的時候用普發現金也許是一個考量的方式但今天我們面對的是一個國際大的經貿情勢的改變我們必須用舉國的力量放在同一個比較可觀的數字上面去做國家的整體開發跟建設\n\n20\n00:07:38,308 --> 00:08:05,810\n對弱勢族群對產業做極大部分的原力的去協助這樣才能夠達到目的經濟面對的可能是衰退那我們也講了經濟的幾個三大因素所以我認為我要在這裡再誠懇的建議院長回去好好思考我覺得這是擴大內需擴大消費可以刺激我們經濟或者是減緩我們經濟衰退一個很有用也很直觀的方法而且也可以直接普惠到全民希望院長好好參考\n\n21\n00:08:07,264 --> 00:08:33,505\n再來院長這次的關稅對我們宣布32%雖然現在暫緩但對我們台中產業的衝擊非常的大也可以說是這一波關稅的重災區特別是台中的工具機產業不僅佔全台產值的七成對美國的出口也佔了全國的一半總產值高達18.9億美元\n\n22\n00:08:36,257 --> 00:08:56,571\n那如果未來不知道結果如何但是我想這個還是很大的衝擊就算是10%也是很大的衝擊所以一旦未來如果談到可能假設還是原本一樣20幾%30%的話對我們台灣製造的價格優勢也會完全的喪失未來也恐怕要轉移市場或是退出美國市場\n\n23\n00:08:57,745 --> 00:09:15,253\n那當然我這個部分因為我看了你們的報告比較沒有針對這個整個台中中部做出很細的這個統計但是我就請了台中市政府統計那受影響的除了工具機產業還包括了我們的手工具機這個自行車航太\n\n24\n00:09:15,973 --> 00:09:34,632\n金屬製品光電面板相關的產業那這些在台中總共有9663家企業總共24萬將近5000人的從業人員所以這些人在背後代表的都是要養家活口的中小企業和這些員工\n\n25\n00:09:35,558 --> 00:09:49,468\n那一段這個撐不下去可能影響的是這個大概數萬個家庭然後數十萬人所以請教院長依照現在行政院公布的辦法你們在產業的部分從881加到931夠嗎為什麼不應該是直接應該對產業應該要更多吧應該加到1930億吧\n\n26\n00:09:57,073 --> 00:10:22,408\n而且這一次在金融的支持方案裡面貿易融資利息的減碼措施其中申請資格有說要出口美國石雞叫雞鰭衰退15%但是我想要代表台中的廠商很多企業都在問這所謂雞鰭到底是什麼定義標準是什麼會不會讓他們看得到吃不到想要請教院長這個部分\n\n27\n00:10:23,636 --> 00:10:50,861\n我們不會對各個行業各個產業有疏忽總統跟我我總統到過台中我到過彰化跟剛剛委員所提的這些業者我們都有座談過我們了解他們的需求那我們現在編的930億其實我一直認為台電的1000億挹注那就是對產業的協助能夠讓物價穩定能夠降電費穩定另外您說的這個基期我們已經把它降到10%了不要15%\n\n28\n00:10:52,717 --> 00:11:00,122\n消退只要10%就可以了就就就在補助的範圍而且他的基期計算是去年同期同期或是去年的下半年\n\n29\n00:11:03,341 --> 00:11:25,616\n謝謝部長謝謝院長我覺得這個部分應該可以再往下談可以再給我們產業更好的優惠另外你剛剛說台電的部分我想那是另外一個議題我覺得不應該是在這4100億裡面去暗度成倉所有的業主都希望我們不要增加我想那個問題必須從能源政策去檢討不過今天我們在這裡先不展開我要跟著這個金融支持方面來問\n\n30\n00:11:27,552 --> 00:11:49,745\n我覺得你剛剛說有增加他們的支持但是我看不是啊院長因為對於出口廠商提供的這個貿易融資利息減碼你們行政院在4月4日的記者會上面宣布一般企業最高減收利息額度可達500萬那中小企業最高可達600萬喔好看一下我們下一頁簡報\n\n31\n00:11:53,832 --> 00:12:21,541\n這是原本的第一個是初始的方案有五百萬然後中小企業到六百萬可是你們4月24號的方案卻是雙降居然降到了一百萬跟一百二十萬所以我會說這不是正是我們企業需要的那個支持金融支持的時候嗎你把它降到這個一百萬跟一百二十萬怎麼跟原本的初始方案差這麼多我們把可以協助的廠商從五百家好像增加到一萬兩件家\n\n32\n00:12:22,341 --> 00:12:37,834\n把他的面拓廣了把他的金額降低了所以我剛就說了嘛你加碼的東西是不是沒有用到刀口上嘛你說你加了然後也降低了他的基金利息減免到五百萬這個上限是相當高的利息減免五百萬但是針對這些\n\n33\n00:12:39,375 --> 00:13:07,051\n重要出口到美國的這些公司啊你這一百萬一百二十萬不就是杯水車薪嗎你把面拉廣可是你並沒有在這裡的預算真的在增加嘛所以我講的根本的問題是不是應該把這部分預算提高那個錢是利息的錢不是他代管的錢當然我知道啊但是我就問嘛為什麼初始方案跟後面差了這麼多那你說支持企業所以我覺得這個部分啊我是不是要拜託院長啊\n\n34\n00:13:07,991 --> 00:13:31,842\n這是不是應該回去再修改再去調整甚至最根本的問題應該是把這個部分的經費拉高也是很多業界希望我們把照顧的面給他放廣你照顧面放廣可是你的水庫沒有增加你應該要把這個水庫增加一年減免500萬的利息這個是相當高的當初我們設計比較高後來我們把它降到100萬那這不就代表你們當初是設計師亂喊的囉不是\n\n35\n00:13:33,923 --> 00:13:48,961\n不是嘛所以我們當初說880億不夠那我們希望這個部分的預算這個水庫是不是可以加碼這4100億我們絕對同意但是應該用在真正的刀口上這也是一個我要提出的地方\n\n36\n00:13:50,102 --> 00:14:09,817\n應該對於這個產業你說120億本來五百萬六百萬用不夠想要變成是面面俱到產業都要我也很同意喔中小微企業都需要照顧可是那根本的部分是不是你提高的預算應該把它放在這裡那個報告委員我們不是只有在利息上面補貼它啦我們有其他的\n\n37\n00:14:10,677 --> 00:14:34,413\n這個方式來幫助這些企業受困的企業走出一條新的路所以我們從技能上面我們導入他AI教學第二個部長謝謝你那是中長期上面我們沒有沒有那是中長期本來就該做的事我們現在都是在部長你那是中長期本來就該做的事不要混為一談我們現在說他面對衝擊馬上面對到的問題就是這個部分\n\n38\n00:14:39,116 --> 