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00:03:32,373\n全部的學生全部的12.3萬但是這個5.73億的獎助學金下去大概就是1萬人能夠受惠而且我們看到的12.3萬人當中63.14%的比例是在新南向的國家新南向國家的一個特色是什麼他們收入比我們低\n\n10\n00:03:33,539 --> 00:03:34,460\n這些人他們沒有講數學金,他們怎麼生存呢?\n\n11\n00:03:58,988 --> 00:04:26,703\n跟委員報告部分是來自於我們這個僑委會在產息專班裡面他是有國發會跟業界出資來對近來最高所謂的這一些製造業基本基礎人力這個部分他有一些是有給生活津貼的但是有一些來我們這邊讀大學雖然他是新南向我們各大學去招生但是他事實上是自己副學會\n\n12\n00:04:27,964 --> 00:04:43,915\n就是說雖然我們有許多的班但是並不必然每一個班我們都給他生活費因為我們的半導體科技產業我們事實上是非常強的是一個國際的優勢請問一下半導體的產業的比例是多少的半導體這部分人數的學生比例是多少這個部分我想我會給委員更詳細的一些data但是剛才委員在說我們的經費\n\n13\n00:04:55,183 --> 00:05:00,369\n所支出的並不是每一個都不是完全就對了那沒有問題我們繼續再往下看基本上高中那一個部分大概都是屬於這個產息專班這個是會給錢的那我們繼續往下看\n\n14\n00:05:08,740 --> 00:05:33,447\n生活也許沒問題但是我繼續往下看的是這個資料當中也顯示出他的休退學的比例前幾年的話就是平均有5到8%那如果特別剛才院長有提到的越南跟馬來西亞前幾年都有將近10%的休退的比例那這種情況是不是請院長或是部長院長先回答一下這邊為什麼造成這個情況休退的比例這麼高\n\n15\n00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:59,476\n我想有一些跟委員報告來自於因為當時我們在這個產息專班的時候有一些我們當然希望他進來就有A2的語言能力那有一些進來的時候他並沒有沒有以後學校裡邊希望他學華語可是一年或者一學期以後他沒有辦法達到所以他就大概學校就\n\n16\n00:06:00,316 --> 00:06:26,029\n就是說希望他有改變嘛對,我知道有改變,那我就是尷尬可是現在我們再往下一頁看的是監察院國家人權委員會針對這部分就提出來了教育部當中的一個報告對他說呢因為在初期的時候境外招生宣傳透明部不足資格包括的是還有語言等等的審核把關不足財力也是有問題的這部分我想教育部的回覆你這個之後要給回應囉\n\n17\n00:06:27,865 --> 00:06:48,385\n跟委員報告,確實我應該這麼講,我雖然520還沒有上來之前,我們也看到了一些來自於民間結合一些可能我們不希望的一些特定的人力的一個這個仲介的一個公司裡面進來有一些學校,所以我們在這個部分也跟委員報告,我在\n\n18\n00:06:49,626 --> 00:07:09,758\n在上個月已經把所有的技高有參加這個產系專班了所有的校長都來啦我們也事實上在這兩個月不僅是技高包含技專校園全部都在不定期的檢查但是這部分希望你到時候跟監察院或人權委員會都要做好好的報告\n\n19\n00:07:11,359 --> 00:07:36,686\n我們現在也就希望說確保這些來自於國外的以東南亞的這些青年來到台灣接受教育有一個好的教育我知道你有在改變但是我希望繼續還有一些問題要呈現來我現在進入到育才階段了因為在國際生的招生政策推廣當中有個很炸的一個title是說打造台灣品牌的國際教育請教院長院長\n\n20\n00:07:38,286 --> 00:08:03,280\n以新南向專班為例要打造什麼樣的台灣品牌國際教育它的形象是什麼請院長回答台灣的我們的環境包括我們的生產環境社會環境應該由我們長處之所在比方說我們可以訓練更多的高科技人才更多的往產業方向去發展這也是台灣的一個精神\n\n21\n00:08:04,185 --> 00:08:29,190\n對可是我剛才問的是新南向你這邊講到高科技新南向部分可能就少少並不是這個意思那如果是學生的部分的話特別想到說在學校的部分他當學生或是當上課的時候還有實習工廠這些部分他應該的時數的比例應該是多少請院長您回答您覺得在一個這種新南向專班你覺得合理的上課的時數跟實習的比例應該是多少\n\n22\n00:08:30,697 --> 00:08:46,173\n他的他實習的時間是受到限制的這個我知道那這個數字我想我再詳細跟你們報告好這部分齁這就是等一下剛才後來教育部當然也有一些相關回應的啊我們繼續往下看齁這邊也是同樣是找國家人權委員會裡面的\n\n23\n00:08:47,994 --> 