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00:00:11,612\n主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢沈委員好院長午安這個我看今天早上的很多委員的質詢大家都關心這個我們行政院會上禮拜所通過的這個有關因應國際局勢強化經濟社會國土安全韌性的這個特別條例\n\n2\n00:00:39,303 --> 00:00:56,248\n還有昨天我們院長拜會各個黨團來說明剛才的質詢當中也有很多國民黨的委員提到普發因為我們的科稅收入優於我們的預期所以要求普發現金一萬元\n\n3\n00:00:58,237 --> 00:01:12,112\n那這個全民普發一萬元那這個我想剛剛大概院長都回答過一些問題那我想就問一個最簡單的問題我們現在目前我們這個強化任性的特別條例跟特別預算編列了4100億\n\n4\n00:01:15,775 --> 00:01:32,812\n這4100億因應這個目前國際關稅局勢的這些相關的因應措施以及這個強化國土安全韌性這樣子的4100億的預算他跟這個普發一萬塊的現金他可以兼顧嗎他可以兩邊都做嗎這是我這邊我是編4100億同時我又全民普發一萬塊的現金\n\n5\n00:01:35,595 --> 00:01:50,004\n我們衡量國家目前的財政狀況以及實際上的需要我們希望現在這個階段面對國際貿易秩序的重整我們積沙成塔積少成多用國家的力量就放在這4100億的因應國際情勢強化韌性那應該\n\n6\n00:01:54,352 --> 00:02:17,668\n普發現金不是現在最好的一個方式我們沒有考慮兩邊動作簡單講就是沒有辦法你沒有辦法又發一萬塊然後又編列這個因應關稅的強化韌性的計算所以應該要集中力量去面對產業的需求就是要取捨啦簡單講就是要取捨你要嘛你發了一萬塊現金你就沒有錢來做這些相關的強化韌性的措施那效益可能會更小\n\n7\n00:02:18,248 --> 00:02:32,782\n那你做了這個強化措施你就沒有那個錢來發這個一萬塊的現金你這是需要取捨的這就跟一個家庭一樣嘛我好像今年景氣比較好賺的錢比我預期的還要多那我們全家人大家把它分掉一人分多少分掉\n\n8\n00:02:34,108 --> 00:02:47,238\n這是一種方式嘛這是你一種持家的方式另外一種持家的方式是說我看今年可能有一些狀況景氣不太好我們是不是先拿一些錢去還貸款然後拿一些錢我們來做避險來做我們這個風險的\n\n9\n00:02:49,179 --> 00:03:00,965\n所以在這個取捨裡面到底是要取捨哪一樣這個我想這個是當然一個是政府的政策第二就是你個人我想這是一個選擇那這個選擇我看剛才國民黨委員他們也非常大家講完發一萬塊之後然後馬上就問說我各個產業各行各業台灣受到川普這個關稅的衝擊他有衝擊有多大我們政府有沒有因應\n\n10\n00:03:13,186 --> 00:03:36,847\n你又要發現金你又要政府來做這個這個是顯然是做不到所以我覺得這個部分更何況國民黨還提出這個特別條例要求這個普發現金要常態化以後只要稅收又逾期就要普發現金這個我個人認為說是值得國人深思的這也非常的不一樣因為這樣會把整個國家財政固定化僵化以後\n\n11\n00:03:37,407 --> 00:04:04,472\n未來他的變動靈活性會變得很小這部分大家現在拿到一人賺一萬大家笑嗨嗨然後接下來通貨膨脹萬一通貨膨脹然後再來萬一這個衝擊太大你造成這些企業的衝擊造成失業率連投入就沒有了所以我覺得這個是政策取捨我希望是值得國人深思這是第一個問題\n\n12\n00:04:05,532 --> 00:04:18,781\n第二問題接下來這個部分如果院長有一些是政策的部分請院長可以參佐那如果有一些部分我們這個金管會如果可以了解的話也請這個金管會旁主委能夠作為補充\n\n13\n00:04:21,741 --> 00:04:37,640\n在這個全球化這個浪潮當然外資的投資可以當作是一個國家經濟的自由化跟競爭力的一種重要指標但是外資增加雖然可以增加我們國家的經濟發展但是也有可能造成國內產業的一些負面的負擔\n\n14\n00:04:40,023 --> 00:04:43,507\n尤其是近年來世界各國都紛紛近年來中國大陸的這些企業經常透過敵意併購的方式\n\n15\n00:04:56,779 --> 00:05:22,273\n來這個併吞各國的企業造成很多亂象那也引起很多國家的忌憚這是全世界的狀況都引起很多國家的狀況那這些國家他們很多都啟動這種國家安全的審查機制來針對中國的資金那這種國家安全的審查程序在作為這個外資要進入這個國家的一個安全法這個是目前全世界很多狀況的情況\n\n16\n00:05:24,963 --> 00:05:38,329\n那台灣這幾年來尤其最近這個也發生很多甚至直接在股票市場在這個金融市場就直接有這個假外資真入資的方式甚至有可能要進行這個敵意賓購的\n\n17\n00:05:39,993 --> 00:05:56,821\n的這個情勢違法登台的這種情勢那我想這個部分因為涉及要如何兼顧投資的自由化那又同時要保障國家安全的制度這部分在制度面上面我想希望跟院長跟主委這邊來做一些討論\n\n18\n00:05:58,376 --> 00:06:24,073\n那我目前這個我知道我們現在目前這個國家的這個我們包括橋外資包括陸資這些來台灣投資在法令限制上面我們大概區分兩種我們有把它區分開來一種是一般性的投資一種是這個專門性的投資嘛對不對這兩種不一樣的法令規範那這兩種不一樣的法令限制裡面有關於一般性的投資的部分我們採雙軌制我們台灣目前是雙軌制的橋外資一軌\n\n19\n00:06:25,154 --> 00:06:45,899\n入資一軌啦分開兩個規範的情況不一樣那這個全世界沒有這個全世界大概只有台灣有全世界都是全世界大概就把所有非國內的資金都一律用國家安全審查機制來審查那我們是沒有我們分開橋外資分開入資特別這是我們目前的這個雙回資的一個狀況那當然\n\n20\n00:06:49,093 --> 00:07:12,866\n我也肯定就過去這段時間,事實上我們透過經濟部的投審會我們經管會事實上都有在把關有關於這些外資,蕎外資它背後是不是假中資的這些問題我們都有在把關,但是很多情況,因為我們現在的制度的設計我們現在這樣子的防堵的漏洞\n\n21\n00:07:14,757 --> 00:07:28,750\n我們現在的法治規範是不是真的能夠防止漏洞是不是真的能夠防範紅色資本的入侵這部分有的曠日廢時有的等你做完了公司都已經被掏空了人家已經做完一陣子已經跑了\n\n22\n00:07:29,574 --> 00:07:46,050\n那時候才做出來這個是目前法制上面所以這部分是不是請彭主委你這邊說明一下目前我們這邊的這些相關的機制是謝謝委員剛剛提到確實我們陳柱委員講我們對外資投入台灣的上市櫃公司\n\n23\n00:07:46,630 --> 00:08:10,086\n那本來就有分兩個軌我們對中資或入資的部分有做更加強的管控比如說我們第一個前進來當然比如說是經濟部那邊委託省會有那我們對所謂保管銀行的部分我們要嚴格要求要做好KYC對這個是金融的部分這彭卓是這樣子啦我現在要談的重點是說我們現行的制度我們現在的審查機制你覺得足夠了嗎我們現在這樣審查機制\n\n24\n00:08:15,250 --> 00:08:41,714\n這個我們足以我們授權我們這個行政機關做國家安全的相關的審查嗎當然我想說站在金管會他本質上是在因為他是上市會公司交易這資本市場交易的主管機關這部分我們必須要配合其他更專業的單位來做這件事情好院長這個事實上監察院在111年2月9號調查報告就直接說我們現在這個機制是完全不足的\n\n25\n00:08:42,506 --> 00:09:11,083\n我們現在目前的這些審查其實是不夠的應該要做制度上面的一些設定我們現在現行制度對我們大量持股的部分我們申報規範我們把非公開發行的跟公開發行的我們把它分開公司把它分開有關於公開發行的部分我們有一些事前的申報義務定期的申報義務這些內部的部分外部人的部分也有外部人要被動受理申報的機制\n\n26\n00:09:12,524 --> 00:09:35,584\n這些機制我個人認為都不足我來參考外國的制度我們來看看外國我講我們現在雙軌制事實上外國沒有雙軌制他們只有一個單一的關注就是國家安全所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例因為他們兩個是資本市場的買方這部分我們不談我們看看歐盟\n\n27\n00:09:37,332 --> 00:10:01,829\n歐盟事實上在這個2017年5月他就通過一個股東的權力執行條例他直接讓公司隨時可以要求辨識這個股東他的最終受益人跟他的執行受益人這些他就可以辨識而且他要求他的成員國都國內法化現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了這是歐盟的做法在英國的相關的系統包括英國包括澳洲包括新加坡包括香港\n\n28\n00:10:03,344 --> 00:10:28,181\n他們過去這樣子的英美法系的這些系統他們都是明文立法的他們明文立法就是這些公司還有這個監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人這都在英國、澳洲、新加坡這些都是這樣做那至少我們看臨近的日本跟我們最接近臨近的日本過去當然跟我們很類似但是他們事實上他們在今年日本在今年的這個\n\n29\n00:10:32,482 --> 00:10:53,120\n日本在今年的4月23日就上個禮拜他們的法務大臣的一個諮詢單位叫做法治審議會他們裡面的公司法小組他們就已經這個會議他們就已經決定他們要開始創設實質股東確認的制度這個在日本上個禮拜也做這個確定他們開始立法要開始做了那我們台灣呢\n\n30\n00:10:54,721 --> 00:11:08,893\n我現在講這些也是在這邊讓我們主委了解我會請院長能夠注意這些事情我們台灣要強化股東透明度的強化措施這個實在目前我們比較世界各國\n\n31\n00:11:10,194 --> 00:11:29,418\n我們實在是不足啦目前的法制實在不足這個部分我們請金管會是不是能夠請院長折騰我們金管會這邊我們這個會同相關的主管機關包括經濟部啦投誠會這些等等相關這些我們針對這些強化股東透明度的這個法制上面來做研究好不好來做研議朝這個方向來進行可以嗎院長\n\n32\n00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:46,911\n我覺得揭露實質或是最終受益人這是基本的條件那如果過去監察院對行政院有所的指正那我請金管會、經濟部、財政部相關單位我們參著監察院的意見我們做具體的改進好這部分再麻煩院長\n\n33\n00:11:48,680 --> 00:12:08,855\n還有一點點時間我想院長也記得我在去年的總諮詢另外我十月的時候我也到委員會特別跟彭主委這邊來請教有關於亞洲資產管理中心的問題這些問題我現在大概做幾個追蹤跟確認第一個有關TESA的部分就是我們台灣個人的投資儲蓄專戶TESA的部分\n\n34\n00:12:15,620 --> 00:12:33,881\n那時候彭主委有講說預計今年上半年要上路那現在上半年已經過了現在已經四月底了剩兩個月上半年可以上路嗎這裡我跟委員報告我們分兩階段一個是沒有租稅優惠讓利的那一部分確實我們已經做完你已經跟財政部舉雙手投降了\n\n35\n00:12:35,022 --> 00:12:50,395\n6月會上線這沒問題就是我們答應的第一階段那至於說那個有關我們的租稅優惠我還持續跟莊部長這邊做做密切的協商針對各種方案來做討論但至少我們6月可以上路對第一階段已經確定可以上路再來這個這個有關我們這個\n\n36\n00:12:56,414 --> 00:13:10,524\n有關這個亞洲資產管理中心我們地方資產管理專區的部分我們現在設在我看我們4月1號的時候這個月初我們公布了這個金融業申請進駐的示範辦法對這個地方資產管理專區的示範業務作業原則我們公布這個原則之後然後有開放這個38項的示範業務那我要問現在目前申請進駐的進度\n\n37\n00:13:21,512 --> 00:13:49,920\n現在現在加數是多少他的資產規模是多少現在的話我們總共在那次辦辦法也開放五種業態可以參加現在的話因為他有個條件要跟高雄市政府簽MOU現在15家有私人銀行會全部參加我想這部分15家對第一階段那接下來我們還開放了證券公司投信公司投顧公司還有保險公司所以他們陸續的會跟高雄市政府簽訂合約然後就可以\n\n38\n00:13:50,060 --> 00:14:15,729\n可以逐步的進駐我想這個尤其最重要的15家有私人銀行的銀行我想他們很快的會開始進行我們預計在7月就可以陸續的在那邊開始作業跟營運這個部分我也很期待那最後一個部分我那時候在總質詢的時候特別提到日本他們有關於日本州的這樣子的做法我們彭主委那時候也有說我們有關台灣州的我們今年10月會來舉辦我們現在\n\n39\n00:14:18,670 --> 00:14:26,563\n有招標了嗎我們10月已經跟我們相關的主辦的單位都把細節大概都已經研擬好大概時間也確定地點也確定了時間\n\n40\n00:14:27,898 --> 00:14:52,128\n大概十月中旬有什麼樣的核心活動那裡面內容非常多我再把那個細節再跟委員報告那這個月我時間也要到了但這部分我覺得這個亞洲市場管理中心這個是我們這個拜總統跟卓院長宣示的重大政策我覺得這個只能成功不能失敗所以這些進度相關的進度我希望能夠金管會那邊能夠確實掌握也請卓院長這邊要全力的\n\n41\n00:14:55,330 --> 00:14:55,991\n監督進行該進行的協調\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8471\t11612\t主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢沈委員好院長午安這個我看今天早上的很多委員的質詢大家都關心這個我們行政院會上禮拜所通過的這個有關因應國際局勢強化經濟社會國土安全韌性的這個特別條例\n39303\t56248\t還有昨天我們院長拜會各個黨團來說明剛才的質詢當中也有很多國民黨的委員提到普發因為我們的科稅收入優於我們的預期所以要求普發現金一萬元\n58237\t72112\t那這個全民普發一萬元那這個我想剛剛大概院長都回答過一些問題那我想就問一個最簡單的問題我們現在目前我們這個強化任性的特別條例跟特別預算編列了4100億\n75775\t92812\t這4100億因應這個目前國際關稅局勢的這些相關的因應措施以及這個強化國土安全韌性這樣子的4100億的預算他跟這個普發一萬塊的現金他可以兼顧嗎他可以兩邊都做嗎這是我這邊我是編4100億同時我又全民普發一萬塊的現金\n95595\t110004\t我們衡量國家目前的財政狀況以及實際上的需要我們希望現在這個階段面對國際貿易秩序的重整我們積沙成塔積少成多用國家的力量就放在這4100億的因應國際情勢強化韌性那應該\n114352\t137668\t普發現金不是現在最好的一個方式我們沒有考慮兩邊動作簡單講就是沒有辦法你沒有辦法又發一萬塊然後又編列這個因應關稅的強化韌性的計算所以應該要集中力量去面對產業的需求就是要取捨啦簡單講就是要取捨你要嘛你發了一萬塊現金你就沒有錢來做這些相關的強化韌性的措施那效益可能會更小\n138248\t152782\t那你做了這個強化措施你就沒有那個錢來發這個一萬塊的現金你這是需要取捨的這就跟一個家庭一樣嘛我好像今年景氣比較好賺的錢比我預期的還要多那我們全家人大家把它分掉一人分多少分掉\n154108\t167238\t這是一種方式嘛這是你一種持家的方式另外一種持家的方式是說我看今年可能有一些狀況景氣不太好我們是不是先拿一些錢去還貸款然後拿一些錢我們來做避險來做我們這個風險的\n169179\t180965\t所以在這個取捨裡面到底