00:15:08,340\n那你原本自己也提出了有五百萬六百萬的方案結果怎麼到後來又自己縮水了呢所以這是一件很奇怪的事你覺得沒辦法雨露均沾是不是最根本就是把這個預算提高不是這樣子喔報告委員我們現在那個部分是說因為他第二天以後我的訴求很簡單就是這個部分事實上現在沒有碰到那麼大的問題所以我們就是把這些本來短期九十天沒有豁免的時候所提出來的這個方案\n\n39\n00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:36,205\n又再做了一些調整你講的那些我都認同什麼AI導入產業轉型產業升級這本來就該做這也是中長期的方案我講的就是這個現在直接面臨到的這個金融的部分的支持那最後我就是要告訴我們的院長請你們回去拜託好好跟你們的總統跟賴總統講一下跟你們的黨主席講一下好好的顧民生好好的拼經濟好好的顧產業好不好不要一直\n\n40\n00:15:44,773 --> 00:15:55,170\n好谢谢廖尔伟乡委员的质询谢谢行政总院长还有经济部的备询谢谢接下来我们请严宽恒委员质询李燕秀文请准备\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16006\t19463\t謝謝主席 有請左院長歡迎左院長備選\n32401\t61473\t你好 院長院長 早 辛苦囉院長 我想要請問一下在這一次關稅的問題上面賴總統提到希望台灣能比照美墨加的協定來和美國談判那就是說從零關稅開始談但是我們也屬於WTO的會員國那其他還有其他重要的相關的進口國家譬如說東南亞國協 日本 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20%左右這兩個現在都有狀況我們的消費要怎麼樣促進擴大內需\n402214\t430711\t幫助我們島內的消費所以我這邊是希望是不是可以透過我們之前有說的在野黨在倡議的應該要透過這個普發的方式因為我們面臨到的是一個經濟衰退的狀況可是剛剛講到三大的經濟刺激的部分貿易有問題投資可能也有問題再來我們的消費是不是應該可以透過普發現金的方式也不是我們台灣首創我們是不是應該要透過這個方式來刺激我們的消費\n432588\t456307\t普發現金在我國過去也用過我認為在一個比較成平的時代沒有因應國際很大的巨變的時候用普發現金也許是一個考量的方式但今天我們面對的是一個國際大的經貿情勢的改變我們必須用舉國的力量放在同一個比較可觀的數字上面去做國家的整體開發跟建設\n458308\t485810\t對弱勢族群對產業做極大部分的原力的去協助這樣才能夠達到目的經濟面對的可能是衰退那我們也講了經濟的幾個三大因素所以我認為我要在這裡再誠懇的建議院長回去好好思考我覺得這是擴大內需擴大消費可以刺激我們經濟或者是減緩我們經濟衰退一個很有用也很直觀的方法而且也可以直接普惠到全民希望院長好好參考\n487264\t513505\t再來院長這次的關稅對我們宣布32%雖然現在暫緩但對我們台中產業的衝擊非常的大也可以說是這一波關稅的重災區特別是台中的工具機產業不僅佔全台產值的七成對美國的出口也佔了全國的一半總產值高達18.9億美元\n516257\t536571\t那如果未來不知道結果如何但是我想這個還是很大的衝擊就算是10%也是很大的衝擊所以一旦未來如果談到可能假設還是原本一樣20幾% 30%的話對我們台灣製造的價格優勢也會完全的喪失未來也恐怕要轉移市場或是退出美國市場\n537745\t555253\t那當然我這個部分因為我看了你們的報告比較沒有針對這個整個台中中部做出很細的這個統計但是我就請了台中市政府統計那受影響的除了工具機產業還包括了我們的手工具機這個自行車航太\n555973\t574632\t金屬製品光電面板相關的產業那這些在台中總共有9663家企業總共24萬將近5000人的從業人員所以這些人在背後代表的都是要養家活口的中小企業和這些員工\n575558\t589468\t那一段這個撐不下去可能影響的是這個大概數萬個家庭然後數十萬人所以請教院長依照現在行政院公布的辦法你們在產業的部分從881加到931夠嗎為什麼不應該是直接應該對產業應該要更多吧應該加到1930億吧\n597073\t622408\t而且這一次在金融的支持方案裡面貿易融資利息的減碼措施其中申請資格有說要出口美國石雞叫雞鰭衰退15%但是我想要代表台中的廠商很多企業都在問這所謂雞鰭到底是什麼定義標準是什麼會不會讓他們看得到吃不到想要請教院長這個部分\n623636\t650861\t我們不會對各個行業 各個產業有疏忽總統跟我 我總統到過台中我到過彰化跟剛剛委員所提的這些業者我們都有座談過我們了解他們的需求那我們現在編的930億其實我一直認為台電的1000億挹注那就是對產業的協助能夠讓物價穩定能夠降電費穩定另外您說的這個基期我們已經把它降到10%了不要15%\n652717\t660122\t消退只要10%就可以了就就就在補助的範圍而且他的基期計算是去年同期同期或是去年的下半年\n663341\t685616\t謝謝部長 謝謝院長我覺得這個部分應該可以再往下談可以再給我們產業更好的優惠另外你剛剛說台電的部分我想那是另外一個議題我覺得不應該是在這4100億裡面去暗度成倉所有的業主都希望我們不要增加我想那個問題必須從能源政策去檢討不過今天我們在這裡先不展開我要跟著這個金融支持方面來問\n687552\t709745\t我覺得你剛剛說有增加他們的支持但是我看不是啊院長因為對於出口廠商提供的這個貿易融資利息減碼你們行政院在4月4日的記者會上面宣布一般企業最高減收利息額度可達500萬那中小企業最高可達600萬喔好 看一下我們下一頁簡報\n713832\t741541\t這是原本的第一個是初始的方案有五百萬然後中小企業到六百萬可是你們4月24號的方案卻是雙降居然降到了一百萬跟一百二十萬所以我會說這不是正是我們企業需要的那個支持金融支持的時候嗎你把它降到這個一百萬跟一百二十萬怎麼跟原本的初始方案差這麼多我們把可以協助的廠商從五百家好像增加到一萬兩件家\n742341\t757834\t把他的面拓廣了把他的金額降低了所以我剛就說了嘛你加碼的東西是不是沒有用到刀口上嘛你說你加了然後也降低了他的基金利息減免到五百萬這個上限是相當高的利息減免五百萬但是針對這些\n759375\t787051\t重要出口到美國的這些公司啊你這一百萬一百二十萬不就是杯水車薪嗎你把面拉廣可是你並沒有在這裡的預算真的在增加嘛所以我講的根本的問題是不是應該把這部分預算提高那個錢是利息的錢不是他代管的錢當然我知道啊但是我就問嘛為什麼初始方案跟後面差了這麼多那你說支持企業所以我覺得這個部分啊我是不是要拜託院長啊\n787991\t811842\t這是不是應該回去再修改再去調整甚至最根本的問題應該是把這個部分的經費拉高也是很多業界希望我們把照顧的面給他放廣你照顧面放廣可是你的水庫沒有增加你應該要把這個水庫增加一年減免500萬的利息這個是相當高的當初我們設計比較高後來我們把它降到100萬那這不就代表你們當初是設計師亂喊的囉不是\n813923\t828961\t不是嘛 所以我們當初說880億不夠那我們希望這個部分的預算這個水庫是不是可以加碼這4100億我們絕對同意但是應該用在真正的刀口上這也是一個我要提出的地方\n830102\t849817\t應該對於這個產業你說120億本來五百萬六百萬用不夠想要變成是面面俱到產業都要 