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--> 00:00:23,752\n院長好院長今天昆哲委員生日我們還是要祝哲瀾生日我們在這裡掌聲祝福李昆哲委員生日生日快樂雖然我沒有再過生日但是也謝謝兩位院長不好意思卓院長提醒我應該是我主動對不起合作無間請執行對不起卓院長好\n\n2\n00:00:25,916 --> 00:00:44,433\n勞保是國家最重要的社會保險今年的二月底全國已經有超過1045萬人投勞保勞保對於勞工是最重要最基本的一個保障\n\n3\n00:00:45,054 --> 00:00:54,097\n那2025年勞保的財務精算報告也提出說因為政府連續6年的撥補總共撥補的金額是3870億所以讓這個勞保的財務出現負值的這樣一個狀況要到2031年才會出現那政府的撥補從2020年開始從200億2021年220億那2022年\n\n4\n00:01:16,725 --> 00:01:29,134\n300億持續的撥補到2024、2025都是撥補1200億也謝謝卓院長在支持勞工的這樣一個基本保障也出了相當大的一個心力\n\n5\n00:01:30,117 --> 00:01:49,097\n那現在我們的這個勞保的財務狀況勞保的財務報告他也明確的指出勞保的撥補必須要持續而且要加大力道來撥補因為他會讓民眾對於勞保更具有信心\n\n6\n00:01:49,758 --> 00:02:18,191\n第二也減少勞工朋友退休的時候要一次領的這種狀況而且對於勞保的財務安全以及國家要落實這樣的一個責任是幫助非常大我要請教院長我們對於勞保的這樣一個撥補當然現在我們受到有兩個狀況我們必須要去面對就是再也非理性的刪除預算我們的預算被刪除了兩千億\n\n7\n00:02:19,025 --> 00:02:42,310\n被凍結了一千三百億以上而且財政收支發分法也要撥出去三千七百五十三億當然啦我們這一次的勞保撥補並沒有在刪除預算之列但是這種非理性的刪除預算會讓我們擔憂第二個就是財化法三千七百五十三億出去之後各部會能夠\n\n8\n00:02:44,056 --> 00:03:02,718\n他們的相關的這種預算的能量至少都要減少三成以上28%到37%這對於撥補會不會有影響我要請教院長有兩個問題第一個會不會持續撥補第二個如果有撥補的話院長的初步的具體想法是什麼來請說明\n\n9\n00:03:04,339 --> 00:03:27,096\n好謝謝委員連續六年對勞保的撥補再加上疫後特別預算的300億一共是3870億那麼勞保是政府舉辦的社會保險政府負最終的責任而且是穩定社會跟穩定勞保財務的必要措施所以我們一樣會在未來的年度裡面是需要來進行撥補那這一次我們提出的\n\n10\n00:03:28,416 --> 00:03:53,590\n因應國際情勢的這個強化安全任性的特別條例其中也對勞保的撥補有排列了100億元我相信朝野各黨團對這個100億元也會跟其他的這個整個特別條例的預算一樣會來同意的支持因為這個也是穩定現在國內勞工朋友國內穩定勞工勞保的支出勞保的財務健全我認為這個是現在我們遇到的我們會繼續的撥補我更具體來請教院長\n\n11\n00:03:56,471 --> 00:04:16,439\n就是說2024、2025我們編了1200億那現在我們知道這樣的一個預算被凍結被刪除或是財化法新版的通過之後對中央政府的這樣的一個預算的能量降低了大約三成左右那如果是1200億的話會不會減少到800億元以下的這樣一個撥款的補助會不會呢\n\n12\n00:04:23,477 --> 00:04:39,620\n這個是有可能的因為整個財政收支發放法將中央拿出了三千多億之後我們的財政能力當然是降低的所以我們現在在尋求能不能用更合理的方式在憲政的基礎底下恢復或是維持中央的財政能力\n\n13\n00:04:40,501 --> 00:05:07,077\n必須持續的撥補而且這是國家最終致富責任這是我們對勞工最基本的一個承諾謝謝院長全力的支持第二個是有關於謝謝院長我們在凱米颱風跟山陀爾颱風造成高雄南部地區嚴重的這樣一個衝擊當然院長也到典寶溪也到廷政國小也到寶越理智宏池多次的勘栽而且提供了46億\n\n14\n00:05:09,158 --> 00:05:35,223\n讓高雄市能夠去改善相關的排水相關的雨水地下道的系統功能的提升或者是相關災後重建的這些防水水利的工程謝謝院長在第一時間讓高雄的防災的防汛的能量能夠韌性的加強那現在要請教院長就是說我們在過去每年的水閘門的補助大概\n\n15\n00:05:36,095 --> 00:05:48,085\n是預估大概都1000戶至1500戶左右但是因為去年的風災造成民眾對於防災意識的提升也對於這種\n\n16\n00:05:50,666 --> 00:06:09,598\n極端氣候瞬間暴雨的這種衝擊也擔憂所以今年從往年的一千戶一千五百戶的這樣一個預估今年已經有申請的已經超過四千三百九十五戶所以原本的預算大概要一億現在暴升到大概要三億\n\n17\n00:06:10,678 --> 00:06:21,772\n當然院長也非常的關心相關的不管是經濟部或內政部都有做初步的討論我們也請院長來關心來了解相關的進度跟狀況\n\n18\n00:06:22,964 --> 00:06:41,677\n好的我對於歷次水災受災的各個縣市的國人同胞我們都感到非常的不捨那也謝謝崑澤委員長期以來對高雄的受災的民眾持續的關懷尤其針對這個水閘門的補助一直強而有力的要求行政院跟各部會來做相關的補助\n\n19\n00:06:42,062 --> 00:07:01,050\n那現在這個經費算起來有3億左右3億多一點點那各部會現在還在核算還在進行它相關這個法定的程序當中我們認為應該再經過一段時間大家再做合理的溝通繼續努力讓它能夠實現謝謝院長先請院長回座位因為接下來我要問\n\n20\n00:07:02,851 --> 00:07:15,436\n鄭部長還有李部長相關比較具體的政策的細節請院長回座麻煩請教育部長備詢謝謝委員還有請教育部還有文化部麻煩請文化部長備詢請卓院長返回老師慢慢走沒關係\n\n21\n00:07:27,608 --> 00:07:47,117\n曾應耀部長是我練中山大學時候的社科院的院長也是我們的校長在這邊我還是要說一句老師好曾部長我先請教有關你科工館柏中你也是來自高雄所以你對科工館有深刻的感情跟印象因為啊\n\n22\n00:07:48,601 --> 00:08:11,263\n我特別要謝謝教育部還有行政院謝謝卓院長我們在今年把科工館相關的改建納入教育部的三大新興計畫之一那謝謝行政院認為他們支持這個計畫主要是認為這個計畫能夠提升南部地區科普力量的一個能量的提升\n\n23\n00:08:11,863 --> 00:08:35,902\n第二也有助於橫貧南北區域的一個平衡但是這個總經費是高達30億跟部長也多所討論當然我們知道現在國安會他有不同的意見他認為這個也包含衛福部教育部內政部高雄市政府有很多的議題必須提供更具體的這些補充的說明\n\n24\n00:08:36,702 --> 00:08:55,797\n而且這些在今年來看要納入工建計畫的這個時程也沒有辦法了那高雄的鄉親啊南部地區的民眾都非常關心科工館軟硬體改善的這樣的一個進度還有整體綠美化的一個提升因為\n\n25\n00:08:57,608 --> 00:09:13,623\n部長也非常清楚他的裡面都是水泥地啦那當然在客工館周遭最近都已經變化非常的大我們這個南館的部分鐵路地下化綠岩道也做好了然後民族\n\n26\n00:09:14,404 --> 00:09:36,228\n民主路橋機車道也拆除另外一邊的大順路橋也都拆除了而且在大順路的輕軌現在也已經通車那整體他的環境整個提升對於未來我們的學童我們的市民到科工館不管是科普教育或是相關的\n\n27\n00:09:36,648 --> 00:10:05,222\n一個熱靈的一個大家能夠老老少少到那邊休閒活動學習成長一個重要的空間那現在如果沒有納入這個公建的計畫裡面我認為部長應該提出更具體的說明當然國安會也希望我們的部的預算還有科工館的這種基金能夠來支付以及相關高雄市政府的自籌比例也必須要提升\n\n28\n00:10:07,523 --> 00:10:32,291\n這個計畫請部長來簡單說明一下謝謝委員關心確實科工館它是一個大高雄地區一個非常重要的一個科普的場域然後在人才培育或者在地區上的一些許多的提供樂齡的許多的這些遊戲休憩的一個空間它確實有非常大的一個效益那邊也因為財化法的一個關係啊所以我們在內部現在因為\n\n29\n00:10:33,429 --> 00:10:47,898\n國化會既然他希望能夠地方有一個承擔更大的一個責任在整體的一個規劃裡面也跟我們報告我們內部已經有討論請這個事實上當時的規劃就是教育部先給的一個規劃會但是我們現在希望\n\n30\n00:10:48,598 --> 00:11:18,054\n從不來把這樣一個改善有急迫性的、必要性的、利息性的一些因為科工館確實也29年了所以它裡邊的許多的長設的場館確實是比較老舊包含我們現在在談的AI智慧的程式這些的一些這個長設的展覽這個展區我們都希望從空間上做許多的改造包含許多的策展、布展上能夠真正的帶動一些新興科技\n\n31\n00:11:18,494 --> 00:11:31,951\n能夠讓這個科工館能夠扮演更好的一些社會教育在人才培育包括許多科普的一些這樣的一個學習場域所以我們目前大概也跟這個科工館的這個李館長提\n\n32\n00:11:35,535 --> 00:11:54,814\n我們希望在這樣一個重點事實上這兩天我們也跟館長有非常密切的一個討論那初步裡邊我們大概有一個四個重點計畫就是科工館的南館的一個活化計畫委員剛才也特別提到的北館的基礎建設因為許多的邊界\n\n33\n00:11:55,935 --> 00:12:17,871\n變電站許多的一些管路都老舊那這些怎麼樣去重新把它做一個更安全的一個的一個更新然後智慧城市的一個長色展示廳以及別館公共空間的許多的東西跟這個優化這些市民朋友來參觀的許多的這些動線我想我們都我事實上在\n\n34\n00:12:18,671 --> 00:12:40,460\n這一個今年也特別去看了一個整個科工館的一些裡邊的償還現在的現況確實跟30年前來比它確實已經有許多不符時宜包含委外的那個倡議我都希望他們重新打掉然後真正用一個更有開創性然後更有這個符合現代感的這樣的一個科工館能夠來重新來服務我們社會大眾\n\n35\n00:12:46,623 --> 00:12:59,472\n謝謝謝謝部長因為我們現在知道科工館他現在交通越來越便利鐵路地下化之後高鐵的車站就在旁邊嘛高雄的火車站就在旁邊然後民族路\n\n36\n00:13:01,134 --> 00:13:20,491\n黃線的捷運現在也在啟動也在動工大順路的輕軌也已經通車然後南館的鐵路地下化也已經順利完工相關的綠園道也做好那邊還有一個通勤車站民足站交通越來越便利所以現在假日很多的民眾市民到客工館之後\n\n37\n00:13:23,053 --> 00:13:37,678\n他們很希望到科工館讓孩子來接受相關的科普的教育而且對於相關的這個休閒空間他們有很大的一個期待改善的這樣的一個進展所以原本這個計畫是30億\n\n38\n00:13:39,438 --> 00:14:01,315\n當然我們針對相關各部門的一個初步的協調現在是新版的計畫大概是22億左右那相關的這個時程我們還是要逐一的去落實我認為他是可以分期來做完成剛才部長也初步的說明相關的時程以及改進的這個工程\n\n39\n00:14:02,605 --> 00:14:27,584\n我們對於相關的這些他當然還包含高雄市政府所期待的副用館的改建以及相關的設施成功全面的一個提升我認為這個是可以分期來做讓整個工程可以順利的進行請這個部長全力的督促我們現在跟委員報告我們確實是朝那個方向來努力那當然有許多跟\n\n40\n00:14:28,109 --> 00:14:51,522\n在地地方政府的地方建設怎麼樣去橋接有的那一些所謂的這個我們再來進行相關的協調謝謝鄭部長那最後時間我請教一下李部長高雄火車站舊火車站是1941年就完工啟用那當然經過鐵路地下化工程他先移到旁邊現在又移回到火車站的一個正門\n\n41\n00:14:52,222 --> 00:15:20,265\n但是它相關的這個修復的工程經費非常的龐大現在所有工程都做好了就只有這個舊火車站修復的工程初步的預算大概是要一億六千萬左右當然我們是希望文部大概按照過去大概能夠補助九千萬至六千萬那其實大概過去都補助四成左右那我們這個部分請部長簡單說明一下好謝謝委員那個高雄的\n\n42\n00:15:20,985 --> 00:15:47,536\n就我這段經過了20年的好謝謝壽星李昆哲委員的質詢謝謝卓院長跟各部會首長謝謝\n\n43\n00:15:51,431 --> 00:15:54,004\n接下来我们请林思明委员咨询\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6997\t23752\t院長好院長今天昆哲委員生日我們還是要祝哲瀾生日我們在這裡掌聲祝福李昆哲委員生日生日快樂雖然我沒有再過生日但是也謝謝兩位院長不好意思 卓院長提醒我應該是我主動 對不起合作無間請執行 對不起卓院長好\n25916\t44433\t勞保是國家最重要的社會保險今年的二月底全國已經有超過1045萬人投勞保勞保對於勞工是最重要最基本的一個保障\n45054\t54097\t那2025年勞保的財務精算報告也提出說因為政府連續6年的撥補總共撥補的金額是3870億所以讓這個勞保的財務出現負值的這樣一個狀況要到2031年才會出現那政府的撥補從2020年開始從200億2021年220億那2022年\n76725\t89134\t300億持續的撥補到2024、2025都是撥補1200億也謝謝卓院長在支持勞工的這樣一個基本保障也出了相當大的一個心力\n90117\t109097\t那現在我們的這個勞保的財務狀況勞保的財務報告他也明確的指出勞保的撥補必須要持續而且要加大力道來撥補因為他會讓民眾對於勞保更具有信心\n109758\t138191\t第二也減少勞工朋友退休的時候要一次領的這種狀況而且對於勞保的財務安全以及國家要落實這樣的一個責任是幫助非常大我要請教院長我們對於勞保的這樣一個撥補當然現在我們受到有兩個狀況我們必須要去面對就是再也非理性的刪除預算我們的預算被刪除了兩千億\n139025\t162310\t被凍結了一千三百億以上而且財政收支發分法也要撥出去三千七百五十三億當然啦 我們這一次的勞保撥補並沒有在刪除預算之列但是這種非理性的刪除預算會讓我們擔憂第二個就是財化法三千七百五十三億出去之後各部會能夠\n164056\t182718\t他們的相關的這種預算的能量至少都要減少三成以上28%到37%這對於撥補會不會有影響我要請教院長有兩個問題第一個會不會持續撥補第二個如果有撥補的話院長的初步的具體想法是什麼來請說明\n184339\t207096\t好 