00:09:06,495\n這個對於今年3月4號對於境外生在台就學及勞動權益案的一個專案報告這邊就提到的是教育部在開設專班的初期是106年開始的時候未能夠建立相關的招生實習及攻讀規範導致亂象百出把學生變成學工或是遭受勞動的這樣一個剝削\n\n24\n00:09:08,417 --> 00:09:19,505\n那我們繼續再往下看的時候後來的確這部分教育部在去年年底的時候有這樣的一個函說出來就是說對外國學生的參與跟校外實習的工讀這邊有一個規範出來就是說最多一個\n\n25\n00:09:24,288 --> 00:09:45,728\n一個星期不得遇40個小時那每天不能超過8個小時這結束時間不能晚於10點可是如果這樣算算看以最多來看是40個小時除以一天8個小時那等於說5天了一週裡面的工作時數或上學時數5天都在這邊來講這樣子能夠保障到學生的受教權益嗎就是在實習的時間會偏長\n\n26\n00:09:51,256 --> 00:10:16,672\n對時期偏長好那這個地方我們看到這個報告是由監察院當初前一個禮拜前一之前去年的今年做出的這個報告正當那請問這個時候自己教育部有沒有做調查報告然後都是透外部的監察院人權委會來做的這樣子的就是做出這樣的一個報告來去提醒行政院要做這個把學生變成學工了\n\n27\n00:10:17,922 --> 00:10:40,828\n這樣是很淒慘的喔但我們如果再往下看這邊部份部長有沒有要回應的如果你沒有我再繼續再往下看喔甚至還有這個情況是在哪裡啊還有出現到人口販賣剝削用佣金等等護照扣留之前影響我國人權生育啊那這邊部份請問院長你如果現在才知道這個情形你有沒有什麼樣的要回應\n\n28\n00:10:44,211 --> 00:10:55,596\n我記得有一些僑外生的工作時數還不能到到這麼長那平均時數是多少我們自己教育部行政院有做報告嗎有做調查嗎\n\n29\n00:10:57,039 --> 00:11:24,536\n他就必須在他的時數的限制範圍內超過那這樣就違反規定但是我院長這個部分可能請教育部之後再做報告這個部分要到本席這邊來做報告但是我說影響我國人權所以院長你聽到這個訊息的時候是人權委員會做的報告你有什麼樣的想法就是我們對於這些僑外生來到國內我們必須從他的生活照顧以及實習時數上面我們要更符合我們國內的規定才不會違反這些國際人權\n\n30\n00:11:25,826 --> 00:11:43,457\n對很高興聽到院長有這樣子的一個自我的一個醒覺那當然我們希望說這個就會相當的改善尤其是我們在繼續看到育才的問題上面這個同樣的是去年的時候監察院的兩個監委他所做出來的報告是一個外籍生越南的外籍生死在實習工廠\n\n31\n00:11:46,401 --> 00:12:00,110\n這個非常的聳動不只是學生的部分工作實習可能超時還包括勞動權益都受到的影響那如果說不安全能夠吸引到國際生嗎這真的影響是很大的那院長您是第一次聽到這個訊息嗎我依稀記得這個當時勞動部應該有進行相關的勞動檢查\n\n32\n00:12:08,328 --> 00:12:13,111\n國發會則在111年的強化人口及移民政策當中他還指出到了2030年的時候我國僑外生他需要增加20萬人可是就目前我們看到這個數據上面顯示在106到113年\n\n33\n00:12:34,234 --> 00:12:55,077\n時間呢我們看到它是有效聘戶的許可人次喔是人次還不是真的人齁達到的是從三千多人一直到目前不到兩萬人七年時間不到兩萬人可是國發會在一百一十年的時候目標是說二零三零年等於說在六年之後要達到二十萬人請問這目的有目前可能達到嗎以目前現在這個狀況\n\n34\n00:12:56,343 --> 00:13:17,390\n我們還要加強努力包括經濟部所提出的20萬的AI人才的訓練其中有一部分也是從橋外進來的橋外生所以我們認為引進外國的人力對台灣現在產業的需求是必要的所以我們要健全國內的各項的生活環境跟教學環境實習的時數也要受到國內法的規定\n\n35\n00:13:18,771 --> 00:13:28,727\n謝謝這個聽到院長你有這樣的一個感悟然後有這樣的對國內的甚至對僑外生甚至是國際生的這種一個承諾我覺得是非常好的事情所以目標不需要改變還是維持20萬應該可以達到是嗎\n\n36\n00:13:31,354 --> 00:14:00,754\n這是目標但是你剛才有提到說一些政策改善必須要進行了對不對那非常好那我們現在看看比較國內的國際性的日本跟韓國的國際生在比較上面他們在語言的國際化獎學金跟學生簽證跟打工上面還有就業的這個居留證的部分都有一些的對應的這樣的內容可是這黃色部分看起來都是比較優秀的部分在日本跟韓國部分都呈現了有些好的那我想請問一下院長\n\n37\n00:14:01,914 --> 00:14:28,809\n對照一下我們對日韓這一部分比較我們到底有沒有什麼可以學習之處比如說看到上面這個內容如果來到台灣因為台灣有比較好的製造環境我們有很多國際的大廠包括我們自己國家的這個科技大廠這是有吸引力的但是我們在語言方面一方面要他們融入一方面我們國內也要有國際性的語言來支撐這樣互相之間的學習才能夠更快\n\n38\n00:14:29,709 --> 00:14:55,836\n這邊我其實跟大家講的是在就業的部分學生簽證這邊打工時間都比較長就業的部分的居留學的部分也是應該可以放鬆的如果事實上還是要國發會的人才的這樣的一個增補那最後我想要請卓院長要提到就是要請你希望受得你的同意就是說國際上的政策執行中剛才我的質詢當中也提出到在少子化啦重點產業需求跟強化人口還有移民政策的規劃當中其實都不足\n\n39\n00:14:56,821 --> 00:15:23,286\n對吧剛才總院長你其實也呈現了很多需要改善的部分那我是不是也請教育部跟勞動部在一個月之內就國際性改善的這個內容跟他的這個時程向本期做一個口頭報告院長可以承諾嗎部長可以準備嗎可以我想我們事實上現在就這樣做也跟委員報告如果我們這一波所有的技高有參加產息專班跟國際專班的這一個技高這個大專\n\n40\n00:15:26,175 --> 00:15:53,395\n大專校宴參加的時候我們事實上全部會在五點點之前走過一次不定期的查法如果我們一直不好的話我們企業就會讓他退場只要我們幫助到他就是正式完整的一個完整好謝謝劉樹斌委員的質詢謝謝卓院長教育部長備詢謝謝好謝謝\n\n41\n00:15:55,780 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你如果現在才知道這個情形 你有沒有什麼樣的要回應\n644211\t655596\t我記得有一些僑外生的工作時數還不能到到這麼長那平均時數是多少我們自己教育部行政院有做報告嗎 有做調查嗎\n657039\t684536\t他就必須在他的時數的限制範圍內超過那這樣就違反規定但是我院長這個部分可能請教育部之後再做報告這個部分要到本席這邊來做報告但是我說影響我國人權所以院長你聽到這個訊息的時候是人權委員會做的報告你有什麼樣的想法就是我們對於這些僑外生來到國內我們必須從他的生活照顧以及實習時數上面我們要更符合我們國內的規定才不會違反這些國際人權\n685826\t703457\t對 很高興聽到院長有這樣子的一個自我的一個醒覺那當然我們希望說這個就會相當的改善尤其是我們在繼續看到育才的問題上面這個同樣的是去年的時候監察院的兩個監委他所做出來的報告是一個外籍生 越南的外籍生死在實習工廠\n706401\t720110\t這個非常的聳動不只是學生的部分工作實習可能超時還包括勞動權益都受到的影響那如果說不安全能夠吸引到國際生嗎這真的影響是很大的那院長您是第一次聽到這個訊息嗎我依稀記得這個當時勞動部應該有進行相關的勞動檢查\n728328\t733111\t國發會則在111年的強化人口及移民政策當中他還指出到了2030年的時候我國僑外生他需要增加20萬人可是就目前我們看到這個數據上面顯示在106到113年\n754234\t775077\t時間呢 我們看到它是有效聘戶的許可人次喔 是人次還不是真的人齁達到的是從三千多人一直到目前不到兩萬人七年時間不到兩萬人 可是國發會在一百一十年的時候目標是說二零三零年 等於說在六年之後要達到二十萬人請問這目的有目前可能達到嗎以目前現在這個狀況\n776343\t797390\t我們還要加強努力 包括經濟部所提出的20萬的AI人才的訓練其中有一部分也是從橋外進來的橋外生所以我們認為引進外國的人力對台灣現在產業的需求是必要的所以我們要健全國內的各項的生活環境跟教學環境實習的時數也要受到國內法的規定\n798771\t808727\t謝謝 這個聽到院長你有這樣的一個感悟然後有這樣的對國內的甚至對僑外生甚至是國際生的這種一個承諾我覺得是非常好的事情所以目標不需要改變還是維持20萬應該可以達到 是嗎\n811354\t840754\t這是目標 但是你剛才有提到說一些政策改善必須要進行了對不對那非常好 那我們現在看看比較國內的國際性的日本跟韓國的國際生在比較上面他們在語言的國際化獎學金跟學生簽證跟打工上面還有就業的這個居留證的部分都有一些的對應的這樣的內容可是這黃色部分看起來都是比較優秀的部分在日本跟韓國部分都呈現了有些好的那我想請問一下 院長\n841914\t868809\t對照一下我們對日韓這一部分比較我們到底有沒有什麼可以學習之處比如說看到上面這個內容如果來到台灣因為台灣有比較好的製造環境我們有很多國際的大廠包括我們自己國家的這個科技大廠這是有吸引力的但是我們在語言方面一方面要他們融入一方面我們國內也要有國際性的語言來支撐這樣互相之間的學習才能夠更快\n869709\t895836\t這邊我其實跟大家講的是在就業的部分學生簽證這邊打工時間都比較長就業的部分的居留學的部分也是應該可以放鬆的如果事實上還是要國發會的人才的這樣的一個增補那最後我想要請卓院長要提到就是要請你希望受得你的同意就是說國際上的政策執行中剛才我的質詢當中也提出到在少子化啦重點產業需求跟強化人口還有移民政策的規劃當中其實都不足\n896821\t923286\t對吧 剛才總院長你其實也呈現了很多需要改善的部分那我是不是也請教育部跟勞動部在一個月之內就國際性改善的這個內容跟他的這個時程 