我也很同意喔中小微企業都需要照顧可是那根本的部分是不是你提高的預算應該把它放在這裡那個 報告委員我們不是只有在利息上面補貼它啦我們有其他的\n850677\t874413\t這個方式來幫助這些企業受困的企業走出一條新的路所以我們從技能上面我們導入他AI教學第二個部長謝謝你那是中長期上面我們沒有沒有那是中長期本來就該做的事我們現在都是在部長你那是中長期本來就該做的事不要混為一談我們現在說他面對衝擊馬上面對到的問題就是這個部分\n879116\t908340\t那你原本自己也提出了有五百萬 六百萬的方案結果怎麼到後來又自己縮水了呢所以這是一件很奇怪的事你覺得沒辦法雨露均沾是不是最根本就是把這個預算提高不是這樣子喔 報告委員我們現在那個部分是說因為他第二天以後我的訴求很簡單 就是這個部分事實上現在沒有碰到那麼大的問題所以我們就是把這些本來短期九十天沒有豁免的時候所提出來的這個方案\n908880\t936205\t又再做了一些調整你講的那些我都認同什麼AI導入產業轉型產業升級這本來就該做這也是中長期的方案我講的就是這個現在直接面臨到的這個金融的部分的支持那最後我就是要告訴我們的院長請你們回去拜託好好跟你們的總統跟賴總統講一下跟你們的黨主席講一下好好的顧民生好好的拼經濟好好的顧產業好不好不要一直\n944773\t955170\t好谢谢廖尔伟乡委员的质询谢谢行政总院长还有经济部的备询谢谢接下来我们请严宽恒委员质询李燕秀文请准备\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請左院長歡迎左院長備選\n你好 院長院長 早 辛苦囉院長 我想要請問一下在這一次關稅的問題上面賴總統提到希望台灣能比照美墨加的協定來和美國談判那就是說從零關稅開始談但是我們也屬於WTO的會員國那其他還有其他重要的相關的進口國家譬如說東南亞國協 日本 韓國也都是WTO的會員國之一\n所以院長您知道這個背後代表的意義是什麼嗎如果真的如賴總統所說我們國跟美國譬如說用零關稅開始談起那任何的產品如果是零關稅的話是不是代表其他的會員國也都可以來要求比照辦理所以我想要問說這個目前為止這個是真的行政部門深思熟慮後的一個談判的策略嗎\n呃或者是難道是突然一時興起賴總統個人的想法是是這樣嗎院長是謝謝委員的關心從零關稅談起這是我們在談判開始的一個態度\n希望當然是比照美加墨這個MCA它雙邊的關係來談起當然我們知道WTO它有一致性但是很多敏感的物品敏感的產品在談判的過程當中還是可以有互相之間院長請問一下現在你們有沒有評估有哪些東西可能會是零關稅\n因為這個談判的準備工作一直在進行所以現在還不能確定有沒有預估啦談判的這個程序也一直在進行當中我們容許我們很多的這個談判內容是在談判桌上來做\n所以這部分沒有任何的進一步的當然有很多的準備那內部有準備我們先把支持方案做好之後就是備妥談判的方案談判方案內容相當的豐富而完整現在就是放到談判桌上面去談請院長真的要以國內的利益為最佳優先也要好好照顧產業不要讓產業受到衝擊是\n再來不知道院長有沒有看過最近新加坡的前總理李顯龍的一個談話一個演講不曉得院長有沒有注意到這個事情新加坡的前總理李顯龍說新加坡過去遇到危機的時候能夠成功度過其中有一個很重要的因素就是新加坡是全球經濟體系跟貿易體系的一部分那這同時也是WTO主要的功能\n但是美國正在拆解這個WTO所架構出來的世界貿易體系但是他們說現在他們面對這個危機他們有一個很好的東西叫做CPTPP那CPTPP現在不管是英國加入也好現在CPTPP也在跟歐盟討論怎麼樣的合作所以我是想要問\n那我們現在我們的政府有什麼面對像這些國家有這個CPTPP那我們CPTPP的進度到底是什麼有沒有辦法加入那我也看到你們經濟部有說你們因應策略之一就是要積極的加入這些組織包含CPTPP跟IPEF可是\n總是覺得這個只是一個口號啊沒有成果啊這個講了很久那請教院長什麼時候可以給我們一個具體的承諾這個進度到哪裡我們可不可以順利加入可不可以給國人一個保證\n每個國家因應這個國家不同階段的國家的危機跟情勢都有他解決的方式那因為我們國家在國際政治上面地位的這個特殊我們如果能夠多加入這種多邊的經濟組合對我們是好的所以CPTPP一直是我們在努力的方向院長所以具體的這個進程那奧克蘭原則三個原則他必須有高遵守\n他必須要一致性他必須要能夠全體會員能夠共識院長我就想要代表產業界韓國人問我們能不能加入你現在準備的怎麼樣我們最難的就是所有會員的一致性因為當中一定有人有不同的意見所以要達成高度的共識這個是最難所以院長我們就很擔心我願意遵守我們的義務所以我們就很擔心啊\n我就提到說因為我們看到新加坡李顯龍前總理講的這個他們有這個東西所以他們有加入CPTPP並且在擴大CPTPP跟全世界的貿易合作除了美國之外所以我們台灣有什麼這就是我們很擔心的地方那未來我們產業會不會因此不斷的外流沒有辦法幫產業打造一個更好的競爭力\n所以要拜託院長啊這個真的不能再當口號了要拜託實際的作為剛剛你講的那些我們都知道也知道要去做問題就是沒有結果沒有成果不跟產業界的要求是說如果到國外去設廠全球佈局一定要以台灣為核心用台灣plus台灣加一的方式台灣要更有台灣不能做法這個人家有的這個他已經加入了這樣的組織並且在擴大合作的這個範圍全球合作的範圍\n那我們總不能只是口號這樣喊一喊然後也要求他們說你只能夠在台灣所以就要請院長這部分真的要回去好好的去努力去推動要有成果不是口號院長下一個我國經濟命脈當然就分三個部分分別有貿易分別有投資對內投資再來是消費\n貿易現在我們遇到很大的衝擊投資其實我也過去也好幾次質詢了我們經濟的部分2022年到2023年的統計外國到台灣投資是衰退的衰退的非常的多衰退的可能有十幾% 20%左右這兩個現在都有狀況我們的消費要怎麼樣促進擴大內需\n幫助我們島內的消費所以我這邊是希望是不是可以透過我們之前有說的在野黨在倡議的應該要透過這個普發的方式因為我們面臨到的是一個經濟衰退的狀況可是剛剛講到三大的經濟刺激的部分貿易有問題投資可能也有問題再來我們的消費是不是應該可以透過普發現金的方式也不是我們台灣首創我們是不是應該要透過這個方式來刺激我們的消費\n普發現金在我國過去也用過我認為在一個比較成平的時代沒有因應國際很大的巨變的時候用普發現金也許是一個考量的方式但今天我們面對的是一個國際大的經貿情勢的改變我們必須用舉國的力量放在同一個比較可觀的數字上面去做國家的整體開發跟建設\n對弱勢族群對產業做極大部分的原力的去協助這樣才能夠達到目的經濟面對的可能是衰退那我們也講了經濟的幾個三大因素所以我認為我要在這裡再誠懇的建議院長回去好好思考我覺得這是擴大內需擴大消費可以刺激我們經濟或者是減緩我們經濟衰退一個很有用也很直觀的方法而且也可以直接普惠到全民希望院長好好參考\n再來院長這次的關稅對我們宣布32%雖然現在暫緩但對我們台中產業的衝擊非常的大也可以說是這一波關稅的重災區特別是台中的工具機產業不僅佔全台產值的七成對美國的出口也佔了全國的一半總產值高達18.9億美元\n那如果未來不知道結果如何但是我想這個還是很大的衝擊就算是10%也是很大的衝擊所以一旦未來如果談到可能假設還是原本一樣20幾% 