謝謝委員連續六年對勞保的撥補再加上疫後特別預算的300億一共是3870億那麼勞保是政府舉辦的社會保險政府負最終的責任而且是穩定社會跟穩定勞保財務的必要措施所以我們一樣會在未來的年度裡面是需要來進行撥補那這一次我們提出的\n208416\t233590\t因應國際情勢的這個強化安全任性的特別條例其中也對勞保的撥補有排列了100億元我相信朝野各黨團對這個100億元也會跟其他的這個整個特別條例的預算一樣會來同意的支持因為這個也是穩定現在國內勞工朋友國內穩定勞工勞保的支出勞保的財務健全我認為這個是現在我們遇到的我們會繼續的撥補我更具體來請教院長\n236471\t256439\t就是說2024、2025我們編了1200億那現在我們知道這樣的一個預算被凍結被刪除或是財化法新版的通過之後對中央政府的這樣的一個預算的能量降低了大約三成左右那如果是1200億的話會不會減少到800億元以下的這樣一個撥款的補助會不會呢\n263477\t279620\t這個是有可能的因為整個財政收支發放法將中央拿出了三千多億之後我們的財政能力當然是降低的所以我們現在在尋求能不能用更合理的方式在憲政的基礎底下恢復或是維持中央的財政能力\n280501\t307077\t必須持續的撥補而且這是國家最終致富責任這是我們對勞工最基本的一個承諾謝謝院長全力的支持第二個是有關於謝謝院長我們在凱米颱風跟山陀爾颱風造成高雄南部地區嚴重的這樣一個衝擊當然院長也到典寶溪也到廷政國小也到寶越理智宏池多次的勘栽而且提供了46億\n309158\t335223\t讓高雄市能夠去改善相關的排水相關的雨水地下道的系統功能的提升或者是相關災後重建的這些防水水利的工程謝謝院長在第一時間讓高雄的防災的防汛的能量能夠韌性的加強那現在要請教院長就是說我們在過去每年的水閘門的補助大概\n336095\t348085\t是預估大概都1000戶至1500戶左右但是因為去年的風災造成民眾對於防災意識的提升也對於這種\n350666\t369598\t極端氣候瞬間暴雨的這種衝擊也擔憂所以今年從往年的一千戶一千五百戶的這樣一個預估今年已經有申請的已經超過四千三百九十五戶所以原本的預算大概要一億現在暴升到大概要三億\n370678\t381772\t當然院長也非常的關心相關的不管是經濟部或內政部都有做初步的討論我們也請院長來關心來了解相關的進度跟狀況\n382964\t401677\t好的 我對於歷次水災受災的各個縣市的國人同胞我們都感到非常的不捨那也謝謝崑澤委員長期以來對高雄的受災的民眾持續的關懷尤其針對這個水閘門的補助一直強而有力的要求行政院跟各部會來做相關的補助\n402062\t421050\t那現在這個經費算起來有3億左右3億多一點點那各部會現在還在核算還在進行它相關這個法定的程序當中我們認為應該再經過一段時間大家再做合理的溝通繼續努力讓它能夠實現謝謝院長先請院長回座位因為接下來我要問\n422851\t435436\t鄭部長還有李部長相關比較具體的政策的細節請院長回座麻煩請教育部長備詢謝謝委員還有請教育部還有文化部麻煩請文化部長備詢請卓院長返回老師慢慢走沒關係\n447608\t467117\t曾應耀部長是我練中山大學時候的社科院的院長也是我們的校長在這邊我還是要說一句老師好曾部長我先請教有關你科工館柏中你也是來自高雄所以你對科工館有深刻的感情跟印象因為啊\n468601\t491263\t我特別要謝謝教育部還有行政院謝謝卓院長我們在今年把科工館相關的改建納入教育部的三大新興計畫之一那謝謝行政院認為他們支持這個計畫主要是認為這個計畫能夠提升南部地區科普力量的一個能量的提升\n491863\t515902\t第二也有助於橫貧南北區域的一個平衡但是這個總經費是高達30億跟部長也多所討論當然我們知道現在國安會他有不同的意見他認為這個也包含衛福部教育部內政部高雄市政府有很多的議題必須提供更具體的這些補充的說明\n516702\t535797\t而且這些在今年來看要納入工建計畫的這個時程也沒有辦法了那高雄的鄉親啊南部地區的民眾都非常關心科工館軟硬體改善的這樣的一個進度還有整體綠美化的一個提升因為\n537608\t553623\t部長也非常清楚他的裡面都是水泥地啦那當然在客工館周遭最近都已經變化非常的大我們這個南館的部分鐵路地下化綠岩道也做好了然後民族\n554404\t576228\t民主路橋機車道也拆除另外一邊的大順路橋也都拆除了而且在大順路的輕軌現在也已經通車那整體他的環境整個提升對於未來我們的學童我們的市民到科工館不管是科普教育或是相關的\n576648\t605222\t一個熱靈的一個大家能夠老老少少到那邊休閒活動學習成長一個重要的空間那現在如果沒有納入這個公建的計畫裡面我認為部長應該提出更具體的說明當然國安會也希望我們的部的預算還有科工館的這種基金能夠來支付以及相關高雄市政府的自籌比例也必須要提升\n607523\t632291\t這個計畫 請部長來簡單說明一下謝謝委員關心 確實科工館它是一個大高雄地區一個非常重要的一個科普的場域然後在人才培育或者在地區上的一些許多的提供樂齡的 許多的這些遊戲 休憩的一個空間它確實有非常大的一個效益那邊也因為財化法的一個關係啊所以我們在內部 現在因為\n633429\t647898\t國化會既然他希望能夠地方有一個承擔更大的一個責任在整體的一個規劃裡面也跟我們報告我們內部已經有討論請這個事實上當時的規劃就是教育部先給的一個規劃會但是我們現在希望\n648598\t678054\t從不來把這樣一個改善有急迫性的、必要性的、利息性的一些因為科工館確實也29年了所以它裡邊的許多的長設的場館確實是比較老舊包含我們現在在談的AI智慧的程式這些的一些這個長設的展覽這個展區我們都希望從空間上做許多的改造包含許多的策展、布展上能夠真正的帶動一些新興科技\n678494\t691951\t能夠讓這個科工館能夠扮演更好的一些社會教育在人才培育包括許多科普的一些這樣的一個學習場域所以我們目前大概也跟這個科工館的這個李館長提\n695535\t714814\t我們希望在這樣一個重點事實上這兩天我們也跟館長有非常密切的一個討論那初步裡邊我們大概有一個四個重點計畫就是科工館的南館的一個活化計畫委員剛才也特別提到的北館的基礎建設因為許多的邊界\n715935\t737871\t變電站許多的一些管路都老舊那這些怎麼樣去重新把它做一個更安全的一個的一個更新然後智慧城市的一個長色展示廳以及別館公共空間的許多的東西跟這個優化這些市民朋友來參觀的許多的這些動線我想我們都我事實上在\n738671\t760460\t這一個今年也特別去看了一個整個科工館的一些裡邊的償還現在的現況確實跟30年前來比它確實已經有許多不符時宜包含委外的那個倡議我都希望他們重新打掉然後真正用一個更有開創性然後更有這個符合現代感的這樣的一個科工館能夠來重新來服務我們社會大眾\n766623\t779472\t謝謝謝謝部長因為我們現在知道科工館他現在交通越來越便利鐵路地下化之後高鐵的車站就在旁邊嘛高雄的火車站就在旁邊然後民族路\n781134\t800491\t黃線的捷運現在也在啟動也在動工大順路的輕軌也已經通車然後南館的鐵路地下化也已經順利完工相關的綠園道也做好那邊還有一個通勤車站民足站交通越來越便利所以現在假日很多的民眾市民到客工館之後\n803053\t817678\t他們很希望到科工館讓孩子來接受相關的科普的教育而且對於相關的這個休閒空間他們有很大的一個期待改善的這樣的一個進展所以原本這個計畫是30億\n819438\t841315\t當然我們針對相關各部門的一個初步的協調現在是新版的計畫大概是22億左右那相關的這個時程我們還是要逐一的去落實我認為他是可以分期來做完成剛才部長也初步的說明相關的時程以及改進的這個工程\n842605\t867584\t我們對於相關的這些他當然還包含高雄市政府所期待的副用館的改建以及相關的設施成功全面的一個提升我認為這個是可以分期來做讓整個工程可以順利的進行請這個部長全力的督促我們現在跟委員報告我們確實是朝那個方向來努力那當然有許多跟\n868109\t891522\t在地地方政府的地方建設怎麼樣去橋接有的那一些所謂的這個我們再來進行相關的協調謝謝鄭部長那最後時間我請教一下李部長高雄火車站舊火車站是1941年就完工啟用那當然經過鐵路地下化工程他先移到旁邊現在又移回到火車站的一個正門\n892222\t920265\t但是它相關的這個修復的工程經費非常的龐大現在所有工程都做好了就只有這個舊火車站修復的工程初步的預算大概是要一億六千萬左右當然我們是希望文部大概按照過去大概能夠補助九千萬至六千萬那其實大概過去都補助四成左右那我們這個部分請部長簡單說明一下好 謝謝委員那個高雄的\n920985\t947536\t就我這段經過了20年的好 謝謝壽星李昆哲委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長跟各部會首長 謝謝\n951431\t954004\t接下来我们请林思明委员咨询\n","txt":"院長好院長今天昆哲委員生日我們還是要祝哲瀾生日我們在這裡掌聲祝福李昆哲委員生日生日快樂雖然我沒有再過生日但是也謝謝兩位院長不好意思 卓院長提醒我應該是我主動 對不起合作無間請執行 