向本期做一個口頭報告院長可以承諾嗎部長可以準備嗎可以 我想我們事實上現在就這樣做也跟委員報告如果我們這一波所有的技高有參加產息專班跟國際專班的這一個技高這個大專\n926175\t953395\t大專校宴參加的時候我們事實上全部會在五點點之前走過一次不定期的查法如果我們一直不好的話我們企業就會讓他退場只要我們幫助到他就是正式完整的一個完整好 謝謝劉樹斌委員的質詢謝謝卓院長教育部長備詢謝謝好 謝謝\n955780\t958046\t歡迎回我們教育及文化組質詢已詢答完畢\n","txt":"有請卓院長請卓院長備詢劉文豪\n好 總議員長好今天我要質詢的主題是高校的國際生問題因為它是一個跨部會的問題涉及到的是國發會的少子化及在經濟部的產業人才需求還有內政部的強化人口及移民政策的規劃當然它的實現方向呢是涉及到要透過攬財育財跟留財的方式來進行好 那我們繼續往下看在招財的這個部分\n我們看到的是目前招收的國際生呢有兩大個類別第一個類別他是在國家的重點領域的5加2的系所包括的是智慧機械 亞洲矽谷 綠能科技生技醫療 國防跟新農業 循環經濟等等\n重要的是透過新南向的培營計畫還有台灣獎學金來去強化我國的人才脈絡第二個部分是在製造業營造跟農業及長期照顧這四個領域中間的技術人才透過新南向產學合作專班或是新型的專班來進行\n但是這四個領域也跟我們的產業缺工是有看到有相關性的請問院長在這兩大領域人才當中你認為在國際生的招收上哪一個人才是優先的當然國家需要多方位的人才來引入但是如果說這兩邊我們現在製造業甚至在醫療各方面的人才欠缺在數字上是明顯可見的\n所以您認為說是第二類的人才應該是我們優先要去吸收的外籍國際的人才嘛 對不對那您知道 我想要詢問的是說在以去年113年為例的時候國際生的人數跟他們這兩類人才的比例 您知道嗎\n人數可能還要再查一下沒問題我先跟你講個數據等一下後面也呈現資料就是在去年113年當中有12.3萬的國際生到我們台灣來那這個比例我也不清楚等一下當然也許教育部長可以再回講但是我們為了要吸引國際生呢有了這些講術學金講術學金那在這個1到7類當中扣除到第7類就是1到6類當中呢總共花了去年5.73億的\n總共有12.3萬人\n全部的學生全部的12.3萬但是這個5.73億的獎助學金下去大概就是1萬人能夠受惠而且我們看到的12.3萬人當中63.14%的比例是在新南向的國家新南向國家的一個特色是什麼他們收入比我們低\n這些人他們沒有講數學金,他們怎麼生存呢?\n跟委員報告部分是來自於我們這個僑委會在產息專班裡面他是有國發會跟業界出資來對近來最高所謂的這一些製造業基本基礎人力這個部分他有一些是有給生活津貼的但是有一些來我們這邊讀大學雖然他是新南向我們各大學去招生但是他事實上是自己副學會\n就是說雖然我們有許多的班但是並不必然每一個班我們都給他生活費因為我們的半導體科技產業我們事實上是非常強的是一個國際的優勢請問一下半導體的產業的比例是多少的半導體這部分人數的學生比例是多少這個部分我想我會給委員更詳細的一些data但是剛才委員在說我們的經費\n所支出的並不是每一個都不是完全就對了那沒有問題我們繼續再往下看基本上高中那一個部分大概都是屬於這個產息專班這個是會給錢的那我們繼續往下看\n生活也許沒問題但是我繼續往下看的是這個資料當中也顯示出他的休退學的比例前幾年的話就是平均有5到8%那如果特別剛才院長有提到的越南跟馬來西亞前幾年都有將近10%的休退的比例那這種情況是不是請院長或是部長院長先回答一下這邊為什麼造成這個情況休退的比例這麼高\n我想有一些跟委員報告來自於因為當時我們在這個產息專班的時候有一些我們當然希望他進來就有A2的語言能力那有一些進來的時候他並沒有沒有以後學校裡邊希望他學華語可是一年或者一學期以後他沒有辦法達到所以他就大概學校就\n就是說希望他有改變嘛對,我知道有改變,那我就是尷尬可是現在我們再往下一頁看的是監察院國家人權委員會針對這部分就提出來了教育部當中的一個報告對他說呢因為在初期的時候境外招生宣傳透明部不足資格包括的是還有語言等等的審核把關不足財力也是有問題的這部分我想教育部的回覆你這個之後要給回應囉\n跟委員報告,確實我應該這麼講,我雖然520還沒有上來之前,我們也看到了一些來自於民間結合一些可能我們不希望的一些特定的人力的一個這個仲介的一個公司裡面進來有一些學校,所以我們在這個部分也跟委員報告,我在\n在上個月已經把所有的技高有參加這個產系專班了所有的校長都來啦我們也事實上在這兩個月不僅是技高包含技專校園全部都在不定期的檢查但是這部分希望你到時候跟監察院或人權委員會都要做好好的報告\n我們現在也就希望說確保這些來自於國外的以東南亞的這些青年來到台灣接受教育有一個好的教育我知道你有在改變但是我希望繼續還有一些問題要呈現來我現在進入到育才階段了因為在國際生的招生政策推廣當中有個很炸的一個title是說打造台灣品牌的國際教育請教院長院長\n以新南向專班為例 要打造什麼樣的台灣品牌 國際教育它的形象是什麼請院長回答台灣的 我們的環境包括我們的生產環境 