是要取捨哪一樣這個我想這個是當然一個是政府的政策第二就是你個人我想這是一個選擇那這個選擇我看剛才國民黨委員他們也非常大家講完發一萬塊之後然後馬上就問說我各個產業各行各業台灣受到川普這個關稅的衝擊他有衝擊有多大我們政府有沒有因應\n193186\t216847\t你又要發現金你又要政府來做這個這個是顯然是做不到所以我覺得這個部分更何況國民黨還提出這個特別條例要求這個普發現金要常態化以後只要稅收又逾期就要普發現金這個我個人認為說是值得國人深思的這也非常的不一樣因為這樣會把整個國家財政固定化僵化以後\n217407\t244472\t未來他的變動靈活性會變得很小這部分大家現在拿到一人賺一萬大家笑嗨嗨然後接下來通貨膨脹萬一通貨膨脹然後再來萬一這個衝擊太大你造成這些企業的衝擊造成失業率連投入就沒有了所以我覺得這個是政策取捨我希望是值得國人深思這是第一個問題\n245532\t258781\t第二問題接下來這個部分如果院長有一些是政策的部分請院長可以參佐那如果有一些部分我們這個金管會如果可以了解的話也請這個金管會旁主委能夠作為補充\n261741\t277640\t在這個全球化這個浪潮當然外資的投資可以當作是一個國家經濟的自由化跟競爭力的一種重要指標但是外資增加雖然可以增加我們國家的經濟發展但是也有可能造成國內產業的一些負面的負擔\n280023\t283507\t尤其是近年來世界各國都紛紛近年來中國大陸的這些企業經常透過敵意併購的方式\n296779\t322273\t來這個併吞各國的企業造成很多亂象那也引起很多國家的忌憚這是全世界的狀況都引起很多國家的狀況那這些國家他們很多都啟動這種國家安全的審查機制來針對中國的資金那這種國家安全的審查程序在作為這個外資要進入這個國家的一個安全法這個是目前全世界很多狀況的情況\n324963\t338329\t那台灣這幾年來尤其最近這個也發生很多甚至直接在股票市場在這個金融市場就直接有這個假外資真入資的方式甚至有可能要進行這個敵意賓購的\n339993\t356821\t的這個情勢違法登台的這種情勢那我想這個部分因為涉及要如何兼顧投資的自由化那又同時要保障國家安全的制度這部分在制度面上面我想希望跟院長跟主委這邊來做一些討論\n358376\t384073\t那我目前這個我知道我們現在目前這個國家的這個我們包括橋外資包括陸資這些來台灣投資在法令限制上面我們大概區分兩種我們有把它區分開來一種是一般性的投資一種是這個專門性的投資嘛對不對這兩種不一樣的法令規範那這兩種不一樣的法令限制裡面有關於一般性的投資的部分我們採雙軌制我們台灣目前是雙軌制的橋外資一軌\n385154\t405899\t入資一軌啦分開兩個規範的情況不一樣那這個全世界沒有這個全世界大概只有台灣有全世界都是全世界大概就把所有非國內的資金都一律用國家安全審查機制來審查那我們是沒有我們分開橋外資分開入資特別這是我們目前的這個雙回資的一個狀況那當然\n409093\t432866\t我也肯定就過去這段時間,事實上我們透過經濟部的投審會我們經管會事實上都有在把關有關於這些外資,蕎外資它背後是不是假中資的這些問題我們都有在把關,但是很多情況,因為我們現在的制度的設計我們現在這樣子的防堵的漏洞\n434757\t448750\t我們現在的法治規範是不是真的能夠防止漏洞是不是真的能夠防範紅色資本的入侵這部分有的曠日廢時有的等你做完了公司都已經被掏空了人家已經做完一陣子已經跑了\n449574\t466050\t那時候才做出來這個是目前法制上面所以這部分是不是請彭主委你這邊說明一下目前我們這邊的這些相關的機制是 謝謝委員剛剛提到確實我們陳柱委員講我們對外資投入台灣的上市櫃公司\n466630\t490086\t那本來就有分兩個軌我們對中資或入資的部分有做更加強的管控比如說我們第一個前進來當然比如說是經濟部那邊委託省會有那我們對所謂保管銀行的部分我們要嚴格要求要做好KYC對這個是金融的部分這彭卓是這樣子啦我現在要談的重點是說我們現行的制度我們現在的審查機制你覺得足夠了嗎我們現在這樣審查機制\n495250\t521714\t這個我們足以我們授權我們這個行政機關做國家安全的相關的審查嗎當然我想說站在金管會他本質上是在因為他是上市會公司交易這資本市場交易的主管機關這部分我們必須要配合其他更專業的單位來做這件事情好 院長這個事實上監察院在111年2月9號調查報告就直接說我們現在這個機制是完全不足的\n522506\t551083\t我們現在目前的這些審查其實是不夠的應該要做制度上面的一些設定我們現在現行制度對我們大量持股的部分我們申報規範我們把非公開發行的跟公開發行的我們把它分開公司把它分開有關於公開發行的部分我們有一些事前的申報義務定期的申報義務這些內部的部分外部人的部分也有外部人要被動受理申報的機制\n552524\t575584\t這些機制我個人認為都不足我來參考外國的制度我們來看看外國我講我們現在雙軌制事實上外國沒有雙軌制他們只有一個單一的關注就是國家安全所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例因為他們兩個是資本市場的買方這部分我們不談我們看看歐盟\n577332\t601829\t歐盟事實上在這個2017年5月他就通過一個股東的權力執行條例他直接讓公司隨時可以要求辨識這個股東他的最終受益人跟他的執行受益人這些他就可以辨識而且他要求他的成員國都國內法化現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了這是歐盟的做法在英國的相關的系統包括英國包括澳洲包括新加坡包括香港\n603344\t628181\t他們過去這樣子的英美法系的這些系統他們都是明文立法的他們明文立法就是這些公司還有這個監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人這都在英國、澳洲、新加坡這些都是這樣做那至少我們看臨近的日本跟我們最接近臨近的日本過去當然跟我們很類似但是他們事實上他們在今年日本在今年的這個\n632482\t653120\t日本在今年的4月23日就上個禮拜他們的法務大臣的一個諮詢單位叫做法治審議會他們裡面的公司法小組他們就已經這個會議他們就已經決定他們要開始創設實質股東確認的制度這個在日本上個禮拜也做這個確定他們開始立法要開始做了那我們台灣呢\n654721\t668893\t我現在講這些也是在這邊讓我們主委了解我會請院長能夠注意這些事情我們台灣要強化股東透明度的強化措施這個實在目前我們比較世界各國\n670194\t689418\t我們實在是不足啦目前的法制實在不足這個部分我們請金管會是不是能夠請院長折騰我們金管會這邊我們這個會同相關的主管機關包括經濟部啦投誠會這些等等相關這些我們針對這些強化股東透明度的這個法制上面來做研究好不好來做研議朝這個方向來進行可以嗎院長\n689980\t706911\t我覺得揭露實質或是最終受益人這是基本的條件那如果過去監察院對行政院有所的指正那我請金管會、經濟部、財政部相關單位我們參著監察院的意見我們做具體的改進好這部分再麻煩院長\n708680\t728855\t還有一點點時間我想院長也記得我在去年的總諮詢另外我十月的時候我也到委員會特別跟彭主委這邊來請教有關於亞洲資產管理中心的問題這些問題我現在大概做幾個追蹤跟確認第一個有關TESA的部分就是我們台灣個人的投資儲蓄專戶TESA的部分\n735620\t753881\t那時候彭主委有講說預計今年上半年要上路那現在上半年已經過了現在已經四月底了剩兩個月上半年可以上路嗎這裡我跟委員報告我們分兩階段一個是沒有租稅優惠讓利的那一部分確實我們已經做完你已經跟財政部舉雙手投降了\n755022\t770395\t6月會上線這沒問題就是我們答應的第一階段那至於說那個有關我們的租稅優惠我還持續跟莊部長這邊做做密切的協商針對各種方案來做討論但至少我們6月可以上路對第一階段已經確定可以上路再來這個這個有關我們這個\n776414\t790524\t有關這個亞洲資產管理中心我們地方資產管理專區的部分我們現在設在我看我們4月1號的時候這個月初我們公布了這個金融業