對不起卓院長好\n勞保是國家最重要的社會保險今年的二月底全國已經有超過1045萬人投勞保勞保對於勞工是最重要最基本的一個保障\n那2025年勞保的財務精算報告也提出說因為政府連續6年的撥補總共撥補的金額是3870億所以讓這個勞保的財務出現負值的這樣一個狀況要到2031年才會出現那政府的撥補從2020年開始從200億2021年220億那2022年\n300億持續的撥補到2024、2025都是撥補1200億也謝謝卓院長在支持勞工的這樣一個基本保障也出了相當大的一個心力\n那現在我們的這個勞保的財務狀況勞保的財務報告他也明確的指出勞保的撥補必須要持續而且要加大力道來撥補因為他會讓民眾對於勞保更具有信心\n第二也減少勞工朋友退休的時候要一次領的這種狀況而且對於勞保的財務安全以及國家要落實這樣的一個責任是幫助非常大我要請教院長我們對於勞保的這樣一個撥補當然現在我們受到有兩個狀況我們必須要去面對就是再也非理性的刪除預算我們的預算被刪除了兩千億\n被凍結了一千三百億以上而且財政收支發分法也要撥出去三千七百五十三億當然啦 我們這一次的勞保撥補並沒有在刪除預算之列但是這種非理性的刪除預算會讓我們擔憂第二個就是財化法三千七百五十三億出去之後各部會能夠\n他們的相關的這種預算的能量至少都要減少三成以上28%到37%這對於撥補會不會有影響我要請教院長有兩個問題第一個會不會持續撥補第二個如果有撥補的話院長的初步的具體想法是什麼來請說明\n好 謝謝委員連續六年對勞保的撥補再加上疫後特別預算的300億一共是3870億那麼勞保是政府舉辦的社會保險政府負最終的責任而且是穩定社會跟穩定勞保財務的必要措施所以我們一樣會在未來的年度裡面是需要來進行撥補那這一次我們提出的\n因應國際情勢的這個強化安全任性的特別條例其中也對勞保的撥補有排列了100億元我相信朝野各黨團對這個100億元也會跟其他的這個整個特別條例的預算一樣會來同意的支持因為這個也是穩定現在國內勞工朋友國內穩定勞工勞保的支出勞保的財務健全我認為這個是現在我們遇到的我們會繼續的撥補我更具體來請教院長\n就是說2024、2025我們編了1200億那現在我們知道這樣的一個預算被凍結被刪除或是財化法新版的通過之後對中央政府的這樣的一個預算的能量降低了大約三成左右那如果是1200億的話會不會減少到800億元以下的這樣一個撥款的補助會不會呢\n這個是有可能的因為整個財政收支發放法將中央拿出了三千多億之後我們的財政能力當然是降低的所以我們現在在尋求能不能用更合理的方式在憲政的基礎底下恢復或是維持中央的財政能力\n必須持續的撥補而且這是國家最終致富責任這是我們對勞工最基本的一個承諾謝謝院長全力的支持第二個是有關於謝謝院長我們在凱米颱風跟山陀爾颱風造成高雄南部地區嚴重的這樣一個衝擊當然院長也到典寶溪也到廷政國小也到寶越理智宏池多次的勘栽而且提供了46億\n讓高雄市能夠去改善相關的排水相關的雨水地下道的系統功能的提升或者是相關災後重建的這些防水水利的工程謝謝院長在第一時間讓高雄的防災的防汛的能量能夠韌性的加強那現在要請教院長就是說我們在過去每年的水閘門的補助大概\n是預估大概都1000戶至1500戶左右但是因為去年的風災造成民眾對於防災意識的提升也對於這種\n極端氣候瞬間暴雨的這種衝擊也擔憂所以今年從往年的一千戶一千五百戶的這樣一個預估今年已經有申請的已經超過四千三百九十五戶所以原本的預算大概要一億現在暴升到大概要三億\n當然院長也非常的關心相關的不管是經濟部或內政部都有做初步的討論我們也請院長來關心來了解相關的進度跟狀況\n好的 我對於歷次水災受災的各個縣市的國人同胞我們都感到非常的不捨那也謝謝崑澤委員長期以來對高雄的受災的民眾持續的關懷尤其針對這個水閘門的補助一直強而有力的要求行政院跟各部會來做相關的補助\n那現在這個經費算起來有3億左右3億多一點點那各部會現在還在核算還在進行它相關這個法定的程序當中我們認為應該再經過一段時間大家再做合理的溝通繼續努力讓它能夠實現謝謝院長先請院長回座位因為接下來我要問\n鄭部長還有李部長相關比較具體的政策的細節請院長回座麻煩請教育部長備詢謝謝委員還有請教育部還有文化部麻煩請文化部長備詢請卓院長返回老師慢慢走沒關係\n曾應耀部長是我練中山大學時候的社科院的院長也是我們的校長在這邊我還是要說一句老師好曾部長我先請教有關你科工館柏中你也是來自高雄所以你對科工館有深刻的感情跟印象因為啊\n我特別要謝謝教育部還有行政院謝謝卓院長我們在今年把科工館相關的改建納入教育部的三大新興計畫之一那謝謝行政院認為他們支持這個計畫主要是認為這個計畫能夠提升南部地區科普力量的一個能量的提升\n第二也有助於橫貧南北區域的一個平衡但是這個總經費是高達30億跟部長也多所討論當然我們知道現在國安會他有不同的意見他認為這個也包含衛福部教育部內政部高雄市政府有很多的議題必須提供更具體的這些補充的說明\n而且這些在今年來看要納入工建計畫的這個時程也沒有辦法了那高雄的鄉親啊南部地區的民眾都非常關心科工館軟硬體改善的這樣的一個進度還有整體綠美化的一個提升因為\n部長也非常清楚他的裡面都是水泥地啦那當然在客工館周遭最近都已經變化非常的大我們這個南館的部分鐵路地下化綠岩道也做好了然後民族\n民主路橋機車道也拆除另外一邊的大順路橋也都拆除了而且在大順路的輕軌現在也已經通車那整體他的環境整個提升對於未來我們的學童我們的市民到科工館不管是科普教育或是相關的\n一個熱靈的一個大家能夠老老少少到那邊休閒活動學習成長一個重要的空間那現在如果沒有納入這個公建的計畫裡面我認為部長應該提出更具體的說明當然國安會也希望我們的部的預算還有科工館的這種基金能夠來支付以及相關高雄市政府的自籌比例也必須要提升\n這個計畫 請部長來簡單說明一下謝謝委員關心 確實科工館它是一個大高雄地區一個非常重要的一個科普的場域然後在人才培育或者在地區上的一些許多的提供樂齡的 許多的這些遊戲 休憩的一個空間它確實有非常大的一個效益那邊也因為財化法的一個關係啊所以我們在內部 現在因為\n國化會既然他希望能夠地方有一個承擔更大的一個責任在整體的一個規劃裡面也跟我們報告我們內部已經有討論請這個事實上當時的規劃就是教育部先給的一個規劃會但是我們現在希望\n從不來把這樣一個改善有急迫性的、必要性的、利息性的一些因為科工館確實也29年了所以它裡邊的許多的長設的場館確實是比較老舊包含我們現在在談的AI智慧的程式這些的一些這個長設的展覽這個展區我們都希望從空間上做許多的改造包含許多的策展、布展上能夠真正的帶動一些新興科技\n能夠讓這個科工館能夠扮演更好的一些社會教育在人才培育包括許多科普的一些這樣的一個學習場域所以我們目前大概也跟這個科工館的這個李館長提\n我們希望在這樣一個重點事實上這兩天我們也跟館長有非常密切的一個討論那初步裡邊我們大概有一個四個重點計畫就是科工館的南館的一個活化計畫委員剛才也特別提到的北館的基礎建設因為許多的邊界\n變電站許多的一些管路都老舊那這些怎麼樣去重新把它做一個更安全的一個的一個更新然後智慧城市的一個長色展示廳以及別館公共空間的許多的東西跟這個優化這些市民朋友來參觀的許多的這些動線我想我們都我事實上在\n這一個今年也特別去看了一個整個科工館的一些裡邊的償還現在的現況確實跟30年前來比它確實已經有許多不符時宜包含委外的那個倡議我都希望他們重新打掉然後真正用一個更有開創性然後更有這個符合現代感的這樣的一個科工館能夠來重新來服務我們社會大眾\n謝謝謝謝部長因為我們現在知道科工館他現在交通越來越便利鐵路地下化之後高鐵的車站就在旁邊嘛高雄的火車站就在旁邊然後民族路\n黃線的捷運現在也在啟動也在動工大順路的輕軌也已經通車然後南館的鐵路地下化也已經順利完工相關的綠園道也做好那邊還有一個通勤車站民足站交通越來越便利所以現在假日很多的民眾市民到客工館之後\n他們很希望到科工館讓孩子來接受相關的科普的教育而且對於相關的這個休閒空間他們有很大的一個期待改善的這樣的一個進展所以原本這個計畫是30億\n當然我們針對相關各部門的一個初步的協調現在是新版的計畫大概是22億左右那相關的這個時程我們還是要逐一的去落實我認為他是可以分期來做完成剛才部長也初步的說明相關的時程以及改進的這個工程\n我們對於相關的這些他當然還包含高雄市政府所期待的副用館的改建以及相關的設施成功全面的一個提升我認為這個是可以分期來做讓整個工程可以順利的進行請這個部長全力的督促我們現在跟委員報告我們確實是朝那個方向來努力那當然有許多跟\n在地地方政府的地方建設怎麼樣去橋接有的那一些所謂的這個我們再來進行相關的協調謝謝鄭部長那最後時間我請教一下李部長高雄火車站舊火車站是1941年就完工啟用那當然經過鐵路地下化工程他先移到旁邊現在又移回到火車站的一個正門\n但是它相關的這個修復的工程經費非常的龐大現在所有工程都做好了就只有這個舊火車站修復的工程初步的預算大概是要一億六千萬左右當然我們是希望文部大概按照過去大概能夠補助九千萬至六千萬那其實大概過去都補助四成左右那我們這個部分請部長簡單說明一下好 