社會環境應該由我們長處之所在比方說我們可以訓練更多的高科技人才更多的往產業方向去發展這也是台灣的一個精神\n對 可是我剛才問的是新南向 你這邊講到高科技新南向部分可能就少少 並不是這個意思那如果是學生的部分的話 特別想到說在學校的部分 他當學生或是當上課的時候還有實習 工廠這些部分他應該的時數的比例應該是多少 請院長您回答您覺得在一個這種新南向專班 你覺得合理的上課的時數跟實習的比例應該是多少\n他的他實習的時間是受到限制的這個我知道那這個數字我想我再詳細跟你們報告好這部分齁這就是等一下剛才後來教育部當然也有一些相關回應的啊我們繼續往下看齁這邊也是同樣是找國家人權委員會裡面的\n這個對於今年3月4號對於境外生在台就學及勞動權益案的一個專案報告這邊就提到的是教育部在開設專班的初期是106年開始的時候未能夠建立相關的招生實習及攻讀規範導致亂象百出把學生變成學工或是遭受勞動的這樣一個剝削\n那我們繼續再往下看的時候後來的確這部分教育部在去年年底的時候有這樣的一個函說出來就是說對外國學生的參與跟校外實習的工讀這邊有一個規範出來就是說最多一個\n一個星期不得遇40個小時那每天不能超過8個小時這結束時間不能晚於10點可是如果這樣算算看以最多來看是40個小時除以一天8個小時那等於說5天了一週裡面的工作時數或上學時數5天都在這邊來講這樣子能夠保障到學生的受教權益嗎就是在實習的時間會偏長\n對 時期偏長好 那這個地方我們看到這個報告是由監察院當初前一個禮拜前一之前去年的 今年做出的這個報告正當那 請問這個時候自己教育部有沒有做調查報告然後都是透外部的監察院人權委會來做的這樣子的就是做出這樣的一個報告來去提醒行政院要做這個把學生變成學工了\n這樣是很淒慘的喔 但我們如果再往下看 這邊部份 部長有沒有要回應的如果你沒有 我再繼續再往下看喔 甚至還有這個情況是在哪裡啊還有出現到人口販賣 剝削 用佣金等等護照扣留之前 影響我國人權生育啊那這邊部份 請問院長 你如果現在才知道這個情形 你有沒有什麼樣的要回應\n我記得有一些僑外生的工作時數還不能到到這麼長那平均時數是多少我們自己教育部行政院有做報告嗎 有做調查嗎\n他就必須在他的時數的限制範圍內超過那這樣就違反規定但是我院長這個部分可能請教育部之後再做報告這個部分要到本席這邊來做報告但是我說影響我國人權所以院長你聽到這個訊息的時候是人權委員會做的報告你有什麼樣的想法就是我們對於這些僑外生來到國內我們必須從他的生活照顧以及實習時數上面我們要更符合我們國內的規定才不會違反這些國際人權\n對 很高興聽到院長有這樣子的一個自我的一個醒覺那當然我們希望說這個就會相當的改善尤其是我們在繼續看到育才的問題上面這個同樣的是去年的時候監察院的兩個監委他所做出來的報告是一個外籍生 越南的外籍生死在實習工廠\n這個非常的聳動不只是學生的部分工作實習可能超時還包括勞動權益都受到的影響那如果說不安全能夠吸引到國際生嗎這真的影響是很大的那院長您是第一次聽到這個訊息嗎我依稀記得這個當時勞動部應該有進行相關的勞動檢查\n國發會則在111年的強化人口及移民政策當中他還指出到了2030年的時候我國僑外生他需要增加20萬人可是就目前我們看到這個數據上面顯示在106到113年\n時間呢 我們看到它是有效聘戶的許可人次喔 是人次還不是真的人齁達到的是從三千多人一直到目前不到兩萬人七年時間不到兩萬人 可是國發會在一百一十年的時候目標是說二零三零年 等於說在六年之後要達到二十萬人請問這目的有目前可能達到嗎以目前現在這個狀況\n我們還要加強努力 包括經濟部所提出的20萬的AI人才的訓練其中有一部分也是從橋外進來的橋外生所以我們認為引進外國的人力對台灣現在產業的需求是必要的所以我們要健全國內的各項的生活環境跟教學環境實習的時數也要受到國內法的規定\n謝謝 這個聽到院長你有這樣的一個感悟然後有這樣的對國內的甚至對僑外生甚至是國際生的這種一個承諾我覺得是非常好的事情所以目標不需要改變還是維持20萬應該可以達到 是嗎\n這是目標 但是你剛才有提到說一些政策改善必須要進行了對不對那非常好 那我們現在看看比較國內的國際性的日本跟韓國的國際生在比較上面他們在語言的國際化獎學金跟學生簽證跟打工上面還有就業的這個居留證的部分都有一些的對應的這樣的內容可是這黃色部分看起來都是比較優秀的部分在日本跟韓國部分都呈現了有些好的那我想請問一下 院長\n對照一下我們對日韓這一部分比較我們到底有沒有什麼可以學習之處比如說看到上面這個內容如果來到台灣因為台灣有比較好的製造環境我們有很多國際的大廠包括我們自己國家的這個科技大廠這是有吸引力的但是我們在語言方面一方面要他們融入一方面我們國內也要有國際性的語言來支撐這樣互相之間的學習才能夠更快\n這邊我其實跟大家講的是在就業的部分學生簽證這邊打工時間都比較長就業的部分的居留學的部分也是應該可以放鬆的如果事實上還是要國發會的人才的這樣的一個增補那最後我想要請卓院長要提到就是要請你希望受得你的同意就是說國際上的政策執行中剛才我的質詢當中也提出到在少子化啦重點產業需求跟強化人口還有移民政策的規劃當中其實都不足\n對吧 