申請進駐的示範辦法對這個地方資產管理專區的示範業務作業原則我們公布這個原則之後然後有開放這個38項的示範業務那我要問現在目前申請進駐的進度\n801512\t829920\t現在現在加數是多少他的資產規模是多少現在的話我們總共在那次辦辦法也開放五種業態可以參加現在的話因為他有個條件要跟高雄市政府簽MOU現在15家有私人銀行會全部參加我想這部分15家對第一階段那接下來我們還開放了證券公司投信公司投顧公司還有保險公司所以他們陸續的會跟高雄市政府簽訂合約然後就可以\n830060\t855729\t可以逐步的進駐我想這個尤其最重要的15家有私人銀行的銀行我想他們很快的會開始進行我們預計在7月就可以陸續的在那邊開始作業跟營運這個部分我也很期待那最後一個部分我那時候在總質詢的時候特別提到日本他們有關於日本州的這樣子的做法我們彭主委那時候也有說我們有關台灣州的我們今年10月會來舉辦我們現在\n858670\t866563\t有招標了嗎我們10月已經跟我們相關的主辦的單位都把細節大概都已經研擬好大概時間也確定地點也確定了時間\n867898\t892128\t大概十月中旬有什麼樣的核心活動那裡面內容非常多我再把那個細節再跟委員報告那這個月我時間也要到了但這部分我覺得這個亞洲市場管理中心這個是我們這個拜總統跟卓院長宣示的重大政策我覺得這個只能成功不能失敗所以這些進度相關的進度我希望能夠金管會那邊能夠確實掌握也請卓院長這邊要全力的\n895330\t895991\t監督進行該進行的協調\n","txt":"主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢沈委員好院長午安這個我看今天早上的很多委員的質詢大家都關心這個我們行政院會上禮拜所通過的這個有關因應國際局勢強化經濟社會國土安全韌性的這個特別條例\n還有昨天我們院長拜會各個黨團來說明剛才的質詢當中也有很多國民黨的委員提到普發因為我們的科稅收入優於我們的預期所以要求普發現金一萬元\n那這個全民普發一萬元那這個我想剛剛大概院長都回答過一些問題那我想就問一個最簡單的問題我們現在目前我們這個強化任性的特別條例跟特別預算編列了4100億\n這4100億因應這個目前國際關稅局勢的這些相關的因應措施以及這個強化國土安全韌性這樣子的4100億的預算他跟這個普發一萬塊的現金他可以兼顧嗎他可以兩邊都做嗎這是我這邊我是編4100億同時我又全民普發一萬塊的現金\n我們衡量國家目前的財政狀況以及實際上的需要我們希望現在這個階段面對國際貿易秩序的重整我們積沙成塔積少成多用國家的力量就放在這4100億的因應國際情勢強化韌性那應該\n普發現金不是現在最好的一個方式我們沒有考慮兩邊動作簡單講就是沒有辦法你沒有辦法又發一萬塊然後又編列這個因應關稅的強化韌性的計算所以應該要集中力量去面對產業的需求就是要取捨啦簡單講就是要取捨你要嘛你發了一萬塊現金你就沒有錢來做這些相關的強化韌性的措施那效益可能會更小\n那你做了這個強化措施你就沒有那個錢來發這個一萬塊的現金你這是需要取捨的這就跟一個家庭一樣嘛我好像今年景氣比較好賺的錢比我預期的還要多那我們全家人大家把它分掉一人分多少分掉\n這是一種方式嘛這是你一種持家的方式另外一種持家的方式是說我看今年可能有一些狀況景氣不太好我們是不是先拿一些錢去還貸款然後拿一些錢我們來做避險來做我們這個風險的\n所以在這個取捨裡面到底是要取捨哪一樣這個我想這個是當然一個是政府的政策第二就是你個人我想這是一個選擇那這個選擇我看剛才國民黨委員他們也非常大家講完發一萬塊之後然後馬上就問說我各個產業各行各業台灣受到川普這個關稅的衝擊他有衝擊有多大我們政府有沒有因應\n你又要發現金你又要政府來做這個這個是顯然是做不到所以我覺得這個部分更何況國民黨還提出這個特別條例要求這個普發現金要常態化以後只要稅收又逾期就要普發現金這個我個人認為說是值得國人深思的這也非常的不一樣因為這樣會把整個國家財政固定化僵化以後\n未來他的變動靈活性會變得很小這部分大家現在拿到一人賺一萬大家笑嗨嗨然後接下來通貨膨脹萬一通貨膨脹然後再來萬一這個衝擊太大你造成這些企業的衝擊造成失業率連投入就沒有了所以我覺得這個是政策取捨我希望是值得國人深思這是第一個問題\n第二問題接下來這個部分如果院長有一些是政策的部分請院長可以參佐那如果有一些部分我們這個金管會如果可以了解的話也請這個金管會旁主委能夠作為補充\n在這個全球化這個浪潮當然外資的投資可以當作是一個國家經濟的自由化跟競爭力的一種重要指標但是外資增加雖然可以增加我們國家的經濟發展但是也有可能造成國內產業的一些負面的負擔\n尤其是近年來世界各國都紛紛近年來中國大陸的這些企業經常透過敵意併購的方式\n來這個併吞各國的企業造成很多亂象那也引起很多國家的忌憚這是全世界的狀況都引起很多國家的狀況那這些國家他們很多都啟動這種國家安全的審查機制來針對中國的資金那這種國家安全的審查程序在作為這個外資要進入這個國家的一個安全法這個是目前全世界很多狀況的情況\n那台灣這幾年來尤其最近這個也發生很多甚至直接在股票市場在這個金融市場就直接有這個假外資真入資的方式甚至有可能要進行這個敵意賓購的\n的這個情勢違法登台的這種情勢那我想這個部分因為涉及要如何兼顧投資的自由化那又同時要保障國家安全的制度這部分在制度面上面我想希望跟院長跟主委這邊來做一些討論\n那我目前這個我知道我們現在目前這個國家的這個我們包括橋外資包括陸資這些來台灣投資在法令限制上面我們大概區分兩種我們有把它區分開來一種是一般性的投資一種是這個專門性的投資嘛對不對這兩種不一樣的法令規範那這兩種不一樣的法令限制裡面有關於一般性的投資的部分我們採雙軌制我們台灣目前是雙軌制的橋外資一軌\n入資一軌啦分開兩個規範的情況不一樣那這個全世界沒有這個全世界大概只有台灣有全世界都是全世界大概就把所有非國內的資金都一律用國家安全審查機制來審查那我們是沒有我們分開橋外資分開入資特別這是我們目前的這個雙回資的一個狀況那當然\n我也肯定就過去這段時間,事實上我們透過經濟部的投審會我們經管會事實上都有在把關有關於這些外資,蕎外資它背後是不是假中資的這些問題我們都有在把關,但是很多情況,因為我們現在的制度的設計我們現在這樣子的防堵的漏洞\n我們現在的法治規範是不是真的能夠防止漏洞是不是真的能夠防範紅色資本的入侵這部分有的曠日廢時有的等你做完了公司都已經被掏空了人家已經做完一陣子已經跑了\n那時候才做出來這個是目前法制上面所以這部分是不是請彭主委你這邊說明一下目前我們這邊的這些相關的機制是 謝謝委員剛剛提到確實我們陳柱委員講我們對外資投入台灣的上市櫃公司\n那本來就有分兩個軌我們對中資或入資的部分有做更加強的管控比如說我們第一個前進來當然比如說是經濟部那邊委託省會有那我們對所謂保管銀行的部分我們要嚴格要求要做好KYC對這個是金融的部分這彭卓是這樣子啦我現在要談的重點是說我們現行的制度我們現在的審查機制你覺得足夠了嗎我們現在這樣審查機制\n這個我們足以我們授權我們這個行政機關做國家安全的相關的審查嗎當然我想說站在金管會他本質上是在因為他是上市會公司交易這資本市場交易的主管機關這部分我們必須要配合其他更專業的單位來做這件事情好 