謝謝委員那個高雄的\n就我這段經過了20年的好 謝謝壽星李昆哲委員的質詢 謝謝卓院長跟各部會首長 謝謝\n接下来我们请林思明委员咨询\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.997 --> 00:23.752\n院長好院長今天昆哲委員生日我們還是要祝哲瀾生日我們在這裡掌聲祝福李昆哲委員生日生日快樂雖然我沒有再過生日但是也謝謝兩位院長不好意思卓院長提醒我應該是我主動對不起合作無間請執行對不起卓院長好\n\n00:25.916 --> 00:44.433\n勞保是國家最重要的社會保險今年的二月底全國已經有超過1045萬人投勞保勞保對於勞工是最重要最基本的一個保障\n\n00:45.054 --> 00:54.097\n那2025年勞保的財務精算報告也提出說因為政府連續6年的撥補總共撥補的金額是3870億所以讓這個勞保的財務出現負值的這樣一個狀況要到2031年才會出現那政府的撥補從2020年開始從200億2021年220億那2022年\n\n01:16.725 --> 01:29.134\n300億持續的撥補到2024、2025都是撥補1200億也謝謝卓院長在支持勞工的這樣一個基本保障也出了相當大的一個心力\n\n01:30.117 --> 01:49.097\n那現在我們的這個勞保的財務狀況勞保的財務報告他也明確的指出勞保的撥補必須要持續而且要加大力道來撥補因為他會讓民眾對於勞保更具有信心\n\n01:49.758 --> 02:18.191\n第二也減少勞工朋友退休的時候要一次領的這種狀況而且對於勞保的財務安全以及國家要落實這樣的一個責任是幫助非常大我要請教院長我們對於勞保的這樣一個撥補當然現在我們受到有兩個狀況我們必須要去面對就是再也非理性的刪除預算我們的預算被刪除了兩千億\n\n02:19.025 --> 02:42.310\n被凍結了一千三百億以上而且財政收支發分法也要撥出去三千七百五十三億當然啦我們這一次的勞保撥補並沒有在刪除預算之列但是這種非理性的刪除預算會讓我們擔憂第二個就是財化法三千七百五十三億出去之後各部會能夠\n\n02:44.056 --> 03:02.718\n他們的相關的這種預算的能量至少都要減少三成以上28%到37%這對於撥補會不會有影響我要請教院長有兩個問題第一個會不會持續撥補第二個如果有撥補的話院長的初步的具體想法是什麼來請說明\n\n03:04.339 --> 03:27.096\n好謝謝委員連續六年對勞保的撥補再加上疫後特別預算的300億一共是3870億那麼勞保是政府舉辦的社會保險政府負最終的責任而且是穩定社會跟穩定勞保財務的必要措施所以我們一樣會在未來的年度裡面是需要來進行撥補那這一次我們提出的\n\n03:28.416 --> 03:53.590\n因應國際情勢的這個強化安全任性的特別條例其中也對勞保的撥補有排列了100億元我相信朝野各黨團對這個100億元也會跟其他的這個整個特別條例的預算一樣會來同意的支持因為這個也是穩定現在國內勞工朋友國內穩定勞工勞保的支出勞保的財務健全我認為這個是現在我們遇到的我們會繼續的撥補我更具體來請教院長\n\n03:56.471 --> 04:16.439\n就是說2024、2025我們編了1200億那現在我們知道這樣的一個預算被凍結被刪除或是財化法新版的通過之後對中央政府的這樣的一個預算的能量降低了大約三成左右那如果是1200億的話會不會減少到800億元以下的這樣一個撥款的補助會不會呢\n\n04:23.477 --> 04:39.620\n這個是有可能的因為整個財政收支發放法將中央拿出了三千多億之後我們的財政能力當然是降低的所以我們現在在尋求能不能用更合理的方式在憲政的基礎底下恢復或是維持中央的財政能力\n\n04:40.501 --> 05:07.077\n必須持續的撥補而且這是國家最終致富責任這是我們對勞工最基本的一個承諾謝謝院長全力的支持第二個是有關於謝謝院長我們在凱米颱風跟山陀爾颱風造成高雄南部地區嚴重的這樣一個衝擊當然院長也到典寶溪也到廷政國小也到寶越理智宏池多次的勘栽而且提供了46億\n\n05:09.158 --> 05:35.223\n讓高雄市能夠去改善相關的排水相關的雨水地下道的系統功能的提升或者是相關災後重建的這些防水水利的工程謝謝院長在第一時間讓高雄的防災的防汛的能量能夠韌性的加強那現在要請教院長就是說我們在過去每年的水閘門的補助大概\n\n05:36.095 --> 05:48.085\n是預估大概都1000戶至1500戶左右但是因為去年的風災造成民眾對於防災意識的提升也對於這種\n\n05:50.666 --> 06:09.598\n極端氣候瞬間暴雨的這種衝擊也擔憂所以今年從往年的一千戶一千五百戶的這樣一個預估今年已經有申請的已經超過四千三百九十五戶所以原本的預算大概要一億現在暴升到大概要三億\n\n06:10.678 --> 06:21.772\n當然院長也非常的關心相關的不管是經濟部或內政部都有做初步的討論我們也請院長來關心來了解相關的進度跟狀況\n\n06:22.964 --> 06:41.677\n好的我對於歷次水災受災的各個縣市的國人同胞我們都感到非常的不捨那也謝謝崑澤委員長期以來對高雄的受災的民眾持續的關懷尤其針對這個水閘門的補助一直強而有力的要求行政院跟各部會來做相關的補助\n\n06:42.062 --> 07:01.050\n那現在這個經費算起來有3億左右3億多一點點那各部會現在還在核算還在進行它相關這個法定的程序當中我們認為應該再經過一段時間大家再做合理的溝通繼續努力讓它能夠實現謝謝院長先請院長回座位因為接下來我要問\n\n07:02.851 --> 07:15.436\n鄭部長還有李部長相關比較具體的政策的細節請院長回座麻煩請教育部長備詢謝謝委員還有請教育部還有文化部麻煩請文化部長備詢請卓院長返回老師慢慢走沒關係\n\n07:27.608 --> 07:47.117\n曾應耀部長是我練中山大學時候的社科院的院長也是我們的校長在這邊我還是要說一句老師好曾部長我先請教有關你科工館柏中你也是來自高雄所以你對科工館有深刻的感情跟印象因為啊\n\n07:48.601 --> 08:11.263\n我特別要謝謝教育部還有行政院謝謝卓院長我們在今年把科工館相關的改建納入教育部的三大新興計畫之一那謝謝行政院認為他們支持這個計畫主要是認為這個計畫能夠提升南部地區科普力量的一個能量的提升\n\n08:11.863 --> 08:35.902\n第二也有助於橫貧南北區域的一個平衡但是這個總經費是高達30億跟部長也多所討論當然我們知道現在國安會他有不同的意見他認為這個也包含衛福部教育部內政部高雄市政府有很多的議題必須提供更具體的這些補充的說明\n\n08:36.702 --> 08:55.797\n而且這些在今年來看要納入工建計畫的這個時程也沒有辦法了那高雄的鄉親啊南部地區的民眾都非常關心科工館軟硬體改善的這樣的一個進度還有整體綠美化的一個提升因為\n\n08:57.608 --> 09:13.623\n部長也非常清楚他的裡面都是水泥地啦那當然在客工館周遭最近都已經變化非常的大我們這個南館的部分鐵路地下化綠岩道也做好了然後民族\n\n09:14.404 --> 