剛才總院長你其實也呈現了很多需要改善的部分那我是不是也請教育部跟勞動部在一個月之內就國際性改善的這個內容跟他的這個時程 向本期做一個口頭報告院長可以承諾嗎部長可以準備嗎可以 我想我們事實上現在就這樣做也跟委員報告如果我們這一波所有的技高有參加產息專班跟國際專班的這一個技高這個大專\n大專校宴參加的時候我們事實上全部會在五點點之前走過一次不定期的查法如果我們一直不好的話我們企業就會讓他退場只要我們幫助到他就是正式完整的一個完整好 謝謝劉樹斌委員的質詢謝謝卓院長教育部長備詢謝謝好 謝謝\n歡迎回我們教育及文化組質詢已詢答完畢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.314 --> 00:11.955\n有請卓院長請卓院長備詢劉文豪\n\n00:24.161 --> 00:52.587\n好總議員長好今天我要質詢的主題是高校的國際生問題因為它是一個跨部會的問題涉及到的是國發會的少子化及在經濟部的產業人才需求還有內政部的強化人口及移民政策的規劃當然它的實現方向呢是涉及到要透過攬財育財跟留財的方式來進行好那我們繼續往下看在招財的這個部分\n\n00:54.042 --> 01:07.599\n我們看到的是目前招收的國際生呢有兩大個類別第一個類別他是在國家的重點領域的5加2的系所包括的是智慧機械亞洲矽谷綠能科技生技醫療國防跟新農業循環經濟等等\n\n01:09.682 --> 01:30.736\n重要的是透過新南向的培營計畫還有台灣獎學金來去強化我國的人才脈絡第二個部分是在製造業營造跟農業及長期照顧這四個領域中間的技術人才透過新南向產學合作專班或是新型的專班來進行\n\n01:32.349 --> 02:01.716\n但是這四個領域也跟我們的產業缺工是有看到有相關性的請問院長在這兩大領域人才當中你認為在國際生的招收上哪一個人才是優先的當然國家需要多方位的人才來引入但是如果說這兩邊我們現在製造業甚至在醫療各方面的人才欠缺在數字上是明顯可見的\n\n02:02.692 --> 02:18.671\n所以您認為說是第二類的人才應該是我們優先要去吸收的外籍國際的人才嘛對不對那您知道我想要詢問的是說在以去年113年為例的時候國際生的人數跟他們這兩類人才的比例您知道嗎\n\n02:20.200 --> 02:47.128\n人數可能還要再查一下沒問題我先跟你講個數據等一下後面也呈現資料就是在去年113年當中有12.3萬的國際生到我們台灣來那這個比例我也不清楚等一下當然也許教育部長可以再回講但是我們為了要吸引國際生呢有了這些講術學金講術學金那在這個1到7類當中扣除到第7類就是1到6類當中呢總共花了去年5.73億的\n\n02:49.653 --> 02:51.074\n總共有12.3萬人\n\n03:12.491 --> 03:32.373\n全部的學生全部的12.3萬但是這個5.73億的獎助學金下去大概就是1萬人能夠受惠而且我們看到的12.3萬人當中63.14%的比例是在新南向的國家新南向國家的一個特色是什麼他們收入比我們低\n\n03:33.539 --> 03:34.460\n這些人他們沒有講數學金,他們怎麼生存呢?\n\n03:58.988 --> 04:26.703\n跟委員報告部分是來自於我們這個僑委會在產息專班裡面他是有國發會跟業界出資來對近來最高所謂的這一些製造業基本基礎人力這個部分他有一些是有給生活津貼的但是有一些來我們這邊讀大學雖然他是新南向我們各大學去招生但是他事實上是自己副學會\n\n04:27.964 --> 04:43.915\n就是說雖然我們有許多的班但是並不必然每一個班我們都給他生活費因為我們的半導體科技產業我們事實上是非常強的是一個國際的優勢請問一下半導體的產業的比例是多少的半導體這部分人數的學生比例是多少這個部分我想我會給委員更詳細的一些data但是剛才委員在說我們的經費\n\n04:55.183 --> 05:00.369\n所支出的並不是每一個都不是完全就對了那沒有問題我們繼續再往下看基本上高中那一個部分大概都是屬於這個產息專班這個是會給錢的那我們繼續往下看\n\n05:08.740 --> 05:33.447\n生活也許沒問題但是我繼續往下看的是這個資料當中也顯示出他的休退學的比例前幾年的話就是平均有5到8%那如果特別剛才院長有提到的越南跟馬來西亞前幾年都有將近10%的休退的比例那這種情況是不是請院長或是部長院長先回答一下這邊為什麼造成這個情況休退的比例這麼高\n\n05:36.960 --> 05:59.476\n我想有一些跟委員報告來自於因為當時我們在這個產息專班的時候有一些我們當然希望他進來就有A2的語言能力那有一些進來的時候他並沒有沒有以後學校裡邊希望他學華語可是一年或者一學期以後他沒有辦法達到所以他就大概學校就\n\n06:00.316 --> 