院長這個事實上監察院在111年2月9號調查報告就直接說我們現在這個機制是完全不足的\n我們現在目前的這些審查其實是不夠的應該要做制度上面的一些設定我們現在現行制度對我們大量持股的部分我們申報規範我們把非公開發行的跟公開發行的我們把它分開公司把它分開有關於公開發行的部分我們有一些事前的申報義務定期的申報義務這些內部的部分外部人的部分也有外部人要被動受理申報的機制\n這些機制我個人認為都不足我來參考外國的制度我們來看看外國我講我們現在雙軌制事實上外國沒有雙軌制他們只有一個單一的關注就是國家安全所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例因為他們兩個是資本市場的買方這部分我們不談我們看看歐盟\n歐盟事實上在這個2017年5月他就通過一個股東的權力執行條例他直接讓公司隨時可以要求辨識這個股東他的最終受益人跟他的執行受益人這些他就可以辨識而且他要求他的成員國都國內法化現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了這是歐盟的做法在英國的相關的系統包括英國包括澳洲包括新加坡包括香港\n他們過去這樣子的英美法系的這些系統他們都是明文立法的他們明文立法就是這些公司還有這個監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人這都在英國、澳洲、新加坡這些都是這樣做那至少我們看臨近的日本跟我們最接近臨近的日本過去當然跟我們很類似但是他們事實上他們在今年日本在今年的這個\n日本在今年的4月23日就上個禮拜他們的法務大臣的一個諮詢單位叫做法治審議會他們裡面的公司法小組他們就已經這個會議他們就已經決定他們要開始創設實質股東確認的制度這個在日本上個禮拜也做這個確定他們開始立法要開始做了那我們台灣呢\n我現在講這些也是在這邊讓我們主委了解我會請院長能夠注意這些事情我們台灣要強化股東透明度的強化措施這個實在目前我們比較世界各國\n我們實在是不足啦目前的法制實在不足這個部分我們請金管會是不是能夠請院長折騰我們金管會這邊我們這個會同相關的主管機關包括經濟部啦投誠會這些等等相關這些我們針對這些強化股東透明度的這個法制上面來做研究好不好來做研議朝這個方向來進行可以嗎院長\n我覺得揭露實質或是最終受益人這是基本的條件那如果過去監察院對行政院有所的指正那我請金管會、經濟部、財政部相關單位我們參著監察院的意見我們做具體的改進好這部分再麻煩院長\n還有一點點時間我想院長也記得我在去年的總諮詢另外我十月的時候我也到委員會特別跟彭主委這邊來請教有關於亞洲資產管理中心的問題這些問題我現在大概做幾個追蹤跟確認第一個有關TESA的部分就是我們台灣個人的投資儲蓄專戶TESA的部分\n那時候彭主委有講說預計今年上半年要上路那現在上半年已經過了現在已經四月底了剩兩個月上半年可以上路嗎這裡我跟委員報告我們分兩階段一個是沒有租稅優惠讓利的那一部分確實我們已經做完你已經跟財政部舉雙手投降了\n6月會上線這沒問題就是我們答應的第一階段那至於說那個有關我們的租稅優惠我還持續跟莊部長這邊做做密切的協商針對各種方案來做討論但至少我們6月可以上路對第一階段已經確定可以上路再來這個這個有關我們這個\n有關這個亞洲資產管理中心我們地方資產管理專區的部分我們現在設在我看我們4月1號的時候這個月初我們公布了這個金融業申請進駐的示範辦法對這個地方資產管理專區的示範業務作業原則我們公布這個原則之後然後有開放這個38項的示範業務那我要問現在目前申請進駐的進度\n現在現在加數是多少他的資產規模是多少現在的話我們總共在那次辦辦法也開放五種業態可以參加現在的話因為他有個條件要跟高雄市政府簽MOU現在15家有私人銀行會全部參加我想這部分15家對第一階段那接下來我們還開放了證券公司投信公司投顧公司還有保險公司所以他們陸續的會跟高雄市政府簽訂合約然後就可以\n可以逐步的進駐我想這個尤其最重要的15家有私人銀行的銀行我想他們很快的會開始進行我們預計在7月就可以陸續的在那邊開始作業跟營運這個部分我也很期待那最後一個部分我那時候在總質詢的時候特別提到日本他們有關於日本州的這樣子的做法我們彭主委那時候也有說我們有關台灣州的我們今年10月會來舉辦我們現在\n有招標了嗎我們10月已經跟我們相關的主辦的單位都把細節大概都已經研擬好大概時間也確定地點也確定了時間\n大概十月中旬有什麼樣的核心活動那裡面內容非常多我再把那個細節再跟委員報告那這個月我時間也要到了但這部分我覺得這個亞洲市場管理中心這個是我們這個拜總統跟卓院長宣示的重大政策我覺得這個只能成功不能失敗所以這些進度相關的進度我希望能夠金管會那邊能夠確實掌握也請卓院長這邊要全力的\n監督進行該進行的協調\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.471 --> 00:11.612\n主席我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢沈委員好院長午安這個我看今天早上的很多委員的質詢大家都關心這個我們行政院會上禮拜所通過的這個有關因應國際局勢強化經濟社會國土安全韌性的這個特別條例\n\n00:39.303 --> 00:56.248\n還有昨天我們院長拜會各個黨團來說明剛才的質詢當中也有很多國民黨的委員提到普發因為我們的科稅收入優於我們的預期所以要求普發現金一萬元\n\n00:58.237 --> 01:12.112\n那這個全民普發一萬元那這個我想剛剛大概院長都回答過一些問題那我想就問一個最簡單的問題我們現在目前我們這個強化任性的特別條例跟特別預算編列了4100億\n\n01:15.775 --> 01:32.812\n這4100億因應這個目前國際關稅局勢的這些相關的因應措施以及這個強化國土安全韌性這樣子的4100億的預算他跟這個普發一萬塊的現金他可以兼顧嗎他可以兩邊都做嗎這是我這邊我是編4100億同時我又全民普發一萬塊的現金\n\n01:35.595 --> 01:50.004\n我們衡量國家目前的財政狀況以及實際上的需要我們希望現在這個階段面對國際貿易秩序的重整我們積沙成塔積少成多用國家的力量就放在這4100億的因應國際情勢強化韌性那應該\n\n01:54.352 --> 02:17.668\n普發現金不是現在最好的一個方式我們沒有考慮兩邊動作簡單講就是沒有辦法你沒有辦法又發一萬塊然後又編列這個因應關稅的強化韌性的計算所以應該要集中力量去面對產業的需求就是要取捨啦簡單講就是要取捨你要嘛你發了一萬塊現金你就沒有錢來做這些相關的強化韌性的措施那效益可能會更小\n\n02:18.248 --> 02:32.782\n那你做了這個強化措施你就沒有那個錢來發這個一萬塊的現金你這是需要取捨的這就跟一個家庭一樣嘛我好像今年景氣比較好賺的錢比我預期的還要多那我們全家人大家把它分掉一人分多少分掉\n\n02:34.108 --> 02:47.238\n這是一種方式嘛這是你一種持家的方式另外一種持家的方式是說我看今年可能有一些狀況景氣不太好我們是不是先拿一些錢去還貸款然後拿一些錢我們來做避險來做我們這個風險的\n\n02:49.179 --> 03:00.965\n所以在這個取捨裡面到底是要取捨哪一樣這個我想這個是當然一個是政府的政策第二就是你個人我想這是一個選擇那這個選擇我看剛才國民黨委員他們也非常大家講完發一萬塊之後然後馬上就問說我各個產業各行各業台灣受到川普這個關稅的衝擊他有衝擊有多大我們政府有沒有因應\n\n03:13.186 --> 03:36.847\n你又要發現金你又要政府來做這個這個是顯然是做不到所以我覺得這個部分更何況國民黨還提出這個特別條例要求這個普發現金要常態化以後只要稅收又逾期就要普發現金這個我個人認為說是值得國人深思的這也非常的不一樣因為這樣會把整個國家財政固定化僵化以後\n\n03:37.407 --> 04:04.472\n未來他的變動靈活性會變得很小這部分大家現在拿到一人賺一萬大家笑嗨嗨然後接下來通貨膨脹萬一通貨膨脹然後再來萬一這個衝擊太大你造成這些企業的衝擊造成失業率連投入就沒有了所以我覺得這個是政策取捨我希望是值得國人深思這是第一個問題\n\n04:05.532 --> 04:18.781\n第二問題接下來這個部分如果院長有一些是政策的部分請院長可以參佐那如果有一些部分我們這個金管會如果可以了解的話也請這個金管會旁主委能夠作為補充\n\n04:21.741 --> 04:37.640\n在這個全球化這個浪潮當然外資的投資可以當作是一個國家經濟的自由化跟競爭力的一種重要指標但是外資增加雖然可以增加我們國家的經濟發展但是也有可能造成國內產業的一些負面的負擔\n\n04:40.023 --> 04:43.507\n尤其是近年來世界各國都紛紛近年來中國大陸的這些企業經常透過敵意併購的方式\n\n04:56.779 --> 05:22.273\n來這個併吞各國的企業造成很多亂象那也引起很多國家的忌憚這是全世界的狀況都引起很多國家的狀況那這些國家他們很多都啟動這種國家安全的審查機制來針對中國的資金那這種國家安全的審查程序在作為這個外資要進入這個國家的一個安全法這個是目前全世界很多狀況的情況\n\n05:24.963 --> 05:38.329\n那台灣這幾年來尤其最近這個也發生很多甚至直接在股票市場在這個金融市場就直接有這個假外資真入資的方式甚至有可能要進行這個敵意賓購的\n\n05:39.993 --> 05:56.821\n的這個情勢違法登台的這種情勢那我想這個部分因為涉及要如何兼顧投資的自由化那又同時要保障國家安全的制度這部分在制度面上面我想希望跟院長跟主委這邊來做一些討論\n\n05:58.376 --> 06:24.073\n那我目前這個我知道我們現在目前這個國家的這個我們包括橋外資包括陸資這些來台灣投資在法令限制上面我們大概區分兩種我們有把它區分開來一種是一般性的投資一種是這個專門性的投資嘛對不對這兩種不一樣的法令規範那這兩種不一樣的法令限制裡面有關於一般性的投資的部分我們採雙軌制我們台灣目前是雙軌制的橋外資一軌\n\n06:25.154 --> 06:45.899\n入資一軌啦分開兩個規範的情況不一樣那這個全世界沒有這個全世界大概只有台灣有全世界都是全世界大概就把所有非國內的資金都一律用國家安全審查機制來審查那我們是沒有我們分開橋外資分開入資特別這是我們目前的這個雙回資的一個狀況那當然\n\n06:49.093 --> 07:12.866\n我也肯定就過去這段時間,事實上我們透過經濟部的投審會我們經管會事實上都有在把關有關於這些外資,蕎外資它背後是不是假中資的這些問題我們都有在把關,但是很多情況,因為我們現在的制度的設計我們現在這樣子的防堵的漏洞\n\n07:14.757 --> 07:28.750\n我們現在的法治規範是不是真的能夠防止漏洞是不是真的能夠防範紅色資本的入侵這部分有的曠日廢時有的等你做完了公司都已經被掏空了人家已經做完一陣子已經跑了\n\n07:29.574 --> 07:46.050\n那時候才做出來這個是目前法制上面所以這部分是不是請彭主委你這邊說明一下目前我們這邊的這些相關的機制是謝謝委員剛剛提到確實我們陳柱委員講我們對外資投入台灣的上市櫃公司\n\n07:46.630 --> 08:10.086\n那本來就有分兩個軌我們對中資或入資的部分有做更加強的管控比如說我們第一個前進來當然比如說是經濟部那邊委託省會有那我們對所謂保管銀行的部分我們要嚴格要求要做好KYC對這個是金融的部分這彭卓是這樣子啦我現在要談的重點是說我們現行的制度我們現在的審查機制你覺得足夠了嗎我們現在這樣審查機制\n\n08:15.250 --> 08:41.714\n這個我們足以我們授權我們這個行政機關做國家安全的相關的審查嗎當然我想說站在金管會他本質上是在因為他是上市會公司交易這資本市場交易的主管機關這部分我們必須要配合其他更專業的單位來做這件事情好院長這個事實上監察院在111年2月9號調查報告就直接說我們現在這個機制是完全不足的\n\n08:42.506 --> 09:11.083\n我們現在目前的這些審查其實是不夠的應該要做制度上面的一些設定我們現在現行制度對我們大量持股的部分我們申報規範我們把非公開發行的跟公開發行的我們把它分開公司把它分開有關於公開發行的部分我們有一些事前的申報義務定期的申報義務這些內部的部分外部人的部分也有外部人要被動受理申報的機制\n\n09:12.524 --> 09:35.584\n這些機制我個人認為都不足我來參考外國的制度我們來看看外國我講我們現在雙軌制事實上外國沒有雙軌制他們只有一個單一的關注就是國家安全所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例因為他們兩個是資本市場的買方這部分我們不談我們看看歐盟\n\n09:37.332 --> 10:01.829\n歐盟事實上在這個2017年5月他就通過一個股東的權力執行條例他直接讓公司隨時可以要求辨識這個股東他的最終受益人跟他的執行受益人這些他就可以辨識而且他要求他的成員國都國內法化現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了這是歐盟的做法在英國的相關的系統包括英國包括澳洲包括新加坡包括香港\n\n10:03.344 --> 10:28.181\n他們過去這樣子的英美法系的這些系統他們都是明文立法的他們明文立法就是這些公司還有這個監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人這都在英國、澳洲、新加坡這些都是這樣做那至少我們看臨近的日本跟我們最接近臨近的日本過去當然跟我們很類似但是他們事實上他們在今年日本在今年的這個\n\n10:32.482 --> 10:53.120\n日本在今年的4月23日就上個禮拜他們的法務大臣的一個諮詢單位叫做法治審議會他們裡面的公司法小組他們就已經這個會議他們就已經決定他們要開始創設實質股東確認的制度這個在日本上個禮拜也做這個確定他們開始立法要開始做了那我們台灣呢\n\n10:54.721 --> 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院長這個事實上監察院在111年2月9號調查報告就直接說我們現在這個機制是完全不足的"},{"start":522.506,"end":551.083,"text":"我們現在目前的這些審查其實是不夠的應該要做制度上面的一些設定我們現在現行制度對我們大量持股的部分我們申報規範我們把非公開發行的跟公開發行的我們把它分開公司把它分開有關於公開發行的部分我們有一些事前的申報義務定期的申報義務這些內部的部分外部人的部分也有外部人要被動受理申報的機制"},{"start":552.524,"end":575.584,"text":"這些機制我個人認為都不足我來參考外國的制度我們來看看外國我講我們現在雙軌制事實上外國沒有雙軌制他們只有一個單一的關注就是國家安全所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例因為他們兩個是資本市場的買方這部分我們不談我們看看歐盟"},{"start":577.332,"end":601.829,"text":"歐盟事實上在這個2017年5月他就通過一個股東的權力執行條例他直接讓公司隨時可以要求辨識這個股東他的最終受益人跟他的執行受益人這些他就可以辨識而且他要求他的成員國都國內法化現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了這是歐盟的做法在英國的相關的系統包括英國包括澳洲包括新加坡包括香港"},{"start":603.344,"end":628.181,"text":"他們過去這樣子的英美法系的這些系統他們都是明文立法的他們明文立法就是這些公司還有這個監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人這都在英國、澳洲、新加坡這些都是這樣做那至少我們看臨近的日本跟我們最接近臨近的日本過去當然跟我們很類似但是他們事實上他們在今年日本在今年的這個"},{"start":632.482,"end":653.12,"text":"日本在今年的4月23日就上個禮拜他們的法務大臣的一個諮詢單位叫做法治審議會他們裡面的公司法小組他們就已經這個會議他們就已經決定他們要開始創設實質股東確認的制度這個在日本上個禮拜也做這個確定他們開始立法要開始做了那我們台灣呢"},{"start":654.721,"end":668.893,"text":"我現在講這些也是在這邊讓我們主委了解我會請院長能夠注意這些事情我們台灣要強化股東透明度的強化措施這個實在目前我們比較世界各國"},{"start":670.194,"end":689.418,"text":"我們實在是不足啦目前的法制實在不足這個部分我們請金管會是不是能夠請院長折騰我們金管會這邊我們這個會同相關的主管機關包括經濟部啦投誠會這些等等相關這些我們針對這些強化股東透明度的這個法制上面來做研究好不好來做研議朝這個方向來進行可以嗎院長"},{"start":689.98,"end":706