30%的話對我們台灣製造的價格優勢也會完全的喪失未來也恐怕要轉移市場或是退出美國市場\n那當然我這個部分因為我看了你們的報告比較沒有針對這個整個台中中部做出很細的這個統計但是我就請了台中市政府統計那受影響的除了工具機產業還包括了我們的手工具機這個自行車航太\n金屬製品光電面板相關的產業那這些在台中總共有9663家企業總共24萬將近5000人的從業人員所以這些人在背後代表的都是要養家活口的中小企業和這些員工\n那一段這個撐不下去可能影響的是這個大概數萬個家庭然後數十萬人所以請教院長依照現在行政院公布的辦法你們在產業的部分從881加到931夠嗎為什麼不應該是直接應該對產業應該要更多吧應該加到1930億吧\n而且這一次在金融的支持方案裡面貿易融資利息的減碼措施其中申請資格有說要出口美國石雞叫雞鰭衰退15%但是我想要代表台中的廠商很多企業都在問這所謂雞鰭到底是什麼定義標準是什麼會不會讓他們看得到吃不到想要請教院長這個部分\n我們不會對各個行業 各個產業有疏忽總統跟我 我總統到過台中我到過彰化跟剛剛委員所提的這些業者我們都有座談過我們了解他們的需求那我們現在編的930億其實我一直認為台電的1000億挹注那就是對產業的協助能夠讓物價穩定能夠降電費穩定另外您說的這個基期我們已經把它降到10%了不要15%\n消退只要10%就可以了就就就在補助的範圍而且他的基期計算是去年同期同期或是去年的下半年\n謝謝部長 謝謝院長我覺得這個部分應該可以再往下談可以再給我們產業更好的優惠另外你剛剛說台電的部分我想那是另外一個議題我覺得不應該是在這4100億裡面去暗度成倉所有的業主都希望我們不要增加我想那個問題必須從能源政策去檢討不過今天我們在這裡先不展開我要跟著這個金融支持方面來問\n我覺得你剛剛說有增加他們的支持但是我看不是啊院長因為對於出口廠商提供的這個貿易融資利息減碼你們行政院在4月4日的記者會上面宣布一般企業最高減收利息額度可達500萬那中小企業最高可達600萬喔好 看一下我們下一頁簡報\n這是原本的第一個是初始的方案有五百萬然後中小企業到六百萬可是你們4月24號的方案卻是雙降居然降到了一百萬跟一百二十萬所以我會說這不是正是我們企業需要的那個支持金融支持的時候嗎你把它降到這個一百萬跟一百二十萬怎麼跟原本的初始方案差這麼多我們把可以協助的廠商從五百家好像增加到一萬兩件家\n把他的面拓廣了把他的金額降低了所以我剛就說了嘛你加碼的東西是不是沒有用到刀口上嘛你說你加了然後也降低了他的基金利息減免到五百萬這個上限是相當高的利息減免五百萬但是針對這些\n重要出口到美國的這些公司啊你這一百萬一百二十萬不就是杯水車薪嗎你把面拉廣可是你並沒有在這裡的預算真的在增加嘛所以我講的根本的問題是不是應該把這部分預算提高那個錢是利息的錢不是他代管的錢當然我知道啊但是我就問嘛為什麼初始方案跟後面差了這麼多那你說支持企業所以我覺得這個部分啊我是不是要拜託院長啊\n這是不是應該回去再修改再去調整甚至最根本的問題應該是把這個部分的經費拉高也是很多業界希望我們把照顧的面給他放廣你照顧面放廣可是你的水庫沒有增加你應該要把這個水庫增加一年減免500萬的利息這個是相當高的當初我們設計比較高後來我們把它降到100萬那這不就代表你們當初是設計師亂喊的囉不是\n不是嘛 所以我們當初說880億不夠那我們希望這個部分的預算這個水庫是不是可以加碼這4100億我們絕對同意但是應該用在真正的刀口上這也是一個我要提出的地方\n應該對於這個產業你說120億本來五百萬六百萬用不夠想要變成是面面俱到產業都要 我也很同意喔中小微企業都需要照顧可是那根本的部分是不是你提高的預算應該把它放在這裡那個 報告委員我們不是只有在利息上面補貼它啦我們有其他的\n這個方式來幫助這些企業受困的企業走出一條新的路所以我們從技能上面我們導入他AI教學第二個部長謝謝你那是中長期上面我們沒有沒有那是中長期本來就該做的事我們現在都是在部長你那是中長期本來就該做的事不要混為一談我們現在說他面對衝擊馬上面對到的問題就是這個部分\n那你原本自己也提出了有五百萬 六百萬的方案結果怎麼到後來又自己縮水了呢所以這是一件很奇怪的事你覺得沒辦法雨露均沾是不是最根本就是把這個預算提高不是這樣子喔 報告委員我們現在那個部分是說因為他第二天以後我的訴求很簡單 就是這個部分事實上現在沒有碰到那麼大的問題所以我們就是把這些本來短期九十天沒有豁免的時候所提出來的這個方案\n又再做了一些調整你講的那些我都認同什麼AI導入產業轉型產業升級這本來就該做這也是中長期的方案我講的就是這個現在直接面臨到的這個金融的部分的支持那最後我就是要告訴我們的院長請你們回去拜託好好跟你們的總統跟賴總統講一下跟你們的黨主席講一下好好的顧民生好好的拼經濟好好的顧產業好不好不要一直\n好谢谢廖尔伟乡委员的质询谢谢行政总院长还有经济部的备询谢谢接下来我们请严宽恒委员质询李燕秀文请准备\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.006 --> 00:19.463\n謝謝主席有請左院長歡迎左院長備選\n\n00:32.401 --> 01:01.473\n你好院長院長早辛苦囉院長我想要請問一下在這一次關稅的問題上面賴總統提到希望台灣能比照美墨加的協定來和美國談判那就是說從零關稅開始談但是我們也屬於WTO的會員國那其他還有其他重要的相關的進口國家譬如說東南亞國協日本韓國也都是WTO的會員國之一\n\n01:02.352 --> 01:29.064\n所以院長您知道這個背後代表的意義是什麼嗎如果真的如賴總統所說我們國跟美國譬如說用零關稅開始談起那任何的產品如果是零關稅的話是不是代表其他的會員國也都可以來要求比照辦理所以我想要問說這個目前為止這個是真的行政部門深思熟慮後的一個談判的策略嗎\n\n01:30.323 --> 01:43.452\n呃或者是難道是突然一時興起賴總統個人的想法是是這樣嗎院長是謝謝委員的關心從零關稅談起這是我們在談判開始的一個態度\n\n01:44.141 --> 02:08.101\n希望當然是比照美加墨這個MCA它雙邊的關係來談起當然我們知道WTO它有一致性但是很多敏感的物品敏感的產品在談判的過程當中還是可以有互相之間院長請問一下現在你們有沒有評估有哪些東西可能會是零關稅\n\n02:09.746 --> 02:24.111\n因為這個談判的準備工作一直在進行所以現在還不能確定有沒有預估啦談判的這個程序也一直在進行當中我們容許我們很多的這個談判內容是在談判桌上來做\n\n02:25.256 --> 02:44.131\n所以這部分沒有任何的進一步的當然有很多的準備那內部有準備我們先把支持方案做好之後就是備妥談判的方案談判方案內容相當的豐富而完整現在就是放到談判桌上面去談請院長真的要以國內的利益為最佳優先也要好好照顧產業不要讓產業受到衝擊是\n\n02:46.980 --> 03:13.399\n再來不知道院長有沒有看過最近新加坡的前總理李顯龍的一個談話一個演講不曉得院長有沒有注意到這個事情新加坡的前總理李顯龍說新加坡過去遇到危機的時候能夠成功度過其中有一個很重要的因素就是新加坡是全球經濟體系跟貿易體系的一部分那這同時也是WTO主要的功能\n\n03:13.999 --> 03:37.986\n但是美國正在拆解這個WTO所架構出來的世界貿易體系但是他們說現在他們面對這個危機他們有一個很好的東西叫做CPTPP那CPTPP現在不管是英國加入也好現在CPTPP也在跟歐盟討論怎麼樣的合作所以我是想要問\n\n03:39.056 --> 03:57.251\n那我們現在我們的政府有什麼面對像這些國家有這個CPTPP那我們CPTPP的進度到底是什麼有沒有辦法加入那我也看到你們經濟部有說你們因應策略之一就是要積極的加入這些組織包含CPTPP跟IPEF可是\n\n03:58.292 --> 04:09.808\n總是覺得這個只是一個口號啊沒有成果啊這個講了很久那請教院長什麼時候可以給我們一個具體的承諾這個進度到哪裡我們可不可以順利加入可不可以給國人一個保證\n\n04:11.013 --> 04:34.922\n每個國家因應這個國家不同階段的國家的危機跟情勢都有他解決的方式那因為我們國家在國際政治上面地位的這個特殊我們如果能夠多加入這種多邊的經濟組合對我們是好的所以CPTPP一直是我們在努力的方向院長所以具體的這個進程那奧克蘭原則三個原則他必須有高遵守\n\n04:35.522 --> 04:57.712\n他必須要一致性他必須要能夠全體會員能夠共識院長我就想要代表產業界韓國人問我們能不能加入你現在準備的怎麼樣我們最難的就是所有會員的一致性因為當中一定有人有不同的意見所以要達成高度的共識這個是最難所以院長我們就很擔心我願意遵守我們的義務所以我們就很擔心啊\n\n04:58.072 --> 05:21.966\n我就提到說因為我們看到新加坡李顯龍前總理講的這個他們有這個東西所以他們有加入CPTPP並且在擴大CPTPP跟全世界的貿易合作除了美國之外所以我們台灣有什麼這就是我們很擔心的地方那未來我們產業會不會因此不斷的外流沒有辦法幫產業打造一個更好的競爭力\n\n05:23.735 --> 05:47.251\n所以要拜託院長啊這個真的不能再當口號了要拜託實際的作為剛剛你講的那些我們都知道也知道要去做問題就是沒有結果沒有成果不跟產業界的要求是說如果到國外去設廠全球佈局一定要以台灣為核心用台灣plus台灣加一的方式台灣要更有台灣不能做法這個人家有的這個他已經加入了這樣的組織並且在擴大合作的這個範圍全球合作的範圍\n\n05:53.655 --> 06:14.316\n那我們總不能只是口號這樣喊一喊然後也要求他們說你只能夠在台灣所以就要請院長這部分真的要回去好好的去努力去推動要有成果不是口號院長下一個我國經濟命脈當然就分三個部分分別有貿易分別有投資對內投資再來是消費\n\n06:15.477 --> 06:32.328\n貿易現在我們遇到很大的衝擊投資其實我也過去也好幾次質詢了我們經濟的部分2022年到2023年的統計外國到台灣投資是衰退的衰退的非常的多衰退的可能有十幾%20%左右這兩個現在都有狀況我們的消費要怎麼樣促進擴大內需\n\n06:42.214 --> 07:10.711\n幫助我們島內的消費所以我這邊是希望是不是可以透過我們之前有說的在野黨在倡議的應該要透過這個普發的方式因為我們面臨到的是一個經濟衰退的狀況可是剛剛講到三大的經濟刺激的部分貿易有問題投資可能也有問題再來我們的消費是不是應該可以透過普發現金的方式也不是我們台灣首創我們是不是應該要透過這個方式來刺激我們的消費\n\n07:12.588 --> 07:36.307\n普發現金在我國過去也用過我認為在一個比較成平的時代沒有因應國際很大的巨變的時候用普發現金也許是一個考量的方式但今天我們面對的是一個國際大的經貿情勢的改變我們必須用舉國的力量放在同一個比較可觀的數字上面去做國家的整體開發跟建設\n\n07:38.308 --> 08:05.810\n對弱勢族群對產業做極大部分的原力的去協助這樣才能夠達到目的經濟面對的可能是衰退那我們也講了經濟的幾個三大因素所以我認為我要在這裡再誠懇的建議院長回去好好思考我覺得這是擴大內需擴大消費可以刺激我們經濟或者是減緩我們經濟衰退一個很有用也很直觀的方法而且也可以直接普惠到全民希望院長好好參考\n\n08:07.264 --> 08:33.505\n再來院長這次的關稅對我們宣布32%雖然現在暫緩但對我們台中產業的衝擊非常的大也可以說是這一波關稅的重災區特別是台中的工具機產業不僅佔全台產值的七成對美國的出口也佔了全國的一半總產值高達18.9億美元\n\n08:36.257 --> 08:56.571\n那如果未來不知道結果如何但是我想這個還是很大的衝擊就算是10%也是很大的衝擊所以一旦未來如果談到可能假設還是原本一樣20幾%30%的話對我們台灣製造的價格優勢也會完全的喪失未來也恐怕要轉移市場或是退出美國市場\n\n08:57.745 --> 09:15.253\n那當然我這個部分因為我看了你們的報告比較沒有針對這個整個台中中部做出很細的這個統計但是我就請了台中市政府統計那受影響的除了工具機產業還包括了我們的手工具機這個自行車航太\n\n09:15.973 --> 09:34.632\n金屬製品光電面板相關的產業那這些在台中總共有9663家企業總共24萬將近5000人的從業人員所以這些人在背後代表的都是要養家活口的中小企業和這些員工\n\n09:35.558 --> 09:49.468\n那一段這個撐不下去可能影響的是這個大概數萬個家庭然後數十萬人所以請教院長依照現在行政院公布的辦法你們在產業的部分從881加到931夠嗎為什麼不應該是直接應該對產業應該要更多吧應該加到1930億吧\n\n09:57.073 --> 10:22.408\n而且這一次在金融的支持方案裡面貿易融資利息的減碼措施其中申請資格有說要出口美國石雞叫雞鰭衰退15%但是我想要代表台中的廠商很多企業都在問這所謂雞鰭到底是什麼定義標準是什麼會不會讓他們看得到吃不到想要請教院長這個部分\n\n10:23.636 --> 10:50.861\n我們不會對各個行業各個產業有疏忽總統跟我我總統到過台中我到過彰化跟剛剛委員所提的這些業者我們都有座談過我們了解他們的需求那我們現在編的930億其實我一直認為台電的1000億挹注那就是對產業的協助能夠讓物價穩定能夠降電費穩定另外您說的這個基期我們已經把它降到10%了不要15%\n\n10:52.717 --> 11:00.122\n消退只要10%就可以了就就就在補助的範圍而且他的基期計算是去年同期同期或是去年的下半年\n\n11:03.341 --> 