09:36.228\n民主路橋機車道也拆除另外一邊的大順路橋也都拆除了而且在大順路的輕軌現在也已經通車那整體他的環境整個提升對於未來我們的學童我們的市民到科工館不管是科普教育或是相關的\n\n09:36.648 --> 10:05.222\n一個熱靈的一個大家能夠老老少少到那邊休閒活動學習成長一個重要的空間那現在如果沒有納入這個公建的計畫裡面我認為部長應該提出更具體的說明當然國安會也希望我們的部的預算還有科工館的這種基金能夠來支付以及相關高雄市政府的自籌比例也必須要提升\n\n10:07.523 --> 10:32.291\n這個計畫請部長來簡單說明一下謝謝委員關心確實科工館它是一個大高雄地區一個非常重要的一個科普的場域然後在人才培育或者在地區上的一些許多的提供樂齡的許多的這些遊戲休憩的一個空間它確實有非常大的一個效益那邊也因為財化法的一個關係啊所以我們在內部現在因為\n\n10:33.429 --> 10:47.898\n國化會既然他希望能夠地方有一個承擔更大的一個責任在整體的一個規劃裡面也跟我們報告我們內部已經有討論請這個事實上當時的規劃就是教育部先給的一個規劃會但是我們現在希望\n\n10:48.598 --> 11:18.054\n從不來把這樣一個改善有急迫性的、必要性的、利息性的一些因為科工館確實也29年了所以它裡邊的許多的長設的場館確實是比較老舊包含我們現在在談的AI智慧的程式這些的一些這個長設的展覽這個展區我們都希望從空間上做許多的改造包含許多的策展、布展上能夠真正的帶動一些新興科技\n\n11:18.494 --> 11:31.951\n能夠讓這個科工館能夠扮演更好的一些社會教育在人才培育包括許多科普的一些這樣的一個學習場域所以我們目前大概也跟這個科工館的這個李館長提\n\n11:35.535 --> 11:54.814\n我們希望在這樣一個重點事實上這兩天我們也跟館長有非常密切的一個討論那初步裡邊我們大概有一個四個重點計畫就是科工館的南館的一個活化計畫委員剛才也特別提到的北館的基礎建設因為許多的邊界\n\n11:55.935 --> 12:17.871\n變電站許多的一些管路都老舊那這些怎麼樣去重新把它做一個更安全的一個的一個更新然後智慧城市的一個長色展示廳以及別館公共空間的許多的東西跟這個優化這些市民朋友來參觀的許多的這些動線我想我們都我事實上在\n\n12:18.671 --> 12:40.460\n這一個今年也特別去看了一個整個科工館的一些裡邊的償還現在的現況確實跟30年前來比它確實已經有許多不符時宜包含委外的那個倡議我都希望他們重新打掉然後真正用一個更有開創性然後更有這個符合現代感的這樣的一個科工館能夠來重新來服務我們社會大眾\n\n12:46.623 --> 12:59.472\n謝謝謝謝部長因為我們現在知道科工館他現在交通越來越便利鐵路地下化之後高鐵的車站就在旁邊嘛高雄的火車站就在旁邊然後民族路\n\n13:01.134 --> 13:20.491\n黃線的捷運現在也在啟動也在動工大順路的輕軌也已經通車然後南館的鐵路地下化也已經順利完工相關的綠園道也做好那邊還有一個通勤車站民足站交通越來越便利所以現在假日很多的民眾市民到客工館之後\n\n13:23.053 --> 13:37.678\n他們很希望到科工館讓孩子來接受相關的科普的教育而且對於相關的這個休閒空間他們有很大的一個期待改善的這樣的一個進展所以原本這個計畫是30億\n\n13:39.438 --> 14:01.315\n當然我們針對相關各部門的一個初步的協調現在是新版的計畫大概是22億左右那相關的這個時程我們還是要逐一的去落實我認為他是可以分期來做完成剛才部長也初步的說明相關的時程以及改進的這個工程\n\n14:02.605 --> 14:27.584\n我們對於相關的這些他當然還包含高雄市政府所期待的副用館的改建以及相關的設施成功全面的一個提升我認為這個是可以分期來做讓整個工程可以順利的進行請這個部長全力的督促我們現在跟委員報告我們確實是朝那個方向來努力那當然有許多跟\n\n14:28.109 --> 14:51.522\n在地地方政府的地方建設怎麼樣去橋接有的那一些所謂的這個我們再來進行相關的協調謝謝鄭部長那最後時間我請教一下李部長高雄火車站舊火車站是1941年就完工啟用那當然經過鐵路地下化工程他先移到旁邊現在又移回到火車站的一個正門\n\n14:52.222 --> 15:20.265\n但是它相關的這個修復的工程經費非常的龐大現在所有工程都做好了就只有這個舊火車站修復的工程初步的預算大概是要一億六千萬左右當然我們是希望文部大概按照過去大概能夠補助九千萬至六千萬那其實大概過去都補助四成左右那我們這個部分請部長簡單說明一下好謝謝委員那個高雄的\n\n15:20.985 --> 15:47.536\n就我這段經過了20年的好謝謝壽星李昆哲委員的質詢謝謝卓院長跟各部會首長謝謝\n\n15:51.431 --> 15:54.004\n接下来我们请林思明委员咨询\n\n","segments":[{"start":6.997,"end":23.752,"text":"院長好院長今天昆哲委員生日我們還是要祝哲瀾生日我們在這裡掌聲祝福李昆哲委員生日生日快樂雖然我沒有再過生日但是也謝謝兩位院長不好意思 卓院長提醒我應該是我主動 對不起合作無間請執行 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謝謝委員連續六年對勞保的撥補再加上疫後特別預算的300億一共是3870億那麼勞保是政府舉辦的社會保險政府負最終的責任而且是穩定社會跟穩定勞保財務的必要措施所以我們一樣會在未來的年度裡面是需要來進行撥補那這一次我們提出的"},{"start":208.416,"end":233.59,"text":"因應國際情勢的這個強化安全任性的特別條例其中也對勞保的撥補有排列了100億元我相信朝野各黨團對這個100億元也會跟其他的這個整個特別條例的預算一樣會來同意的支持因為這個也是穩定現在國內勞工朋友國內穩定勞工勞保的支出勞保的財務健全我認為這個是現在我們遇到的我們會繼續的撥補我更具體來請教院長"},{"start":236.471,"end":256.439,"text":"就是說2024、2025我們編了1200億那現在我們知道這樣的一個預算被凍結被刪除或是財化法新版的通過之後對中央政府的這樣的一個預算的能量降低了大約三成左右那如果是1200億的話會不會減少到800億元以下的這樣一個撥款的補助會不會呢"},{"start":263.477,"end":279.62,"text":"這個是有可能的因為整個財政收支發放法將中央拿出了三千多億之後我們的財政能力當然是降低的所以我們現在在尋求能不能用更合理的方式在憲政的基礎底下恢復或是維持中央的財政能力"},{"start":280.501,"end":307.077,"text":"必須持續的撥補而且這是國家最終致富責任這是我們對勞工最基本的一個承諾謝謝院長全力的支持第二個是有關於謝謝院長我們在凱米颱風跟山陀爾颱風造成高雄南部地區嚴重的這樣一個衝擊當然院長也到典寶溪也到廷政國小也到寶越理智宏池多次的勘栽而且提供了46億"},{"start":309.158,"end":335.223,"text":"讓高雄市能夠去改善相關的排水相關的雨水地下道的系統功能的提升或者是相關災後重建的這些防水水利的工程謝謝院長在第一時間讓高雄的防災的防汛的能量能夠韌性的加強那現在要請教院長就是說我們在過去每年的水閘門的補助大概"},{"start":336.095,"end":348.085,"text":"是預估大概都1000戶至1500戶左右但是因為去年的風災造成民眾對於防災意識的提升也對於這種"},{"start":350.666,"end":369.598,"text":"極端氣候瞬間暴雨的這種衝擊也擔憂所以今年從往年的一千戶一千五百戶的這樣一個預估今年已經有申請的已經超過四千三百九十五戶所以原本的預算大概要一億現在暴升到大概要三億"},{"start":370.678,"end":381.772,"text":"當然院長也非常的關心相關的不管是經濟部或內政部都有做初步的討論我們也請院長來關心來了解相關的進度跟狀況"},{"start":382.964,"end":401.677,"text":"好的 