.911,"text":"我覺得揭露實質或是最終受益人這是基本的條件那如果過去監察院對行政院有所的指正那我請金管會、經濟部、財政部相關單位我們參著監察院的意見我們做具體的改進好這部分再麻煩院長"},{"start":708.68,"end":728.855,"text":"還有一點點時間我想院長也記得我在去年的總諮詢另外我十月的時候我也到委員會特別跟彭主委這邊來請教有關於亞洲資產管理中心的問題這些問題我現在大概做幾個追蹤跟確認第一個有關TESA的部分就是我們台灣個人的投資儲蓄專戶TESA的部分"},{"start":735.62,"end":753.881,"text":"那時候彭主委有講說預計今年上半年要上路那現在上半年已經過了現在已經四月底了剩兩個月上半年可以上路嗎這裡我跟委員報告我們分兩階段一個是沒有租稅優惠讓利的那一部分確實我們已經做完你已經跟財政部舉雙手投降了"},{"start":755.022,"end":770.395,"text":"6月會上線這沒問題就是我們答應的第一階段那至於說那個有關我們的租稅優惠我還持續跟莊部長這邊做做密切的協商針對各種方案來做討論但至少我們6月可以上路對第一階段已經確定可以上路再來這個這個有關我們這個"},{"start":776.414,"end":790.524,"text":"有關這個亞洲資產管理中心我們地方資產管理專區的部分我們現在設在我看我們4月1號的時候這個月初我們公布了這個金融業申請進駐的示範辦法對這個地方資產管理專區的示範業務作業原則我們公布這個原則之後然後有開放這個38項的示範業務那我要問現在目前申請進駐的進度"},{"start":801.512,"end":829.92,"text":"現在現在加數是多少他的資產規模是多少現在的話我們總共在那次辦辦法也開放五種業態可以參加現在的話因為他有個條件要跟高雄市政府簽MOU現在15家有私人銀行會全部參加我想這部分15家對第一階段那接下來我們還開放了證券公司投信公司投顧公司還有保險公司所以他們陸續的會跟高雄市政府簽訂合約然後就可以"},{"start":830.06,"end":855.729,"text":"可以逐步的進駐我想這個尤其最重要的15家有私人銀行的銀行我想他們很快的會開始進行我們預計在7月就可以陸續的在那邊開始作業跟營運這個部分我也很期待那最後一個部分我那時候在總質詢的時候特別提到日本他們有關於日本州的這樣子的做法我們彭主委那時候也有說我們有關台灣州的我們今年10月會來舉辦我們現在"},{"start":858.67,"end":866.563,"text":"有招標了嗎我們10月已經跟我們相關的主辦的單位都把細節大概都已經研擬好大概時間也確定地點也確定了時間"},{"start":867.898,"end":892.128,"text":"大概十月中旬有什麼樣的核心活動那裡面內容非常多我再把那個細節再跟委員報告那這個月我時間也要到了但這部分我覺得這個亞洲市場管理中心這個是我們這個拜總統跟卓院長宣示的重大政策我覺得這個只能成功不能失敗所以這些進度相關的進度我希望能夠金管會那邊能夠確實掌握也請卓院長這邊要全力的"},{"start":895.33,"end":895.991,"text":"監督進行該進行的協調"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":921,"blocks":[["沈委員發惠：（11時51分）主席，我們請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：沈委員好。"],["沈委員發惠：院長午安。我看今天早上很多委員的質詢，大家都關心行政院院會上個禮拜所通過的因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例，還有昨天院長拜會各個黨團進行說明，剛剛的質詢當中也有很多國民黨的委員提到，因為我們的課稅收入優於預期，所以要求全民普發現金1萬元。剛剛院長都回答過一些問題，我就問一個最簡單的問題，我們目前這個強化韌性的特別條例跟特別預算編列了4,100億，為因應目前國際關稅局勢的相關措施以及強化國土安全韌性的4,100億預算，它跟普發1萬塊現金可以兼顧嗎？可以兩邊都做嗎？就是編列4,100億，同時又全民普發1萬塊現金，做得到嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：衡量國家目前的財政狀況以及實際上的需要，我們希望現在這個階段，面對國際貿易秩序的重整，要積沙成塔、積少成多……"],["沈委員發惠：院長，做得到嗎？我剛剛問的。"],["卓院長榮泰：所以國家的力量就放在這4,100億的因應國際情勢強化韌性……"],["沈委員發惠：也就是……"],["卓院長榮泰：普發現金應該不是現在最好的方式，我們沒有考慮這樣做。"],["沈委員發惠：簡單講就是沒有辦法，你沒有辦法又發1萬塊，又編列因應關稅強化韌性的預算。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，應該要集中力量，去面對產業的需求。"],["沈委員發惠：就是要取捨啦！簡單講就是要取捨，你發了1萬塊現金，你就沒有錢來做相關強化韌性的措施。"],["卓院長榮泰：那效益可能會更小。"],["沈委員發惠：對，你做了這個強化措施，就沒有錢來發1萬塊現金，這是需要取捨的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["沈委員發惠：這就跟一個家庭一樣，好像今年景氣比較好，賺的錢比我預期的還要多，我就可以說全家人大家把錢分掉，一人可以分到多少，這是一種持家的方式；另外一種持家的方式是，我看今年可能有一些狀況、景氣不太好，我們是不是先拿一些錢去還貸款，然後拿一些錢來做避險。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["沈委員發惠：所以在取捨裡面，到底要取捨哪一樣，我想當然一個是政府的政策，第二個，我想這是一個選擇。對於這個選擇，我看剛剛國民黨委員也非常……大家講普發1萬塊之後，然後馬上就問各個產業、各行各業，臺灣受到川普關稅的衝擊，對他們的衝擊有多大，政府有沒有因應。那你又要發現金，又要政府來做因應，這顯然是做不到，更何況國民黨還提出特別條例，要求普發現金要常態化，以後只要稅收優於預期就要普發現金，我認為值得國人深思。"],["卓院長榮泰：這非常不宜，這樣會把整個國家財政固定化，僵化以後未來變動靈活性會變得很小。"],["沈委員發惠：現在一人分1萬大家笑哈哈，接下來萬一通貨膨脹，萬一對企業衝擊太大提升失業率，你連工作都沒有，我覺得這是政策取捨，值得國人深思……"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["沈委員發惠：這是第一個問題。第二個問題，有一些政策的部分請院長參酌，有一些部分金管會如果了解，也請金管會彭主委能夠補充。在全球化浪潮下，外資可以當作是一個國家經濟自由化跟競爭力的重要指標，但是外資雖然可以增加國家的經濟發展，也有可能造成國內產業一些負面的影響，尤其是近年來中國大陸的企業常常透過敵意併購的方式併吞各國的企業，造成很多亂象，引起很多國家的忌憚，這是全世界的狀況，這些國家很多都針對中國的資金啟動國家安全的審查機制，以國家安全的審查程序作為外資要進入國家的一個安全法，這是目前全世界常見的情況。臺灣近年來，尤其最近也發生很多在股票市場、在金融市場有假外資、真陸資的情況，甚至有可能要進行敵意併購的情勢、違法登臺的情勢。這部分因為涉及要如何兼顧投資的自由化，同時又要保障國家安全，在制度面上我希望跟院長、主委做一些討論，","目前我知道國家對於僑外資、陸資來臺灣投資有區分開，在法令限制上面大概區分兩種，一種是一般性的投資，一種是專門性的投資，是兩種不一樣的法令規範。這兩種不一樣的法令規範裡面，有關於一般性投資的部分，臺灣目前是採雙軌制，僑外資一軌、陸資一軌，分開兩個不一樣的規範，這個情況全世界大概只有臺灣有，其他國家大概是把所有非國內的資金都一律用國家安全審查機制審查，我們特別分開僑外資跟陸資，這是目前雙軌制的狀況。