11:25.616\n謝謝部長謝謝院長我覺得這個部分應該可以再往下談可以再給我們產業更好的優惠另外你剛剛說台電的部分我想那是另外一個議題我覺得不應該是在這4100億裡面去暗度成倉所有的業主都希望我們不要增加我想那個問題必須從能源政策去檢討不過今天我們在這裡先不展開我要跟著這個金融支持方面來問\n\n11:27.552 --> 11:49.745\n我覺得你剛剛說有增加他們的支持但是我看不是啊院長因為對於出口廠商提供的這個貿易融資利息減碼你們行政院在4月4日的記者會上面宣布一般企業最高減收利息額度可達500萬那中小企業最高可達600萬喔好看一下我們下一頁簡報\n\n11:53.832 --> 12:21.541\n這是原本的第一個是初始的方案有五百萬然後中小企業到六百萬可是你們4月24號的方案卻是雙降居然降到了一百萬跟一百二十萬所以我會說這不是正是我們企業需要的那個支持金融支持的時候嗎你把它降到這個一百萬跟一百二十萬怎麼跟原本的初始方案差這麼多我們把可以協助的廠商從五百家好像增加到一萬兩件家\n\n12:22.341 --> 12:37.834\n把他的面拓廣了把他的金額降低了所以我剛就說了嘛你加碼的東西是不是沒有用到刀口上嘛你說你加了然後也降低了他的基金利息減免到五百萬這個上限是相當高的利息減免五百萬但是針對這些\n\n12:39.375 --> 13:07.051\n重要出口到美國的這些公司啊你這一百萬一百二十萬不就是杯水車薪嗎你把面拉廣可是你並沒有在這裡的預算真的在增加嘛所以我講的根本的問題是不是應該把這部分預算提高那個錢是利息的錢不是他代管的錢當然我知道啊但是我就問嘛為什麼初始方案跟後面差了這麼多那你說支持企業所以我覺得這個部分啊我是不是要拜託院長啊\n\n13:07.991 --> 13:31.842\n這是不是應該回去再修改再去調整甚至最根本的問題應該是把這個部分的經費拉高也是很多業界希望我們把照顧的面給他放廣你照顧面放廣可是你的水庫沒有增加你應該要把這個水庫增加一年減免500萬的利息這個是相當高的當初我們設計比較高後來我們把它降到100萬那這不就代表你們當初是設計師亂喊的囉不是\n\n13:33.923 --> 13:48.961\n不是嘛所以我們當初說880億不夠那我們希望這個部分的預算這個水庫是不是可以加碼這4100億我們絕對同意但是應該用在真正的刀口上這也是一個我要提出的地方\n\n13:50.102 --> 14:09.817\n應該對於這個產業你說120億本來五百萬六百萬用不夠想要變成是面面俱到產業都要我也很同意喔中小微企業都需要照顧可是那根本的部分是不是你提高的預算應該把它放在這裡那個報告委員我們不是只有在利息上面補貼它啦我們有其他的\n\n14:10.677 --> 14:34.413\n這個方式來幫助這些企業受困的企業走出一條新的路所以我們從技能上面我們導入他AI教學第二個部長謝謝你那是中長期上面我們沒有沒有那是中長期本來就該做的事我們現在都是在部長你那是中長期本來就該做的事不要混為一談我們現在說他面對衝擊馬上面對到的問題就是這個部分\n\n14:39.116 --> 15:08.340\n那你原本自己也提出了有五百萬六百萬的方案結果怎麼到後來又自己縮水了呢所以這是一件很奇怪的事你覺得沒辦法雨露均沾是不是最根本就是把這個預算提高不是這樣子喔報告委員我們現在那個部分是說因為他第二天以後我的訴求很簡單就是這個部分事實上現在沒有碰到那麼大的問題所以我們就是把這些本來短期九十天沒有豁免的時候所提出來的這個方案\n\n15:08.880 --> 15:36.205\n又再做了一些調整你講的那些我都認同什麼AI導入產業轉型產業升級這本來就該做這也是中長期的方案我講的就是這個現在直接面臨到的這個金融的部分的支持那最後我就是要告訴我們的院長請你們回去拜託好好跟你們的總統跟賴總統講一下跟你們的黨主席講一下好好的顧民生好好的拼經濟好好的顧產業好不好不要一直\n\n15:44.773 --> 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就是這個部分事實上現在沒有碰到那麼大的問題所以我們就是把這些本來短期九十天沒有豁免的時候所提出來的這個方案"},{"start":908.88,"end":936.205,"text":"又再做了一些調整你講的那些我都認同什麼AI導入產業轉型產業升級這本來就該做這也是中長期的方案我講的就是這個現在直接面臨到的這個金融的部分的支持那最後我就是要告訴我們的院長請你們回去拜託好好跟你們的總統跟賴總統講一下跟你們的黨主席講一下好好的顧民生好好的拼經濟好好的顧產業好不好不要一直"},{"start":944.773,"end":955.17,"text":"好谢谢廖尔伟乡委员的质询谢谢行政总院长还有经济部的备询谢谢接下来我们请严宽恒委员质询李燕秀文请准备"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":23,"blocks":[["廖委員偉翔：（9時1分）謝謝主席，有請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：廖委員早。"],["廖委員偉翔：院長早，辛苦了。院長，我想要請問一下，在這一次關稅的問題上面，賴總統提到希望臺灣能比照美墨加協定來和美國談判，就是說從零關稅開始談，但是我們也屬於WTO的會員國，還有其他重要的相關進口國家，譬如說東南亞國協、日本、韓國也都是WTO的會員國之一。所以院長，您知道這背後代表的意義是什麼嗎？如果真的如賴總統所說，我國跟美國譬如說用零關稅開始談起，那任何的產品如果是零關稅的話，是不是代表其他的會員國也都可以來要求比照辦理？所以我想要問，目前為止，這真的是行政部門深思熟慮後的一個談判策略嗎？或者難道是突然一時興起，賴總統個人的想法，是這樣嗎？院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的關心。從零關稅談起，這是我們在談判開始的一個態度，當然希望是比照美、加、墨的USMCA，以雙邊的關係來談起。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以院長……"],["卓院長榮泰：當然我們知道WTO有其一致性，但是很多敏感的物品、敏感的產品，在談判的過程當中還是可以有互相之間……"],["廖委員偉翔：院長，請問一下，現在你們有沒有評估有哪些東西可能會是零關稅？"],["卓院長榮泰：因為談判的準備工作一直在進行……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以現在還不能確定？有沒有預估？"],["卓院長榮泰：談判的程序也一直在進行當中，請容許我們很多的談判內容是在談判桌上來做。