我對於歷次水災受災的各個縣市的國人同胞我們都感到非常的不捨那也謝謝崑澤委員長期以來對高雄的受災的民眾持續的關懷尤其針對這個水閘門的補助一直強而有力的要求行政院跟各部會來做相關的補助"},{"start":402.062,"end":421.05,"text":"那現在這個經費算起來有3億左右3億多一點點那各部會現在還在核算還在進行它相關這個法定的程序當中我們認為應該再經過一段時間大家再做合理的溝通繼續努力讓它能夠實現謝謝院長先請院長回座位因為接下來我要問"},{"start":422.851,"end":435.436,"text":"鄭部長還有李部長相關比較具體的政策的細節請院長回座麻煩請教育部長備詢謝謝委員還有請教育部還有文化部麻煩請文化部長備詢請卓院長返回老師慢慢走沒關係"},{"start":447.608,"end":467.117,"text":"曾應耀部長是我練中山大學時候的社科院的院長也是我們的校長在這邊我還是要說一句老師好曾部長我先請教有關你科工館柏中你也是來自高雄所以你對科工館有深刻的感情跟印象因為啊"},{"start":468.601,"end":491.263,"text":"我特別要謝謝教育部還有行政院謝謝卓院長我們在今年把科工館相關的改建納入教育部的三大新興計畫之一那謝謝行政院認為他們支持這個計畫主要是認為這個計畫能夠提升南部地區科普力量的一個能量的提升"},{"start":491.863,"end":515.902,"text":"第二也有助於橫貧南北區域的一個平衡但是這個總經費是高達30億跟部長也多所討論當然我們知道現在國安會他有不同的意見他認為這個也包含衛福部教育部內政部高雄市政府有很多的議題必須提供更具體的這些補充的說明"},{"start":516.702,"end":535.797,"text":"而且這些在今年來看要納入工建計畫的這個時程也沒有辦法了那高雄的鄉親啊南部地區的民眾都非常關心科工館軟硬體改善的這樣的一個進度還有整體綠美化的一個提升因為"},{"start":537.608,"end":553.623,"text":"部長也非常清楚他的裡面都是水泥地啦那當然在客工館周遭最近都已經變化非常的大我們這個南館的部分鐵路地下化綠岩道也做好了然後民族"},{"start":554.404,"end":576.228,"text":"民主路橋機車道也拆除另外一邊的大順路橋也都拆除了而且在大順路的輕軌現在也已經通車那整體他的環境整個提升對於未來我們的學童我們的市民到科工館不管是科普教育或是相關的"},{"start":576.648,"end":605.222,"text":"一個熱靈的一個大家能夠老老少少到那邊休閒活動學習成長一個重要的空間那現在如果沒有納入這個公建的計畫裡面我認為部長應該提出更具體的說明當然國安會也希望我們的部的預算還有科工館的這種基金能夠來支付以及相關高雄市政府的自籌比例也必須要提升"},{"start":607.523,"end":632.291,"text":"這個計畫 請部長來簡單說明一下謝謝委員關心 確實科工館它是一個大高雄地區一個非常重要的一個科普的場域然後在人才培育或者在地區上的一些許多的提供樂齡的 許多的這些遊戲 休憩的一個空間它確實有非常大的一個效益那邊也因為財化法的一個關係啊所以我們在內部 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謝謝"},{"start":951.431,"end":954.004,"text":"接下来我们请林思明委员咨询"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":139,"blocks":[["李委員昆澤：（14時52分）謝謝主席，請一下卓榮泰院長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。"],["李委員昆澤：院長好。"],["卓院長榮泰：院長，今天昆澤委員生日，我們還是要祝……"],["主席：我們在這裡掌聲祝福李昆澤委員生日，生日快樂！"],["李委員昆澤：謝謝、謝謝，雖然我沒有在過生日，但是也謝謝兩位院長。"],["主席：不好意思，卓院長提醒我，應該是我主動，對不起……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們合作無間。"],["主席：請質詢，對不起、對不起。"],["李委員昆澤：卓院長好。勞工保險──勞保是國家最重要的社會保險，今年2月底全國已經有超過1,045萬人投勞保，勞保對於勞工老了之後是一個最重要也最基本的保障。2025年勞保的財務精算報告也提出，因為政府連續6年撥補，總共撥補的金額是3,870億，所以讓勞保的財務出現負值的狀況要到2031年才會出現。政府的撥補從2020年的200億開始，2021年220億、2022年300億，持續撥補到2024年、2025年都是1,200億，也謝謝卓院長對於支持勞工這樣的基本保障也出了相當大的心力。現在勞保的財務報告也明確指出，勞保的撥補必須要持續，而且要加大力道來撥補，因為它會讓民眾對於勞保更具有信心。第二，也減少勞工朋友退休的時候要一次領的這種狀況，而且對於勞保的財務安全以及國家要落實這樣的責任幫助非常大。","我要請教院長，對於勞保這樣的撥補，當然現在我們有兩個狀況必須要去面對，就是在野非理性的刪除預算，我們的預算被刪除了2,000億，被凍結了1,300億以上，而且財政收支劃分法也要撥出去3,753億，當然這一次的勞保撥補並沒有在刪除預算之列，但是這種非理性的刪除預算會讓我們擔憂。第二個就是按財劃法3,753億撥出去之後，各部會相關的預算能量至少都要減少三成以上，從28%到37%，這對於撥補會不會有影響？我要請教院長兩個問題，第一個是會不會持續撥補？第二個是如果有撥補的話，院長初步的具體想法是什麼？請說明。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。連續六年對勞保的撥補，再加上疫後特別預算的300億，一共是3,870億，勞保是政府舉辦的社會保險，政府負最終的責任，而且是穩定社會及穩定勞保財務的必要措施，所以我們一樣會在未來的年度裡面視需要進行撥補。這一次我們提出因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及國土安全韌性特別條例，其中也對勞保的撥補編列了100億元，我相信朝野各黨團對這100億元，也會跟其他特別條例的預算一樣予以同意與支持，因為這個也是為了穩定現在國內勞工朋友、勞保的支出及勞保的財務健全，我認為這是現在我們遇到的狀況，我們會繼續的撥補。"],["李委員昆澤：我更具體來請教院長，2024年及2025年編了1,200億，我們知道現在這樣的預算被凍結、被刪除，或是新版財劃法通過之後，中央政府的預算能量降低了大約三成左右，如果是1,200億的話，撥款補助會不會減少到800億以下？會不會呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個是有可能的，因為整個財政收支劃分法將中央拿出了三千多億之後，我們的財政能力當然是降低的，所以我們現在在尋求能不能用更合理的方式，在憲政的基礎底下恢復或是維持中央的財政能力。"],["李委員昆澤：謝謝院長。必須持續的撥補，而且這是國家最終支付責任，這是我們對勞工最基本的承諾，謝謝院長全力的支持。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們一定會做到。"],["李委員昆澤：第二個是有關凱米颱風跟山陀兒颱風造成高雄等南部地區嚴重的衝擊，在此也要謝謝院長到典寶溪、前鎮國小、保樂里滯洪池多次勘災，而且提供了46億讓高雄市能夠改善相關的排水、相關雨水地下道系統功能的提升，以及災後重建的水力工程，謝謝院長在第一時間讓高雄防災、防汛的能量及韌性能夠加強。