當然我也肯定過去這段時間，有關於這些外資、僑外資背後是不是假中資的這些問題，經濟部的投審會、金管會都有在把關，但是很多情況因為我們現在的制度設計、現在的法制規範是不是真的能夠防止漏洞，是不是真的能夠防範紅色資本的入侵，這部分有點曠日廢時，有的等你做完公司都已經被掏空，人家做完一陣子、已經跑了，那時候才做出來，這是目前法制上面的問題，這部分是不是請彭主委說明一下目前相關的機制？"],["彭主任委員金隆：是，謝謝。確實誠如委員講，我們對外資投入臺灣的上市櫃公司本來就有分兩個軌，我們對中資或陸資的部分有做更加強的管控，比如說，第一個，錢進來是經濟部投審會會有管控，對所謂保管銀行的部分我們嚴格要求要做好KYC……"],["沈委員發惠：對，這是金融的部分，彭主委我現在要談的重點是，現在的審查機制你覺得足夠了嗎？我們現在的審查機制足以授權行政機關做國家安全相關的審查嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：因為金管會本質上是上市櫃公司在資本市場交易的主管機關，這部分我們必須要配合其他更專業的單位來做這件事情。"],["沈委員發惠：好。院長，監察院在111年2月9號的調查報告直接說，我們現在這些審查機制是完全不足的，應該要做制度上的一些設定。對大量持股的部分，我們現行的申報規範是把非公開發行跟公開發行的分開，有關公開發行的部分，內部會有一些事前定期的申報義務，外部人也有被動受理申報的機制，這些機制我個人認為都不足。","我來參考外國的制度，我們現在是雙軌制，事實上外國沒有雙軌制，他們唯一關注就是國家安全，所以我們先排除美國跟中國這兩個特例，因為他們是資本市場的買方，這部分我們不談。","我們看看歐盟，在2017年5月通過一個股東的權利指引條例，讓公司隨時可以要求辨識股東，即他的最終受益人跟實質受益人，而且要求他的成員國都國內法化，現在荷蘭已經都國內法化了，這是歐盟的作法。在英國相關的系統，包括英國、澳洲、新加坡、香港，他們過去都是英美法系的這些系統，他們明文立法這些公司還有監督的機構都應該要揭露實質的受益人跟最終的受益人，在英國、澳洲、新加坡都是這樣做。我們看鄰近的日本，日本過去當然跟我們很類似，但是在今年4月23日（上禮拜），日本的法務大臣有一個諮詢單位叫做「法制審議會」，他們裡面的公司法小組的會議已經決定要開始創設實質股東確認的制度，上個禮拜日本確定要開始立法。那我們臺灣呢？","我講這些是要讓主委了解，我也請院長能注意這些事情。臺灣要強化股東透明度的這些強化措施，比較世界各國，我們目前的法制實在不足，這個部分是不是能夠請院長責成金管會會同相關的主管機關，包括經濟部、投審會等等，來針對強化股東透明度的法制上來研究、研議，朝這個方向來進行，院長，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我覺得揭露實質或是最終受益人，這是基本的條件。如果過去監察院對行政院有所指正，那我請金管會、經濟部、財政部相關單位，我們參酌監察院的意見，我們做具體的改進。"],["沈委員發惠：好，這部分再麻煩院長。還有一點時間，我想院長記得我在去年的總質詢有提，另外，我10月的時候也到委員會特別跟彭主委來請教有關於亞洲資產管理中心的問題，這些問題我現在做幾個追蹤跟確認。","第一個，有關TISA的部分，就是臺灣個人的資產投資儲蓄專戶，那時候彭主委有講預計今年上半年要上路，現在已經4月底了，離上半年剩2個月，所以上半年可以上路嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：跟委員報告，我們分兩階段，一個是沒有租稅優惠、讓利的那一部分，確實我們已經做完，6月……"],["沈委員發惠：你已經跟財政部舉雙手投降了，是嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：6月會上線，就是我們答應的第一階段這沒問題。至於有關我們的租稅優惠，我持續跟莊部長做密切的協商，針對各種方案來討論。"],["沈委員發惠：但至少我們6月可以上路？"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，第一階段已經確定可以上路。"],["沈委員發惠：再來，有關亞洲資產管理中心的地方資產管理專區的部分，我看這個月初4月1號的時候，你們公布了「金融業申請進駐地方資產管理專區試辦業務作業原則」，我們公布這個原則之後，有開放38項的試辦業務。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的。"],["沈委員發惠：我要問，目前申請進駐的進度如何？有多少家數？他的資產規模是多少？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們總共在試辦辦法中開放了五種業態可以參加，因為它有個條件是要跟高雄市政府簽MOU，現在15家有私人銀行的銀行會全部參加，這是第一階段。接下來我們還開放了證券公司、投信公司、投顧公司，還有保險公司，他們陸續會跟高雄市政府簽訂合約，然後就可以逐步的進駐。尤其最重要的15家有私人銀行的銀行，我想他們很快的會開始進行，我們預計在7月就可以陸續的在那邊開始作業和營運。"],["沈委員發惠：好，這個部分我也很期待。","最後一部分，我那時候在總質詢的時候特別提到日本有關於日本週的作法，彭主委那時候也有說臺灣週的部分你們會研議、你們會做。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，我們今年10月會來舉辦。"],["沈委員發惠：現在有招標了嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們10月已經跟相關的主辦單位把細節大概都已經研擬好，時間確定了，地點也確定了。"],["沈委員發惠：時間？"],["彭主任委員金隆：大概10月中旬。"],["沈委員發惠：有什麼樣核心的活動？"],["彭主任委員金隆：內容非常多，我再把細節跟委員報告。"],["沈委員發惠：好，我的時間也要到了。亞洲資產管理中心是我們賴總統跟卓院長宣示的重大政策，我覺得只能成功不能失敗，所以相關進度，我希望金管會能夠確實掌握。"],["彭主任委員金隆：這沒問題。"],["沈委員發惠：也請卓院長全力的監督，進行該進行的協調。"],["卓院長榮泰：是，謝謝委員。"],["沈委員發惠：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝沈發惠委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及部會首長的備詢。","報告院會，上午的質詢到此為止，下午2點15分處理臨時提案，下午2點30分繼續進行財政組之質詢，現在休息。","休息（12時6分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","廖偉翔","顏寬恒","李彥秀","陳玉珍","馬文君","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","牛煦庭","黃珊珊","鍾佳濱","吳秉叡","沈發惠","許宇甄","李昆澤","林思銘","葛如鈞","許智傑","林倩綺","蔡其昌","吳沛憶","李坤城","丁學忠","劉書彬"],"page_start":99,"meetingDate":["2025-04-29"],"gazette_id":"1143901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143901_00004","1143901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143901_00004"}}}