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以這個部分沒有任何進一步的……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們當然有很多的準備。"],["廖委員偉翔：內部有準備？"],["卓院長榮泰：我是說我們先把支持方案做好，之後就是備妥談判的方案，談判方案的內容相當豐富而完整，現在就是放到談判桌上面去談。"],["廖委員偉翔：請院長真的要以國內的利益為最佳優先。"],["卓院長榮泰：當然、當然！"],["廖委員偉翔：也要好好照顧產業，不要讓產業受到衝擊。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["廖委員偉翔：再來，不知道院長有沒有看過最近新加坡前總理李顯龍的一個談話、演講？不曉得院長有沒有注意到這個事情？新加坡前總理李顯龍說，新加坡過去遇到危機的時候能夠成功渡過，其中有一個很重要的因素，就是新加坡是全球經濟體系跟貿易體系的一部分，這同時也是WTO的主要功能，但是美國正在拆解WTO所架構出來的世界貿易體系，但是他們說，現在面對這個危機，他們有一個很好的東西叫做CPTPP，現在不管是英國加入CPTPP也好，現在CPTPP也在跟歐盟討論怎麼樣合作，所以我想要問，現在我們的政府有什麼……面對這些國家有CPTPP，那我們CPTPP的進度到底是什麼？有沒有辦法加入？我也看到經濟部有說你們的因應策略之一，就是要積極地加入這些組織，包含CPTPP跟IPEF，可是總是覺得這個只是一個口號、沒有成果，這個講了很久，請教院長，什麼時候可以給我們一個具體的承諾？這個進度到哪裡？我們可不可以順利加入？可不可以給國人一個保證？"],["卓院長榮泰：每個國家因應不同階段的國家危機跟情勢，都有他解決的方式，因為我們國家在國際政治上面地位的特殊，我們如果能夠多加入這種多邊的經濟組合，對我們是好的，所以CPTPP一直是我們在努力的方向。"],["廖委員偉翔：院長，所以具體的進程……"],["卓院長榮泰：奧克蘭三原則必須有高遵守，它必須有一致性，它必須全體會員能夠共識──這是最難的！"],["廖委員偉翔：院長，我就想要代表產業界和國人問，我們能不能加入？你現在準備得怎麼樣？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們最難的就是所有會員的一致性，因為當中一定有人有不同的意見，所以要達成高度共識這個是最難。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以，院長，我們就很擔心……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們願意遵守我們的義務，我們也願意……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以我們就很擔心，我就提到因為我們看到新加坡李顯龍前總理講，他們有這個東西，他們加入CPTPP，並且在擴大CPTPP跟全世界的貿易合作，除了美國之外，所以我們臺灣有什麼？這就是我們很擔心的地方！未來我們的產業會不會因此不斷的外流，沒有辦法幫產業打造一個更好的競爭力？所以要拜託院長，這個真的不能再當口號，拜託要有實際的作為。","剛剛你講的那些我們都知道，也知道要去做，問題就是沒有結果、沒有成果！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們跟產業界的要求是，如果到國外去設廠，全球布局，一定要以臺灣為核心，用臺灣Plus、臺灣加一的方式，要根留臺灣。"],["廖委員偉翔：院長，這就是口號嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：不是口號。"],["廖委員偉翔：人家已經加入這樣的組織，並且在擴大全球合作的範圍，我們總不能只是口號這樣喊一喊，然後也要求他們只能夠在臺灣，所以要請院長在這個部分真的要回去好好的去努力、去推動，要有成果，不是口號！"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["廖委員偉翔：院長，我國經濟命脈當然就分三個部分，分別有貿易、投資──對內投資，再來是消費。貿易的部分，現在我們遇到很大的衝擊。那投資呢？其實我過去也好幾次質詢了我們經濟的部分，2022年到2023年的統計，外國到臺灣投資是衰退，衰退得非常多，衰退了可能有百分之十幾、二十左右，這兩個現在都有狀況，在我們的消費部分，要怎麼樣促進擴大內需來幫助我們島內的消費？我這邊希望是不是可以透過我們之前有說的，在野黨在倡議的，應該要透過普發的方式，因為我們面臨到的是一個經濟衰退的狀況，可是剛剛講到三大經濟刺激的部分，貿易有問題，投資可能也有問題，再來，我們的消費是不是應該可以透過普發現金的方式，而且這不是我們臺灣首創，我們是不是應該要透過這個方式來刺激我們的消費？"],["卓院長榮泰：普發現金在我國過去也用過，我認為在一個比較承平的時代，沒有因應國際很大的巨變的時候，用普發現金也許是一個考量的方式，但今天我們面對的是一個國際大的經貿情勢的改變，我們必須用舉國的力量，放在同一個比較可觀的數字上面去做國家的整體開發跟建設，對弱勢族群、對產業做極大部分的全力去協助，這樣才能夠達到目的。"],["廖委員偉翔：院長，我們剛剛也說了，經濟面對的可能是衰退，我們也講了經濟三大因素，所以我要在這裡再誠懇地建議院長回去好好思考，我覺得這是擴大內需、擴大消費，可以刺激我們經濟，或者是減緩我們經濟衰退的一個很有用也很直觀的方法，而且也可以直接普惠到全民，希望院長好好參考。","再來，院長，關於這次關稅對我們宣布的32%，雖然現在暫緩，但對我們臺中的產業衝擊非常的大，也可以說是這一波關稅的重災區，特別是臺中的工具機產業，不僅占全臺產值的七成，對美國的出口也占了全國的一半，總產值高達大概18.9億美元，未來不知道結果如何，但是我想這個還是很大的衝擊，就算是10%，也是很大的衝擊。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以，一旦未來如果談到假設還是和原本一樣百分之二十幾、三十的話，對我們臺灣製造的價格優勢也會完全喪失，未來恐怕也要轉移市場或是退出美國市場；看了你們的報告，這部分比較沒有針對中部、整個臺中做出更細節的統計，所以我請臺中市政府協助統計，有關受影響的除了工具機產業，還包括了手工具機、自行車、航太、金屬製品、光電面板相關的產業，這些在臺中共有9,663家的企業，總共將近24萬5,000個從業人員，所以這些在背後代表的都是要養家活口的中小企業和員工，一旦撐不下去，可能影響大概數萬個家庭及數十萬人，請教院長，依照行政院現在所公布的辦法，針對產業的部分，從880億加到930億夠嗎？對產業應該要更多吧？應該加到1,930億吧？","在這次的金融支持方案裡，有關貿易融資利息的減碼措施，其中在申請資格，說是要出口美國實績較基期衰退15%，但是我要代表臺中的廠商及很多企業詢問，這所謂的「基期」到底是什麼？