現在要請教院長的是，過去每年對於水閘門的補助，預估大概都是1,000戶至1,500戶左右，但因為去年的風災造成民眾防災意識提升，也對於極端氣候瞬間暴雨的衝擊感到擔憂，所以從往年1,000戶至1,500戶的預估，今年有申請的已經超過4,395戶，所以原本的預算大概是1億，現在暴增到大概要3億。當然院長也非常的關心，不管是經濟部或內政部等相關部會都有初步討論，我們也請院長來關心及了解相關的進度及狀況。"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，對於歷次水災受災各縣市的國人同胞，我們都感到非常的不捨，也謝謝昆澤委員長期以來對高雄受災民眾持續的關懷，尤其針對水閘門的補助，一直強而有力的要求行政院及各部會進行相關的補助。現在這個經費算起來有3億左右，大概是3億多一點點，各部會現在還在核算、還在進行相關的法定程序當中，我們認為應該再經過一段時間大家再做合理的溝通，繼續努力，讓它能夠實現。"],["李委員昆澤：謝謝院長，先請院長回座位，因為接下來我要問鄭部長、還有李部長比較具體的相關政策細節，請院長回座位。"],["主席：麻煩請教育部部長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：除了教育部，還有……"],["李委員昆澤：文化部。"],["主席：麻煩請文化部部長備詢，請卓院長返回。"],["李委員昆澤：老師，慢慢走，沒關係。鄭英耀部長是我唸中山大學時的社科院院長，也是我們的校長，在這邊我還是要說一句：老師好。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員好。"],["李委員昆澤：鄭部長，我先請教有關於科工館的問題。部長，你也是來自高雄，所以你對科工館有深刻的感情及印象。我特別要謝謝教育部及行政院、謝謝卓院長，我們在今年把科工館相關的改建納入教育部的三大新興計畫之一，謝謝行政院支持這個計畫，主要是認為這個計畫能夠提升南部地區科普力量的能量；第二，也有助於衡平南北區域的平衡。這個計畫總經費高達30億，跟部長也多所討論，我們知道現在國發會有不同意見，認為包含衛福部、教育部、內政部、高雄市政府，有很多的議題必須提供更具體的補充說明，而且在今年要納入公建計畫的時程也沒有辦法了，高雄的鄉親、南部地區的民眾都非常關心科工館軟硬體改善的進度及整體綠美化的提升。","部長也非常清楚，科工館裡面都是水泥地，當然，它周遭最近都已經變化非常大，南館的部分，鐵路地下化綠園道也做好了；民族路橋機車道也拆除了；另外一邊的大順路橋也都拆除了，而且在大順路的輕軌現在也已經通車。科工館整體環境的提升，有助於未來學童、市民到科工館從事不管是科普教育、相關的樂齡活動，或是作為老老少少到那邊休閒、活動、學習、成長的重要空間，現在如果沒有納入公建的計畫裡面，我認為部長應該提出更具體的說明。當然，國發會也希望貴部的預算及科工館的基金能夠支應，以及高雄市政府的自籌比例也必須提升。這個計畫請部長簡單說明一下。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心。科工館是大高雄地區非常重要的科普場域，在人才培育、為地區提供許多樂齡或遊戲休憩的空間確實有非常大的效益，也因為財劃法的關係，現在國發會既然希望地方能夠承擔更大的責任，在整體的規劃裡面，也跟委員報告，我們內部已經有討論。","事實上當時的規劃就是教育部先給了一筆規劃費，但是我們現在希望逐步改善，把有急迫性的、必要性的、立即性的一些……因為科工館也29年了，所以它裡面許多常設的場館確實比較老舊，包含我們現在在談的AI智慧城市，我們都希望這些常設的展區從空間上做許多的改造，包含許多的策展、布展上能夠真正地帶動新興科技，讓科工館能夠扮演更好的社會教育、人才培育、科普學習場域的角色。","我們目前也跟科工館的李館長提了，我們希望在這樣的重點之下，事實上這兩天我們也跟館長有非常密切的討論，初步大概有4個重點計畫，就是科工館南館的活化計畫；委員剛才也特別提到北館的基礎建設，因為許多的變電站、管路都老舊了，這些怎麼樣重新更安全的更新；然後還有智慧城市的常設展示廳；以及優化北館公共空間的動線及市民朋友參觀的動線。事實上，我在今年也特別去看了科工館整個場館的現況，跟30年相比，確實已經有許多不合時宜的地方，包含委外的場域，我都希望他們重新打掉，然後真正打造一個更有開創性、更符合現代感的科工館，能夠來重新服務社會大眾。"],["李委員昆澤：謝謝部長。我們知道科工館現在交通越來越便利，在鐵路地下化之後，高雄火車站就在旁邊，然後民族路黃線的捷運現在也在動工，大順路的輕軌也已經通車，然後南館的鐵路地下化也已經順利完工，綠園道也做好了，那邊還有一個通勤車站──民族站，整個交通越來越便利，所以現在假日有很多市民到科工館，他們很希望讓孩子來科工館接受科普教育，而且他們對於休閒空間改善的進展也有很大的期待。"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["李委員昆澤：原本這個計畫是30億，經過各相關部門進行初步的協調，現在新版的計畫大概是22億左右，我們還是要逐一落實相關的時程，我認為它可以分期來完成。剛才部長也有初步說明相關的時程以及改進的工程，這當然還包含高雄市政府所期待的婦幼館改建，以及相關設施能夠全面提升，我認為這是可以分期來做，讓整個工程可以順利的進行，請部長全力的督促。"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我們現在確實是朝那個方向來努力，那當然有許多跟地方政府的地方建設怎麼樣去橋接，有那一些所謂的……"],["李委員昆澤：好，這個我們再來進行相關的協調。"],["鄭部長英耀：對，我們也請他們去好好的溝通。"],["李委員昆澤：謝謝鄭部長。","在最後的時間我請教一下李部長，高雄舊火車站是在1941年就完工啟用了。"],["李部長遠：是。"],["李委員昆澤：當然經過鐵路地下化工程，先把它移到旁邊，現在又移回到火車站的正門，但是相關的修復工程經費非常的龐大，現在所有工程都做好了，就只剩這個舊火車站的修復工程。初步的預算大概要1億6,000萬左右，文化部按照過去能夠補助6,000萬至9,000萬，其實過去都是補助四成左右，這個部分請部長簡單說明一下。"],["李部長遠：好，謝謝委員，高雄的舊火車站經過了20年的遷移，這是一個非常重要的建築物，文化部大概可以補助到40%，但是因為我們現在手上有很多案子，我們會盤整手邊所有案子的費用，如果有餘裕的話，我們會優先排進去。"],["李委員昆澤：因為時間的關係，我們再來跟部長討論，謝謝。"],["李部長遠：好，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝壽星李昆澤委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長跟各部會首長。","接下來請林思銘委員質詢，葛如鈞委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","廖偉翔","顏寬恒","李彥秀","陳玉珍","馬文君","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","牛煦庭","黃珊珊","鍾佳濱","吳秉叡","沈發惠","許宇甄","李昆澤","林思銘","葛如鈞","許智傑","林倩綺","蔡其昌","吳沛憶","李坤城","丁學忠","劉書彬"],"page_start":99,"meetingDate":["2025-04-29"],"gazette_id":"1143901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143901_00004","1143901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143901_00004"}}}