06:26.029\n就是說希望他有改變嘛對,我知道有改變,那我就是尷尬可是現在我們再往下一頁看的是監察院國家人權委員會針對這部分就提出來了教育部當中的一個報告對他說呢因為在初期的時候境外招生宣傳透明部不足資格包括的是還有語言等等的審核把關不足財力也是有問題的這部分我想教育部的回覆你這個之後要給回應囉\n\n06:27.865 --> 06:48.385\n跟委員報告,確實我應該這麼講,我雖然520還沒有上來之前,我們也看到了一些來自於民間結合一些可能我們不希望的一些特定的人力的一個這個仲介的一個公司裡面進來有一些學校,所以我們在這個部分也跟委員報告,我在\n\n06:49.626 --> 07:09.758\n在上個月已經把所有的技高有參加這個產系專班了所有的校長都來啦我們也事實上在這兩個月不僅是技高包含技專校園全部都在不定期的檢查但是這部分希望你到時候跟監察院或人權委員會都要做好好的報告\n\n07:11.359 --> 07:36.686\n我們現在也就希望說確保這些來自於國外的以東南亞的這些青年來到台灣接受教育有一個好的教育我知道你有在改變但是我希望繼續還有一些問題要呈現來我現在進入到育才階段了因為在國際生的招生政策推廣當中有個很炸的一個title是說打造台灣品牌的國際教育請教院長院長\n\n07:38.286 --> 08:03.280\n以新南向專班為例要打造什麼樣的台灣品牌國際教育它的形象是什麼請院長回答台灣的我們的環境包括我們的生產環境社會環境應該由我們長處之所在比方說我們可以訓練更多的高科技人才更多的往產業方向去發展這也是台灣的一個精神\n\n08:04.185 --> 08:29.190\n對可是我剛才問的是新南向你這邊講到高科技新南向部分可能就少少並不是這個意思那如果是學生的部分的話特別想到說在學校的部分他當學生或是當上課的時候還有實習工廠這些部分他應該的時數的比例應該是多少請院長您回答您覺得在一個這種新南向專班你覺得合理的上課的時數跟實習的比例應該是多少\n\n08:30.697 --> 08:46.173\n他的他實習的時間是受到限制的這個我知道那這個數字我想我再詳細跟你們報告好這部分齁這就是等一下剛才後來教育部當然也有一些相關回應的啊我們繼續往下看齁這邊也是同樣是找國家人權委員會裡面的\n\n08:47.994 --> 09:06.495\n這個對於今年3月4號對於境外生在台就學及勞動權益案的一個專案報告這邊就提到的是教育部在開設專班的初期是106年開始的時候未能夠建立相關的招生實習及攻讀規範導致亂象百出把學生變成學工或是遭受勞動的這樣一個剝削\n\n09:08.417 --> 09:19.505\n那我們繼續再往下看的時候後來的確這部分教育部在去年年底的時候有這樣的一個函說出來就是說對外國學生的參與跟校外實習的工讀這邊有一個規範出來就是說最多一個\n\n09:24.288 --> 09:45.728\n一個星期不得遇40個小時那每天不能超過8個小時這結束時間不能晚於10點可是如果這樣算算看以最多來看是40個小時除以一天8個小時那等於說5天了一週裡面的工作時數或上學時數5天都在這邊來講這樣子能夠保障到學生的受教權益嗎就是在實習的時間會偏長\n\n09:51.256 --> 10:16.672\n對時期偏長好那這個地方我們看到這個報告是由監察院當初前一個禮拜前一之前去年的今年做出的這個報告正當那請問這個時候自己教育部有沒有做調查報告然後都是透外部的監察院人權委會來做的這樣子的就是做出這樣的一個報告來去提醒行政院要做這個把學生變成學工了\n\n10:17.922 --> 10:40.828\n這樣是很淒慘的喔但我們如果再往下看這邊部份部長有沒有要回應的如果你沒有我再繼續再往下看喔甚至還有這個情況是在哪裡啊還有出現到人口販賣剝削用佣金等等護照扣留之前影響我國人權生育啊那這邊部份請問院長你如果現在才知道這個情形你有沒有什麼樣的要回應\n\n10:44.211 --> 10:55.596\n我記得有一些僑外生的工作時數還不能到到這麼長那平均時數是多少我們自己教育部行政院有做報告嗎有做調查嗎\n\n10:57.039 --> 11:24.536\n他就必須在他的時數的限制範圍內超過那這樣就違反規定但是我院長這個部分可能請教育部之後再做報告這個部分要到本席這邊來做報告但是我說影響我國人權所以院長你聽到這個訊息的時候是人權委員會做的報告你有什麼樣的想法就是我們對於這些僑外生來到國內我們必須從他的生活照顧以及實習時數上面我們要更符合我們國內的規定才不會違反這些國際人權\n\n11:25.826 --> 11:43.457\n對很高興聽到院長有這樣子的一個自我的一個醒覺那當然我們希望說這個就會相當的改善尤其是我們在繼續看到育才的問題上面這個同樣的是去年的時候監察院的兩個監委他所做出來的報告是一個外籍生越南的外籍生死在實習工廠\n\n11:46.401 --> 12:00.110\n這個非常的聳動不只是學生的部分工作實習可能超時還包括勞動權益都受到的影響那如果說不安全能夠吸引到國際生嗎這真的影響是很大的那院長您是第一次聽到這個訊息嗎我依稀記得這個當時勞動部應該有進行相關的勞動檢查\n\n12:08.328 --> 12:13.111\n國發會則在111年的強化人口及移民政策當中他還指出到了2030年的時候我國僑外生他需要增加20萬人可是就目前我們看到這個數據上面顯示在106到113年\n\n12:34.234 --> 12:55.077\n時間呢我們看到它是有效聘戶的許可人次喔是人次還不是真的人齁達到的是從三千多人一直到目前不到兩萬人七年時間不到兩萬人可是國發會在一百一十年的時候目標是說二零三零年等於說在六年之後要達到二十萬人請問這目的有目前可能達到嗎以目前現在這個狀況\n\n12:56.343 --> 13:17.390\n我們還要加強努力包括經濟部所提出的20萬的AI人才的訓練其中有一部分也是從橋外進來的橋外生所以我們認為引進外國的人力對台灣現在產業的需求是必要的所以我們要健全國內的各項的生活環境跟教學環境實習的時數也要受到國內法的規定\n\n13:18.771 --> 13:28.727\n謝謝這個聽到院長你有這樣的一個感悟然後有這樣的對國內的甚至對僑外生甚至是國際生的這種一個承諾我覺得是非常好的事情所以目標不需要改變還是維持20萬應該可以達到是嗎\n\n13:31.354 --> 14:00.754\n這是目標但是你剛才有提到說一些政策改善必須要進行了對不對那非常好那我們現在看看比較國內的國際性的日本跟韓國的國際生在比較上面他們在語言的國際化獎學金跟學生簽證跟打工上面還有就業的這個居留證的部分都有一些的對應的這樣的內容可是這黃色部分看起來都是比較優秀的部分在日本跟韓國部分都呈現了有些好的那我想請問一下院長\n\n14:01.914 --> 14:28.809\n對照一下我們對日韓這一部分比較我們到底有沒有什麼可以學習之處比如說看到上面這個內容如果來到台灣因為台灣有比較好的製造環境我們有很多國際的大廠包括我們自己國家的這個科技大廠這是有吸引力的但是我們在語言方面一方面要他們融入一方面我們國內也要有國際性的語言來支撐這樣互相之間的學習才能夠更快\n\n14:29.709 --> 14:55.836\n這邊我其實跟大家講的是在就業的部分學生簽證這邊打工時間都比較長就業的部分的居留學的部分也是應該可以放鬆的如果事實上還是要國發會的人才的這樣的一個增補那最後我想要請卓院長要提到就是要請你希望受得你的同意就是說國際上的政策執行中剛才我的質詢當中也提出到在少子化啦重點產業需求跟強化人口還有移民政策的規劃當中其實都不足\n\n14:56.821 --> 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長英耀：可以，我們事實上現在就這樣做，也跟委員報告，這一波所有有參加產攜專班跟國際專班的技高、大專校院，我們事實上全部都會在5月底之前走過一次，不定期的查訪，如果品質不好的，我們7月就會讓它退場，必要的時候，甚至讓這個學校關門，我們的態度與委員非常的接近。"],["劉委員書彬：好，教育部有這樣的決心是非常好，我們希望未來對於國際生的把關、素質都好好提升，謝謝兩位。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝劉書彬委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、教育部長備詢。","報告院會，教育及文化組之質詢已詢答完畢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長列席答詢。現在作以下決定：下次會議進行交通組之質詢。","報告院會，現在繼續處理復議案兩件，依先後順序處理，請議事人員宣讀第1案。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":195,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","廖偉翔","顏寬恒","李彥秀","陳玉珍","馬文君","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","牛煦庭","黃珊珊","鍾佳濱","吳秉叡","沈發惠","許宇甄","李昆澤","林思銘","葛如鈞","許智傑","林倩綺","蔡其昌","吳沛憶","李坤城","丁學忠","劉書彬"],"page_start":99,"meetingDate":["2025-04-29"],"gazette_id":"1143901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1143901_00004","1143901_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長提出施政方針及施政報告繼續質詢─ 繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1143901_00004"}}}