定義標準是什麼？會不會讓他們看得到吃不到？請教院長這個部分。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們不會對各個行業、各個產業有疏忽。總統到過臺中，我到過彰化，我們跟剛剛委員所提到的這些業者都有座談過，了解他們的需求；我們現在編列的930億，其實我一直認為對台電挹注的1000億，就是對產業的協助，能夠讓物價穩定，能夠降電費、讓電費穩定。另外，您提到的基期，我們已經降到10%了，不用15%，只要衰退10%就在補助的範圍，而且基期計算是去年同期，或是去年的下半年，今年4月以後……"],["廖委員偉翔：謝謝院長，我覺得這應該可以再往下談，可以再給我們產業更好的優惠。另外，您剛剛提到台電的部分，那是另外一個議題，我覺得不應該是在這4,100億裡暗渡陳倉……"],["卓院長榮泰：所有的業者都希望不要漲電價。"],["廖委員偉翔：那個問題必須從能源政策去檢討，今天我們在這裡先不展開，我要就金融支持的方面來問，院長剛剛提到有增加他們的支持，但是我看不是啊！因為對於出口廠商提供的貿易融資利息減碼，行政院在4月4日的記者會上宣布，一般企業最高減收利息額度可達500萬，中小企業最高可達600萬，看一下簡報，這是原本初始的方案，一般企業有500萬，中小企業到600萬，可是在4月24日的方案卻是雙降，居然降到了100萬跟120萬，這不正是我們企業需要金融支持的時候嗎？你把它降到100萬跟120萬，怎麼跟原本的初始方案差這麼多？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我們把可以協助的廠商從500家好像增加到1萬2,000家，把它的面拓廣了、金額降低了，因為我覺得利息……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以我剛剛就說了，加碼的東西是不是沒有用到刀口上？你說你加了，然後也降低了基期。"],["卓院長榮泰：利息減免到500萬，這個上限是相當高的利息，「利息減免500萬」。"],["廖委員偉翔：針對這些重要出口到美國的公司，這100萬及120萬不就是杯水車薪嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們是把它的面加廣。"],["廖委員偉翔：你把面拉廣，可是你並沒有把這部分的預算再增加嘛！所以根本的問題，是不是應該把這部分的預算提高？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，那是利息的錢，不是貸款的錢，有誤會……"],["廖委員偉翔：這當然我知道啊！但是為什麼初始方案跟後面差這麼多？你說支持企業……我覺得這個部分，拜託院長是不是應該回去再修改、再去調整？甚至最根本的問題，應該是把這個經費拉高。"],["卓院長榮泰：有很多業界希望我們把照顧的面放廣。"],["廖委員偉翔：你照顧面放廣，可是你的水庫沒有增加，你應該要增加這個水庫嘛！"],["卓院長榮泰：一年減免500萬的利息是相當高的，當初我們設計比較高，後來降到100萬。"],["廖委員偉翔：這不就代表你們當初設計是亂喊的囉！"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，是我們把面放廣。"],["廖委員偉翔：不是嘛！當初說880億不夠，我們希望這部分的預算，這個水庫是不是可以加碼？我們絕對同意這4,100億，但是應該用在真正的刀口上，這也是我要提出的地方，應該對於產業的支持，你說120億裡，本來500萬、600萬用不夠，想要變成是面面俱到我也很同意喔！中小微企業都需要照顧，可是那根本的部分，你提高的預算是不是應該把它放在這裡？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，我們不是只有在利息上補貼它，我們有其他方式來幫助受困的企業走出一條新的路，所以我們從技能上面導入AI教學；第二個，我們從ESCO上面……"],["廖委員偉翔：謝謝部長，那是中長期本來就該做的事。"],["郭部長智輝：沒有！我們現在馬上幫它們把比較耗能的設備……我們現在都是在幫它替換設備。"],["廖委員偉翔：部長，那是中長期本來就該做的事，不要混為一談啦！我們現在說它面對衝擊，馬上面對到的問題就是這個部分，你原本自己也提出500萬、600萬的方案，結果怎麼到後來又自己縮水了呢？所以這是一件很奇怪的事，你絕對沒辦法雨露均霑，是不是最根本就是把這個預算提高喔！"],["郭部長智輝：並不是這樣子，報告委員，我們現在那個部分是因為它在第二天以後就有所謂的豁免……"],["廖委員偉翔：部長，我的訴求很簡單，就是這個部分，最後……"],["郭部長智輝：事實上，現在還沒有碰到那麼大的問題，所以我們就是把本來短期90天沒有豁免的時候，所提出來的方案又再做一些修正。"],["廖委員偉翔：沒有啦！部長，你講的那些我都認同，什麼AI導入、產業轉型、產業升級，這本來就該做、這也是中長期的方案。我講的是現在直接面臨到的金融支持的部分。最後我就是要告訴院長，請你們回去，拜託好好跟賴總統講一下、跟你們的黨主席講一下，好好的顧民生、好好的拚經濟、好好的顧產業，好不好？不要一直……"],["郭部長智輝：我們禮拜六、禮拜天都還在座談。"],["卓院長榮泰：禮拜六、禮拜天都在顧產業、顧民生。"],["廖委員偉翔：你們的座談是在惡搞啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：不會，座談沒有惡搞，是很正常地跟產業在交談。"],["主席：謝謝廖偉翔委員的質詢，謝謝行政院卓院長，還有經濟部的備詢，謝謝。","接下來我們請顏寬恒委員質詢，李彥秀委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","廖偉翔","顏寬恒","李彥秀","陳玉珍","馬文君","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","牛煦庭","黃珊珊","鍾佳濱","吳秉叡","沈發惠","許宇甄","李昆澤","林思銘","葛如鈞","許智傑","林倩綺","蔡其昌","吳沛憶","李坤城","丁學忠","劉書彬"],"page_start":99,"meetingDate":["2025-04-29"],"gazette_id":"1143901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143901_00004","1143901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143901_00004"}}}